“ I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can't control themselves, but because that's what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now! ”

“ At what point will they pay the married women to wear robes instead of regular clothes (or has that not been instilled yet)? I see communism written all over these people. Thank God for AMERICA! ”

“ I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can't control themselves, but because that's what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now! ”

“ I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can't control themselves, but because that's what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now! ”

“ I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can't control themselves, but because that's what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now! ”

“ Pay!!!!! Such a secular idea!!!! Real chareidi tzadikim would only use sandpaper

Sandpaper any girl's face that dares to wear makeup.
Just like our friends in Gaza & Teheran do. That works & costs less.
”

“ Buy the way, Wearing a robe in public was long forbiden by very choshivah robonim in both the Litvish and chasidisha sects because of the fact that it clings to the body. So it could be a problem with tznuis.

I can understand where this coming from. The fact is that a lot of tzadikim didn't hold from it. I don't see anything wrong with them trying to keep halacha and manhagim the way it should be.

I personelly feel that writing communism on people that try to be their best in Yidishkeit "shmekd fin Apikorses" from the Fargrebta America Streets"
lets not for get the 3 reasons the yidin where freed from Mitzraim.

Now for those who are worried about them spending money on this. I would assume that its sort of a hachnasas kalah fund and in stead of making the girls feel bad that they are taking money from charity for the chasunah they are geting in a diffrent way. ”

“ Typical fanatic trash. One thing that cults and religious extremists all have in common is iron control over sexuality, especially women's sexuality. These black-hatted sorts are no different. They just mumble their lies and poison in Hebrew instead of Arabic or Latin. ”

“ Yay! We accomplished something, that a girl will look a little (?) less attractive to her choson on the wedding night!! Yay! Allah hu akhbar! ”

“ Buy the way, Wearing a robe in public was long forbiden by very choshivah robonim in both the Litvish and chasidisha sects because of the fact that it clings to the body. So it could be a problem with tznuis.

I can understand where this coming from. The fact is that a lot of tzadikim didn't hold from it. I don't see anything wrong with them trying to keep halacha and manhagim the way it should be.

I personelly feel that writing communism on people that try to be their best in Yidishkeit "shmekd fin Apikorses" from the Fargrebta America Streets"
lets not for get the 3 reasons the yidin where freed from Mitzraim.

Now for those who are worried about them spending money on this. I would assume that its sort of a hachnasas kalah fund and in stead of making the girls feel bad that they are taking money from charity for the chasunah they are geting in a diffrent way. ”

“ Why stop there? Offer another $265 for wearing a ski mask ”

“ Looks like most of the comments don't know that chassidishe schools here teach the girls against makeup on the street. The wedding is public. . In navi it says that one of the reasons of the chorban is because the girls colors their eyes. Rashi says with black and blue. . Check it out. You will find many women dont touch their eyes! ”

“ Whichever deranged rebbe or rebbitzen came up with this rule should be immediately shown the door and never again allowed to come near children. It only serves to reinforce the steretypes of charedim as irrational zealots and encourages the type of behavior we tragically read about this am in another article. They almost beg to be treated in a sub-human way by these actions. They have lost all sense of the beauty and joy of yiddeshkeit. ”

“ There is makeup and then there is makeup.
There is makeup like my mother wore, and then there is makeup which is "professionally" done, and costs hundreds of dollars for the kalla (not to mention the rest of the family).
I think this incentive is toward the ridiculous waste of money that makeup costs. I hope that flowers (which is essentially a goyishe tradition) is next out the window, two thousand (halevai) dollar gowns, entertainers (leitzim be"laaz), all get stopped, and we go back to having decent respectable heimishe weddings.
My mother got married with a 50-couple wedding, Yom-Tov Erlich z"l zy"a music, and a family member (totally not professional - but did the job) as badchen, and a cousin snapping some pictures. And of course, applied by her mother zz"g as best as she could, but good enough. (Her parents did not have money issues, in case you ask). ”

“ Sure - go ahead and make the kallah look unattractive to their new husband that probably only met her once or twice before. How dumb can they get (and all in the name of frumkeit yet)
These idiots have no place in chinuch ”

“ I put on my own make up for my wedding, using Maybeline and Cover Girl brands. I put it on sparingly. No one said I didn't look beautiful. What does a young girl with good skin need gobs of makeup for? I would take the $1000 shekels and put just a tad of makeup on if I were a kalla. ”

