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har5Israel - Only 37% of haredi men work, as opposed to some 80% of their secular counterparts, according to statistics presented to Industry, Trade and Labor Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer while touring centers for women’s employment in the ultra-Orthodox town of Modiin Ilit.
Among working women, there is also a significant gap. Some 49% of haredi women are gainfully employed, while 70% of secular women work.
The average gross monthly salary of haredi women is NIS 3,690 (about $980), about 40% lower than haredi men’s gross monthly salary, which stands at an average NIS 6,123 (about $1,625).
The gap in earning power between the sexes is lower in the secular population, in which women earn 36% less than men. The average gross monthly salary for secular women is NIS 5,698 (about $1,512). The average gross monthly salary for secular men is NIS 8,955 (about $2,375).
This puts the average gross monthly salary of haredi women at about 35% lower than that of the average gross monthly salary of secular women. The gap between secular and haredi men is narrower, with haredi men earning on average 30% less than their secular counterparts.
Some 52% of haredi men reported that being unable to cover their monthly household expenses in contrast with 42.4% of secular men.
Following these findings, Minister Ben-Eliezer said that his ministry would take measures to integrate the haredi community into the workforce, through initiatives such as professional training courses and additional benefits. Despite the dim statistics, some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 08:34 AM Hareidi wannabe Says:Report as Inappropriate
Im not sure if have the facts right, but i was under the impression that most hareidi men are not given working papers. Im sure if the govt gave them the opportunity to work they would. In light of this, the aforementioned stats are irrelevant. Pease shed light on the situation.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 08:19 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
While the article focuses on the plight of chareidim, it fails to emphasize the secular issues.
"Some 52% of haredi men reported that being unable to cover their monthly household expenses in contrast with 42.4% of secular men." Why of they're earning 30% more aren't they surviving? Why is that not a focus of the govt?
"Despite the dim statistics, some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars". That contrast should be a wake up a call. The difference is so staggering. What this proves is that money is not the key to happiness.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 08:48 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
They make a lot of money for people without an education
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Sep 30, 2009 at 09:07 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
There are (I hope) many Chareidim that would do very well (financially) if they were allowed to legally work. I don't have the magical answer how to solve the army "problem" (I myself served in Hesder), but the lack of parnassa and a 9-5 job seems to lead to boredom, shalom bayis issues, riots, kol korehs to ban everything under the sun (what a croc), women bashing, etc.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 08:53 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While the article focuses on the plight of chareidim, it fails to emphasize the secular issues.
"Some 52% of haredi men reported that being unable to cover their monthly household expenses in contrast with 42.4% of secular men." Why of they're earning 30% more aren't they surviving? Why is that not a focus of the govt?
"Despite the dim statistics, some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars". That contrast should be a wake up a call. The difference is so staggering. What this proves is that money is not the key to happiness. ”
The article says that "some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars". You say "That contrast should be a wake up a call." That contrast could be due to the fact that the non-working haredis get to avoid the stress of working, the men don't have the stress of cooking and cleaning and being the primary caregiver for their children and they have been taught to believe they are special and better than others.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 09:13 AM Dovid Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While the article focuses on the plight of chareidim, it fails to emphasize the secular issues.
"Some 52% of haredi men reported that being unable to cover their monthly household expenses in contrast with 42.4% of secular men." Why of they're earning 30% more aren't they surviving? Why is that not a focus of the govt?
"Despite the dim statistics, some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars". That contrast should be a wake up a call. The difference is so staggering. What this proves is that money is not the key to happiness. ”
Of course they are happier - they have the seculars working FOR them. Its nice to be taken care of.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 09:13 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
they do not get work papers...because they do not go to the army...some don't go the army beause they do not recognize the state of Israel..if they do not recognize Israel...why should they get benefits from a state they do not recognize?
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Sep 30, 2009 at 09:30 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Most of the chareidem work off the books (on cash) to avoid going to military and paying taxes which in Israel they pay 40%.
They aren't counted by the gov as employed. The real percent is probably twice.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 09:27 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ they do not get work papers...because they do not go to the army...some don't go the army beause they do not recognize the state of Israel..if they do not recognize Israel...why should they get benefits from a state they do not recognize? ”
If the United States is an excellent example, we have huge social service programs which support millions of people who not only work off the books, but are here illegally. If you want to become a citizen, then get off government programs, because the US won't take you otherwise. Why do you think none of the illegals ever try to do it legally? It's too hard! Might as well get food stamps, medicaid etc, where there are notices they do not notif INS, and live well instead of having to work! Is Israel any worse than the US?
