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Yolish Krauss in an exclusive Interview with VIN News conducted by Rabbi Yair Hoffman
Krauss is described as the “Operations Chief” for the Eida Chareidis. In an interview with the Jerusalem Post recently, Mr. Krauss identified himself as one of the coordinators of the violence in the Hafganot activities. It should be noted that the Eida Chareidis has consistently come out against violence and other activities that are harmful to the Chareidi population. In an interview with Rav Yair Hoffman last week, Eida Chareidis Vice President and Av Bais Din of the Eida Chareids Bais Din, Rav Moshe Sternbuch stated categorically that Yoilish Krauss has no connection whatsoever with the Eida Chareidis.
The interview was conducted in Hebrew, you can watch the Interview below by clicking on the player
English transcript below is edited for length and content.
RABBI YAIR HOFFMAN: What are these items? [pointing to items on a shelf].
YOILISH KRAUSS: They are bullets, tear gas and flash grenades that the police have thrown at us and have denied it. Some have not exploded.
RABBI HOFFMAN: They are live then?
YOILISH: Yes.
RABBI HOFFMAN: You don’t speak English, correct?
YOILISH: Not one word.
RABBI HOFFMAN: First are you a Rabbi? Or Mister?
YOILISH: A simple Jew. I fight with no one (play on words).
RABBI HOFFMAN: Where did you learn?
YOILISH: I learned in Toldot Aharon until 16 – I didn’t have such a desire to learn, I subsequently learned with a partner after that, and then I got involved with the cemetery plots with Atra Kadisha.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Do you work for the Eida Chareidis officially?
YOILISH: No nothing is official. There is no such thing.
RABBI HOFFMAN: It says in the paper today [New York Times] that you work for them officially.
YOILISH: No, the paper wrote that themselves. The Eida Chareidis gave them my number but it is not official. I receive no salary.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Is there someone there that instructs you?
YOILISH: Yes, of course.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Is there someone in the EC that calls you and says Reb Yoel we want you to do such and such?
YOILISH: It depends.. To do things? Yes, they call me to organize things. Each thing has different people.
RABBI HOFFMAN: How about burning the garbage bins?
YOILISH: That each person does himself.
RABBI HOFFMAN: You don’t tell him to do it?
YOILISH: No. I don’t think that that is what is effective. People don’t know what to do, so they burn garbage bins. All over the world they do this.
RABBI HOFFMAN: But from a halachic perspective is it permitted to do it? To burn a garbage bin. This is damaging!
YOILISH: Damaging who?
RABBI HOFFMAN: There is a halacha that a damager who has not yet paid for the damages – it is forbidden for him to be a witness at a Jewish wedding. This is a halacha in the Choshain Mishpat section of Shulchan Aruch – the code of Jewish Law. This is obvious and clear.
YOILISH: The question is to whom he damaged..
RABBI HOFFMAN: It is not an ownerless item!
YOILISH: Yes it is. I claim it should not be done because of the damage to the neighbors suffer from it
RABBI HOFFMAN: That is true too..
YOILISH: but not on account of your reason. They are a bunch of thieves and your reason is not a problem. It is only a problem of disturbing the neighbors.
RABBI HOFFMAN: It belongs to someone does it not?
YOILISH: It is certainly ownerless! I don’t do this. I will remove a garbage bin to block the flow of traffic, but I will not burn it.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Breaking glass or damaging a car. We see this happening in these hafganot. This is certainly damage. It belongs to a private person and they are damaging.
YOILISH: I have not heard that anyone is doing that.
RABBI HOFFMAN: You have not heard or seen this?
YOILISH: Once I heard that it happened two weeks ago by accident and he went to pay him 900 shekels. It was by accident.
RABBI HOFFMAN: By accident?
YOILISH KRAUSS: He threw it at the police and it landed on a private car. In general, I say that you don’t have to throw rocks. This is not the power. Our power is. It happened four weeks ago regarding the mother in Kikar Shabbat. It was that eventful Thursday. There were a few thousand people. The message that was then - that we are more powerful than the police. How? We can absorb blows and strikes. And they just hit. A few thousand came. We stood on the street at 11:00 PM at night. Who does it bother? A few cars.
The police came with water. No one moved. They damaged us in our hats. 800 hats! Each one is 180 to 200 dollars. This is not damage? They came with bicycles. No one moved. Then they escalated. The rocks that they threw happened only after the police beat us. About this no one talks about! They all talk about the broken traffic lights and the burned garbage bins. No one is concerned that a few thousand people went out to protest properly.
RABBI HOFFMAN: True. That is because the media is only concerned with the burned garbage bins and other such things..
YOILISH: It is all the papers. They hate us because we are Chareidim. Many Chareidim also hate us.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Why? Because they see the violence. The whole world sees it – Religious people are just like other protestors. There is no distinction any more!
YOILISH: It is not exactly that way.. Why does a Jew care about the media? It does not concern me at all. I don’t look at their perspective at all.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Let me explain. What if someone works in outreach and wants to bring others to discover their heritage. They want them to experience the beauties of the Sabbath. The unaffiliated Jew now sees these religious Jews screaming at police, calling them Nazis. He thinks,”This is religion? I don’t need this.”
YOILISH: It is the opposite. If he comes to a house for Shabbos and he sees it is not the case. It is the opposite. He doesn’t believe it and he comes to be religious. He realizes more quickly that it’s all false.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Most don’t come and see it. They only see the name-calling, the rock throwing. They see them behave crazy, like animals. So good, you said they paid for the damage. But it is all in the media. Is this not an enormous Chilul Hashem? No?
YOILISH: There is an error here. Chilul Hashem is an invention that they made up in recent years.
RABBI HOFFMAN: “Lo sechalalu es shaim kodshi” – a verse in the Torah itself!
YOILISH: No! This is a halacha. But what is the intent? That a Chiloni will think it is a chilul Hashem? We do not account for him at all!
RABBI HOFFMAN: I think you are in error. I will cite a few passages from the Talmud that demonstrate this. Shimon Ben Shetach. Who was he? He created an enormous sanctification. He returned a donkey he had purchased that had a jewel in it.. Rava too had a debt to pay. He said, If I do not pay on time it is a chilul Hashem..
YOILISH: You are only citing proofs regarding gentiles and regarding religious Jews, but not Chilonim..
RABBI HOFFMAN: There is a Chazon Ish that equates all Jews as one no matter if they are irreligious.. Do you agree with this Chazon Ish?
YOILISH: Not on Shabbos.
RABBI HOFFMAN: If there is a doubt then we are stringent like the Chazon Ish!
YOILISH: No one accepted the Chazon Ish!
RABBI HOFFMAN: They all did.
YOILISH: There is no chiloni that can say that he has not heard of Shabbos..
YOILISH:..The essential argument is in regard to Chilul Hashem.. I say there is no chilul Hashem.. If I walk in payos in a place that they do not have them you would label this a chilul Hashem.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Not true, there you are doing nothing wrong.
YOILISH: What was that which they used to say in Chutz LaAretz? I will be a Jew in the home and a gentile in the street.
YOILISH: I care not at all about what the Chiloni says. I don’t count him from a meter. It is not me. It is written in the Torah.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Oh yeah? Where does it say this in the Torah? That there is a distinction between a Chiloni and a goy?
YOILISH: It is in the laws of Shabbos..
RABBI HOFFMAN: No you are in error. Regarding Aivah it is only for derabbanan laws. You are creating incorrect distinctions.
RABBI HOFFMAN: I do not believe for a second that you would run away from saving another Jew and not be concerned that perhaps the Chazon Ish is correct..
RABBI HOFFMAN: I see how you are responding to me that you are not so certain in your opinions..
YOILISH: Why are you saving him because that is the halacha or because you have compassion?
RABBI HOFFMAN: No. Let me explain. In the laws of Agunah, Rav Yitzchok Elchonon Spector rules that when you rule in these laws it is forbidden to rule in them without compassion. I do not think that there is a distinction between a chiloni and a gentile regarding chilul Hashem. Is this written anywhere?
YOILISH: Clearly.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Where? Which book? We have just shown you that Chilul Hashem exists for goyim and Jews. You have come up with a new revelation that Chilul Hashem does not exist for Chilonim. Where does it say this?
RABBI HOFFMAN: You must bring a proof..
YOILISH: The Chsam Sofer permits wine of a Chiloni Jew. He is therefore different than a gentile.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Yes, but that responsa is a proof against your point. The Chsam Sofer rules that he is like a Jew!
YOILISH: But this is the only thing he is lenient on. Otherwise the Chiloni is worse off.
RABBI HOFFMAN: This is incorrect. You are misreading the Chsam Sofer. Is there any source for your distinction? I have searched numerous books. I have never found such a thing.
YOILISH: I don’t remember where it is.. You say there is no such thing?
RABBI HOFFMAN: Yes. No such thing. But let’s be in touch. If I show you that there is no such thing, will you change the manner in which you perform things?
YOILISH: I have nothing to change. Perhaps it is possible that you are right. But let me ask you, who are the evil doers that King David referred to in the verse “And those who hate you I shall hate..”
RABBI HOFFMAN: Chilul Hashem is when you do something wrong in the eyes of G-d and the world.. When we steal or damage or name call. This is who To call a Jew a Nazi, is a horrific thing. Calling a friend a bad name one ends up in Gehenam..
YOILISH: He is not a friend..
RABBI HOFFMAN: Believe me, anytime there is violence it is seen in the media. You are a family man. You have children?
YOILISH: Yes.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Do you want your children to see you calling others a Nazi? There are people that spit into people’s faces. A female journalist was spat upon. Do you want your children to see such spitting? The ways of the Torah are gentle ways..
YOILISH: But why is “Darchei Noam” only one way? Why does it not bother you that female officers come hold and strike an avreich.? She goes to another one and beats him! Now, we asked the police not to bring female police officers. This is much worse. Now, how come you don’t see this side? This is horrible. Even according to their laws this is illegal! But here no one talks. Spitting on a person - everyone talks.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Just because they do something wrong does not give us an excuse to do something wrong!
YOILISH: I am obligated to do this.
RABBI HOFFMAN: You are obligated??
YOILISH: If she touches Avrechim, if she touches men, of course we have to.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Wait, this was a journalist. And they spat in her face! It was a torrential rain!
YOILISH: Where was this on Bar Ilan?
RABBI HOFFMAN: Yes.
YOILISH: They have already asked me this question, this story. How was she dressed?
RABBI HOFFMAN: Even so!
YOILISH: No, let me explain. What do you mean, “Even so?” She -
RABBI HOFFMAN: Wait, was she not created in the image of G-d? When there is a dead body why is it forbidden to let the body remain unburied? True? Why is it forbidden?
YOILISH: That is true.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Why is it so? Because it is the image of G-d. It makes no difference whether they are religious or irreligious. Why? Because he or she has the image of G-d. Now we are going and we are spitting on her face?? She is the living image of G-d. This is the image of G-d? We are obligated to do this??
YOILISH: If she is the daughter of a king, she must conduct herself in the manner of daughters of kings. To sit at home. To walk with modesty. But if she goes out immodestly like a tramp, what are we to do? We have no choice.