“ I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can't control themselves, but because that's what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now! ”

“ There is makeup and then there is makeup.
There is makeup like my mother wore, and then there is makeup which is "professionally" done, and costs hundreds of dollars for the kalla (not to mention the rest of the family).
I think this incentive is toward the ridiculous waste of money that makeup costs. I hope that flowers (which is essentially a goyishe tradition) is next out the window, two thousand (halevai) dollar gowns, entertainers (leitzim be"laaz), all get stopped, and we go back to having decent respectable heimishe weddings.
My mother got married with a 50-couple wedding, Yom-Tov Erlich z"l zy"a music, and a family member (totally not professional - but did the job) as badchen, and a cousin snapping some pictures. And of course, applied by her mother zz"g as best as she could, but good enough. (Her parents did not have money issues, in case you ask). ”

“ I'm confused, from all the comments in general on Chareidy related issues it appears as though the non chreidy community will be zocha to be the first that Moshiach will come to, and that they are the most beloved to Hashem, However the Chareidy community who invest so little sacrifice to Hashem and look ugly with those big beards, and fat make-up-less overdressed woman will be put in hell and all of us with Shaven beards and oversexed wives will be singled out for special treatment by Hashem and Moshach due to their major contribution for Am Yisroel....... Come on get real..... ”

“ Typical fanatic trash. One thing that cults and religious extremists all have in common is iron control over sexuality, especially women's sexuality. These black-hatted sorts are no different. They just mumble their lies and poison in Hebrew instead of Arabic or Latin. ”

“ Seems not in keeping with the Yiddishe approach to women and looks, "ein isha ela l'yofi."

"Ezra decreed for the Jewish nation that peddlers should go from town to town so that jewelry/cosmetics (both are translations of tachshitin) would be available to Bnos Yisrael."
”

“ I am so glad that you know "what Hashem wants". I do not know any Rav who knows "what Hashem wants". Since you are so smart maybe you can tell us what Hashem wants to happen to my health, that way I don't have to waste any time going to doctors, or even better tell me waht Hasem wants to happen to the stock market?

”

“ I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can't control themselves, but because that's what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now! ”

“ I am so glad that you know "what Hashem wants". I do not know any Rav who knows "what Hashem wants". Since you are so smart maybe you can tell us what Hashem wants to happen to my health, that way I don't have to waste any time going to doctors, or even better tell me waht Hasem wants to happen to the stock market?

”

“ I see nothing wrong with a kallah putting on makeup on her most important day of her life..What i see wrong is the American way where we get makeup artists for 1800-2500 dollars and waste it to Fake up those kallahs faces..First they look like clowns with so much Fakeup and a shame of so mush yiddishe $$ put to waste...When you see the kallehs mother walk in to the hall she will throw a quarter for all those erliche ladies collecting tzedukehs for yesoymim or poor kallehs.... ”

“ I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can't control themselves, but because that's what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now! ”

“ Any Avroham Avenu gave Besual Camals and very expensive jewerly....should we resort to that? ”

“ Looks like most of the comments don't know that chassidishe schools here teach the girls against makeup on the street. The wedding is public. . In navi it says that one of the reasons of the chorban is because the girls colors their eyes. Rashi says with black and blue. . Check it out. You will find many women dont touch their eyes! ”

“ why cant these people let both girls and boys (men and woman) live their life and look how they want to look. if your not happy with the way someone is dressed then look away. i dont think there is anything wrong with girls making themselves attractive for boys and wives for their husband and the other way as well. ”

“ I'm confused, from all the comments in general on Chareidy related issues it appears as though the non chreidy community will be zocha to be the first that Moshiach will come to, and that they are the most beloved to Hashem, However the Chareidy community who invest so little sacrifice to Hashem and look ugly with those big beards, and fat make-up-less overdressed woman will be put in hell and all of us with Shaven beards and oversexed wives will be singled out for special treatment by Hashem and Moshach due to their major contribution for Am Yisroel....... Come on get real..... ”

“ They r crazy down the rd from the hall r ppl who haven't eaten a hot meal since shabbos and they R busy with this narishkiet -let her look good ! Let her wear make up every day and all year too and # 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. Above you r all 100% correct ! ”