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Sep 30, 2009 at 10:13 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
How do they put a value on all the youngermen sitting all day and night in beis medrash doing nothing but learning torah. The value of the zchus we all derive from their learning is priceless and exceeds any miniscule economic value their physical labors might add. If they didn't learn, all the bankers, lawyers, and other workers would have to ake time off during the day from their jobs to make up for the loss in lomdus.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 10:10 AM GoToCollege Says:Report as Inappropriate
what a busha and cherpa - Pirkei Avos explicitly says that people should get jobs and not mooch off society. These ppl should be embarressed of the chillul hashem they create by living off the fat of the land.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 10:03 AM Charlie Hall Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If the United States is an excellent example, we have huge social service programs which support millions of people who not only work off the books, but are here illegally. If you want to become a citizen, then get off government programs, because the US won't take you otherwise. Why do you think none of the illegals ever try to do it legally? It's too hard! Might as well get food stamps, medicaid etc, where there are notices they do not notif INS, and live well instead of having to work! Is Israel any worse than the US? ”
Actually, few illegal immigrants in the US benefit from any social programs, yet they pay income, sales, and excise taxes. Most would love to become legal immigrants or at least legal guest workers; the reason they don't is because of the draconian quota system. For example only about 25,000 immigrants a year are permitted from Mexico under current law. The number should be at least ten times higher. A Mexican citizen wishing to emigrate to the US can wait over a decade for an immigrant visa. (Yet any Mexican citizen wishing to travel to the US who does not have a criminal record can get a visa to travel here as a visitor. The system is completely broken.)
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Sep 30, 2009 at 09:52 AM mythoughts Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While the article focuses on the plight of chareidim, it fails to emphasize the secular issues.
"Some 52% of haredi men reported that being unable to cover their monthly household expenses in contrast with 42.4% of secular men." Why of they're earning 30% more aren't they surviving? Why is that not a focus of the govt?
"Despite the dim statistics, some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars". That contrast should be a wake up a call. The difference is so staggering. What this proves is that money is not the key to happiness. ”
I'd be happy to if somebody else paid my bills.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 09:39 AM Botlim Says:Report as Inappropriate
they keep mitzas....let them learn....a bee gezund
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Sep 30, 2009 at 10:25 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If the United States is an excellent example, we have huge social service programs which support millions of people who not only work off the books, but are here illegally. If you want to become a citizen, then get off government programs, because the US won't take you otherwise. Why do you think none of the illegals ever try to do it legally? It's too hard! Might as well get food stamps, medicaid etc, where there are notices they do not notif INS, and live well instead of having to work! Is Israel any worse than the US? ”
You are wrong. People in the u.s. illegally are not eligible for food stamps and medicaid. The people here illegally are here to work and support their families. They take very hard jobs at low wages. The immigration situation here has nothing to do with the situation in Israel.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 10:24 AM Doniels Says:Report as Inappropriate
"Only 37% of haredi men work, as opposed to some 80% of their secular counterparts"
Ignoring a large part of the population who are neither Hareidi nor secular.
And of course ignoring the fact that once you [go to the army and] go to work you're technically not Hareidi anymore.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How do they put a value on all the youngermen sitting all day and night in beis medrash doing nothing but learning torah. The value of the zchus we all derive from their learning is priceless and exceeds any miniscule economic value their physical labors might add. If they didn't learn, all the bankers, lawyers, and other workers would have to ake time off during the day from their jobs to make up for the loss in lomdus. ”
So maybe no one should work and everyone should sit and learn.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 10:35 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ they keep mitzas....let them learn....a bee gezund ”
The majority of them are not busy "keeping mitzas" (do you mean MITZVAH?). In any event, what does that have to do with the point of the article that there is clearly a large percentage of them who are simply lazy and uneducated and unwilling to work for a parnassah. Is it a "mitza" to make others (including your wife) work on your behalf and benefit from their labors? I guess many of us keep a differnet torah where one is expected to provide for the needs of our own families with our own labor while still finding time to learn.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 10:52 AM yooweee doooeee Says:Report as Inappropriate
Hmmmmm.... So a) they make 40% above the salary because they don't pay taxes b) they didn't haveto serve c) can collect tzedaka d) free housing!!! E) food stanmps etc...
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Sep 30, 2009 at 11:06 AM shimon Says:Report as Inappropriate
37% of haredi men work? Must be chassidish, israeli litvak how's working is not chareidi by definition... sad but true.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 10:55 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So maybe no one should work and everyone should sit and learn. ”
Once moishiach comes there will be no more "work" as we know it. All yidden will sit around all day and just learn torah. Moisiach will provide for all of our material needs.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 11:29 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How do they put a value on all the youngermen sitting all day and night in beis medrash doing nothing but learning torah. The value of the zchus we all derive from their learning is priceless and exceeds any miniscule economic value their physical labors might add. If they didn't learn, all the bankers, lawyers, and other workers would have to ake time off during the day from their jobs to make up for the loss in lomdus. ”
When they are not sitting and learning all day, they are out on Shabbos throwing rocks.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 11:28 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While the article focuses on the plight of chareidim, it fails to emphasize the secular issues.