RABBI HOFFMAN: We tell her, “My daughter, this is not how we are to dress.. Come to me for the Sabbath.. Dress like this on the Sabbath. I would love to show you the Sabbath.. “ And in this manner we influence her. But we do not spit on her face!
YOILISH: If she went onto the [Arab controlled] Har HaBayit – she would not have dressed in this manner. I promise you.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Okay. You are correct and this is a problem.
YOILISH: If she arrived there like this - woe is to her! There is no one there claiming that this is a chilul Hashem.
RABBI HOFFMAN: You are correct. But nonetheless, we do not spit on her face.
YOILISH: Certainly we must!
RABBI HOFFMAN: Heaven forbid!
YOILISH: No – this I do not agree with you!
RABBI HOFFMAN: Image of G-d!!
YOILISH: There is no such thing. There is no longer an image of G-d! If she walks like an animal there is no image of G-d!
RABBI HOFFMAN: And if she were a deceased body, she would again revert to the image of G-d? So if she walks in pants she loses her image of G-d, but once she dies she gains it back?
YOILISH: Certainly! If he does not respect himself, we do not have to respect him!
RABBI HOFFMAN: Do you want your children to see that you are spitting on the face of someone that does not dress properly?
YOILISH: No. No. This not.
RABBI HOFFMAN: So if you don’t wish that your children should see this-
YOILISH: What should I do? What should I do in such circumstances?
RABBI HOFFMAN: Yes..
YOILISH: I run home and I grab -
RABBI HOFFMAN: But you must tell them.. You organize all these things. You must tell them that it is forbidden to spit on the face of a human being..
YOILISH: These are small problems.. Why do they dare to come here? It is because of the Chareidi newspapers that constantly belittle us that they dare to come here.. This is the problem..
RABBI HOFFMAN: There is a way to convince people..
YOILISH: There is no way.
RABBI HOFFMAN: Do you know of an individual that is called Meir Schuster? He once asked the greatest sage of the generation a question. What was his question? When his father died, he asked how many days must he sit Shiva. 7 days or 3 days. What kind of question is this? Can you explain it to me?
YOILISH: No..
RABBI HOFFMAN: Why? He is a Rabbi a Torah scholar.. How could he have asked such a question?
YOILISH: Was his father irreligious?
RABBI HOFFMAN: No. He was religious. Why did he ask it? It is a good question. He asked Rav ELyashiv, “Must I sit Shiva for three days Shiva or seven days?” Why did he ask this?
RABBI HOFFMAN: I will answer you. He asked this because each day that he is at the Wailing Wall, he brings people to the Torah way of life. People come to the Kotel, they see him, he speaks to them. He invites them for Shabbos. And each year there are thousands of people he brings to Sabbath observance. The question is obvious..
YOILISH: If they are all returning and doing Teshuva – where are they?
RABBI HOFFMAN: Where are they? Where are they?? They are everywhere. They are in the United States. They are in Newark, New Jersey. They are in Queens, New York. There are thousands. You do not see them, but they are thousands and thousands and thousands. Each year there are tens of thousands that come to religion.
What was his question? He is at the Kotel every day. People come to see the Kotel. He has a place for them on the Sabbath. The question is, if he sits Shiva - everyone that comes to the Kotel will not see him and they will not come to Torah. So what did Rav Elyashiv answer? To sit three days – the biblical requirement. Do not sit the seven – it is pikuach nefesh. This was his answer. Good, I have given you something to think about.
YOILISH: You gave me two things.
RABBI HOFFMAN: It was most pleasant. All the best.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:01 AM yossie Says:
this yoily guy and his cohorts need a real job
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:04 AM Anonymous Says:
he is a jewish chareidi terrorist,probably the first of its kind,how sad....
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:15 AM Barry Says:
I like the way he justifies his acts by comparing himself to radical Muslims on Har Habayis.
Pathetic!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:14 AM Chaim Says:
Maybe we can do a prisoner swap with hezballah, and send this guy to them and they will send back Gilad Shalit!! That way, it will be a win-win situation for everyone in Eretz Yisroel.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:
Yoilish comes across as being a very mixed up individual. He is so engrossed in his fanaticism that he cannot see the harm in his actions.It is so sad that Yiddishkeit has come down to this level We see the harm that fundalisim is having all over the world are people within our mist following suit, He does not deserve that publicity given to him.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:24 AM Tzadik in pelz Says:
An electrfying interview....whatever his salary is...it's not enough....we all must do Teshuva...thank you, thank you, thank you
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:24 AM a reader Says:
it was only a matter of time before people like this started popping up. we have only ourselves (chareidim) to blame. we think we are so holy, but in truth we are no better (or perhaps R"L worse) that the most secular jew. do you really think this man's shmiras shabbos or tefillos, etc., mean anything to hashem??
i know yomin noraim are approaching, but it might as well be tisha b'av. our rish'us is so deeply rooted, we think it is tzidkus!!! i am going to tear kriya on this....
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:23 AM Everyone Says:
YOILISH, CHAZAK V' EMUTZ!!!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:27 AM Loshon Hora Says:
The fact that yoilish dresses ultra & speaks & lives that way, doesn't lable him tzadik & Gadol after all he admits being a yeshiva drop out, & hasn't learned too much. His view is his own & obviously not daas Torah, only those who learn Torah have Daas Torah.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:32 AM anonymous Says:
Yoilish needs a psychiatrist before he creates more damage and hillul hashem
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:37 AM ny7 Says:
I'm very Impressed how Rabbi Hoffman puts this man in his place so to speak
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:37 AM Anonymous Says:
This so called Yoilish and those that think like him need to be put in Cherem. He is a thug plain and simple. His reasoning is corrupted and defintly not al pi derech hatorah.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:34 AM Communists are Democrats Too Says:
This yoyli guy is seriously missing some screws!!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:34 AM R' Yoilish Says:
Have you seen the way "Rabbi" Hoffman is turning the discution, to make him look like a fool, Yoilish comes across as being a very mixed up individual but in fact he is 100% right, This is not a chilil hashem.
Its the biggest kidish hashem
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:41 AM Anonymous Says:
Is this man in his own violent cult? Rabbi Hoffman ran rings round this Yoilish, both in dignity & in learning. Yet somehow he "inspires" people to violence. Very sad.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:41 AM Anonymous Says:
ignorance combined with fundamentalism. if he was muslim, he would be easily convinced to be a suicide bomber.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:40 AM Anonymous Says:
Can anyone give us his and his mother's full name so we can say some Tehillim for him. He is a vary distrought sick man, nebach.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:40 AM OJoe Says:
Sick, sick , sick. this mans religion has nothing to do with Torah. He couldnt care less what the Torah says. If the Torah or Hashem disagree with him, then his opinion is that the Torah is not frum enough.
If the gedolim and rabbonim in his community do not publicly come out against people like this, then who will stop them? And who will blame others for believing that they are okay with these behaviors and attitudes.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:48 AM EMES YID Says:
This guy sounds like a typical yerushalmi. uneducated!!!!!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:43 AM Eli W Says:
Why isn't he arrested for inciting violence?
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:43 AM Anonymous Says:
this interview reminds me of a mid 1990's interview in newsweek with one of the Hamas chiefs. same line of irrational thinking.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:42 AM SD Says:
The problem is not with him, but with those who send him.
Every community has its disturbed individuals, but not every community empowers them to act on their behalf.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 11:52 AM joe Says:
its a wonder that in the community where I live if u drop out of yeshiva by age 16 your guaranteed not to become a community leader, but I guess meah sharim has a different set of rules, I mean how can this type of person become so big regardless if he works for the edah or not he's obviously got pull, I think they need to start putting up a new class of leaders maybe people who work for Zaka or other org like that they will know when its good to be tuff with the state and when there needs to be a bit of cool
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:01 PM formally Says:
fool or not why do the Eida Chareidi elders give the times his number and why aren't they out there condemning him.
Must be on some lever they agree. sadly if not stop one day him or others will do a real terrorist attack
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:00 PM yossie Says:
“ Have you seen the way "Rabbi" Hoffman is turning the discution, to make him look like a fool, Yoilish comes across as being a very mixed up individual but in fact he is 100% right, This is not a chilil hashem.
Its the biggest kidish hashem ”
you need some serious help as well as you need to consult daas torah as to what constitutes a chillul or kidish hashem
above all yoilish and the rest of the "leidegers" who demonstrate need to get a job or go back to scnorring at the kosel
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:00 PM Moshe Says:
This guy is an extreme, and problem a hatful person.
He says: Chulul Hsem is just for the non-Jew and for the frum Jew, not for the Chlinim; Who told him that? He is just like to reform Jew’s who adjust the Torah to what they wane do. He is a reform Jew in my eyes.
All Gdolah Yisreal were against violence. Including the Satmer Rabbi and even R’ Amrom Blow
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:
Yoilish makes it clear he's an am ha'aretz with little yeshiva learning. It is reflected in his approach- of course it's all muttar. He's a moreh hetter like any other am ha'aretz. He's just much more damaging.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:04 PM yenta Says:
this guy is an embarassment to the EC. he is incapable of using any logic, except what he has decided upfront. you can "hakk and brokk" and he just keeps repeating his side without even responding. pathetic
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:28 PM Obamanation Says:
Rabbi Hoffman did a great job opening the light to a guy that sounds to me like a rochmunis. i wouldnt even call him bad just a big rochmunis. he must of goten hooked on this way of thinking when he was yung and no one ever asked him to explain till now. even though he had some good points but didnt know how to bring them out, he definatly sees theres a differant and better way of doing things & his way remains in a big question. i dont blam him this is what he was tought and never gave it any thoght, till now.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:26 PM Anonymous Says:
The interviewer should have asked this guy how many "chilonim" began observing shabbos or dress modestly as a result of being spat on or blocked from driving. I think that most people who demonstrate think like yoilish.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:26 PM poshiter yid Says:
its all clear in the beggining of the interview this person was a yeshiva drop out, a low life so to justify his being a low life he tries to call what he is doing the frum thing but it is very obvious that he is a plain bum.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Sick, sick , sick. this mans religion has nothing to do with Torah. He couldnt care less what the Torah says. If the Torah or Hashem disagree with him, then his opinion is that the Torah is not frum enough.
If the gedolim and rabbonim in his community do not publicly come out against people like this, then who will stop them? And who will blame others for believing that they are okay with these behaviors and attitudes. ”
He just dont want to adaped to anything else from Daas torah
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:22 PM Obliko_Morale Says:
Great! "Rabbi" Hoffman (creme de la creme of TV-watching MO-Mizrachi crowd) was very successfull in arguing with a semiliterate dropout! How about taking a challenge of arguing with a genuine Talmid Chochom either in US or EY? I'll be able to arrange the meeting and to webcast it live. Mr. Kraus's inability to see through BS doesn't mean no one can do it.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:15 PM Anonymous Says:
The Rabonim should start self examining their communities and whether their leadership and education cultivates these types of deviants who are becoming more so dangerous in justifying their actions, believing that they are doing it in the sake of Hashem and Torah. We say that the radical Muslims are like that because they have a flawed religion and don't have the true message of our Torah, but watching this dangerous guy who can justify any violence for the sake of Torah, one must start questioning the Rabbonim that cultivated and taught him Torah. I hope this type of radicalism in the Haredi world does not escalate to more groups and Palestinian level of violence.