“ I see nothing wrong with a kallah putting on makeup on her most important day of her life..What i see wrong is the American way where we get makeup artists for 1800-2500 dollars and waste it to Fake up those kallahs faces..First they look like clowns with so much Fakeup and a shame of so mush yiddishe $$ put to waste...When you see the kallehs mother walk in to the hall she will throw a quarter for all those erliche ladies collecting tzedukehs for yesoymim or poor kallehs.... ”

“ I hope you don't attend my simchas if that's the evil that goes through your mind while others celebrate. ”

“ I put on my own make up for my wedding, using Maybeline and Cover Girl brands. I put it on sparingly. No one said I didn't look beautiful. What does a young girl with good skin need gobs of makeup for? I would take the $1000 shekels and put just a tad of makeup on if I were a kalla. ”

“ 1. Every Kallah has a very special inner beauty as the Shechinah rests on her. Why cover it up with makeup?

2. I was told by a Rov that women are forbidden to wear eye makeup - Yeshaya Chapter 3 Posuk 16. It says that eye makeup is an abomination to Hashem and was one of the causes of Golus. I have since been told by one lady it means only eye liner another told me it means only eye shadow.

3. If that is the cause of the golus let us chuck out our makeup!

4. In Sem our Rov used to tell us that every Frum girl has a special Chein why cover it up? The few girls who wore makeup he used to ask what are you trying to cover up? ”

“ Buy the way, Wearing a robe in public was long forbiden by very choshivah robonim in both the Litvish and chasidisha sects because of the fact that it clings to the body. So it could be a problem with tznuis.

I can understand where this coming from. The fact is that a lot of tzadikim didn't hold from it. I don't see anything wrong with them trying to keep halacha and manhagim the way it should be.

I personelly feel that writing communism on people that try to be their best in Yidishkeit "shmekd fin Apikorses" from the Fargrebta America Streets"
lets not for get the 3 reasons the yidin where freed from Mitzraim.

Now for those who are worried about them spending money on this. I would assume that its sort of a hachnasas kalah fund and in stead of making the girls feel bad that they are taking money from charity for the chasunah they are geting in a diffrent way. ”

“ Why was this Rov looking so closely at these young girls' faces? Let him keep his eyes down and only look at his wife. ”

“ I believe in order to get the $1000 shekels, they can't wear any makeup...my opinion: if they offered $10,000 shekels, still not worth it... a kallah should look beautiful...guys: let's all remember the chasunah song that is still played at all--including charedi--weddings: "Kaytzad merakdim....Kallah noeh kachassidah"--the kallah is beautiful as a chassidah (a bird)... ”

“ What is the actual long term goal?
Is this supposed to make the women more tzanua?
To who?
Is this supposed to somehow protect the men?
From who?
From their own wife?
If the husband is accustomed to women who don't put on make-up, will that make him somehow immune from attraction to women?
Is it really a mitzvah to make men lose attraction for women???

This is so mixed up!

In the Torah world in which I was raised, the basic concept was for a man and a woman to get married, and find spiritual, and physical love for each other - largely in private.

The nisoyon of attraction to or jealousy of someone's else's spouse is part of the normal human experience.
The Torah requires that we overcome these feelings in the process of growth.
The process includes (but is not limited to)
Focusing on the positive attributes of your own spouse.
Appreciating the unique inner and outer beauty of your own wife.
Finding the good in your husband, and letting him know that he is special to you.
Maintaining a level of privacy about your own spouse, so as not to flaunt your good fortune.
Developing an ayin tov, to be happy for your friend if you notice the positive attributes in their spouse.

Dismissing and ignoring the attempts of the yetzer hora to make you jealous of someone else's spouse, is a life-long avoda.
Your focus needs to be re-directed to your own life, and how you can make it better.
It takes work by two individuals devoted to each other to build something strong together.

Blaming women (or men) for the reality of the yetzer hora is foolish.
Giving the yetzer hora undue attention actually empowers it.

Aizehu Gibor Hakovesh es Yitzro.
Who ever said it's supposed to be easy? ”

“ "why cant these people let both girls and boys (men and woman) live their life and look how they want to look."

