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Washington - President Barack Obama has decided to nominate Chai Feldblum, a Georgetown University law professor who has advocated for flexibility in the workplace and for expanded rights for gays and lesbians, to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission , the White House said Monday.

She is a former legislative counsel to the American Civil Liberties Union’s AIDS Project, where she helped draft the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, the White House said.

If confirmed by the Senate, Feldblum would fill one of five seats on the commission. The positions are full-time. In May, Obama announced Jacqueline Berrien, associate director-counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, as his choice for EEOC chair. Berrien is awaiting confirmation.

According to Professor Feldblum Committee on the Judiciary testimony  on 05/12/99 she said that she grew up in an Orthodox Jewish home in Washington Heights in NYC, and comes from a long line of Orthodox Jewish rabbis.

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She studied at Yeshiva University High School for girls in Manhattan, majored in Ancient Studies and Religion at Barnard College, and considered becoming a Talmudic scholar prior to choosing the fields of law and politics. She considers her work to be inspired by Jewish values and ethics. She was one of the plenary speakers at World Pride in Jerusalem.


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1

 Sep 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM Anonymous Says:

How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Till onsma will not take a satmar woman its not news worthy.look! Every human beings is created equal so everyone deserved it.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 11:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM Betrayal Says:

a horribly sick betrayal of True Torah Orthodoxy!

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Betrayal Says:

a horribly sick betrayal of True Torah Orthodoxy!

what is the betrayal exactly?
How do you know whart "true torah orthodoxy" is?
Did you know that the word orthodox didnt even exist in the jewish lexicon until very recently?

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM Josh Says:

Where is satmar come in to the picture ?

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:52 PM Frum Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

Shame on you too. CHILUL HASHEM means nothing for you!

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM PMO Says:

Let's remember that in this is a secular society where we have to work with people of all different "types". This woman has a remarkable record of service. She fights for people like us who have to work in secular businesses. She fights to make it difficult for companies to fire us for being shomer mitzvos. She has been a strong advocate for non-discrimination for religious practice in the workplace.

Just so you have a bit of background on her:
1. She was one of the attorneys who worked with Congress to draft the Americans with Disabilities Act.
2. She was one of the drafters of the Employment Nondiscrimination Act
3. She was one of the drafters of laws which eventually became HIPAA

While I believe that companies should have the right to choose who they want to hire and not hire by any criteria they see fit, they don't have that right. The laws are unfortunately setup with protections. However, most of the protections she has fought for are "common sense" protections that most rational people would hope companies would just adopt on their own anyway. Therefore, nobody really fights back against them.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:49 PM You are right Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

Who cares about what Hashem wants and what His Torah says. She must be smarter than God because she has a degree. Hashem should help her do Teshuvah.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

the truth should not be construed as a vile and hateful comment..
i can never tell if these foolish comments are just meant to provoke.
on the off chance that you were serious , see below where feldblum acknowledges her sexual orientation and the fact that she was FORMERLY orthodox. to her credit , her orthodox background is responsible for her unpopular stance in the gay community of insisting that peoples religious convictions are respected . SEE BELOW
Feldblum, who described herself as a practicing lesbian, said she is against the gay community’s lack of respect forreligious people’s values.
As a former Orthodox Jew and daughter of a rabbi, Feldblum said she understands being religious means engaging in certain conducts.“My sense of being religious completely intertwined with conduct that I did as a religious Jew,” she said.
“If someonehad told me that I could be a religiously firm Jew but I couldn’t engage in certain conduct or I had to engage in certain conduct – like I had to turn on the light on Shabbos (weekly Sabbath or day of rest in Judaism) – ‘What is the big deal you are just turning on the light on Shabbos?’
“Ok, let me tell you for a firm Jew if you do not turn on the light for Shabbos. That’s a sin,” she said.
“Nor do youfacilitate someone else who is Jewish to turn on the light. That’s a sin.”
As a result of her own former religious background, Feldblum said she “can’t stand” those in the gay community that say people of faith should “just get over it” when it comes to performing a legal action that goes against their values,such as a county clerk who believes homosexuality is a sin making a marriage license for a gay couple.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:44 PM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

what is the betrayal exactly?
How do you know whart "true torah orthodoxy" is?
Did you know that the word orthodox didnt even exist in the jewish lexicon until very recently?

"Orthodox" is from Greek! But so are "Sanhedrin" and "Synagogue".

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Homosexuality is against jewish law - and there is only one jewish law - the torah. The torah specifically prohibits homosexuality. There isnt even a question. If she is a lesbian she is not a religous jew according to any reading of torah, be it a strict or orthodox reading, or even lehavdil, a reconstructionist reading. there can not be two interpretations.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:38 PM bro Says:

I'd rather have an Italian fellow with with good ol' family values fill the post.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

what do her qualifications and honor bestowed upon her have to do with her being religious?

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:00 PM Anonymous Says:

It's very nice that Dr. Feldblum is being appointed to such an important post. However, the Torah does say that gay partnerships are an abomination.period! To say you grew up in an Orthodox setting and are descended from distinguished rabbis-and then be a vocal proponent of gay/lesbian rights is pretty much a contradiction. All we see here is another case of a misguided, liberal Jew who is obviously convinced she is doing good in the world...very sad.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:00 PM eva Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

what is the betrayal exactly?
How do you know whart "true torah orthodoxy" is?
Did you know that the word orthodox didnt even exist in the jewish lexicon until very recently?

thas because all jews used to be orthodox. a distinction wasn't necessary.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:59 PM semantics Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

what is the betrayal exactly?
How do you know whart "true torah orthodoxy" is?
Did you know that the word orthodox didnt even exist in the jewish lexicon until very recently?

