“ Why a white won't marry a black has nothing to do with racism. The same white won't marry another white, who doesn't share the same culture & set of mannors & customs.
Not all people nor all nations were created the same.
People should try to get on as well as possible, but why force people into situations that are unbearable?
Imagine you grew up the first 10 years of your life, in Boston in an ultra religious but Modern Orthodox affiliated home. Would you at Bar Mitzvah be able to enroll in your clothing with your background & language to Kiryas Yoel Yeshiva? Would you even dream of it? Imagine they would accept you, how long would it last ? how depressed would you be?
In my opinion calling this racism & going to court about it is unfair, could these kids really succeed in such a different enviroment, can you force this integration? what happens when the kid missbehaves, because he feels he doesn't belong?
What happens when he starts up with other kids for that very reason? & then when one mother after another sends a note asking her kid sit as far away from that kid or go to another parallel?
Is it fair to call it racism & fight it in this manner? is it fair to your own poor little kid?
Boruch Hashem the Sefardim have their own Talmud Torahs who cater to their needs, just like the so called Litaim [ Litvaks who just molded themselves that way over the last half century] & all types of Chasidim have their own.
Forcing this and calling it racism, really needs another fair look.
Not to say that when I was a kid & the kehilla was samll we wearn't made up of all types in school, but it had it's fair share of problems too. ”

“ Can anybody explain me, how come the Sephardim don't run their own school system and yeshiva's, since they have different minhagim and learning level?

Why are we trying to mix two cultures together, we also run, litfishe, chassidishe, sephardishe, modern orthodox, Etc. yeshivas separately, but when a chasidish bochur wants to study in a litfsh yeshiva, we don't discriminate..... ”

“ Can anybody explain me, how come the Sephardim don't run their own school system and yeshiva's, since they have different minhagim and learning level?

Why are we trying to mix two cultures together, we also run, litfishe, chassidishe, sephardishe, modern orthodox, Etc. yeshivas separately, but when a chasidish bochur wants to study in a litfsh yeshiva, we don't discriminate..... ”

“ Your comparing Blacks & Whites not intermarrying is silly if not stupid. First of all, we are Jews and should be above any ahte and racism, regardless of if it exists elsewhere. Aside from that, there is no connection, have you heard of a school or university of Non-Jews who does not accept whites or Blacks? The answer is almost never.
No one is asking you to marry them, but the world is full of different types of people, better get used to it fast. Learning in class with someone a bit different is not pushing it. Maybe put all blond kids in one class, and not "force this" as you say? Over all, all religious Jews have the same needs and wants and we should be able to work and learn together.
Your comparison to Kiryat Yoel is sillier. These Sephardic young children are the children of Avreichem, many of them, who pray at the same places, eat the same food, dress the same way and act the same way. Fact is, the few that get accepted do very well. Don't attempt to excuse this, we need a total outcry! ”

“ My comparisons are perfect.
I actually dormed in the Mir with Israeli Sefardi roomates, some were OK, others had such a different culture, that it was murder.
Imagine you roomate not wearing socks & not washing his feet smoking with his half religious freinds in your dorm room sitting on the fllor with a mat eating aish tanur with chumus when you are trying to sleep showing regard or remourse for you.
Why ? becase that is how he grew what he did at home, he can't understand how it could possibly disturb me, and won't even consider acomodating me, he looks at me as if I have serious problems that smoking smelly feet & eating that strong garlic stuff in that manor puke me. Is that a recipe for getting on? However between his type of sefardim that behavior is acceptable, are you going to force it on me?
In a school class with little kids, these things clash,they are living & being babysitted together the same way they do in a dorm room or bedroom. They don't specialy clash learning or davening in the same beis Hamedrash, hearing a shiur of a Gadol, or lehavdil watching basket ball in a hotel lobby or going to a lecture in a college.
If you don't see the difference you obviously never experienced it.
I remember a kid in school that no kid would sit next to, he had serious problems, & mothers didn't want their kids to suffer or get damaged, so we all got notes not letting us sit next to him, imagine how the rebbe had to deal with it.[he did have some Boy to boy problems which were knowen later in life, I guess in his case our mothers may have known and didn't want to explain it to us openly so they just made sure we stayed away.]
You can not force people & cultures together and expect people to be happy.
No way did I ever say that we are not one nation klal Yisroel, I was talking about the topic of forced relationship of different cultures which is doomed to fail.
I remember one of the Rabonim of Moroco's kids learned in the same Yeshiva as me more tyhan one of my yeshivos, I don't know where he is today, but he was a Masmid, Oived Hashem, Tzadik , Ball Midos & a real Ball Chein. I will be honest I never dormed with him, had I he may not have been a problem, being the person he was, even though alittle younger than myself I would stand up for him.
No way am I a racist I know the pain of being forced together & would never wish it on a kid, sefardi or aschkenazi.
Now you Ashkenazi try to get your kid in to a Serian School in the US. ”