You don't understand. The essence of the hareidi lifestyle is for their leaders to squeeze out and repress every last little bit of life and joy from their followers; By living this dark, painful lifestyle, they somehow believe they will earn a great share of olam haboah. We can only feel sorry for the innocent children who have no choice but to stay in the dark as their parents and teachers insist they must. ”

“ WHH
I am so disappointed in the respondents posting their opinions on this issue. They are filled with such defensiveness, and such catty venomous remarks, that one can only conclude that our respondents here on this forum are threatened by this very Jewish and very Israeli expression of piety. That you ladies, I imagine mostly, and gentleman in Chutz L'aretz fail to understand that this is a personal choice of the Kallah, and that makeup does not equal beauty in any form. It is shallow to assume that every woman desires the made up look. I wore no makeup to my own wedding by choice, nobody paid me anything neither did i need it. Nor did I get my hair done nor did I wear or purchase a sheitel. And 20 years later, i still don't indulge my time to focus on such ridiculous frivolity. I am also American and had the best education and upbringing and material advantages that the USA has to offer. I think if a woman needs to feel attractive she should do what makes her feel comfortable and content, but you should know that excessive focus is most unattractive on everyone. Thick layers of makeup are used injudiciously in many circles in the West and should not be worn as a badge of honor by anyone. Yes it is a chumrah, either way it's a chumrah, and therefore, a personal decision which you should all keep to yourselves. ”

“ Just because you don't believe in this, doesn't make it wrong, crazy or idiotic. Everybody has the right to do what they want. Each person has a right to agree with whomever they please, but belittling the beliefs and views of others is wrong! unless there is something wrong(against the torah perhaps) with what they are implementing then there is no place to put them down. Do i agree with the above article, no. But they are obviously in a different place, and hold different things, so don't just mock what they are doing just because it differs from what your beliefs are. ”

“ I haven't read such a true and profound comment in a long time...
I wish I could meet you and hear more about your torah-true hashkufas... ”

“ 1. Every Kallah has a very special inner beauty as the Shechinah rests on her. Why cover it up with makeup?

2. I was told by a Rov that women are forbidden to wear eye makeup - Yeshaya Chapter 3 Posuk 16. It says that eye makeup is an abomination to Hashem and was one of the causes of Golus. I have since been told by one lady it means only eye liner another told me it means only eye shadow.

3. If that is the cause of the golus let us chuck out our makeup!

4. In Sem our Rov used to tell us that every Frum girl has a special Chein why cover it up? The few girls who wore makeup he used to ask what are you trying to cover up? ”

“ Shulchan Aruch allows make-up for a Kallah even during periods where it might otherwise be prohibited le-halacha....but then again artscroll never made a shulchan aruch for the hassidic sector: hamenukad ve-hamevo-ar ”

“ Just because you don't believe in this, doesn't make it wrong, crazy or idiotic. Everybody has the right to do what they want. Each person has a right to agree with whomever they please, but belittling the beliefs and views of others is wrong! unless there is something wrong(against the torah perhaps) with what they are implementing then there is no place to put them down. Do i agree with the above article, no. But they are obviously in a different place, and hold different things, so don't just mock what they are doing just because it differs from what your beliefs are. ”

“ I believe in order to get the $1000 shekels, they can't wear any makeup...my opinion: if they offered $10,000 shekels, still not worth it... a kallah should look beautiful...guys: let's all remember the chasunah song that is still played at all--including charedi--weddings: "Kaytzad merakdim....Kallah noeh kachassidah"--the kallah is beautiful as a chassidah (a bird)... ”

“ With all the atrosoties against women in that forsaken country...you are going to make 'make-up' the battle you chose to fight for them?? how about the fact they have only met their husbands once? Arranged marriages? Forced to have kids? More physically abused than not...It is just mind boggeling. But it is the make-up causing an outrage.....that makes sence! ”

“ I see nothing wrong according to Halacha and modesty for a bride to apply make-up for one of the most important events in her life not to mention to make her self attractive to her future husband! ”

“ The reason y a woman needs to be attracted to her husband is to have kids....look at the difference in family size b4 u talk ”

“ Every Kallah can chose, as you did, to go under the chupah without adornment. That is their personal choice, but there is nothing particularly pious or even remotely Jewish about it. ”

“ I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can't control themselves, but because that's what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now! ”

“ where exactly in Shulchan Aruch? not mocking just curious and wan't to be able to point out to others.. ”