If you want me to set the parameters for the words “True Torah Orthodoxy” then I will. Truth by definition is something correct. Orthodoxy is the traditional established prevailing belief. Traditional / Established belief in what? TORAH… So what is her betrayal?
Her betrayal is of the “correct established belief in the Torah” which has been passed on for generations. This means accepting the 613 Mitzvot and believing the Torah to be true. NOT changing or altering this to include your 21st century ideological norms! Can you really convince me that toeva lifestyles were accepted by your grandparents generation? So not only people like her betray HKBH but they betray our ancestors!

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:59 PM eva Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

the bar is not the standard we hold ourselves to. hashem is. sh pubicy lves a life the torah calls an abomination and advpocaed it n yerushalayim no less. she abandoned the way o life her parents raised her in. she is politically just another jewish lefty liberal on his team like rahm emanuel and she's no feather in OUR cap.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM srgnmb Says:

do you have proof of all this do you know her family personlly

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

what is the betrayal exactly?
How do you know whart "true torah orthodoxy" is?
Did you know that the word orthodox didnt even exist in the jewish lexicon until very recently?

Do you know why Orthodoxy didn't come into the lexicon until recently? Because up until the haskalah and the advent of Reform and Conservative "Judaism" there was no need for such a term. You were either mitzvah observant like the rest of klal yisroel or you were part of a small (in comparison to today) fringe that went off the derech. It is because of the not frum Jews that we need a term to distinguish ourselves.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

what is the betrayal exactly?
How do you know whart "true torah orthodoxy" is?
Did you know that the word orthodox didnt even exist in the jewish lexicon until very recently?

lol!!! I should be crying but it feels better to laugh.....
Orthodox would mean observant which would mean following halacha to the best of ones ability and where necessary to consult with a Rabbi that is well versed in the law who can answer your question. Why don't you just call it anything you like? All who try to be torah observant know what it means. Is it possible that you aren't and therefore you are confused by the term? That's ok, you don't have to be observant, but why instigate argument for the sake of argument?

22

 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Homosexuality is against jewish law - and there is only one jewish law - the torah. The torah specifically prohibits homosexuality. There isnt even a question. If she is a lesbian she is not a religous jew according to any reading of torah, be it a strict or orthodox reading, or even lehavdil, a reconstructionist reading. there can not be two interpretations.

So am i not religious because i am not married?
FYI you presumably do aveiros too - does it make you not religious if you do something against the torah?
If you are that perfect, then you dont even need to observe rh this week or fast on yom kippur!

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:

No where in the article does it say she is a lesbian?? So why are all of you going crazy? It just says she fights for their (lesbians/gays) rights in employment etc....

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Charlie Hall Says:

"Orthodox" is from Greek! But so are "Sanhedrin" and "Synagogue".

"Orthodox" only came about as a term for traditional jews when the new movements of conservative and reform took steam, and a wordf was needed to describe the traditional / "observant" religious jews.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:04 PM KH Says:

Reply to #8  
PMO Says:

Let's remember that in this is a secular society where we have to work with people of all different "types". This woman has a remarkable record of service. She fights for people like us who have to work in secular businesses. She fights to make it difficult for companies to fire us for being shomer mitzvos. She has been a strong advocate for non-discrimination for religious practice in the workplace.

Just so you have a bit of background on her:
1. She was one of the attorneys who worked with Congress to draft the Americans with Disabilities Act.
2. She was one of the drafters of the Employment Nondiscrimination Act
3. She was one of the drafters of laws which eventually became HIPAA

While I believe that companies should have the right to choose who they want to hire and not hire by any criteria they see fit, they don't have that right. The laws are unfortunately setup with protections. However, most of the protections she has fought for are "common sense" protections that most rational people would hope companies would just adopt on their own anyway. Therefore, nobody really fights back against them.

we had so much inbreeding in our small communities in easter europe with cousins marrying cousins all the time that we have such a huge population in our community of poeple with disabilities and debilitating conditions.
their lives and the lives of their families were helped made easier by the hard work of Chai Feldblum.
Thats a kidduch hashem in my book.

26

 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Frum Says:

Shame on you too. CHILUL HASHEM means nothing for you!

except that the anonymous disgusting comment is in itself a chilul hashem and puts jews in a bad light as anyone in the entire world can read this comments and develop a false negative impression and atitude.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

Why are you (a "supposedly" frum person) to CURSE another Jew with a hateful pronouncement when that blogger said NOTHING hateful at all. All the blogger said was the woman is a practicing homosexual and is not "halachically" frum. Where is the hatespeach in that? Is calling the kettle black an act of evil in your eyes? Is speaking the truth cause for condemnation?

28

 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:14 PM Baruch Says:

Her religious and sexual orientation aside, she was nominated by the Obama administration. 'Nuf said.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:29 PM mark levin Says:

I'm sure the yeshiva she graduated from must be very proud of its alumni

30

 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Why are you (a "supposedly" frum person) to CURSE another Jew with a hateful pronouncement when that blogger said NOTHING hateful at all. All the blogger said was the woman is a practicing homosexual and is not "halachically" frum. Where is the hatespeach in that? Is calling the kettle black an act of evil in your eyes? Is speaking the truth cause for condemnation?