"Some 52% of haredi men reported that being unable to cover their monthly household expenses in contrast with 42.4% of secular men." Why of they're earning 30% more aren't they surviving? Why is that not a focus of the govt?
"Despite the dim statistics, some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars". That contrast should be a wake up a call. The difference is so staggering. What this proves is that money is not the key to happiness. ”
No, all it proves is that not working is a way easier life.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How do they put a value on all the youngermen sitting all day and night in beis medrash doing nothing but learning torah. The value of the zchus we all derive from their learning is priceless and exceeds any miniscule economic value their physical labors might add. If they didn't learn, all the bankers, lawyers, and other workers would have to ake time off during the day from their jobs to make up for the loss in lomdus. ”
I would love to take time off during the day from my job to go and learn. But alas, I have bills to pay.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 12:06 PM David Says:Report as Inappropriate
An entire society of bums. Not only are they bums, but they're bums who think they're superior. Defund their schools, educate their children, teach the adults trades, and then let them earn their place in society, instead of demanding payments for nothing.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
guess what I one of the main issues is that if I make more than around $20,000 annually, I wouldn't get medicade and food stamps and wic which would make me need to make at least $50,000 so there is too big of a gap for people like me to get off the programs the same works for anyone on the programs so fix the system and well get better jobs make medicade for all under $50,000 and people will be able to move up otherwise lowerclass is better than middle
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Sep 30, 2009 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ guess what I one of the main issues is that if I make more than around $20,000 annually, I wouldn't get medicade and food stamps and wic which would make me need to make at least $50,000 so there is too big of a gap for people like me to get off the programs the same works for anyone on the programs so fix the system and well get better jobs make medicade for all under $50,000 and people will be able to move up otherwise lowerclass is better than middle ”
go to college and then graduate school and then you will easily find a job paying mroe than $50,000. In fact, you can find jobs paying more than that even without a college degree. I know secretaries that make around that.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM unbelievable Says:Report as Inappropriate
my room rent is more than 7500 a month....lav daphka
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Sep 30, 2009 at 12:33 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ You are wrong. People in the u.s. illegally are not eligible for food stamps and medicaid. The people here illegally are here to work and support their families. They take very hard jobs at low wages. The immigration situation here has nothing to do with the situation in Israel. ”
They get it anyway, especially the medicaid, in most states. And then they have children, who are American, so they get food stamps and all the other aid for them.
Anyway, they work off the books (a 25% savings easily) just like many Chareidim in Israel.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 01:22 PM steve the man Says:Report as Inappropriate
why are people against charedim? they don't do treif things like go to college, work in a workforce with women, go to the army, engage in greedy capitalism. they do defend taharas eretz yisrael, give us the zechus to give them tzedakah and privide entertaining hafganos!
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Sep 30, 2009 at 01:14 PM Random Jew Says:Report as Inappropriate
But once you factor in other expenses I wonder how it works out. I pay a few hundred shekel a month for school. A few hundred shekel a month for arnona (property tax). A hundred for shul membership. I use the bus and do not tremp (hitchike), lose a large chuck because we work "on the books" so pay taxes, bituach leumi, kupah etc... I wonder how many of these people are paying all of the required expenses and how many are taking many of these things for free from the state.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 04:21 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ why are people against charedim? they don't do treif things like go to college, work in a workforce with women, go to the army, engage in greedy capitalism. they do defend taharas eretz yisrael, give us the zechus to give them tzedakah and privide entertaining hafganos! ”
"going to college is treif???" Keep living in the stone age buddy and wishing you were still in a polish ghetto in the 1800's....
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Sep 30, 2009 at 04:57 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While the article focuses on the plight of chareidim, it fails to emphasize the secular issues.
"Some 52% of haredi men reported that being unable to cover their monthly household expenses in contrast with 42.4% of secular men." Why of they're earning 30% more aren't they surviving? Why is that not a focus of the govt?
"Despite the dim statistics, some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars". That contrast should be a wake up a call. The difference is so staggering. What this proves is that money is not the key to happiness. ”
>Despite the dim statistics, some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars.<
I'd also be 'happy' to not schlep to work day in and day out (And spend 3 hours per day commuting!)
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Sep 30, 2009 at 06:11 PM observer Says:Report as Inappropriate
so many inane comments - and all based on extremely questionable (lies, damned lies and) statistics.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 05:32 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How do they put a value on all the youngermen sitting all day and night in beis medrash doing nothing but learning torah. The value of the zchus we all derive from their learning is priceless and exceeds any miniscule economic value their physical labors might add. If they didn't learn, all the bankers, lawyers, and other workers would have to ake time off during the day from their jobs to make up for the loss in lomdus. ”
If that were true, then Pirkei Avos wouldn't say "Yafeh talmud torah im derech eretz", it would just say "Yafeh talmud torah" alone.
