“ Why are making fun of the Posek Hador? Do you know so much Torah, that, you can chastise his p'sak? Are you of his callibur? ”

“ Not only that, but we should spikes in our non-leather shoes. This is a bigger hiddur. And wear a size that is too small. ”

“ the halacha does not say that you have to suffer ”

“ Can someone please tell us where it says we must suffer on Yom Kippur? ”

“ Can someone please tell us where it says we must suffer on Yom Kippur? ”

“ sounds like a croc to me. Personally, I wear shoes made of thumbtacks on Yom Kippur. ”

“ Can someone please tell us where it says we must suffer on Yom Kippur? ”

“ the toldos avraham yitzchok rebbe shlita wears white crocs for yom kippur ”

“ the halacha does not say that you have to suffer ”

“ Great way to be talking about ore gedolim right before yom kipper ”

“ actually this makes perfect sense, the reason for not wearing leather is comfort (non comfortable does not mean suffer). so why do people wear shoes that are more comfortable than leather shoes.

When the halacha was written not to wear leather, leather was the shoes to wear for comfort. They did not have sneakers crocs and so on.

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“ Can someone please tell us where it says we must suffer on Yom Kippur? ”

“ Can someone please tell us where it says we must suffer on Yom Kippur? ”

“ If you don't have to suffer, why are you fasting, not washing, and not anointing yourself with fragrant oils?

You are not supposed to pain yourself but you are supposed to limit yourself from normal pleasures - v'inisem es nafshosaichem. ”

“ actually this makes perfect sense, the reason for not wearing leather is comfort (non comfortable does not mean suffer). so why do people wear shoes that are more comfortable than leather shoes.

When the halacha was written not to wear leather, leather was the shoes to wear for comfort. They did not have sneakers crocs and so on.

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“ I think with all do respect, the person who asked this Shaila had NO right to ask. All he did was cause more machlokes and more Loshon Hara. What was his point? What did he gain? If hes such a tzadick, he should not have asked and did what he knew for himself was proper. Everyone knows the Halacha and so DID HE! ”

“ Thank you #46.

I am crying for Klal Yisroel as I just read through with absolute shock that just a few days before Yom Kippur there are people here posting opinions and knocking our undisputed Gadol Hador. UNDISPUTED amongst all Frum circles. Litvish, Chasidish, Misnagdish, Yeshivish, Sefardish, etc. There is no Rov in the entire world who will not tell you that Rav Elyashuv is our Gadol Hador. Even if they have a different Psak have you ever seen anyone in the last 10 years say a Psak from Rav Elyashuv is wrong???

I cry for those who used this forum to level hock and mock on and about Rav Elyashuv. It is you who will find yourself crying before next Yom Kippur for the tragedy's that will fall upon your family and you will need to remember that being Mivazeh a Talmud Chochom not only casues you to loose your Oilam Haba but destroys your Oilam Hazeh. I shudder to think of the children Klal Yisroel will bury next year because of the comments made on this topic.

Maybe Rav Elayshuv did give this Psak maybe he didn't - but to knock this Torah giant??? a few days befoere Yom Kippur???? What a Chaval on where Klal Yisroel is holding as a whole to have you people as a part of our Am Hanivchar. Atah Virchartanu Mekol Hoamim - Hashem chose us. The lowest Yid is greater then the greatest Goy in the eyes of Hashem. How sad that we cannot realize that and act accordingly.

.........And then from the same mouths that spew this disgusting redderick about our Gedolay Yisroel will come a Teffila of Ani Mamin for Moshiach??? and we expect the RBS"O to listen?????

we truly are a dor of Yesomim. ”

“ Can someone please tell us where it says we must suffer on Yom Kippur? ”

“ It says so right there in the Chumish. "Teannu Es Nafshosechem" ”

“ First of all Crocs are so gay NO men should be wearing them. Second, I take off my shoes in Shul and daven in socks so I can feel like an anav on Yom Kippur. Third, it is improper for all the above writers to be insulting to the Posek HaDor of the Yeshivishe Kehillah. It is unbecoming to act this way if one is a frum Yid. Period. Non Frum Yidden, please refrain from insulting our Rabonim, especially on matters pertaining to halachah that the Reform Community does not respect. Just one man's opionion. ”

“ First of all Crocs are so gay NO men should be wearing them. Second, I take off my shoes in Shul and daven in socks so I can feel like an anav on Yom Kippur. Third, it is improper for all the above writers to be insulting to the Posek HaDor of the Yeshivishe Kehillah. It is unbecoming to act this way if one is a frum Yid. Period. Non Frum Yidden, please refrain from insulting our Rabonim, especially on matters pertaining to halachah that the Reform Community does not respect. Just one man's opionion. ”

“ Thank you #46.