When a jewish woman gets nominated for such a high position in recognition of her intellectual and professional achievements, her sexual orientation is irrelevant. she was not nominated for a beis din or any religioous function. Why would anyone care about her lifestyle. To me, the comment IS vile and hateful and shows intolerance for all to see.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

So am i not religious because i am not married?
FYI you presumably do aveiros too - does it make you not religious if you do something against the torah?
If you are that perfect, then you dont even need to observe rh this week or fast on yom kippur!

If you refuse to get married you are refusing to follow the torah. If you havent gotten married yet but B'H you want to then there is no issue. If you dont follow the torah then you are not a religous person. What is the question. And homosexuality is specifically proscribed, much different from an aveira, which everyone commits. And we have Yom ha Din to repent.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

If you were honest, you would agree that her sexual preferences is exactly what got her the position as part of the President's agenda to legitimatize gays a a distinct race. And if she is hired specifically of this lifestyle, there is no question that she as an agenda and will seek not equal but rather preferential treatment for those with sexual deviencies.

33

 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:22 PM Ira Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Do you know why Orthodoxy didn't come into the lexicon until recently? Because up until the haskalah and the advent of Reform and Conservative "Judaism" there was no need for such a term. You were either mitzvah observant like the rest of klal yisroel or you were part of a small (in comparison to today) fringe that went off the derech. It is because of the not frum Jews that we need a term to distinguish ourselves.

Technically correct. However, saying only a "small fringe went off the derech" is a bit much. Shoftim is replete with stories of how the Jews at the time, if not "off the derech" certainly did not practice judaism as we do today, and in many cases were actually ignorant of basic Jewish practices. Certainly during the time of the Neviim and while the First Bais Hamikdosh was standing you had a large proportion of Jews "off the then derech", including many of the Kings themselves. During the Second Bais Hamikdosh, you had the split between the Tzdokim and Perushim - not to mention the Misyavnim. Indeed, it would appear that the only time there was only a small fringe that went off the derech was when the Jews were hampered economically and socially by the Ghettos. Otherwise, at any time of Jewish independence or when they were granted economic freedom or freedom of association, large sections of Klal Yisroel went off the Derech.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

"Orthodox" only came about as a term for traditional jews when the new movements of conservative and reform took steam, and a wordf was needed to describe the traditional / "observant" religious jews.

you can't even call yourself "traditional" anymore... the conservatives have co-opted that term.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

If you refuse to get married you are refusing to follow the torah. If you havent gotten married yet but B'H you want to then there is no issue. If you dont follow the torah then you are not a religous person. What is the question. And homosexuality is specifically proscribed, much different from an aveira, which everyone commits. And we have Yom ha Din to repent.

its something like everything else. a lav is a lav. you commit an aveira too.

36

 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

If you refuse to get married you are refusing to follow the torah. If you havent gotten married yet but B'H you want to then there is no issue. If you dont follow the torah then you are not a religous person. What is the question. And homosexuality is specifically proscribed, much different from an aveira, which everyone commits. And we have Yom ha Din to repent.

who made you posek? judge jury and executioner?

please.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:58 PM Shimon Says:

Just another Obama appointee with high-profile liberal credentials, whom the secular media can use words like "Orthodox" and "observant" to try to falsely promote the worldliness and openness of this dangerous administration. The prez can hide behind the cover of such chachomim as Emanuael, Axelrod, Feldblum, and others, but he doesn't fool me or others out there. Sadly, most Jews eat this up and shep naches.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:52 PM shame on you Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

Apparently you have greater concern for her family than she does. Any pain caused by the comments here , pale in comparrison to the pain she has already caused her loved ones. If she had any concern for her family she wouldn't make a public spectacle of herself, nor would she agree to serve an admistration that is doing everything in its power to make life difficult for our brothers and sisters in Israel.She hasn't got a decent bone in her body

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:52 PM Anonymous Says:

correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt only male homosexuality banned by the torah outright. lesbianism is not directly banned by the torah. Im not saying its not an obimination, but technically, halachically, it should be muter, right?

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:51 PM Barzilai Says:

1. Female homosexuality is not called an abomination in the Torah. If it is biblically prohibited, it would be on the basis of "ke'ma'asei Eretz Mitzrayim."
2. The word is alumna, not alumni. Feminine singular. And she is certainly a singular feminine.
3. If she considers herself "formerly Orthodox," that means that she still has a kesher to our mesora, and was drawn away either by her 'orientation', which is not uncommon, or by her drive to succeed, also not uncommon.
4. There are plenty of smokers and others with inappropriate habits out there who know they should stop, both ahl pi halacha and ahl pi seichel, and they don't stop anyway. The Yeitzer Hara is a very powerful enemy, and during Elul it would be smarter to recognize where we have failed, rather than pointing fingers at others who nebach weren't omeid be'nisayon.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Ira Says:

Technically correct. However, saying only a "small fringe went off the derech" is a bit much. Shoftim is replete with stories of how the Jews at the time, if not "off the derech" certainly did not practice judaism as we do today, and in many cases were actually ignorant of basic Jewish practices. Certainly during the time of the Neviim and while the First Bais Hamikdosh was standing you had a large proportion of Jews "off the then derech", including many of the Kings themselves. During the Second Bais Hamikdosh, you had the split between the Tzdokim and Perushim - not to mention the Misyavnim. Indeed, it would appear that the only time there was only a small fringe that went off the derech was when the Jews were hampered economically and socially by the Ghettos. Otherwise, at any time of Jewish independence or when they were granted economic freedom or freedom of association, large sections of Klal Yisroel went off the Derech.