“ surie Says:Says:
“where exactly in Shulchan Aruch? not mocking just curious and want to be able to point out to others..”
This is indeed one of the basic halachos every man is taught right at the beginning.
The source is: Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deah in Siman Kuf-tzadik-hay, Sif Tes. It is short and clear. Loose translation: With great reluctance, (the Chachomim) were Matir (permitted) cosmetics during her Niddah time only due to reason she should not become "ugly" to her husband. Shelo tisganeh al baaloh (far-ekelt). Look it up or have someone show it to you. Better yet, get ahold of Rabbi Shimon Eider's "Sefer Hilchos Niddah" (volume 2) written in plain English with all sources all along the way. It is not Bubbe Maaseh's but simply the Shulchan Aruch tarnslated into English along with notes from current Poskim etc. Every married couple should own one unless you can't read or speak English. Even if you speak Yiddish but are fkuent in English, you should own this sefer. Check any seforim store (or online at Eichler's.com etc.)
”

“ Why not simply blindfold the chassan and kallah, have a shaliach sign the ketubah on their behalf, and hold the yichud in separate rooms so they cannot peek before the rav is masader kiddushim. This will avoid any risk that the chassan might back out and the last minute and see what the kallah looks like. ”

“ The true toradige way is to wear make up at home and wash off the excess before walking out on the street. Especially if you are a tichel lady living in boro park like me you would have to be downright stupid and naïve to not wear make up and a nice shaitel in your home. ”

“ No one is saying that makeup is assur. There was a problem that girls who were normally not allowed to were makeup in school at all, would suddenly go waaaay overboard at the one chance they were allowed to - their wedding. The school didn't want this happening, so they offered an incentive. They couldn't have said, "You get paid if you only wear a little bit of makeup at your wedding", since I don't think most kallos would appreciate the makeup police surveying their eyeshadow under the chuppah, so instead they made a blanket rule which would hopefully change the standard, so even the girls who do wear makeup would wear less.

I'm not saying this was the right way to solve the problem - I'm just explaining their reasoning, to show that they are not as completely crazy and overboard as people are saying. ”

“ I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can't control themselves, but because that's what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now! ”

“ I'm confused, from all the comments in general on Chareidy related issues it appears as though the non chreidy community will be zocha to be the first that Moshiach will come to, and that they are the most beloved to Hashem, However the Chareidy community who invest so little sacrifice to Hashem and look ugly with those big beards, and fat make-up-less overdressed woman will be put in hell and all of us with Shaven beards and oversexed wives will be singled out for special treatment by Hashem and Moshach due to their major contribution for Am Yisroel....... Come on get real..... ”

“ And the award for the more offensive outrageous comment of all goes to #62.
Who alleges that chareidi girls are subject to
1) arranged marriages after meeting their husband once. After her family has thoroughly checked out the prospective in laws, siblings, and choson without subjective motivation as opposed to the YU guy that trys pick up a girl in a bar because he feel she's physically attractive without knowing anything about her or her family.
2) she is forced to have kids. Once upon a time G-d's blessing of be fruitful and multiply, now a curse because it takes time away from tennis, theatre, travel, and the opera.
3) More physically abused then not. A less scientific, better piece of anti-semitism couldn't have come from Goebbels. All these allegations miss one point. Chareidim get married younger, have more kids, have a lower divorce rate that the Modern orthodox poster who are screaming Taliban because they have no clue what Judaism is about. To chareidi boy that never had a girl friend, doesn't watch TV or movies, and doesn't look at girls, he may not even notice the Kallah isn't wearing make-up, this as opposed to the modern orthodox critic who has been dating since he was twelve, has crowled all over dozens of girls, has seen twenty thousand different women in TV and movies by the time he's eighteen and having been inflkuenced by the goyishe standard what is and what is not beautiful, has decided that he wants ot marry a girl that looks like a super model and performs like a porn star. The problem from a statistical standpoint is that there are only a small number of super model and porn stars to fill the needs of the general population and an even smaller number of "frum" super models and porn stars. So he occupies himself with this search from the time he's 25 to the time he's 40 and he realizes that what he's looking for doesn't exist and he lowers he's goyishe expectations and starts thinking like a Jew and gets engaged. Meanwhile the chareidi Jew who the MO has been ridiculing for the past 20 years, is happily married, has 20 kids, and is preparing for the wedding of his oldest, he will be celebrating the birth of his first granchild, as the MO gets married. The MO on the other hand will likely never see his grandchildren because he follows the current mating habits of the American Goy. So in answer to the above poster, if you think like a Jew, make-up may very well be the main problem. Of course if you think like a Goy getting married at the age stated in the mishnah and shulchan oruch and particpating as a partner with Hashem in the creation of children is terrible thing. ”