“ Welcome to the real world. We cant chose who we are surrounded by! How much of a baby are you that you feel your roomate shouldnt eat something that bothered you? OK, you are jewish, and do not like a certain type of Jew, and it is ok, BUT, when 10,000 obnoxious Syrians invade my town every year and I complain I am an anti-semite?? Just another double standard, huh? ”

“ I believe that the Kaplan name is Turkish for the animal - Panther. Is this correct. Therefore, Kaplans all originated in Spain then were exiles to Turkey and eventually went north to Europe. Is this correct? ”

“ This is not a new phenomenon. Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan’s zt”l grandfather changed his name to Kaplan from Carmona after arriving in America to more easily integrate into the Ashkenazi world. ”

“ What is wrong with sefardic schools that makes parents so insistent upon sending their children to ashkenazi ones? ”

“ not too long ago jews in the USA would change their names to WASP sounding names in order to be admitted to college or professional schools...

the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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“ Can anybody explain me, how come the Sephardim don't run their own school system and yeshiva's, since they have different minhagim and learning level?

Why are we trying to mix two cultures together, we also run, litfishe, chassidishe, sephardishe, modern orthodox, Etc. yeshivas separately, but when a chasidish bochur wants to study in a litfsh yeshiva, we don't discriminate..... ”

“ My comparisons are perfect.
I actually dormed in the Mir with Israeli Sefardi roomates, some were OK, others had such a different culture, that it was murder.
Imagine you roomate not wearing socks & not washing his feet smoking with his half religious freinds in your dorm room sitting on the fllor with a mat eating aish tanur with chumus when you are trying to sleep showing regard or remourse for you.
Why ? becase that is how he grew what he did at home, he can't understand how it could possibly disturb me, and won't even consider acomodating me, he looks at me as if I have serious problems that smoking smelly feet & eating that strong garlic stuff in that manor puke me. Is that a recipe for getting on? However between his type of sefardim that behavior is acceptable, are you going to force it on me?
In a school class with little kids, these things clash,they are living & being babysitted together the same way they do in a dorm room or bedroom. They don't specialy clash learning or davening in the same beis Hamedrash, hearing a shiur of a Gadol, or lehavdil watching basket ball in a hotel lobby or going to a lecture in a college.
If you don't see the difference you obviously never experienced it.
I remember a kid in school that no kid would sit next to, he had serious problems, & mothers didn't want their kids to suffer or get damaged, so we all got notes not letting us sit next to him, imagine how the rebbe had to deal with it.[he did have some Boy to boy problems which were knowen later in life, I guess in his case our mothers may have known and didn't want to explain it to us openly so they just made sure we stayed away.]
You can not force people & cultures together and expect people to be happy.
No way did I ever say that we are not one nation klal Yisroel, I was talking about the topic of forced relationship of different cultures which is doomed to fail.
I remember one of the Rabonim of Moroco's kids learned in the same Yeshiva as me more tyhan one of my yeshivos, I don't know where he is today, but he was a Masmid, Oived Hashem, Tzadik , Ball Midos & a real Ball Chein. I will be honest I never dormed with him, had I he may not have been a problem, being the person he was, even though alittle younger than myself I would stand up for him.
No way am I a racist I know the pain of being forced together & would never wish it on a kid, sefardi or aschkenazi.
Now you Ashkenazi try to get your kid in to a Serian School in the US. ”