Ira,don't read into the comments of #20 so much, he/she was just trying to bring out a point. He was just saying that comparatively, todays' numbers are much higher ratio-wise.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Why are you (a "supposedly" frum person) to CURSE another Jew with a hateful pronouncement when that blogger said NOTHING hateful at all. All the blogger said was the woman is a practicing homosexual and is not "halachically" frum. Where is the hatespeach in that? Is calling the kettle black an act of evil in your eyes? Is speaking the truth cause for condemnation?

If the comment was simply a factual statement that causes no hurt or pain to Ms. Feldman, than the author should have no worries since he will also be blessed by hashem with the same positive vibes

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:26 PM Anonymous Says:

you guys are all close minded. you live in a box. you think everyone who doesnt look like your box is nothing. wake up there is a big world out there, yes there are frum yidden who dont look like you. stop being spiritially arrogant.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:38 PM Anonymous Says:

I'm sure Obama didn't chose her based on VIN's qualifications for government or academic posts. No one cares what her ethnic or religious background is and it's not a qualifier for important positions. She rose to the position because of her legal and academic background and expertise something that most of VIN readers don't care about.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

Her orientation has a great deal to due with her appoinment. it makes her decidely biased. As for causing shame to her and her family, I'm sorry the writer caused no pain or suffering, Professor Feldblum did that her self, she has chosen the derech she follows. She knows better having come from a "long line of Orthodox Jewish Rabbis"

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:16 PM Malki Says:

You are all just jealous because you could not get into Barnard and Harvard Law School

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:15 PM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Homosexuality is against jewish law - and there is only one jewish law - the torah. The torah specifically prohibits homosexuality. There isnt even a question. If she is a lesbian she is not a religous jew according to any reading of torah, be it a strict or orthodox reading, or even lehavdil, a reconstructionist reading. there can not be two interpretations.

Actually the Torah does not explictly prohibit female homosexuality.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Homosexuality is against jewish law - and there is only one jewish law - the torah. The torah specifically prohibits homosexuality. There isnt even a question. If she is a lesbian she is not a religous jew according to any reading of torah, be it a strict or orthodox reading, or even lehavdil, a reconstructionist reading. there can not be two interpretations.

If there is only one Jewish law (I think you meant one source) and that source is the Torah, then I think you need to correct yourself since only a man lying with a man as if he was a woman is assur. Not a word is mention about a woman lying with a woman.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:53 PM PMO Says:

Wow. You have no class at all do you. You would spread L"H about her dead family members? What do they have to do with this? They are not part of this story, and you clearly have personal resentment toward these people. I would seriously ask VIN to delete your post as it is very easy for anyone to figure out who (by name) you are talking about.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:57 PM Anonymous Says:

What makes you a judge of wwho is and who is not an apikorus?

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

You show who you are by your compassionate answer to someone with whom you disagree. I wish the same on you.

At the end of the day this site is oriented to religious Jews who know that homo-sexuality is an abomination because that is what it says in the Torah, so... if she promotes alternate lifestyles or lives one she should be denounced by us.

I would love to steal, would you be so generous if I was caught stealing because I am naturally inclined to do so? Why are you so tolerant of that one aveirah?

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 01:35 PM me Says:

Reply to #28  
Baruch Says:

Her religious and sexual orientation aside, she was nominated by the Obama administration. 'Nuf said.

good point. actually a much better appointment than his last two czars who are pretty much confirmed socialists. she is more of a simple liberal. Not a radical. At least taht is what we know so far.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 02:50 PM Ira Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

Ira,don't read into the comments of #20 so much, he/she was just trying to bring out a point. He was just saying that comparatively, todays' numbers are much higher ratio-wise.

I understand and perhaps I was reading more into what he said. My point however, was that historically, today's "off the derech numbers" may actually be about average, if not lower than in years past, and to imply that before the Haskala all Jews were "observant" (for want of a better word) is incorrect. That is not to say we shouldn't do anything about it, just that we shouldn't ignore the historical record.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

If you refuse to get married you are refusing to follow the torah. If you havent gotten married yet but B'H you want to then there is no issue. If you dont follow the torah then you are not a religous person. What is the question. And homosexuality is specifically proscribed, much different from an aveira, which everyone commits. And we have Yom ha Din to repent.

Jewish law doesnt required women to marry. Additionally, its VERY questionable whether according to the torah homosexuality is sinful for women.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:59 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt only male homosexuality banned by the torah outright. lesbianism is not directly banned by the torah. Im not saying its not an obimination, but technically, halachically, it should be muter, right?

It is a gemara in nida, and a se'if in shulchan aruch, I believe Even Haezer, somewhere in the beginning but I don't remember where. So no, it is NOT mutar

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Barzilai Says:

1. Female homosexuality is not called an abomination in the Torah. If it is biblically prohibited, it would be on the basis of "ke'ma'asei Eretz Mitzrayim."
2. The word is alumna, not alumni. Feminine singular. And she is certainly a singular feminine.
3. If she considers herself "formerly Orthodox," that means that she still has a kesher to our mesora, and was drawn away either by her 'orientation', which is not uncommon, or by her drive to succeed, also not uncommon.
4. There are plenty of smokers and others with inappropriate habits out there who know they should stop, both ahl pi halacha and ahl pi seichel, and they don't stop anyway. The Yeitzer Hara is a very powerful enemy, and during Elul it would be smarter to recognize where we have failed, rather than pointing fingers at others who nebach weren't omeid be'nisayon.