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Sep 30, 2009 at 09:38 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ they do not get work papers...because they do not go to the army...some don't go the army beause they do not recognize the state of Israel..if they do not recognize Israel...why should they get benefits from a state they do not recognize? ”
Anonymous Says:
"they do not get work papers...because they do not go to the army...some don't go the army beause they do not recognize the state of Israel..if they do not recognize Israel...why should they get benefits from a state they do not recognize?"
That's only "some", MOST don't go because the State of Israel doesn't recognise they're being orthodox, and not mixing with women etc. even in Nachal Chareidi, they have to go listen to ladies singing or get severely punished (as was reported here on VIN multiple times)...
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Sep 30, 2009 at 11:44 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How do they put a value on all the youngermen sitting all day and night in beis medrash doing nothing but learning torah. The value of the zchus we all derive from their learning is priceless and exceeds any miniscule economic value their physical labors might add. If they didn't learn, all the bankers, lawyers, and other workers would have to ake time off during the day from their jobs to make up for the loss in lomdus. ”
What is the result from this learning? What do these Charedi yeshivas produce by having 70% of their men "learning" in yeshivas? Do they produce skills that benefit the greater society?--No. Do they become great talmudic scholars?--No because the "Rebbes' " sons and grandsons are already the "Tzadikim"and Torah scholars for generations, a Charedi tradition. So send these 70% to learn trade and technical skills that will benefit their communities and society as a whole. Let them become fathers who can feed their children and not drown in poverty and psychology that Hashem will make a miracle and they will make it through the day.
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Oct 01, 2009 at 04:45 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The army problem is definitely an issue. If integration of Charedim in the workforce was placed in action you would probably see more of them working. Of course there are some in the arch conservative wing of the haredim that probably wont work even then.
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Oct 01, 2009 at 12:57 PM simcha Says:Report as Inappropriate
I guess that if only 37 % are working
the 63% not working are the 63% highly satisfied 5
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Oct 01, 2009 at 01:25 PM rachel Says:Report as Inappropriate
these comments are full of judments! do any of you know what it is like to have such a low income, despite trying so hard to make it for your family...and then you go to the supermarket and diapers and food products are twice the price than what you would pay in america....these people are working normal jobs, but they just dont pay the same in Israel...dont you get it?
i will tell you that it is VERY HARD...you can say that they are bums, that they should be learning, etc....all very selfish comments, because what you didnt realize is that with all the high taxes in Israel and the high living expenses (and Im not talking just about Jerusalem, its hard everywhere here), its very hard to make ends meet. Maybe you should stop saying mean comments and look at how nice your own lives are...and just appreciate what you have!
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Oct 01, 2009 at 04:11 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ guess what I one of the main issues is that if I make more than around $20,000 annually, I wouldn't get medicade and food stamps and wic which would make me need to make at least $50,000 so there is too big of a gap for people like me to get off the programs the same works for anyone on the programs so fix the system and well get better jobs make medicade for all under $50,000 and people will be able to move up otherwise lowerclass is better than middle ”
If you make 50k or more a year you have no business being on medicade and wic...whats wrong with you?
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Oct 02, 2009 at 06:37 AM matzahlocal101 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Typical YNET story, more chareidi bashing.
>>Some 52% of haredi men reported that being unable to cover their monthly household expenses in contrast with 42.4% of secular men.
52% of Chareidi men with 8 or more kids (k"y) are unable to cover their monthlies, while secular men with 1,2, or no kids have difficulty. Something is definitely wrong here and it isn't with the chareidim.
Boruch Hashem, chareidi Yidden that are actually Machshav Torah contribute millions to kupat ha'ir, mifal tov vichessed, etc. Enabling our brethren in Israel to sit and learn, instead of criticizing them like the MO that don't really believe that G-d will protect in the merit of Torah like said he would.
>>>Despite the dim statistics, some 63% of haredim said they were highly satisfied with their lives, in comparison with only 28% of seculars.
That fact that 72% of secular Israelis are miserable is not a public concern?
How about statistics on how many seculars are sitting in Israeli jails on the public dime vs. how many chareidim.
Or perhaps how many seculars have AIDS at the public healthcare system's expense vs. how many chareidim.
Or many how many secular Israeli are doing hard drugs leading to loss of productivity, incarceration, rehabilitation, hospitalization, etc. all at the public expense vs. how many chareidim are doing hard drugs. That might change some people's POV, but don't expect it to come from YNET anytime soon. If it's not anti-chareidi, it's not news to them.
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Oct 02, 2009 at 08:49 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If you make 50k or more a year you have no business being on medicade and wic...whats wrong with you? ”
sorry ya misy da boat I make around $20 k