By the way, the bullets in the video are not "live" they are just spent casings that he collected. And the guy is obviously not a smart individual if he is keeping flash bang/tear gas grenades in his room. If the fuse failed to activate them, sooner or later they will go off and he won't have fun in a small room like that.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:12 PM Anonymous Says:
but why when the misnachlim called sharon nazi in midtown manhattan where was the chariedim lubavitch agudah used to scream how come we go protest on the streets. but all of a sudden when thay returned gush katif thay went in manhattan in front of the sheraton with big signs traitor nazi
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:08 PM Hashem Yerachem Alav Says:
Kudos to Rabbi Hoffman for an excellent professional interview (with a difficult subject).
There are words in the dialogue that are nebach so revealing:
1. operations bunker” in the heart of Meah Shearim.
2.K rauss is described as the “Operations Chief - of what?
3. They are bullets, tear gas and flash grenades that the police have thrown at us and have denied it. Some have not exploded.(end of quotes)
If this would be a case of little boys playing army, it would be cute and typical.
This is a man with a family who's living in a bunker, waiting for the enemies to show up. Unexploded grenades???? A ticking time bomb.
As it always seems to end up, there is one big question. Clearly, he needs psychological help. He claims to be the rep. of an organization, which repudiates the violence.
If this man allowed to continue and not forcibly stopped by Edah people, leaders are responsible for the acts of a very sick man.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:33 PM Anonymous Says:
I hate to be so cynical but if you think Rabbi Hoffman put him in his place, you're wrong.
Rabbi Hoffman seems to be very sincere albeit quite naive. Quoting Rav Elyashiv as the posek hador to a Toldos Aharon chosid is almost laughable. They (the exetremists) have absolutely no respect for Rav Elyashiv or any godol for that matter that recognizes the Medinah.
I guarantee you he walked out of that interview completely unfazed by what he was told by someone he sees to be part of the problem not the solution.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:50 PM good job Says:
“ This yoyli guy is seriously missing some screws!! ”
i wouldnt necessarily say that...its just he grew up a certain naive way ...doesnt know what the world out there is all about..and just needed some enlightenment...Rabbi Hoffman sure does sound well backed up....wow...nice interview!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:55 PM monseyman Says:
I hope this first inside view of a tangled mind of nebech a disgruntled organizer, will discourage some going forward of taking part in violent protesters.
Thanks Rabbi Hoffman and VIN
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:54 PM Moshe Says:
Reply to #34
Don’t blame the Robanim.
All over the world, in every culture, you will find extremist and people who love violence. Its just one of the flaw’s of human nature.
Actually the Robonim are doing a good job. Our extremists and bad apples - are not killing or wounding people.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 12:51 PM R' Yoilish Says:
This is not an interview it is an interrogation !!!!!!!!!!!!
I Hate the way "Rabbi Hoffman" interrogates this Yoilish !!!
R' Yoilish has a very legitimate reason to make as many hofgonis as needed, people who think that chilul hashem is caused by promoting shmeras hashabos, are not thinking with real daas torah !!!!
Again, This is not an interview it is an interrogation !!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not an interview it is an interrogation !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:04 PM Midwestern Guy Says:
There seems to be a certain way of thinking that I've only seen among our Israeli brethren. It's expressed perfectly in Yoilish's words when he talks about the police acting a certain way. He says that if *they* behave like animals then the Charedim have a right to act similarly. Talking sense to a person like this, who also says that a garbage can has a din of hefker, is senseless!
Unfortunately, people like this don't know (or choose to ignore) several basic halachos involving hezek (which, according to some opionions, if ossur *even if* the mazik intends on repaying the nizak immediately). It's impossible to speak sensibly about anything with someone like this.
Kudos for R' Hoffman for making it very clear that these people are:
1) ignorant in halacha
2) ignorant in basic mentchlichkeit
3) ignorant in what creates a chillul Hashem and
4) not fully mentally stable
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:03 PM Sdudent Says:
How sick can one become? He didn't answer a single question with a rational answer. He should be arrested or forced into psychiatric center. What a nut job.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:01 PM Disgusted Jew Says:
He is no different than a Muslim extremist,,,,It is embarrassing that people will look at him, and think "Jew". He is everything that Jews are against. He is using his translation of religion, to rationalize for his terrorist actions.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:10 PM Lawyer Says:
Not only an am ha'aretz, but a dope. From where does he think garbage cans come from? They fall from the sky like monn in the desert? The garbage cans being burnt are mostly owned by yirei shomayim, and thus the person who burns them is a mazik. R. Hoffman has it exactly right.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:13 PM lisham Says:
this guy is a mindless moron
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:15 PM Simon Says:
To # 41
The Taliban also claim the are legitimate, Hitler also claimed he is legitimate. (I’m not comparing; I’m just making a point).
Violence is not legitimate only in self defense. This is agreed by most people in the world, and by most (if not all) Gdoli Yisroel and Beni Yisroel. If someone disagrees with that, he is a bad human apple with no goodness in his hart. End of discussion.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:14 PM Manny Says:
i will quote... "and i lay in front of you good and evil, and you'll CHOOSE life" it is a matter of choice, not a fanatic forcing of your opinions like spitting in the face of someone who is a human.
Also who the hell dose Yolllish think he is to say that pikuach nefesh is something selective???
if anyone have 2 eyes, mouth, nose, and is walking on 2 legs... (Human) then you are allowed to do whatever you can to save his / her life, even if you have to give a mouth to mouth to a woman...
Bottom line Mr, Yollish... Get back to school ASAP and learn some more about Derech erets kada laTorah,
veahavta lereacha kamocha,
Kol israel haverim,
shoftim veshotrim taseim lecha bechol sheareicha...
there is much more, but there is no room Mr, Yollish.
Stop stating facts when you, yourself didn't even get them straight!!!
Thank you.
Manny
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:19 PM anonymous Says:
your answer is not based on reason but rather a clarion call for more violence
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:17 PM s Says:
The guy says he left Yeshiva at 16 so how does he paskin his own halachos? You also have to have a Rabbi
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:42 PM Anonymous Says:
he looks like a mishugana
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Sep 09, 2009 at 01:48 PM Yonason Herschlag Says:
Rabbi Hoffman asked: "How can one spit in the face of a chiloni? They are also created in the image of G-d."
I ask Rabbi Hoffman: "How did Dovid HaMelech kill people? They were also in the image of G-d."
When the Israeli government went to war in Lebanon over the kidnapping of two soldiers, they killed many innocent bystanders. Was that okay?
When the Israeli government kidnapped a charedi woman under the guise that she had starved her child, the charedi community went to "war" against the government. But it was a very gentle war, with mere name calling, spitting, and property damage.
My question to rabbi Hoffman is this: "If there would be a cause that it your mind would justify going to war against a group of people, and if the war was needed for the survival of the Jewish people, and if we needed to kill people in order to survive, if calling names and spitting would help the war effort, wouldn't that be okay?
The point is, rabbi Hoffman is of the opinion that we shouldn't wage war with the Israeli government, whereas other rabbonem are of the opinion that we should wage war with the Israeli government. If war is called for, then the tactics used are not chilulei Hashem. So rabbi Hoffman and his supporters should drop their accusations of chillel Hashem, as they are irrelavent to those people following the psak of rabbonem who do not recognize the Israeli government.
And all these acusations of chillel Hashem are simply loshon hora.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:00 PM DISGUSTED Says:
Why does my mind conjure up an immage of an Al-Quaida thug when I see this guy? If anybody out there thinks the rest of the world doesn't see the same thing, welcome to the real world!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:13 PM Midwestern Guy Says:
“ Rabbi Hoffman asked: "How can one spit in the face of a chiloni? They are also created in the image of G-d."
I ask Rabbi Hoffman: "How did Dovid HaMelech kill people? They were also in the image of G-d."
When the Israeli government went to war in Lebanon over the kidnapping of two soldiers, they killed many innocent bystanders. Was that okay?
When the Israeli government kidnapped a charedi woman under the guise that she had starved her child, the charedi community went to "war" against the government. But it was a very gentle war, with mere name calling, spitting, and property damage.
My question to rabbi Hoffman is this: "If there would be a cause that it your mind would justify going to war against a group of people, and if the war was needed for the survival of the Jewish people, and if we needed to kill people in order to survive, if calling names and spitting would help the war effort, wouldn't that be okay?
The point is, rabbi Hoffman is of the opinion that we shouldn't wage war with the Israeli government, whereas other rabbonem are of the opinion that we should wage war with the Israeli government. If war is called for, then the tactics used are not chilulei Hashem. So rabbi Hoffman and his supporters should drop their accusations of chillel Hashem, as they are irrelavent to those people following the psak of rabbonem who do not recognize the Israeli government.
And all these acusations of chillel Hashem are simply loshon hora. ”
"But it was a very gentle war, with mere name calling, spitting, and property damage."
Please name one posek who was matir burning garbage cans. Please name one posek who was matir the many issurim involved with harming another Yid, whether by spitting (bizayon) or physical harm.
And which Posek declared "war". Is this a milchemes mitzvah according to you?
There are many other things wrong with your post, so I just picked the lowest-hanging "fruit"
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:02 PM Yonason Herschlag Says:
“ Not only an am ha'aretz, but a dope. From where does he think garbage cans come from? They fall from the sky like monn in the desert? The garbage cans being burnt are mostly owned by yirei shomayim, and thus the person who burns them is a mazik. R. Hoffman has it exactly right. ”
Here in Israel, the garbage cans are public property, that is provided by the government. There are many great rabbonem who paskened that since the power to rule over this land was taken by force, and not according to halacha, the ruling body does not have any right to tax us, and all the property of the government is considered stolen property.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:15 PM scales Says:
This Rabbi Hoffman sounds like an educated man speaking sense to hoodlum that cannot register any such sense. Good luck to this American Rabbi!!! I'll wait for the real Yeshua, Moshiach Tzidkeinu.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:23 PM Anonymous Says:
The question to be answered is how many of the Eidah's representatives, leaders, and participants are equally illiterate in Torah and similarily demented!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:22 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Here in Israel, the garbage cans are public property, that is provided by the government. There are many great rabbonem who paskened that since the power to rule over this land was taken by force, and not according to halacha, the ruling body does not have any right to tax us, and all the property of the government is considered stolen property. ”
Who paskened? According to you, you are a gonef for taking welfare money.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Maybe we can do a prisoner swap with hezballah, and send this guy to them and they will send back Gilad Shalit!! That way, it will be a win-win situation for everyone in Eretz Yisroel. ”
FYI!
Gilad is in gaza not in lebonon.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:21 PM Aron Says:
Reply # 45
Do you use the roads and bridges build by the Israeli government?
Do you use there garbige collection trucks?
Do you use there health care?
If yes, how can you be a sucker and not pay for your services?
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:37 PM MDshweks Says:
Obviously not well rounded in what's going on even in the Yiddishe velt.
If these Hafganos are so important, shouldn't they be led by someone with some leadership?