Well said! As far as point 4 goes, you can add lashon hara, envy, questionable business practices, etc.! People are not perfect; at least she recognizes her shortcomings and is not embarrassed to announce it to the world. Would any of you announce what you do wrong publicly or even privately to one person? Don't judge others.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:58 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

When a jewish woman gets nominated for such a high position in recognition of her intellectual and professional achievements, her sexual orientation is irrelevant. she was not nominated for a beis din or any religioous function. Why would anyone care about her lifestyle. To me, the comment IS vile and hateful and shows intolerance for all to see.

I don't know; I'm shocked. A Jew can either be a kiddush Hashem or chilul Hashem. She may not be running for beis din, but people see her and say "that is a good Jew", and that is really not a good thing.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

from your comment one can see that you have nothing to do with orthodox or re jews
your comment was very painfull

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:55 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Homosexuality is against jewish law - and there is only one jewish law - the torah. The torah specifically prohibits homosexuality. There isnt even a question. If she is a lesbian she is not a religous jew according to any reading of torah, be it a strict or orthodox reading, or even lehavdil, a reconstructionist reading. there can not be two interpretations.

There is no question that it is assur, but you should know that it is assur mederabanan, (nashim hamesolelos), and second of all, when one does an aveira, they can still be religious. Yisrael af al pi shechata yisrael hu. Do you speak lashon hara? THAT is deoraisa. Do you still consider yourself frum?

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:53 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

what is the betrayal exactly?
How do you know whart "true torah orthodoxy" is?
Did you know that the word orthodox didnt even exist in the jewish lexicon until very recently?

Really, is that a relevant point? The bottom line is, call it what you want, she is a chilul Hashem. The person may not know true torah orthodoxy, but this is certainly not torah true. So stop playing word games.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:51 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

To wish a curse on them is disgusting, and who really cares that she is recognized by the president if she makes a chilul HASHEM? Really, come on, what is the comparison? We don't care how good an educator is when a person is a chilul hashem, which she is. That having been said, perhaps she shouldn't be commented on negatively, but certainly not positively either!

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:45 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

While you are right that we may not have a right to make comments about her, 1)I think that your curse is really disgusting, and 2) Who cares that she was recognized by the bar for her scholarship and "excellence"? In what? We aren't impressed by people being recognized by the bar or being recognized by the president, when they are a walking chilul Hashem, advocating for gays and lesbians. You must be one of those people who thinks that secular recognition is more important than keeping mitzvos. Oh well, what can you do, can't win them all.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

If there is only one Jewish law (I think you meant one source) and that source is the Torah, then I think you need to correct yourself since only a man lying with a man as if he was a woman is assur. Not a word is mention about a woman lying with a woman.

She publicly promotes the gay lifestyle so she is clearly anti torah. Being a lesbian you are mevatel the mitzva of pru urvu which is the first mitzva in the sefer hachiniuch and bitul asai is just as serious as being over an aveirah. There are also opinions that being a lesbian is included in "kmaasei eretz mitzrayim"

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:23 PM Anonymous Says:

For the ignoramous who have stated that lesbian relationships are not prohibited by the torah, I refer you to the Rambam, Hilchos Isurei Biah, 21:8, where he says:

נשים המסוללות זו בזו--אסור, וממעשה מצריים הוא שהוזהרנו עליו: שנאמר "כמעשה ארץ מצריים . . . לא תעשו" (ויקרא יח,ג); ואמרו חכמים, מה היו עושים--איש נושא איש, ואישה נושאה אישה, ואישה נישאת לשני אנשים

This halacha is brought down by the Tur and Shulchan Aruch as well.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:20 PM Anonymous Says:

How do we know she is a lesbian?

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Malki Says:

You are all just jealous because you could not get into Barnard and Harvard Law School

Maybe some of us really are ehrliche yidden that get offended when our religion is made a mockery of by prutzos like her.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:06 PM Smartypants Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

So am i not religious because i am not married?
FYI you presumably do aveiros too - does it make you not religious if you do something against the torah?
If you are that perfect, then you dont even need to observe rh this week or fast on yom kippur!

Doing aveiros does not alone make one a mumar. Doing them because you have an ideology that is counter to the Torah does!

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:06 PM Anonymous Says:

This woman needs to stop publicizing the fact that she was once orthodox or else people are going to think that the Orthodox say it is ok to be gay.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

So am i not religious because i am not married?
FYI you presumably do aveiros too - does it make you not religious if you do something against the torah?
If you are that perfect, then you dont even need to observe rh this week or fast on yom kippur!

No one calls anyone irreligious if they are not married. To openly promote gay and lesbian values or anything antithetical to the Torah is wrong and apikorses.
If she was not from an observant home, we could cut her some slack. However, considering her background she should and does know better and still chooses to espouse anti Torah values. Although observant Jews don't claim to be perfect, we definitely don't discard any of the 613 commandments.
To sum it up, we have nothing against non observant Jews. We have everything against their so called leaders and teachers who encourage them to rebel against Hashem.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

When a jewish woman gets nominated for such a high position in recognition of her intellectual and professional achievements, her sexual orientation is irrelevant. she was not nominated for a beis din or any religioous function. Why would anyone care about her lifestyle. To me, the comment IS vile and hateful and shows intolerance for all to see.

Her orientation would be irrelevant IF it werent presented as her credentials for the job.

She is being nominated as a slap in the face of traditional PEOPLE OF ALL RELIGIONS and should be rejected, reviled and appropriately labeled a pervert.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:

As a member of Chai's family living in Israel, please stop making assumptions and accusations on our behalf. I think many commenters would benefit from reading the rules of the site (below), along with Shmirat HaLashon.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 04:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
Yossi Says:

Really, is that a relevant point? The bottom line is, call it what you want, she is a chilul Hashem. The person may not know true torah orthodoxy, but this is certainly not torah true. So stop playing word games.