“ My comparisons are perfect.
I actually dormed in the Mir with Israeli Sefardi roomates, some were OK, others had such a different culture, that it was murder.
Imagine you roomate not wearing socks & not washing his feet smoking with his half religious freinds in your dorm room sitting on the fllor with a mat eating aish tanur with chumus when you are trying to sleep showing regard or remourse for you.
Why ? becase that is how he grew what he did at home, he can't understand how it could possibly disturb me, and won't even consider acomodating me, he looks at me as if I have serious problems that smoking smelly feet & eating that strong garlic stuff in that manor puke me. Is that a recipe for getting on? However between his type of sefardim that behavior is acceptable, are you going to force it on me?
In a school class with little kids, these things clash,they are living & being babysitted together the same way they do in a dorm room or bedroom. They don't specialy clash learning or davening in the same beis Hamedrash, hearing a shiur of a Gadol, or lehavdil watching basket ball in a hotel lobby or going to a lecture in a college.
If you don't see the difference you obviously never experienced it.
I remember a kid in school that no kid would sit next to, he had serious problems, & mothers didn't want their kids to suffer or get damaged, so we all got notes not letting us sit next to him, imagine how the rebbe had to deal with it.[he did have some Boy to boy problems which were knowen later in life, I guess in his case our mothers may have known and didn't want to explain it to us openly so they just made sure we stayed away.]
You can not force people & cultures together and expect people to be happy.
No way did I ever say that we are not one nation klal Yisroel, I was talking about the topic of forced relationship of different cultures which is doomed to fail.
I remember one of the Rabonim of Moroco's kids learned in the same Yeshiva as me more tyhan one of my yeshivos, I don't know where he is today, but he was a Masmid, Oived Hashem, Tzadik , Ball Midos & a real Ball Chein. I will be honest I never dormed with him, had I he may not have been a problem, being the person he was, even though alittle younger than myself I would stand up for him.
No way am I a racist I know the pain of being forced together & would never wish it on a kid, sefardi or aschkenazi.
Now you Ashkenazi try to get your kid in to a Serian School in the US. ”

“ rabbi bitton had to close the yeshive he opened for sefardim because no sefardi wanted their child to go there, I asked a few of them why and they ALL said because he's morrocan. seems they hate each other more then any ashkenazi could. ”

“ Young children do not know the difference between black, tan, yellow, white, sephardi, ashkenazi, morrocan, syrian, etc. They also do not hate someone else bbecause their skin color is different or they are of a different national or ethnic background. It is adults who teach them to hate and fear differences. Students of all different backgrounds should be taught together. An important part of a child's education is to learn to respect and get along with people who are different than they are. Learning about and respecting other cultures doesn't have to mean giving up your own culture and traditions. The excuses being made for keeping people apart because of different minhagim are pathetic attempts to cover up what, at its core, is racism. It's wrong and has no place in judaism. ”

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Imagine today if the Ramnbam lived in Bnei Brak. He wouldn't get his children into any school.

While in yeshiva of Philadelphia in the 60s there were a few Sephardi boys. They were the nicest boys in the yeshiva.

On the flip side Ovadia Yosef's children all learned in litveshe yeshivas even though he is the biggest Sephardi nationalist. ”

“ Can anybody explain me, how come the Sephardim don't run their own school system and yeshiva's, since they have different minhagim and learning level?

Why are we trying to mix two cultures together, we also run, litfishe, chassidishe, sephardishe, modern orthodox, Etc. yeshivas separately, but when a chasidish bochur wants to study in a litfsh yeshiva, we don't discriminate..... ”