Aside from the issues themselves, let's say it the way it is: That whole sect of Klal Yisroel is lacking real leadership.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:31 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Great! "Rabbi" Hoffman (creme de la creme of TV-watching MO-Mizrachi crowd) was very successfull in arguing with a semiliterate dropout! How about taking a challenge of arguing with a genuine Talmid Chochom either in US or EY? I'll be able to arrange the meeting and to webcast it live. Mr. Kraus's inability to see through BS doesn't mean no one can do it.
”
“Great! "Rabbi" Hoffman (creme de la creme of TV-watching MO-Mizrachi crowd) "
Huh? Have you met Rabbi Hoffman? I don't necessarily agree with everything he says or writes, but he is far, far closer to the chareidi side than MO-Mizrachi.
And in this interview, how, exactly, do you think he is mistaken?
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:58 PM wailling wall Says:
Its amazing how many people are screaming at the eidah when this yoelish is not from there at all. You have to be missing some of your brain to think otherwise. He is a dropout. He obviouslly is quite illiterate on the topic he is supposed to be an expert on. He calls for violence when all those in the Eidah vehimently oppose it. He is so foolish to deny stories known as truths (I saw some of them myself). He cotradicts himself many times. Need I go on?
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Sep 09, 2009 at 03:03 PM Lawyer Says:
“ Here in Israel, the garbage cans are public property, that is provided by the government. There are many great rabbonem who paskened that since the power to rule over this land was taken by force, and not according to halacha, the ruling body does not have any right to tax us, and all the property of the government is considered stolen property. ”
The position you indicate appears to be a minority position at best. Acc. to that argument I can not speak to the specifics; I am not familiar with the Israeli system of socialized garbage cans.
But I would be surprised if the individual owner does not have some responsibility to the govt. in the event that the garbage can is lost or damaged. That person certainly has the right to use the garbage can (zechus hishtamshus) If someone burns a garbage can which has been assigned to a particular person (Chaim Yankel Baalabus in Meah Shearim) then he is being mazik that person's property (he is depriving him of use, and making him responsible to pay).
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:50 PM Midwestern Guy Says:
“ Great! "Rabbi" Hoffman (creme de la creme of TV-watching MO-Mizrachi crowd) was very successfull in arguing with a semiliterate dropout! How about taking a challenge of arguing with a genuine Talmid Chochom either in US or EY? I'll be able to arrange the meeting and to webcast it live. Mr. Kraus's inability to see through BS doesn't mean no one can do it.
”
Why insult Rabbi Hoffman by putting "Rabbi" in quotes? To answer your question, though, there could never be any debate between Rabbi Hoffman and any competent rov who sanctions the many issurim being perpetrated by these people, because there aren't any! No rov has come out and said that spitting on or hitting another yid is mutar. No rov has come out and said that burning garbage cans is mutar. So, who would R' Hoffman debate? The fact is that there is no debate. Nobody holds that these actions are mutar.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:16 PM Aron Says:
Reply #52
1), War is only permissible in self defense of your life. If not, the whole world will end up like Pakistan, Afganizton, Iraq, etc.
(2, you are lying when you say that the Robanin agree to use violence. Actually that came out against it
(3, If you believe you may use violence in this case, don't come like a cry baby when they are using violence against you; every action has a reaction.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:49 PM NON LITVAK Says:
I Am very sorry Rabbi Hoffmen but you are so wrong, Why are you pressing the poor guy to follow the chazon ish?, Mr. Kross is right nobody excepted that chazon ish and you know that very well, that was a chidush from the chz"sh.
and you really busted it when you mixed in Rabbi Yitzchak Elchanan, again Mr. Kross is right, you want him to be mechalel shabbos based on feelings? what is wrong with you, he tells you R' Elyashev does not allow to call for help, and you answer you can see on his face that he would have feelings?????
You took one quote "d'ruchehu darchie noam" and miss use it so bad, you can disregard the whole torah that way, the torah says on one how observes every single mitzvah, but one shabbos he pulls out from the earth a weed (of cource b'maizid) that he gets STONED TO DEATH!
Where is d'rachehu darchei noan???
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Sep 09, 2009 at 02:47 PM ydt Says:
“ Great! "Rabbi" Hoffman (creme de la creme of TV-watching MO-Mizrachi crowd) was very successfull in arguing with a semiliterate dropout! How about taking a challenge of arguing with a genuine Talmid Chochom either in US or EY? I'll be able to arrange the meeting and to webcast it live. Mr. Kraus's inability to see through BS doesn't mean no one can do it.
”
Rabbi Hoffman is a great talmid Chacham. he lives in the Five Towns, teaches in the yeshivos there, is a mechaber seforim. Just because he was a Rov in the Young Israel in patchogue doesn't mean he is MO. . Ask anyone living in FR about Rabbi Hoffman. They will ALL tell you that he is a Ish Yerai Shamyim, and a talmid chacham.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 03:21 PM dovid Says:
R Yoelish,
I would like to propose a challenge. How many people became frum due to having bleach thrown on them or being spat on.
Please dont weasel your way out of this question. A reply of just a number will suffice.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 03:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I hate to be so cynical but if you think Rabbi Hoffman put him in his place, you're wrong.
Rabbi Hoffman seems to be very sincere albeit quite naive. Quoting Rav Elyashiv as the posek hador to a Toldos Aharon chosid is almost laughable. They (the exetremists) have absolutely no respect for Rav Elyashiv or any godol for that matter that recognizes the Medinah.
I guarantee you he walked out of that interview completely unfazed by what he was told by someone he sees to be part of the problem not the solution. ”
Just so you know I happen to know this guy and his family and they have basically nothing to do with Toldos Aron as he himself said he dropped out at 16
Rabbi Hoffman might as well have interviewed a 5 year old he bumped into at the local shul as that's how much authority this guy has
Everyone kows the rabanim have always been against violence and its always been perpertarated by a few troublemakers after most people have gone home and that's when the trouble starts
A true kanoi like R Amram Blau never hit or spat but let himself be hit and spat upon
if this guy promotes violence then he may be the ringleader of a few drop out stonethrowers but definately does not represent the Toldos Aron or the Eidah as he himself said everytime someone else tells him to do something but he can't pin down a name
Its like the question "what if someone tells you to jump off a roof would you do it"?he would probably say yes
someone probably just threw his name and no at R Hoffman as a joke and he fell for it
Or this is a deliberate attemt at shmutzing the Eida and TA for if R Hoffman wanted a true insight or interview with someone who can open the gemara the right way up, he could have gone to one of the Rabbanim of the Eida as well as someone with an official position in the Eida like R Pappenhaim for an interview, not a young rabble rousing boared am haaretz and making it look as if he represents Chareidim Kanoim or the Eida
He doesnt
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Sep 09, 2009 at 03:32 PM Aaron Says:
I wish Rabbi Hoffman would instead do an interview with me.... The fact that most of you fail to understand is that you all are so crazed about the Charaidim making a Chillel Hashem, you should all go and get some teaching to what “Chillel Hashem” means
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yid talks in the middle of Krias Hatorah
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yid talks in the middle of Shmona Esrah
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish women dresses immodestly “Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish Men watches an immodest film
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish Men or Lady is Machalel Shabos
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish Men or Lady eats traifa
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish Men or serves in the IDF
The Biggest “Chillel Hashem” is that there is an Israeli State that desecrates the name of Hashem every day of it’s existence
Yes, it is also a [much smaller] Chillel Hashem when a gentile sees that Yiddish people do not follow the rules of the Torah….. And only then!
When we do follow the rules of the Torah then although a gentile might look down at us….. And we might not fit into their elite thinking…This is not in any way any Chillel Hashem
If we do protests for the desecration of Hashems name in the state of Israel, you may be ashamed of your fanatic brother, but don’t call this a Chillel Hashem
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Sep 09, 2009 at 03:42 PM Yerushalmi Says:
I disagree with Yoilish, but let Rabbi Hoffman have an interview with a Talmid Chuchem and see the real das torah.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 03:35 PM Yonason Herschlag Says:
“ The position you indicate appears to be a minority position at best. Acc. to that argument I can not speak to the specifics; I am not familiar with the Israeli system of socialized garbage cans.
But I would be surprised if the individual owner does not have some responsibility to the govt. in the event that the garbage can is lost or damaged. That person certainly has the right to use the garbage can (zechus hishtamshus) If someone burns a garbage can which has been assigned to a particular person (Chaim Yankel Baalabus in Meah Shearim) then he is being mazik that person's property (he is depriving him of use, and making him responsible to pay). ”
Here in Israel, we do not have the luxury of private garbage cans. When a person has garbage to get rid of, he has to walk down the block and/or cross the street, to put his garbage in the comunal bin from where it is later picked up by trucks and hauled away. No individuals are harmed financially. The financial loss is incurred entirely by the municipality. However, the locals do suffer from the smoke, smell, and dirty and chaotic streets. On this point he agreed that for this reason one shouldn't burn the garbage.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 04:00 PM Aron Says:
Reply to #72
You are right, but you left out many other “Chlul Hsem’s”
It says many many times in Gamra and Rambam, if a Yid doesn’t behave with menthlickuet it’s a “Chlul Hsem”.
This extreme people fight Chlul Hsem with Chlul Hsem. “Ytse Schrau Bhfsido”.
All Gdoly Yisroel even the EC agree that’s not the way.
Satmer Rabbi said: Does Knaim do so much damage as the people who they fight against.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 04:15 PM PMO Says:
It is about time that someone began exposing these terrorists for what they are. "Yoilish" is worse than any other kind of terrorist because he blends in with us. He dresses like us, he speaks like us, he looks like us, but he is a roshoh and a rodef.
We need to be much more fearful of this than we do from any other kind of terrorism. When an Arab terrorist is in our midst, he stands out. This piece of filth blends in. He can hide among us and move freely. He seeks to create conflict and violence from WITHIN. Animals like this must be dealt with in the most harsh of ways.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 04:39 PM Yankee Says:
“ Reply to #72
You are right, but you left out many other “Chlul Hsem’s”
It says many many times in Gamra and Rambam, if a Yid doesn’t behave with menthlickuet it’s a “Chlul Hsem”.
This extreme people fight Chlul Hsem with Chlul Hsem. “Ytse Schrau Bhfsido”.
All Gdoly Yisroel even the EC agree that’s not the way.
Satmer Rabbi said: Does Knaim do so much damage as the people who they fight against.
”
Look like few vowel keys on your keyboard are stuck
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Sep 09, 2009 at 04:36 PM Yankee Says:
YOILISH is doing the right thing, more power to him. He is fighting Hashem's fight, while all of you posing comments here have probably never lifted a finger for a Jewish cause. All you do is talk loshon hora and criticize. Look in the mirror first, how many times during the day you all make chilul Hashem, everyone here speaks like he ir she is a big TZADIK. Most comments here are laced with venom, hate and gaiva, while the most insulting comments probably come from pea brained nobodies.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 04:58 PM Yonason Herschlag Says:
Reb Yoilish seemed to have a bit of difficulty expressing his point of view about "not relating to the opinions of chilonim in relation to defining something as a chillel Hashem." There are actually several issues here that have become mixed up. So allow me to first separate the issues, and then try to clarify them.