See Rambam איסורי ביאה, כ"א:ח

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 04:04 PM MDshweks Says:

Wemen are also prohibited - see Yevamos 76a, and Rambam on Mishnayos Sanhedrin 7:4

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 04:01 PM yossi Says:

Reply to #55  
Anonymous Says:

Jewish law doesnt required women to marry. Additionally, its VERY questionable whether according to the torah homosexuality is sinful for women.

It really isn't; it is a Gemara in Nida, I don't remember where, but you can search for the words "nashim hamesolelos" and the Shulchan Aruch, perhaps in the beginning of Even Haezer, paskens that it is assur.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 03:03 PM MDshweks Says:

...and don't forget - Rahm Imanuel is orthodox too, and a "family man"!...

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 04:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Her father was HaRav HaGaon Mayer Simchah Feldblum, zatzal, a young holocaust survivor who was a Rosh Yeshivah at YU and the first recipient of a PhD at its Revel Graduate School. After making aliyah, he was Professor of Talmud at Bar-Ilan. Her mother, Esther Feldblum, aleha hasholom, was the daughter of HaRav Yolles of Philadelphia, received a PhD from Columbia U., was appointed to the faculty of Brooklyn College, when she was tragically killed by a drunken driver.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 04:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #76  
MDshweks Says:

...and don't forget - Rahm Imanuel is orthodox too, and a "family man"!...

He characterizes himself as conservative, not orthodox and does not profess to be "frum". He is an outstanding father and husband so take your scmutz elsewhere.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Homosexuality is against jewish law - and there is only one jewish law - the torah. The torah specifically prohibits homosexuality. There isnt even a question. If she is a lesbian she is not a religous jew according to any reading of torah, be it a strict or orthodox reading, or even lehavdil, a reconstructionist reading. there can not be two interpretations.

In jewish law there is a difference between gay and lesbian, look pirush mishnayos rambam, sanhedrin perek 7 mishna 4

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 04:20 PM esther Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

When a jewish woman gets nominated for such a high position in recognition of her intellectual and professional achievements, her sexual orientation is irrelevant. she was not nominated for a beis din or any religioous function. Why would anyone care about her lifestyle. To me, the comment IS vile and hateful and shows intolerance for all to see.

because being intellectual and proffesional isn't the end all and be all of our existence.it's also about the way an indivisual leads his life.the problem is that political correctness has blinded you to the torah's truth.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 04:19 PM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

For the ignoramous who have stated that lesbian relationships are not prohibited by the torah, I refer you to the Rambam, Hilchos Isurei Biah, 21:8, where he says:

נשים המסוללות זו בזו--אסור, וממעשה מצריים הוא שהוזהרנו עליו: שנאמר "כמעשה ארץ מצריים . . . לא תעשו" (ויקרא יח,ג); ואמרו חכמים, מה היו עושים--איש נושא איש, ואישה נושאה אישה, ואישה נישאת לשני אנשים

This halacha is brought down by the Tur and Shulchan Aruch as well.

The problem with that is the there is no evidence that the Egyptians did that. In any case, Lesbian relationships are mutar for non-Jews.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 05:06 PM ShatzMatz Says:

It appeasr from her record that she champions the cause of all people who are "different", including orthodox jews in the workplace. If she can still find it in her heart to go to bat for frum jews after they have illegitemized her (as illustrated by some of the comment here), she's sure got my vote!

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 06:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.

How do you know her sexual orientation or degree of frumkeit? I have never heard of her. Do you know her? Does anyone?

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
Anonymous Says:

She publicly promotes the gay lifestyle so she is clearly anti torah. Being a lesbian you are mevatel the mitzva of pru urvu which is the first mitzva in the sefer hachiniuch and bitul asai is just as serious as being over an aveirah. There are also opinions that being a lesbian is included in "kmaasei eretz mitzrayim"

There is no mitzva of pru urvu for women
Only on men

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 05:47 PM Liberalism is a DISEASE!! Says:

Reply to #81  
Charlie Hall Says:

The problem with that is the there is no evidence that the Egyptians did that. In any case, Lesbian relationships are mutar for non-Jews.

Charlie, as a defender of Torah I have to say you are an APIKORES! How DARE you say something that Chazal says otherwise?! APIKORES!!

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

what gives you the right to curse someone? your probably gay yourself, acts like a gentlemen until someone disagrees with you.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 07:38 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #85  
Liberalism is a DISEASE!! Says:

Charlie, as a defender of Torah I have to say you are an APIKORES! How DARE you say something that Chazal says otherwise?! APIKORES!!

You are a defender of lies and the dangerous liars who tell them. You are in no position to call anyone else an Apikores.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 07:02 PM Anonymous Says:

'This woman needs to stop publicizing the fact that she was once orthodox or else people are going to think that the Orthodox say it is ok to be gay."

Have no fear; no one would suspect we're anything but fundamentalists.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 06:56 PM Anonymous Says:

"To say you grew up in an Orthodox setting and are descended from distinguished rabbis-and then be a vocal proponent of gay/lesbian rights is pretty much a contradiction."

Only to the intellectually challenged.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 06:50 PM a yid Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

How about the shame and pain "she" inflicted on her own mishpacha!
it may not have to do with the position the president is offering her ,but it has a lot to do with calling her orthodox!