I am crying for Klal Yisroel as I just read through with absolute shock that just a few days before Yom Kippur there are people here posting opinions and knocking our undisputed Gadol Hador. UNDISPUTED amongst all Frum circles. Litvish, Chasidish, Misnagdish, Yeshivish, Sefardish, etc. There is no Rov in the entire world who will not tell you that Rav Elyashuv is our Gadol Hador. Even if they have a different Psak have you ever seen anyone in the last 10 years say a Psak from Rav Elyashuv is wrong???

I cry for those who used this forum to level hock and mock on and about Rav Elyashuv. It is you who will find yourself crying before next Yom Kippur for the tragedy's that will fall upon your family and you will need to remember that being Mivazeh a Talmud Chochom not only casues you to loose your Oilam Haba but destroys your Oilam Hazeh. I shudder to think of the children Klal Yisroel will bury next year because of the comments made on this topic.

Maybe Rav Elayshuv did give this Psak maybe he didn't - but to knock this Torah giant??? a few days befoere Yom Kippur???? What a Chaval on where Klal Yisroel is holding as a whole to have you people as a part of our Am Hanivchar. Atah Virchartanu Mekol Hoamim - Hashem chose us. The lowest Yid is greater then the greatest Goy in the eyes of Hashem. How sad that we cannot realize that and act accordingly.

.........And then from the same mouths that spew this disgusting redderick about our Gedolay Yisroel will come a Teffila of Ani Mamin for Moshiach??? and we expect the RBS"O to listen?????

we truly are a dor of Yesomim. ”

“ First of all Crocs are so gay NO men should be wearing them. Second, I take off my shoes in Shul and daven in socks so I can feel like an anav on Yom Kippur. Third, it is improper for all the above writers to be insulting to the Posek HaDor of the Yeshivishe Kehillah. It is unbecoming to act this way if one is a frum Yid. Period. Non Frum Yidden, please refrain from insulting our Rabonim, especially on matters pertaining to halachah that the Reform Community does not respect. Just one man's opionion. ”

“ Why are making fun of the Posek Hador? Do you know so much Torah, that, you can chastise his p'sak? Are you of his callibur? ”

“ With all of the tsoress that we Yiden face it amazes me that there are so many comments about crocks! ”

“ I agree with the Rav. Crocs are also sponors of women's volleyball which is also an immodest sport. ”

“ It's disheartening to see what happens when a psak din gets disseminated through the internet. How does anyone know that the article is correct? Furthermore, who knows exactly what this great posek said and under what conditions? I will wait until he publishes his Tshuva, in the meantime we all need to do our own Tshuvah! ”

“ the halacha does not say that you have to suffer ”

“ huh? What part of "ve initem" doesn't mean "and you should suffer/torture"?

Not sure what you're talking about.
Regardless of crocs or any Rabbi - the halacha is a passuk, which says you should suffer on yom kippur. ”

“ it is a known fact that r elyashiv is not speaking to the hamoin am-he is gearing his psak to yeshivalait,thats why he doesnt look to be maikel,people that knew him years ago said he used to pasken more lekulah-and they asked him what changemhe said he saw that he is paskening for yeshivalait which should not be looking for kuulos,therefore of course if its too difficult for the aalei batim-this psak does not mean to asser it from you,but if u could follow it-it will be a zechus for you on yom kippur ”

“ And I'm sure Dodge, Chevy, Mazda, Lexus, BMW, etc sponsor some that is immodest as well...

Are you going to stop driving your car now? ”

“ Why did this come out now with no time for people to buy something else? Same as the concert ban. It came out at the last minute. ”

“ All the people who mocked rav elyashiv shlitah should know that they should daven hard this yom kippur for mechilah.The onesh is very great,look it up in chazal and the shulchan aruch. ”

“ Thank you #46.

I am crying for Klal Yisroel as I just read through with absolute shock that just a few days before Yom Kippur there are people here posting opinions and knocking our undisputed Gadol Hador. UNDISPUTED amongst all Frum circles. Litvish, Chasidish, Misnagdish, Yeshivish, Sefardish, etc. There is no Rov in the entire world who will not tell you that Rav Elyashuv is our Gadol Hador. Even if they have a different Psak have you ever seen anyone in the last 10 years say a Psak from Rav Elyashuv is wrong???