1. In the eyes of certain chilonim, circumsision may be viewed as violent and cruel. And so too, the many death penalties of the Torah may seem violent and cruel, and so too does the mitzvoh of shluach hakeyn (sending away the mother, and taking her eggs or young) seem to them as being violent and cruel. It is in this respect that we do not heed their opinions one iota. It is in this respect that reb Yoilish meant to say that we do not consider it to be a chillel Hashem if we do things that give the chiloni an impression that charedim are violent and cruel.
2. In regards to how we relate to chilonim personally, and on an individual level, we must accord them due respect, and treat them with kindness, and thereby sanctify the name of G-d.
We therefore separate - the opinions of the chilonim we disregard, but in treatment of chilonim personally we give respect and kindness.
3. Rabbi Hoffman asked reb Yoilish for a source for upholding the idea to disregard the opinions of chilonim regarding chilel Hashem. I am very surprised that Rabbi Hoffman didn’t consider the mishna in Avos: “be bold like the leopard to do the will of G-d.” This mishna teaches us not to feel shame when doing the will of G-d, even though in the eyes of men the act appears shameful.
4. The respect and kindness that we are obligated to confer upon chilonim is of course only when they are not in the midst of attacking us. If a chiloni woman dresses in a way that offends charedim, and puts a stumbling block before them, if she had no mal intention, of course we must not offend her. But if she comes dressed that way into a charedi neighborhood with the explicit intention of offending the community, then Rabbi Hoffman shouldn’t be traveling the globe to defend her from being spit at.
5. Would Rabbi Hoffman have called Pinchas’ act a chillel Hashem? Pinchas more than spat on Zimri’s “image of G-d”. Would Rabbi Hoffman have argued with Pinchas that he should have invited Zimri for a shabbas meal instead of putting a spear through him? Would Rabbi Hoffman consider Pinchas posul for being a witness for a marriage, seeing that Pinchas caused financial damages?
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Sep 09, 2009 at 04:54 PM lishma Says:
“ I wish Rabbi Hoffman would instead do an interview with me.... The fact that most of you fail to understand is that you all are so crazed about the Charaidim making a Chillel Hashem, you should all go and get some teaching to what “Chillel Hashem” means
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yid talks in the middle of Krias Hatorah
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yid talks in the middle of Shmona Esrah
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish women dresses immodestly “Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish Men watches an immodest film
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish Men or Lady is Machalel Shabos
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish Men or Lady eats traifa
“Chillel Hashem” is when a Yiddish Men or serves in the IDF
The Biggest “Chillel Hashem” is that there is an Israeli State that desecrates the name of Hashem every day of it’s existence
Yes, it is also a [much smaller] Chillel Hashem when a gentile sees that Yiddish people do not follow the rules of the Torah….. And only then!
When we do follow the rules of the Torah then although a gentile might look down at us….. And we might not fit into their elite thinking…This is not in any way any Chillel Hashem
If we do protests for the desecration of Hashems name in the state of Israel, you may be ashamed of your fanatic brother, but don’t call this a Chillel Hashem
”
anyone who uses the hashem as his argumeant point by that i mean always brings hashem to defend his way of thinking is nothing more then a megalomaniac someone who thinks he is above everyone else
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Sep 09, 2009 at 05:07 PM Ahab Says:
I am a Zionist but i do like Yoelish.
He's authentic, unlike his predecessor Meshi Zahav. He lives by what he believes, supports his large family without taking money from the State and trying to make his community self sustaining more than ever.
There are very few true idealists left in the Jewish world, and he's one of them.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 05:14 PM Torah Yid Says:
This man is pure evil. He is a drop out who works day and night on sinas yisroel. He is one of amalek!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Rabbi Hoffman asked: "How can one spit in the face of a chiloni? They are also created in the image of G-d."
I ask Rabbi Hoffman: "How did Dovid HaMelech kill people? They were also in the image of G-d."
When the Israeli government went to war in Lebanon over the kidnapping of two soldiers, they killed many innocent bystanders. Was that okay?
When the Israeli government kidnapped a charedi woman under the guise that she had starved her child, the charedi community went to "war" against the government. But it was a very gentle war, with mere name calling, spitting, and property damage.
My question to rabbi Hoffman is this: "If there would be a cause that it your mind would justify going to war against a group of people, and if the war was needed for the survival of the Jewish people, and if we needed to kill people in order to survive, if calling names and spitting would help the war effort, wouldn't that be okay?
The point is, rabbi Hoffman is of the opinion that we shouldn't wage war with the Israeli government, whereas other rabbonem are of the opinion that we should wage war with the Israeli government. If war is called for, then the tactics used are not chilulei Hashem. So rabbi Hoffman and his supporters should drop their accusations of chillel Hashem, as they are irrelavent to those people following the psak of rabbonem who do not recognize the Israeli government.
And all these acusations of chillel Hashem are simply loshon hora. ”
Help me out a little here. Exactly which Rabbonim have declared that we should "wage war" against the Israeli government, and that this should be a war that does not have boundries that include chilul hashem?
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Sep 09, 2009 at 06:21 PM Anonymous Says:
I know some of these posters personally . I'm ashamed to say that I am your friend. Yes, this guy seems quite radical and different than you and I . But we can all say he means it seriosly . So, why this name calling and WOW such HATE . We all sit in our nice homes(b"h me too) and bash , horrible. Did you all do something for kvod shomayim with mesiras nefesh? The yom hadin is coming , can you say honestly that your hatefull posts were not reflecting your own personal comfortable agendas?
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Sep 09, 2009 at 06:47 PM vey tzu mir Says:
such a zadik i sure there gonna have to make a new place for him after 120 im afraid,it might get a bit hot upthere[or is it down there]
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Sep 09, 2009 at 05:37 PM Anonymous Says:
I can't believe these posts , I know some of you guys personally ,I'm ashamed to say that I call myself your freinds . This yoilish guy , yes, he is different than us , yes he is a bit radical, but, he means kvod shomayim.he is arranging protests so chillul shabbos is minimized etc. We sit here in our luxury homes (myself b"h included) and call him all kinds of names that you would'nt call a goy in the street.the yom hadin is coming , that's all I've got to say.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 07:32 PM Anti terror Says:
Sometimes I am very happy that religious Jews do not have any major political power imagine this guy had some funding or power than Jewish people would have an equivalent to al queada.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 07:31 PM halaivi Says:
“ you need some serious help as well as you need to consult daas torah as to what constitutes a chillul or kidish hashem
above all yoilish and the rest of the "leidegers" who demonstrate need to get a job or go back to scnorring at the kosel ”
It's a bunch of am haaratzim going back and forth one says chilul hashem the other one says kidush hashem.
Why don't we ask a sheyle from someone like rav elyashuv or rav tuvia weiss what the daas torah is.
Don't you think that if it would have been a chilul hashem they would have voiced their appinion?
I know of someone who asked one of the great rabonim of our times if it's considered a CH what neturai karta went to Iran and the answer was NO.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 07:01 PM Dr. Z Says:
Rabbi Yair Hoffman is a charedi rav, talmid chacham, and mechaber of sefarim on halacha. He has spoken with gedolim including Rav Sternbuch shlita who have condemned the hooligans behind the violence. Much is at stake here. Let's not forget that without da'as Torah, eesh kol ha'yashar be'einav ya'aseh, and this yeshiva drop-out is Exhibit A in that regard. Does he ask shailos? Is he learned? Does he know alef-bais about halacha? The answers are obvious.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 07:01 PM Anonymous Says:
The fact that such a disturbed individual becomes the public face of yidden in EY is itself a chilul hashem. The fact that the hareidi leadership, including the Eidah have not totally isolate him raises questions as to their own loss of awareness of what is going on.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 08:29 PM Anonymous Says:
Hopefully, the dialog was at least a little instructive for Yoilish. Perhaps more of this kind of dialogue would help lessen some of the more extreme behavior (such as spitting) in the future.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 08:16 PM Hashem Loves every Yid Says:
This guy thinks he can change halacha, "Chilul Hashem is a New concept" What is he like a goy trying to change Hashem's heilige torah. Toras Hashem Temima!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And truthfully Derech Eretz Kudma L'Torah- until this guy gets a better look that every Holy Beautiful Yidishe neshama is truth, and all these so called chilonim are not only tzelem elokim but bnei and bas melachim.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 09:59 PM Teshuva Says:
If someone says harey at Mekudeshes... al Menas Sheani Tzadik Gamur... it is Sofek mekudeshes because Shema Hirher Tshuvah.
Chazaka say Reshuaim meleim Charotes and they do Teshuvah all the time - not only Misofek but this is the Chazaka.
If someone is a victim of an accident it is it is not sofek and not just a Chazaka that he did Teshuva but 100% for sure that he had a hirhur Teshuva when he is the victim of an accident and knows his life is on the line.
And if someones life is on the line and he knows he may die and he has no hirhur teshuvah it can only be because he is a Tinok Shenishba who does not even realize that he needs to do Teshuvah.
Therefore no matter way way you look at it you always have to be Mechale Shabbos to save his life.
This Yolish is simply stupid.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 09:49 PM Sam Says:
Extremists like this guy, were the folks who revolted against the Romans when it clearly agaisnt halacha, defying the interest of the majority of the jews and their leadership, and directly caused the destruction of the Second Bayis...read your history.
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Sep 09, 2009 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:
Can someone please answer? Did anyone of you , your rabbis ,community intervene on behalf of preventing chilul shabos in a so called civil manner? I think I know the answer ,and yoilish does too . Beshvil avoin chillul shabbos churvu yerushalaim!
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Sep 09, 2009 at 10:29 PM Hypocrisy of the "Protesters" Says:
“ Can someone please answer? Did anyone of you , your rabbis ,community intervene on behalf of preventing chilul shabos in a so called civil manner? I think I know the answer ,and yoilish does too . Beshvil avoin chillul shabbos churvu yerushalaim! ”
Not only is the protest, futile because you will never make someone do Teshuva because you throw rocks at him, burn some tires or spit in her face....
All you do is make YOURSELF "feels good" that you vented your temper but you accomplish zero.
In fact the protest brings reporters on shabbos, which all come DRIVING = more chilul shabbos and not less.
It also brings police on shabbos, who are ALL yidden, who are all mechalel shabbos, as a RESULT of the protest.
So whom, are these silly protesters, trying to fool, that they accomplish anything ???
Even more silly and even more hypocritical and even more proof that these protesters are all "full of it" is:
If they really cared about Chilul Shabbos, what difference does it make to them where the Parking Lot is located ? ? ? ? ? ?
Why do these hypocrites not protest about 99% of all these parking lost that are not next to their back yard.
The answer is that they could care less about yes chilul shabbos or no chilul shabbos, rather it bothers them their SELFISH comfort that it is in their back yard but as for Hashem, it makes no difference in whose back yard the chilul shabbos takes place.
But the protesters don't care about Hashem only about their own SELFISH comfort that it makes them uncomfortable ONLY if it's in their own, personal, selfish, back yard ! ! !
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Sep 10, 2009 at 04:26 AM NoZionistI Says:
This menivel should change his name to Bilam. He desecrates his name of Yoel which I assume was given to him in memory of the great tzaddik baal haVayoel Moishe ZYA.