“ And the award for the more offensive outrageous comment of all goes to #62.
Who alleges that chareidi girls are subject to
1) arranged marriages after meeting their husband once. After her family has thoroughly checked out the prospective in laws, siblings, and choson without subjective motivation as opposed to the YU guy that trys pick up a girl in a bar because he feel she's physically attractive without knowing anything about her or her family.
2) she is forced to have kids. Once upon a time G-d's blessing of be fruitful and multiply, now a curse because it takes time away from tennis, theatre, travel, and the opera.
3) More physically abused then not. A less scientific, better piece of anti-semitism couldn't have come from Goebbels. All these allegations miss one point. Chareidim get married younger, have more kids, have a lower divorce rate that the Modern orthodox poster who are screaming Taliban because they have no clue what Judaism is about. To chareidi boy that never had a girl friend, doesn't watch TV or movies, and doesn't look at girls, he may not even notice the Kallah isn't wearing make-up, this as opposed to the modern orthodox critic who has been dating since he was twelve, has crowled all over dozens of girls, has seen twenty thousand different women in TV and movies by the time he's eighteen and having been inflkuenced by the goyishe standard what is and what is not beautiful, has decided that he wants ot marry a girl that looks like a super model and performs like a porn star. The problem from a statistical standpoint is that there are only a small number of super model and porn stars to fill the needs of the general population and an even smaller number of "frum" super models and porn stars. So he occupies himself with this search from the time he's 25 to the time he's 40 and he realizes that what he's looking for doesn't exist and he lowers he's goyishe expectations and starts thinking like a Jew and gets engaged. Meanwhile the chareidi Jew who the MO has been ridiculing for the past 20 years, is happily married, has 20 kids, and is preparing for the wedding of his oldest, he will be celebrating the birth of his first granchild, as the MO gets married. The MO on the other hand will likely never see his grandchildren because he follows the current mating habits of the American Goy. So in answer to the above poster, if you think like a Jew, make-up may very well be the main problem. Of course if you think like a Goy getting married at the age stated in the mishnah and shulchan oruch and particpating as a partner with Hashem in the creation of children is terrible thing. ”

“ What does this have to do with subject at hand? Isn’t it enough that we make our girls to cut their hair (which BTW has no source in Halacha), like a slave women captured in battle (parshas Ki Sitzie)? What is this that we are treating out own daughters like a Sotah? Do you think that by making them look unappealing you will save the world from sin??? I have news for you: you are fooling yourself, because emaciated Ethiopian women also get raped even though they look to YOU extremely unattractive. We need balance, and having a Kallah not put on makeup is way over the line. ”

“ surie Says:Says:
“where exactly in Shulchan Aruch? not mocking just curious and want to be able to point out to others..”
This is indeed one of the basic halachos every man is taught right at the beginning.
The source is: Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deah in Siman Kuf-tzadik-hay, Sif Tes. It is short and clear. Loose translation: With great reluctance, (the Chachomim) were Matir (permitted) cosmetics during her Niddah time only due to reason she should not become "ugly" to her husband. Shelo tisganeh al baaloh (far-ekelt). Look it up or have someone show it to you. Better yet, get ahold of Rabbi Shimon Eider's "Sefer Hilchos Niddah" (volume 2) written in plain English with all sources all along the way. It is not Bubbe Maaseh's but simply the Shulchan Aruch tarnslated into English along with notes from current Poskim etc. Every married couple should own one unless you can't read or speak English. Even if you speak Yiddish but are fkuent in English, you should own this sefer. Check any seforim store (or online at Eichler's.com etc.)
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“ Buy the way, Wearing a robe in public was long forbiden by very choshivah robonim in both the Litvish and chasidisha sects because of the fact that it clings to the body. So it could be a problem with tznuis.

I can understand where this coming from. The fact is that a lot of tzadikim didn't hold from it. I don't see anything wrong with them trying to keep halacha and manhagim the way it should be.

I personelly feel that writing communism on people that try to be their best in Yidishkeit "shmekd fin Apikorses" from the Fargrebta America Streets"
lets not for get the 3 reasons the yidin where freed from Mitzraim.

Now for those who are worried about them spending money on this. I would assume that its sort of a hachnasas kalah fund and in stead of making the girls feel bad that they are taking money from charity for the chasunah they are geting in a diffrent way. ”