I cry for those who used this forum to level hock and mock on and about Rav Elyashuv. It is you who will find yourself crying before next Yom Kippur for the tragedy's that will fall upon your family and you will need to remember that being Mivazeh a Talmud Chochom not only casues you to loose your Oilam Haba but destroys your Oilam Hazeh. I shudder to think of the children Klal Yisroel will bury next year because of the comments made on this topic.

Maybe Rav Elayshuv did give this Psak maybe he didn't - but to knock this Torah giant??? a few days befoere Yom Kippur???? What a Chaval on where Klal Yisroel is holding as a whole to have you people as a part of our Am Hanivchar. Atah Virchartanu Mekol Hoamim - Hashem chose us. The lowest Yid is greater then the greatest Goy in the eyes of Hashem. How sad that we cannot realize that and act accordingly.

.........And then from the same mouths that spew this disgusting redderick about our Gedolay Yisroel will come a Teffila of Ani Mamin for Moshiach??? and we expect the RBS"O to listen?????

we truly are a dor of Yesomim. ”

“ First of all Crocs are so gay NO men should be wearing them. Second, I take off my shoes in Shul and daven in socks so I can feel like an anav on Yom Kippur. Third, it is improper for all the above writers to be insulting to the Posek HaDor of the Yeshivishe Kehillah. It is unbecoming to act this way if one is a frum Yid. Period. Non Frum Yidden, please refrain from insulting our Rabonim, especially on matters pertaining to halachah that the Reform Community does not respect. Just one man's opionion. ”

“ typical misnaged mussarnik psak ”

“ Actually there is a halachic issue with crocs and if u wear them on Yom Kippur take note:
Many people wear the strap on the top and don't wrap it around their heal. On Yom Kippur and Shabbos it can be carrying since it is unneeded. If you wear crocs on YK, make sure to put the strap back around your heel. Several yrs ago when crocs became the in-thing, our Rov announced this immediately following kol nidrei so the women/children who were leaving shul should not be oiver on carrying Ch"V. ”

“ Ve'initem means you "should impoverish", make poor! From the root, "Ani".

In Machshava the understanding is NOT to cause oneself pain, but to lessen the needs of the "Nefesh", the physical part of us on Yom Kippur. (In Kabbala, Chassidus, and Machshava the Nefesh is the Body, as opposed to the Neshama, the soul. Sometimes the word "Nefesh" is used to refer to to the Soul, including the Neshama, but the understanding is generally that it refers to the body, as in "Ki Hadam Hu Hanefesh").

Thus, the idea on Yom Kippur is not to cause ourselves pain, but to be on a level where physicality and physical pleasures are not the focus of our existence. We are angel-like for te day.
Therefore we don't eat, as angels don't eat, we don't drink, have relations, anoint ourselves, we say Baruch Shaim aloud, some people stand all day, not for pain, but because we're expressing our status as angels, who are removed from these things.
For this reason we don't wear LEATHER shoes, as they are symbolic of physical existence, as seen by Chalitza, the removal of the leather shoe, symbolizing the end of the physical existence of the dead brother, and in many other regards, removing shoes in the Bais Hamikdash, when talking to Hashem (Moshe Rabbeinu).
It is not like Tisha B'av, which IS a matter of causing ourselves discomfort, as it is a mourning day.
Yom Kippur is an "Angel" day. (According to Midrashim, we have no Yetzer Hara this day, as our Bodily pulls are negated. Any sins we do are from habit.)

I personally always felt that on YK one could wear Crocs for this reason, and on TB, it'd be better not to. (I wear slippers both days.)

With all that said, I am not a posek who comes to R' Elyashiv's toes, (let alone his Crocs) and I have not examined the Halachic sources recently, so I don't know which ones interpret "Ve'initem" as the idea of pain and discomfort, so I won't argue in Psak, I'm simply giving over a "deeper" understanding of the idea, so some of you might appreciate the significance of the Halacha.

I'm going now to learn the sources, so have a Gmar Chasima Tova
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“ The halacha technically says you should be less comfortable however if he says don't wear crocks then we should be allowed to wear uncomfortable leather shoes because technically they are less comfortable than crocs. The only reason we wear leather shoes in general is for style and durability. Doesn't that make sense? It doesnt say the rule is leather shoes in gemarah taanis is says neilas hasandal. ”