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Sep 10, 2009 at 02:47 AM Anonymous Says:
Rav Shternbuch himself called them Biryonim! Anyone that disagrees with him is off his rocker!
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Sep 10, 2009 at 01:52 AM YitzchokAizik Says:
Mafia people should go to jail!
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Sep 10, 2009 at 12:46 AM Unlikely Says:
This guy need to be put away, lives in a bubble, thinks that the world starts and ends in Mea She’arim and has no intensions to be me’kadesh Shem Sha’mayim, it’s all about ego and living within an uncivilized society without any constructive structure to his day.
If this is one who represents those that demonstrate, than, they’re having a real PR problem
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Sep 10, 2009 at 06:09 AM HaShem Yeracheim Says:
Moishe Rabeinu davened for Yehoshua before he joined the Meraglim. The question is obvious: why only for Yehoshua? they were all at risk. surely he wasnt the type to give 'protektsia' to his gabbe?
Chazal explain there are two types of Aveiros, 1) where the person holds the Aveira e.g. he succumbs to his evil inclination but knows he's doing something wrong - he stands a chance to do Teshuva when he gets a grip on himself perhaps at Yom Kippur or when he senses he's being punished. 2) The aveira holds the person i.e. the person is convinced he's doing a Mitzva. This guy is at much greater risk of never getting to teshuva becos he's convinced of the mitzva
Moishe R knew the meraglim were guilty of the first, namely, they didnt want to relinquish their positions of Nesius which they knew would happen upon entry to EY, however he felt that becos they were ehrliche yidden they would overcome this Yetzer Hora and not commit the impending sin, however when Moishe R saw how upset Yehoshua was that Eldad and Meydad prophesized that Moishe would die and Yehoshua would lead, he realised that Yehoshua was at risk of committing the sin thinking he was doing the jews a favour by keeping Moishe alive - he was the real 'at risk' guy!
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Sep 10, 2009 at 06:46 AM Anonymous Says:
i would send this to the police... this guy aught to be behind bars for life..
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Sep 10, 2009 at 07:12 AM you must be joking Says:
“ Rabbi Hoffman asked: "How can one spit in the face of a chiloni? They are also created in the image of G-d."
I ask Rabbi Hoffman: "How did Dovid HaMelech kill people? They were also in the image of G-d."
When the Israeli government went to war in Lebanon over the kidnapping of two soldiers, they killed many innocent bystanders. Was that okay?
When the Israeli government kidnapped a charedi woman under the guise that she had starved her child, the charedi community went to "war" against the government. But it was a very gentle war, with mere name calling, spitting, and property damage.
My question to rabbi Hoffman is this: "If there would be a cause that it your mind would justify going to war against a group of people, and if the war was needed for the survival of the Jewish people, and if we needed to kill people in order to survive, if calling names and spitting would help the war effort, wouldn't that be okay?
The point is, rabbi Hoffman is of the opinion that we shouldn't wage war with the Israeli government, whereas other rabbonem are of the opinion that we should wage war with the Israeli government. If war is called for, then the tactics used are not chilulei Hashem. So rabbi Hoffman and his supporters should drop their accusations of chillel Hashem, as they are irrelavent to those people following the psak of rabbonem who do not recognize the Israeli government.
And all these acusations of chillel Hashem are simply loshon hora. ”
you must be joking!!! this is a joke right? the israeli's went to war bc they had no other choce!!! if someone took your brother and sisters away you would do everything in your right to get them back. Those arabs killed them. the israeli gov. didnt kill this woman. they are proctecting the child in this case, OPEN your eyes and your heart. think about from both sides (yes i did). you must be joking or youo do NOT know the facts MR yonason hershlag.
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Sep 10, 2009 at 07:54 AM shimon taylor Says:
He seems almost OK, but I find it hard to believe that a top posek said not to be m'challel shabbos for a chiloni. If it IS true, then I must learn more. But at the momment, I understand that one IS m'challel shabbos to save any born jew. If we know fr sure that the jew is a real poshaya, I don't know. But I thought that in our times, there is hardly any such t hing that we can truly judge another jew, to say he is an apikorus etc.
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Sep 10, 2009 at 07:52 AM Yonason Herschlag Says:
“ you must be joking!!! this is a joke right? the israeli's went to war bc they had no other choce!!! if someone took your brother and sisters away you would do everything in your right to get them back. Those arabs killed them. the israeli gov. didnt kill this woman. they are proctecting the child in this case, OPEN your eyes and your heart. think about from both sides (yes i did). you must be joking or youo do NOT know the facts MR yonason hershlag. ”
I'm glad you agree with me, on the point that sometimes there is no choice but to go to war. And according to you, in such cases, tactics even as extreme as killing innocent bystanders is not a chillel Hashem (since there is no choice).
Whether or not the case of the woman abducted by the Israeli police, and threatened to be locked up under pretenses of allegedly harming her child, constitutes a situation of not having any choice other than to go to war to rescue her, this is a debatable matter. I admit that I don't have the facts on the matter. Everything I know about the case is merely hearsay. From your assumption that the government's intentions are to protect the child, I gather that you have reached your conclussions with great confidence... but without any facts. The rabbonem who called for the demonstrations investigated the matter. How can anyone be so bold as to say that those rabbonem are wrong and are making a chillel Hashem?! What ever happened to the principle of judging one's fellow Jew to the side of merit?!
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Sep 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM you must be joking Says:
“ I'm glad you agree with me, on the point that sometimes there is no choice but to go to war. And according to you, in such cases, tactics even as extreme as killing innocent bystanders is not a chillel Hashem (since there is no choice).
Whether or not the case of the woman abducted by the Israeli police, and threatened to be locked up under pretenses of allegedly harming her child, constitutes a situation of not having any choice other than to go to war to rescue her, this is a debatable matter. I admit that I don't have the facts on the matter. Everything I know about the case is merely hearsay. From your assumption that the government's intentions are to protect the child, I gather that you have reached your conclussions with great confidence... but without any facts. The rabbonem who called for the demonstrations investigated the matter. How can anyone be so bold as to say that those rabbonem are wrong and are making a chillel Hashem?! What ever happened to the principle of judging one's fellow Jew to the side of merit?! ”
very good point but your missing the point. yes the mother is vert important but as the state "see's" it. the mother can take care of her self but for some reason cant take care of her child. so they need to step in and help the child, As soon as they clear up the story and hopefully give her child back to her, and hopefully they were wrong but they still need to go throught the steps for EVERYONES safety not just the mother or the child. IVE never said the rabbis are wrong but theres a lot thats not out there. and i see your your allowed to judge all the nonreligouse jews becuase??? they didnt grow up in the right school, and families!! they might not know what it means for a REAL shabbos? so what we can spit on them? throw rocks and treat them like !@#$?? I was alwasys taught to love all jews not just the ones that keep shabbos! WE ALL HUMANS AND WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES,WE NEED TO LEARN TO LOVE AND FORGIVE, ISNT THAT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BEG GOD FOR IN A FEW DAYS??? MAYBE THEY JUST DONT KNOW MAYBE HUNDRERDS OF OTHER REASONS AS YOU SAID "What ever happened to the principle of judging one's fellow Jew to the side of merit?!” YOU TELL ME MY HOLY FRIEND!!
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Sep 10, 2009 at 10:39 AM Talmud Bucky from Wisconsin Says:
Wow, a true Am Ha Aretz. How telling htat the momewnt this man is actually confronted with a pasuk or gemara, he cannot defend anything he does. I dare say this man is an Am Ha'aretz and needs to be treated as such. He should certainly be censured by the Rabbonim in his community if not put in actaul cherem. In reading between the lines, you see the essencve of wehat these hafganot are about...these3 are people with limited limudie kodesh and not a drop of limudie chol. They fit in nowhere, and are capable of nothing productive, other than reamining on welfare. They know no other world than their Charedi circle, and are termendously resentful of the percieved wrongs that were done to them adn their lack of opportunity. They remind me of inner city folks in the U.S. who riot out of frustration, ignorance, and stupidity, and always blame someone else for their problems. Go get some tech training, get some IT training, get a job. Obviously, this man is no Talmud Chacham in any sense of the word and is just a paid strogarm hooligan. This is about power and self estemm or lack of it among the Chareidi who are being cast aside economically by their own doings. I am a banker, I learn Gemaorah, have finished three masechtot with Rashi and Tosafos while working full time and raising a family, and G-d willing will finish a fourth. I have a a bachelors nad masters degree and am licensed in securities. Is it s a truggle to be frum in the greater velt? You bet, but I dare say the Yetzer Hora is a LOT stronger as you sit idle. Idle hands are the Devil's workshop" I am jsut struck as how a Talmud Chacham, as this RAbbi hoffman apperas to be, can immdeiately destroy the "sevorah" of this Am ha'aretz. This man needs to be put in cherem, but quick. A few malkus would not hurt.
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Sep 10, 2009 at 10:48 AM Yonason Herschlag Says:
“ very good point but your missing the point. yes the mother is vert important but as the state "see's" it. the mother can take care of her self but for some reason cant take care of her child. so they need to step in and help the child, As soon as they clear up the story and hopefully give her child back to her, and hopefully they were wrong but they still need to go throught the steps for EVERYONES safety not just the mother or the child. IVE never said the rabbis are wrong but theres a lot thats not out there. and i see your your allowed to judge all the nonreligouse jews becuase??? they didnt grow up in the right school, and families!! they might not know what it means for a REAL shabbos? so what we can spit on them? throw rocks and treat them like !@#$?? I was alwasys taught to love all jews not just the ones that keep shabbos! WE ALL HUMANS AND WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES,WE NEED TO LEARN TO LOVE AND FORGIVE, ISNT THAT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BEG GOD FOR IN A FEW DAYS??? MAYBE THEY JUST DONT KNOW MAYBE HUNDRERDS OF OTHER REASONS AS YOU SAID "What ever happened to the principle of judging one's fellow Jew to the side of merit?!” YOU TELL ME MY HOLY FRIEND!! ”
If the state was trying to protect the child, wouldn't it had sufficed to issue an injunction prohibiting her to visit her child in Hadasah (where he was at the time of her arrest)? Aren't you aware that the police were holding her (a pregnant woman) under harsh conditions, without giving her a right to see a judge, and demanding that she be diagnosed (framed) by a psychiatrist chosen by the police? Aren't you aware that Hadasah has a subsidy company which on there website states that they test new medications for the market (a billion dollar industry)? Aren't you aware that the child's condition worsened drastically under the care of Hadasah, and that the mother claims a nurse told her they had used experimental medicine on him?
Although there is no obligation to judge a non-observant Jew to the side of merit, no one will acuse you of a crime if you wish to believe that perhaps the courts aren't framing this woman. Just do yourself a favour, and don't be a part of the group hating the Jerusalem charedim for having rioted to get this woman's release.
It's not good to hate such a large portion of Am Yisrael. And would it be true, that the riotings were uncalled for, it would still be loshon hora to publicize that. After all, loshon hora is when the slander is true. If false, it's motzie shem rah.
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Sep 10, 2009 at 12:55 PM a yeshivish harry Says:
what bothered me was the line of thinking that women who dont respect themselves deserve to be spit on. This line of thinking is disturbing because the fact that one has no concept of self-worth doesn't mean you can take advantage of them. its like saying that I am an animal, you placed some food in front of me, and i will act on my animalistic behaviors.