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 06:46 PM a yid Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

what is the betrayal exactly?
How do you know whart "true torah orthodoxy" is?
Did you know that the word orthodox didnt even exist in the jewish lexicon until very recently?

right the word orthodox didn't exist until conservative and reform were inveted

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 08:17 PM scholar Says:

Ok here it is..

rambam issurei biah chapter 21. That it is a chok mitzrayim and its NOT permitted.
And charley hall your wrong on that.

The Gemara is in shabbos..

Rashi explains that its a form of zinus.. A kohen may not marry such a woman..

So now your against rashi and the rambam.. Just shows how Jewish you are..



Besides the fact that she sides with the Gays..

She is immoral.. She is a shame for the Jewish community..
So she 'studied' in a Jewish Yeshiva. Wow..

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 08:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #87  
PMO Says:

You are a defender of lies and the dangerous liars who tell them. You are in no position to call anyone else an Apikores.

Words of wisdom from Obama's staunchest fan again. Probably excited that another radical activist has been appointed by your annointed one. A quick google of the professor shows that she is an activist promoting all sorts of deviant and perverted sexual lifestyles. Now that she will work for the EEOC, she will seek ways to give them preferential treatment, following your annoited ones wish to make a mockery of all things decent. Mazel tov.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 08:31 PM Anonymous Says:

chai rachel feldblum is the granddaughter of rabbi ephraim yolles of philadelphia and daughter of rabbi meir simcha feldblum of new york

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 09:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
Anonymous Says:

She publicly promotes the gay lifestyle so she is clearly anti torah. Being a lesbian you are mevatel the mitzva of pru urvu which is the first mitzva in the sefer hachiniuch and bitul asai is just as serious as being over an aveirah. There are also opinions that being a lesbian is included in "kmaasei eretz mitzrayim"

Women are not obligated in the mitzva of Pru Urvu.
This woman has been an advocate of individual rights including people of minority religious beliefs (like us) and sexual orientation. She has also written about the issue of not forcing religious people to go against their beleifs even in issues related to the gay community and has gotten flack from them for it.

Do VIN posters go nuts about the many non shomer Shabos Jewish appointees in the Obama administration? Why the preocupation with this women's private life? Prurient voyeurism in my opinion.

I am disturbed by his appointees who try to force Israel into untenable positions, but not about a Jewish woman who has an understanding of our community and a dedication to personal liberty.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 09:07 PM WB Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

“How about "formerly" orthodox, this woman is a lesbian and is not frum at all.”

We can only wish upon you and your mishpacha the same pain for the new year that your vile and hateful comments cause to Feldblum and her family. How dare you make such comment about such a distinguished lawyer and educator. She has been recognized by the bar multiple times for her scholarship and excellence. What does her sexual orientation have to do with her qualifications for the high honor the President has shown her.

Cuz she is a shame to the frum community, and should not be labled "orthodox"

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 09:24 PM Anonymous Says:

It is great how many people are raui to judge people. I am sure the RS"O is pleased. It makes his job so much easier.

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 Sep 15, 2009 at 10:09 PM Shimon Says:

Reply to #78  
Anonymous Says:

He characterizes himself as conservative, not orthodox and does not profess to be "frum". He is an outstanding father and husband so take your scmutz elsewhere.

...and I'm sure he's kind to animals, and opens the door for old ladies. Totally irrelevant. He's a vulgar human being and involved in dastardly deeds to bring down this country and the State of Israel. Please, stop the whitewashing.

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 Sep 16, 2009 at 02:11 AM . Mr. Green Says:

Reply to #72  
Anonymous Says:

As a member of Chai's family living in Israel, please stop making assumptions and accusations on our behalf. I think many commenters would benefit from reading the rules of the site (below), along with Shmirat HaLashon.

This comment is rather disingenuous. She is openly Lesbian. Her partner is Nan Hunter of Georgetown Law School. No secret. The latter even displays this fact on her blog.

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 Sep 16, 2009 at 01:46 AM Disappointed Says:

I would like to start this comment off with saying "I have never seen such closed-minded, ignorant, and hateful comments," but unfortunately I have, and right here on this blog.

First, to all of you ignorant mindless sheep: Homosexuality is NOT against the Torah. One sexual act is specified- that is, a man sleeping with another man the way one would lie with a woman. BEING gay is not against anything. If people are born that way, or are pushed in that direction through environmental factors, whatever you believe, it is not their fault. NO ONE says that being a homosexual is wrong, so educate yourselves before you spew your vile mindless lies.

Second, in Elul of all times you would think people would learn to judge THEMSELVES before others. How many people do you know PERSONALLY that are mechallel Shabbos or many other mitzvos all the time? Yet people keep quiet about that. But when it comes to *gasp* homosexuality, suddenly people throw out words like abomination, sickening, you can't be frum, apikores, and whatever else. Total homophobia, ignorance, and hypocrisy. Lucky for you, you don't have to deal with the issues that gay frum Jews (yes, OMG, I know, but they exist!) do on a daily basis, such as conflicting ideas and emotions, personal struggles, torn between religion and happiness, acceptance and rejection. Of course everyone has their own nisyonos, but you don't have theirs, so don't be so quick to judge and be so disgustingly HATEFUL about it. Think about how your words can make others feel. If you came back as a gilgul and were gay, how would you handle it? Try walking a mile in someone else's shoes.

Is it better to continue being so hateful and chase away anyone who is hanging on to yiddeshkeit as best as they can and still has other mitzvos they can perform, or completely scare them away from our religion by making them feel hated, unwanted, rejected, and hurt, so that they don't do any mitzvos at all? All of you who act so obnoxious and ignorant are very guilty yourselves of many aveiros, and if you have any part in chasing someone away from frumkeit then you are a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing and have many serious aveiros of your own to answer for. Do you think Hashem is proud of you for screaming apikores at the top of your lungs while you chase away one of HIS precious children?