Being a HUMAN is the ability to control oneself.
His line of reasoning is that you blame the girl for being raped, not the raper. She was asking for it, so I gave it to her. In fact, nowhere in the Torah do we see such rationale, rather we punish the offender.
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Sep 10, 2009 at 02:03 PM Yonason Herschlag Says:
“ what bothered me was the line of thinking that women who dont respect themselves deserve to be spit on. This line of thinking is disturbing because the fact that one has no concept of self-worth doesn't mean you can take advantage of them. its like saying that I am an animal, you placed some food in front of me, and i will act on my animalistic behaviors.
Being a HUMAN is the ability to control oneself.
His line of reasoning is that you blame the girl for being raped, not the raper. She was asking for it, so I gave it to her. In fact, nowhere in the Torah do we see such rationale, rather we punish the offender. ”
Let me preface with that in principle I'm in agreement with you to a large degree. I also have a hard time understanding how a person could demean himself to spit on another.
However, according to our obligation of judging our fellow Jew to the side of merit, I wish to present a line of thought, that could at least diminish in our eyes the severity of this behaviour.
The torah repeats in many places the commandment to: "expunge the evil from within you (from within your communities)."
According to this commandment, we have an obligation to make sure that our communities are spiritually clean and safe, and not to have women parading around in our neighborhoods dressed imodestly.
So let me ask you: "How would you insure that women do not come to Meah Sharim dressed immodestly, with the intent of offending the populace?"
If such a woman came to town in king David's time, I don't think she would get off so easily as she did in our time in Mea Sharim.
You yourself say that according to the torah we punish the offender. If we are talking about a woman who intended to offend via imposing her immodesty upon men who strive to guard their eyes from such sites, in a neighborhood in which she had no place in being their except with the intent to incite, and then "catch them in their crime" and besmearch the charedim in the media. So how would you suggest we punish such an offender? Call the police?! Sue her in court?!
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Sep 10, 2009 at 04:02 PM Impartial Observer Says:
Speaking of Darkei Noam... notice who in this interview is eidel and meek, modestly giggling to himself at what he considers his adversary's most outlandish claims... and who arrogantly bullies and humiliates his opponent personally....
Let's be honest - R' Yoel's position is closer to that of the majority of charedim, especially in Israel, but also abroad. Most maybe don't agree with the tactics of the Eda; but they're closer to their views of the radical difference between secular and frum Jews. R' Hoffman's 'Kiruv keneged kulam' is the more revolutionary approach.
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Sep 10, 2009 at 04:27 PM a yid Says:
“ what bothered me was the line of thinking that women who dont respect themselves deserve to be spit on. This line of thinking is disturbing because the fact that one has no concept of self-worth doesn't mean you can take advantage of them. its like saying that I am an animal, you placed some food in front of me, and i will act on my animalistic behaviors.
Being a HUMAN is the ability to control oneself.
His line of reasoning is that you blame the girl for being raped, not the raper. She was asking for it, so I gave it to her. In fact, nowhere in the Torah do we see such rationale, rather we punish the offender. ”
that was only the answer because he (r. hoffmen) was using the argument of a person is created in g-d's image, but he also answered him the real reason, u come into a ultra religious neighborhood, (let alone that she for herself has the obligation to dress tzinues'ly) have some respect at least for these people's culture, (as they would call it) to them it's worse then being spit in the face!
and RIGHT being a human is the ability to control yourself, how do dress not to offend people! To have respect (if not for yourself , your g-d'ly imaged body) then at
least for other's!
A person is able to control his deeds, not his mind (to a certain extend) by a people who want to keep their minds clear,she is extremely provocative!
and for the people that only keep away from the (so called) aveira itself she dosn't have to make it harder.
Nobody is saying that if someone raped her, that he shouldn't be prosecuted but neither could one say that she is not a stumble in people's way.and the torah is full about how woman should conduct and how the opposite his a grave sin by enticing people to aveiros!
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Sep 10, 2009 at 04:53 PM a yid Says:
“ what bothered me was the line of thinking that women who dont respect themselves deserve to be spit on. This line of thinking is disturbing because the fact that one has no concept of self-worth doesn't mean you can take advantage of them. its like saying that I am an animal, you placed some food in front of me, and i will act on my animalistic behaviors.
Being a HUMAN is the ability to control oneself.
His line of reasoning is that you blame the girl for being raped, not the raper. She was asking for it, so I gave it to her. In fact, nowhere in the Torah do we see such rationale, rather we punish the offender. ”
if u hear the watch (and understand) the whole clip u see that r' yolish (even tough not an official "rabbi" and an official "yeshivah dropout"(for that alone I think he should get extra credit, even tough he didn't "fit" the yeshiva, he didn't become a teenager at risk, street druger etc., and then blame all the torah world, with all his prob. but ratter used his koches (strengths) for other mitzvos preserving cemeteries etc. and kept on following the torah and daas torah at a very high medriga!)) answered rabbi hoffmen very very well (at least as good as his teines were) were most of the times he couldn't really answer him! Seeing that he is so eidel and full of humility listening so respectfully to rabbi hoffmen's argument's (and taking every word into consideration) He tried to work on his conciseness and guilt but neither did that persuade him against his torah believes!
KUDOS TO U REB YOLISH ASHRECHU SHNITFASTU AL DIVREI TORAH!
(it could even be here and there some things that he dosn't know exactly or a slight mistake (not to talk about were there is differences in opinion) but u can't expect every layman to know all haluchoes exactly, in every situation (even a big gaon dosn't know by heart every halucha in every situation) (I wish we all knew at least the haluchoes of daily brochoes etc.)he quoited sources as least as good as rabbi hoffman, and as long that he is following das torah.
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Sep 11, 2009 at 05:17 AM starwolf Says:
“ Let me preface with that in principle I'm in agreement with you to a large degree. I also have a hard time understanding how a person could demean himself to spit on another.
However, according to our obligation of judging our fellow Jew to the side of merit, I wish to present a line of thought, that could at least diminish in our eyes the severity of this behaviour.
The torah repeats in many places the commandment to: "expunge the evil from within you (from within your communities)."
According to this commandment, we have an obligation to make sure that our communities are spiritually clean and safe, and not to have women parading around in our neighborhoods dressed imodestly.
So let me ask you: "How would you insure that women do not come to Meah Sharim dressed immodestly, with the intent of offending the populace?"
If such a woman came to town in king David's time, I don't think she would get off so easily as she did in our time in Mea Sharim.
You yourself say that according to the torah we punish the offender. If we are talking about a woman who intended to offend via imposing her immodesty upon men who strive to guard their eyes from such sites, in a neighborhood in which she had no place in being their except with the intent to incite, and then "catch them in their crime" and besmearch the charedim in the media. So how would you suggest we punish such an offender? Call the police?! Sue her in court?! ”
Who determines what is immodest dress? I have seen women spit upon in Mea Shearim by thugs--women whose offense were sleeves halfway between shoulder and elbow.
We know of cases where women dressed modestly were driving through Ramat Bet Shemesh Bet were attacked. These were middle-aged religious women who do not go around with bare midriffs--and they were not driving through to provoke anyone. they were simply driving from Bet Shemesh to Ramat Bet Shemesh Alef. One is an MD who was dressed in a professional manner--I might add that many of her patients are Hareidim, so they can apparently get along with her if they need her services.
We know of cases where nmamlachti dati high-school gilrs were attacked in Ramat Bet Shemesh Bet on Shabbat. This girls were certainly dressed modestly--on any terms except Hareidi ones.
The neighborhoods in Israel are built very close together-in fact, right next to each other. The only way to get along with one another is to treat others with respect, and without violence. Keep in mind that, in the Bet Shemesh cases, the chiloni and mamlachti-dati people were there first--it is the chareidim who are the newcomers. When a new arrival in the community complains that they can se the television through the window of someone who was there before them--and threatens violence if it is not removed--this is not a sign of mutual respect.
Can you wonder then that nobody wants to allow chareidim or their institutions into their neighborhoods?
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Sep 11, 2009 at 05:05 AM starwolf Says:
I find Yonason Herschlag's posts (107 in this case) to be inconsistent. He complains about lashon Hora and motzei shem ra, and then goes on to smear Hadassah Hospital without knowing any of the facts of how treatments were conducted.
Does Yonason Herschlag know which "experimental" treatments were used in this case? Does he know that anything developed in this"subsidy company" was used?
Of course, he does not, and if he did, is he capable of evaluating their possible effects in treating the problem? Does he have a medical degree? In fact, do any of the Rabbanim who evaluated the case and accuse the hospital of wrongdoing have any expertise in these matters?
This does not, of course, prevent them from accusing the hospital, in the worstr possible terms, of malfeasance.
A fine example for the rest of Clal Yisrael.
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Sep 11, 2009 at 01:20 AM Rosh B'Rosh Says:
Sad. sad, sad.
SAD to see someone who is supposed to be a "Rabbi" utilizing manipulative argument technics in order to portray a genuine jew in poor light.
SAD to see how in the same discussion this so called Rabbi will do both at once; first pitch the Chazon Ish against Rav Elyashev (in regards to the Halacha of being mechalel Shabbos for a Chiloni), than use Rav Elyashev (in regards kiruv - shivah stroy) just to make a point against Kraus. You can't pick and choose, Hoffman knows that the Chazon Ish was singular with his psak and it has not been accepted, but he still uses it as a tool to bury (Kardom Lachpoir) Kraus.
SAD to see how simple chazal's are being blatantly ignored to suit Hoffman's viewpoint. Rav Ada tore off the clothes of a (non-jewish) women wearing a red dress, on the street - in public. Halacha is not ruled by emotion, it's not meant to be tweaked in order to make yourself feel better.
Sorry, but after seeing this interview I have no respect for Rabbi Hoffman and the smoke screen he's hiding behind. Kraus, on the contrary, comes across surprisingly contained, not ashamed of his tradition, with true conviction and apt confidence in his actions. And he doesn't boast or portray himself as a posek or leader, just a modest, simple jew.
If his actions are right or wrong can be debated, but the fact that he is genuine and not manipulative or calculated as his interviewer, is pretty obvious to me.
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Sep 11, 2009 at 08:20 AM Yonason Herschlag Says:
“ Who determines what is immodest dress? I have seen women spit upon in Mea Shearim by thugs--women whose offense were sleeves halfway between shoulder and elbow.
We know of cases where women dressed modestly were driving through Ramat Bet Shemesh Bet were attacked. These were middle-aged religious women who do not go around with bare midriffs--and they were not driving through to provoke anyone. they were simply driving from Bet Shemesh to Ramat Bet Shemesh Alef. One is an MD who was dressed in a professional manner--I might add that many of her patients are Hareidim, so they can apparently get along with her if they need her services.
We know of cases where nmamlachti dati high-school gilrs were attacked in Ramat Bet Shemesh Bet on Shabbat. This girls were certainly dressed modestly--on any terms except Hareidi ones.
The neighborhoods in Israel are built very close together-in fact, right next to each other. The only way to get along with one another is to treat others with respect, and without violence. Keep in mind that, in the Bet Shemesh cases, the chiloni and mamlachti-dati people were there first--it is the chareidim who are the newcomers. When a new arrival in the community complains that they can se the television through the window of someone who was there before them--and threatens violence if it is not removed--this is not a sign of mutual respect.
Can you wonder then that nobody wants to allow chareidim or their institutions into their neighborhoods? ”
You are bringing up an issue which seems related to the topic of discussion, but in fact it is not. The topic of discussion is about Yolish Kraus' methods of fighting against chillel shabbas, against the abduction by the state of a charedi woman, and against a women reporter who came to Mea Sharim to incite with her immodest dress and then smear the charedim in the media. Rabbi Hoffman considers the methods of Yolish to be a chillel Hashem. And although I personally wouldn't suggest to anyone to contribute to the Jewish cause using Yolish's methods, his methods however have the backing of the rabbonem of Toldos Ahron and some of the rabbonem of the Eda, and it is not constructive to make a smear compaign against these fine yidden.
Now you bring up a non-related subject, of nut-cases dressed as charedim doing terrible things. Are you trying to suggest that Yolish and his comrades, and many other charedim are guilty for the crimes of a few lunatics dressed as charedim?
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Sep 11, 2009 at 08:37 AM Yonason Herschlag Says:
“ I find Yonason Herschlag's posts (107 in this case) to be inconsistent. He complains about lashon Hora and motzei shem ra, and then goes on to smear Hadassah Hospital without knowing any of the facts of how treatments were conducted.
Does Yonason Herschlag know which "experimental" treatments were used in this case? Does he know that anything developed in this"subsidy company" was used?
Of course, he does not, and if he did, is he capable of evaluating their possible effects in treating the problem? Does he have a medical degree? In fact, do any of the Rabbanim who evaluated the case and accuse the hospital of wrongdoing have any expertise in these matters?
This does not, of course, prevent them from accusing the hospital, in the worstr possible terms, of malfeasance.
A fine example for the rest of Clal Yisrael. ”
Would that Hadasah was run by orthodox yidden, there still would not be inconsistancy in my bringing to attention the dangers involved in using that hospital. It's not loshan hora to warn people about a danger. And there is another purpose involved here too. Understanding why the charedim were rioting. This is important, so that people shouldn't fall into the trap of believing the media's vilifications of the charedim. It is a severe sin to believe loshan hora against orthodox yidden.
Although you try to compare villification of Hadasah to the villification of the charedi community, in truth there is no comparison. Because the accusations against Hadasah have important reasons for being made, whereas, in contrast the accusations against the charedim have only one evil purpose - to sew hatred against the children of G-d.
All this is before we even take into account, that the doctors involved with this woman and her child, and the administrators of the hospital, are secular yidden - non-observant of torah. To demean them with no constructive purpose is not permitted, but it can not be equated with the numerous prohibitions of loshon hora that are only applicable to speaking against observant Jews.
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Sep 11, 2009 at 08:49 AM starwolf Says:
“ You are bringing up an issue which seems related to the topic of discussion, but in fact it is not. The topic of discussion is about Yolish Kraus' methods of fighting against chillel shabbas, against the abduction by the state of a charedi woman, and against a women reporter who came to Mea Sharim to incite with her immodest dress and then smear the charedim in the media. Rabbi Hoffman considers the methods of Yolish to be a chillel Hashem. And although I personally wouldn't suggest to anyone to contribute to the Jewish cause using Yolish's methods, his methods however have the backing of the rabbonem of Toldos Ahron and some of the rabbonem of the Eda, and it is not constructive to make a smear compaign against these fine yidden.
Now you bring up a non-related subject, of nut-cases dressed as charedim doing terrible things. Are you trying to suggest that Yolish and his comrades, and many other charedim are guilty for the crimes of a few lunatics dressed as charedim? ”
Yolish Kraus' methods are a chilul Hashem. If they have the backing of the Rabbanim of the Eida Hareidit- that does not change the fact of the chilul Hashem. Why do you think that we now see the Rabbanim of the Eida denouncing violence? It does not sound like "Reb" Yolish has their backing after all....
As far as your interpretation of events--they are your interpretation. The courts have yet to decide in the case of this woman--not that the Eida has a habit of of paying any attention at all to the decision of the courts. Nevertheless, they live in a State, and the State will enforce its laws.
As far as the "nut-cases" dressed as Hareidim--really? Has the Hareidi community condemned such actions? Or rather, do they come out in force to stop the police from making arrests in those cases? It is clear where their sympathy lies.
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Sep 11, 2009 at 09:22 AM Yonason Herschlag Says:
“ Yolish Kraus' methods are a chilul Hashem. If they have the backing of the Rabbanim of the Eida Hareidit- that does not change the fact of the chilul Hashem. Why do you think that we now see the Rabbanim of the Eida denouncing violence? It does not sound like "Reb" Yolish has their backing after all....
As far as your interpretation of events--they are your interpretation. The courts have yet to decide in the case of this woman--not that the Eida has a habit of of paying any attention at all to the decision of the courts. Nevertheless, they live in a State, and the State will enforce its laws.
As far as the "nut-cases" dressed as Hareidim--really? Has the Hareidi community condemned such actions? Or rather, do they come out in force to stop the police from making arrests in those cases? It is clear where their sympathy lies. ”
I know that in my community, the city of Betar, we had a couple rare instances of such lunatics, and the rabonem of the city worked together with the police to catch the culprits and put a stop to them.
But I'm sure these facts won't stop you from rationalizing whatever you want to believe.
And your statements about Yolish are motzie shem ra. He organizes peaceful demonstrations. There was nothing in his words that suggested that he supports violence, except if you consider spitting to be violent.
And everyone knows that Yolish has the backing of the rabbonem in Toldos Ahron. That is, everyone besides for those living in denial.
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Sep 11, 2009 at 10:08 AM Reuven Says:
The riots in Yerushalayim are a sad reality, but for those of us in the west (or in Eretz Yisrael, for that matter), it's an obligation to do everything we can to reverse the negative impact they're having. It's my obligation to try to be as big a Kiddush HaShem as possible, so yidden will see a different side. It could be going out of your way to say good shabbos to your non-observant neighbours, or to be friendly at the grocery store- or just smile! It's so easy, yet of extreme importance!
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Sep 11, 2009 at 02:50 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Sad. sad, sad.
SAD to see someone who is supposed to be a "Rabbi" utilizing manipulative argument technics in order to portray a genuine jew in poor light.
SAD to see how in the same discussion this so called Rabbi will do both at once; first pitch the Chazon Ish against Rav Elyashev (in regards to the Halacha of being mechalel Shabbos for a Chiloni), than use Rav Elyashev (in regards kiruv - shivah stroy) just to make a point against Kraus. You can't pick and choose, Hoffman knows that the Chazon Ish was singular with his psak and it has not been accepted, but he still uses it as a tool to bury (Kardom Lachpoir) Kraus.
SAD to see how simple chazal's are being blatantly ignored to suit Hoffman's viewpoint. Rav Ada tore off the clothes of a (non-jewish) women wearing a red dress, on the street - in public. Halacha is not ruled by emotion, it's not meant to be tweaked in order to make yourself feel better.
Sorry, but after seeing this interview I have no respect for Rabbi Hoffman and the smoke screen he's hiding behind. Kraus, on the contrary, comes across surprisingly contained, not ashamed of his tradition, with true conviction and apt confidence in his actions. And he doesn't boast or portray himself as a posek or leader, just a modest, simple jew.
If his actions are right or wrong can be debated, but the fact that he is genuine and not manipulative or calculated as his interviewer, is pretty obvious to me. ”
If Rav Ada knew the woman was non-Jewish he would not have done so. In fact if you learned the Gemara, you would know he regretted it later. Please do not misquote Chazal or take them out of context!
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Sep 12, 2009 at 12:14 PM starwolf Says:
“ I know that in my community, the city of Betar, we had a couple rare instances of such lunatics, and the rabonem of the city worked together with the police to catch the culprits and put a stop to them.
But I'm sure these facts won't stop you from rationalizing whatever you want to believe.
And your statements about Yolish are motzie shem ra. He organizes peaceful demonstrations. There was nothing in his words that suggested that he supports violence, except if you consider spitting to be violent.
And everyone knows that Yolish has the backing of the rabbonem in Toldos Ahron. That is, everyone besides for those living in denial.
”
How nice for you that you live in Betar, where you do not need to accomodate too many people who are different that you. How many chilonim or dati-leumi people live in Betar?
The rabbanim in Toldot Aharon also support the violence in Bet Shemesh by their people. Have you heard it condemned?
As far as non-violence goes- we have seen what happened in the recent demonstrations. They were by no means non-violent. And yes, by the way, I do regard spitting as violet, as well as filthy. Nice of you to defend such behavior.
And as far as motzei shem ra, I could say the same when doctors at Hadassah are called "Mengele" and " Nazi".
Using those terms to refer to fellow Jews is all right with you?
Is it all right with the Rabbanim of Toldot Aharon?
Do you really want to say that this did not happen, or that it was not sanctioned?
Denial is not a river in Egypt, it seems to run right through your posts.
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Sep 12, 2009 at 10:46 PM starwolf Says:
Yonasan Herschlag posted that:
"All this is before we even take into account, that the doctors involved with this woman and her child, and the administrators of the hospital, are secular yidden - non-observant of torah. To demean them with no constructive purpose is not permitted, but it can not be equated with the numerous prohibitions of loshon hora that are only applicable to speaking against observant Jews."
The prohibition of lashon hara applies to all. You think that mitzvot be-adam l'chavero apply only to Torah-observant Jews? No wonder nobody outside of your community wants anything to do with you.
How do you know that notne of the doctors at Hadassah are religious? Do you know them all?
For your information, (at least) one of the doctors maligned with the name "Mengele" is shomer mitzvot cadat v'cadin. How does that make you feel? how do you think that he feels? And I will tell you right now that he has saved more Jewish (and Hareidi) lives than you have--unless you share his profession.
That also applies to the secular doctors at Hadassah--even though you seem to think that lashon hora against them is perfectly permissible.
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Sep 21, 2009 at 03:20 PM reut Says:
The interviewing is amazing!!!!
good proofs and knowledge in the Tora, he didnt know what to do with all the rihgt claims...
well done!!
אני אכתוב גם בעברית כי האנגלית שלי לא עד כדי כך טובה...
אבל באמת כל הכבוד!! המראין ממש העמיד לו מראה מול הפרצוף והראה לו שאין לו ממש אידאולגיה וגם אם יש היא ולא קשורה ליהדות או להלכהבכלל!!
הוא בעצמו אמר בתחילת הראיון שבגיל 16 הוא הפסיק ללמוד בישיבה ויצא להרביץ לשוטרים ולשרוף פחים, אז לא ממש כדאי לצפות ממנו שיזכור איפה כתוב שחילול ה' נוגע רק לגוי
אולי יום אחד הוא יבין שהדרך שבה הוא מתנהג גורמת לעוד ועוד יהודים להתרחק מהיהדות ומכל מה (לפחות בישראל לפי מה שאני רואה)שהיא מייצגת
פשוט חבל!!