SHAME SHAME SHAME on you.

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 Sep 16, 2009 at 06:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Homosexuality is against jewish law - and there is only one jewish law - the torah. The torah specifically prohibits homosexuality. There isnt even a question. If she is a lesbian she is not a religous jew according to any reading of torah, be it a strict or orthodox reading, or even lehavdil, a reconstructionist reading. there can not be two interpretations.

How stupid! Does that mean the Rabbi's who stole money are not frum either..so anyone that does an "Aveira" loses his orthodoxy?! She's a lesbian...that's between her and hashem...no one made you judge!!!

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 Sep 16, 2009 at 07:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #100  
Disappointed Says:

I would like to start this comment off with saying "I have never seen such closed-minded, ignorant, and hateful comments," but unfortunately I have, and right here on this blog.

First, to all of you ignorant mindless sheep: Homosexuality is NOT against the Torah. One sexual act is specified- that is, a man sleeping with another man the way one would lie with a woman. BEING gay is not against anything. If people are born that way, or are pushed in that direction through environmental factors, whatever you believe, it is not their fault. NO ONE says that being a homosexual is wrong, so educate yourselves before you spew your vile mindless lies.

Second, in Elul of all times you would think people would learn to judge THEMSELVES before others. How many people do you know PERSONALLY that are mechallel Shabbos or many other mitzvos all the time? Yet people keep quiet about that. But when it comes to *gasp* homosexuality, suddenly people throw out words like abomination, sickening, you can't be frum, apikores, and whatever else. Total homophobia, ignorance, and hypocrisy. Lucky for you, you don't have to deal with the issues that gay frum Jews (yes, OMG, I know, but they exist!) do on a daily basis, such as conflicting ideas and emotions, personal struggles, torn between religion and happiness, acceptance and rejection. Of course everyone has their own nisyonos, but you don't have theirs, so don't be so quick to judge and be so disgustingly HATEFUL about it. Think about how your words can make others feel. If you came back as a gilgul and were gay, how would you handle it? Try walking a mile in someone else's shoes.

Is it better to continue being so hateful and chase away anyone who is hanging on to yiddeshkeit as best as they can and still has other mitzvos they can perform, or completely scare them away from our religion by making them feel hated, unwanted, rejected, and hurt, so that they don't do any mitzvos at all? All of you who act so obnoxious and ignorant are very guilty yourselves of many aveiros, and if you have any part in chasing someone away from frumkeit then you are a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing and have many serious aveiros of your own to answer for. Do you think Hashem is proud of you for screaming apikores at the top of your lungs while you chase away one of HIS precious children?

SHAME SHAME SHAME on you.

Disappointed, apparently this has struck a sensitive point for you, but now let's be honest and real.

Someone who is only attracted to the same gender and does NOT perform the forbidden act is not doing something against the Torahn they are a huge nebach, but they are being oimeid on their nisayon. However living and promoting a homosexual lifestyle means exactlyu that they feel that the abominable acts are 100% okay. That is exactly what they are promoting, not just doing, and there is no question that it is against the Torah and despicable. And it is the active promotion of the abomination that must be voiciforusly protested.

You say what about mechallelei shabbos? If there where those that Promorted chilul shabbos, it would also be protested. Look how they do so in Yerushalyim. I assume that you are among those who feel that protesting the promotion of chilul shabbos is chilul hashem. However it is not. In addition promoting the Homosexual lifestyle as anpreferred alternative which is the purpose of this appointment is a huge degradation in societal morality and for that reason it must be actively protested and those whor are be machtie others deserve no repect. Do you respect a stain on your clothing or do you scrub it away? How a drug dealer? From a Torah perspective this is at least as bad because of how they PROMOTE this a a preferred lifestyle.

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 Sep 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM torahyid Says:

for all those saying a woman is not commanded on pirya vrivya, she is still obligated in sheves, that is to populate the earth by having children.

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 Sep 16, 2009 at 10:02 AM Anonymous Says:

This woman is extraordinary. She defends the rights of those who hate and defame her and shows respect for people she disagrees with. How many posters on this board have such big hearts? She is a terrific example. We can all learn from her.

I wish her well and much success in her new position.

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 Sep 16, 2009 at 09:09 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #81  
Charlie Hall Says:

The problem with that is the there is no evidence that the Egyptians did that. In any case, Lesbian relationships are mutar for non-Jews.

I know you think you are the know it all, but I'm going to disagree with you here. It's ossur for them to be a lesbian in our generation at least openly, because the lesbians promote male homosexuality. So this means they wouldn't vote for a law punishing male gays with the death penality. The seventh mitzvah is to make laws upholding the other six. The lesbians would never let them uphold the law of Miskav Zochor!

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 Sep 16, 2009 at 09:02 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #55  
Anonymous Says:

Jewish law doesnt required women to marry. Additionally, its VERY questionable whether according to the torah homosexuality is sinful for women.

You are wrong on both counts. Women have to marry because the world was created to have humans live here, even though they aren't required to keep Pru Oor'vu. It's definietly ossur to be a lesbian, just it's a machlokes whether it's D'oraysa or D'rabbonon. A little knowledge is dangerous. You obviously learnt some Torah, but not enough. When you know the whole picture then you can Pasken, otherwise please refrain from spouting your Am Haaratzos!

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