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Jerusalem - Cut off your peyos Elior Chen. Toss away the yarmulke. It won’t help. It won’t earn you any sympathy. Israeli judges are unmoved by criminals who suddenly remember Hashem on the day of their trial after they’ve caused people so much suffering.

If just a few of the charges are correct, you’re not a rov, you’re not religious and you’re not a human being. Cut of those peyos of yours, Mr. Elior Chen. It’s an insult to the peyos. It’s an insult to the yarmulke. It lowers you, and it lowers us as well. It won’t help you. It merely amplifies your crime. As if it were based on ideology. And you can be sure: R’ Nachman of Breslov won’t grab onto your peyos to pull you out of Gehenom.

If just a few of the allegations against you are correct, you’ll have to do tshuvoh from square one. You’ll have to beat on your chest with all your might and cry out: “I have sinned.” Every second-grader knows that anyone who raises his hand against another person to strike him – even if he does not strike him – is called a rosho. You raised your hand and induced others to raise their hands. And you brought your hand down on hapless children who were not yours.

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Do us all a favor and tell the world: I’m not a rov. Do us a favor and snip off your peyos. Those peyos are supposed to be a symbol of purity. A symbol of piousness. A symbol of chessed. Yet they served you as a means of propaganda. You used them to convince everyone you’re a malach and a tzaddik. Maybe even moshiach. Those peyos have left children crippled for years to come, if not for life.

Cut off those peyos. Do us a favor. We can’t stand the sight of them. It’s bad enough with all the gangsters who blow up cars with people inside and then stick a yarmulke on their head. If we could, believe me, we’d pass a law against these criminals who wear a big yarmulke during their trial. But you’ve taken it a step further. Peyos, a large yarmulke, rabbinical attire and you even call yourself a rov, yet you’re accused of such heinous crimes that all of Eretz Yisroel and the Jewish world is appalled.

Listen carefully. I’m trying not to get carried away. I don’t know what’s true and what’s not true. But there’s a child still lying unconscious because of your “tikkunim.” For your own sake, so the judge doesn’t get carried away with hatred toward you, take off that black coat and dress in sackcloth. Ask for forgiveness loud and clear. Maybe after a few years of real tshuvoh, your prison terms will be lightened a bit.

Do us a favor and renounce the name Breslov. You’re not a Breslover. You have no connection to the teachings of Rebbe Nachman. You pass on false teachings – megaleh ponim shelo kehalochoh. And as such you have no portion in the World to Come. 

Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu is the son of Mordechai Eliyahu, the former Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel.


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 Nov 01, 2009 at 12:38 PM Torontotonian Says:

The equivalency of the chitzonious and penimious of a persons'
actions are hardly for us to decide.

Does it not follow that according to the worthy Rabbi, the object of his
scorn need no longer keep shabbos? how about Tfillin?

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 01:16 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

Amazing article not so much for its content but for the fact that a leader is, well, actually leading.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 01:20 PM Anonymous Says:

It doesn't matter what this guy does; he no longer is considered a member of klal yisroel and has no claim to any rights or entitlements of being a yid. Anyone who helps him is as much a moser as the worst traitor to judaism.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 01:05 PM Anonymous Says:

This is part of the danger of having a chassidus without a Rebbe.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 12:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Why does someone who did wrong need to take if his Payos?? Because he did 1 wrong means he should do another wrong? What about tshuva?? The tora learns us that its NEVER too late to return and its our obligation as a YID to try to Machzir B'tshiva every yid so this article is really non sense even to report. Sorry VIN please live up to your respect. Plz don't take as a cover for wrong doing but its just not fare to educate our fellow jews ! ! !

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 01:44 PM esther Says:

Reply to #1  
Torontotonian Says:

The equivalency of the chitzonious and penimious of a persons'
actions are hardly for us to decide.

Does it not follow that according to the worthy Rabbi, the object of his
scorn need no longer keep shabbos? how about Tfillin?

rav moshe poskined that if one were to go to a certain kind of movie,he should not ware his yamalka because of the chilul Hashem .

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 02:10 PM SimchaBD Says:

Reply to #1: You're missing the point. It's irrelevant what mitzvos he performs in private. The Rav is discussing his public persona while being accused of orchestrating these henious crimes. Rav Schwab Z'tl advised similarly.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 02:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Why does someone who did wrong need to take if his Payos?? Because he did 1 wrong means he should do another wrong? What about tshuva?? The tora learns us that its NEVER too late to return and its our obligation as a YID to try to Machzir B'tshiva every yid so this article is really non sense even to report. Sorry VIN please live up to your respect. Plz don't take as a cover for wrong doing but its just not fare to educate our fellow jews ! ! !

Why? Because it is convenient for the community to not recognize him as one of their own. A Charedi or an Orthodox does something evil like this he is automatically called not Jewish even though the evil thinking came about directly from his religious zeal that convinced him whatever he was doing was justified by the Torah.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 02:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Why does someone who did wrong need to take if his Payos?? Because he did 1 wrong means he should do another wrong? What about tshuva?? The tora learns us that its NEVER too late to return and its our obligation as a YID to try to Machzir B'tshiva every yid so this article is really non sense even to report. Sorry VIN please live up to your respect. Plz don't take as a cover for wrong doing but its just not fare to educate our fellow jews ! ! !

There is no "tshuva" for child molestors...they should be locked away for life since the options for capital punishment in israel are very narrow. We made an exception for Eichman, and perhaps its time to reconsider the law for him and this other guy Teitel we read about today.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 01:59 PM Anonymous Says:

#1:
Anyone with machshovos agaist Torah has aproblem wearing tefilin, unless they are sure their mind will be completely clean while wearing them!
Sometime it is better NOT to wear tefilin if machshovos zorious will raise their ugly head while wearing them.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 02:34 PM gregaaron Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

There is no "tshuva" for child molestors...they should be locked away for life since the options for capital punishment in israel are very narrow. We made an exception for Eichman, and perhaps its time to reconsider the law for him and this other guy Teitel we read about today.

If the Torah does not prescribe death for child molestors, who are you to decide otherwise? (I understand that there is a concept of hora'as sha'ah, and that we kill murderers even without kosher eidim if we know for a fact it was done - see the Mishnah in Sanhedrin, ninth perek - but we should not be making up our own punishments.) And by the way, I'm assuming that you have a high ranking position in the Yeshiva Shel Ma'alah, which is how you know for a fact that there is no Teshuva.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 02:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

There is no "tshuva" for child molestors...they should be locked away for life since the options for capital punishment in israel are very narrow. We made an exception for Eichman, and perhaps its time to reconsider the law for him and this other guy Teitel we read about today.

There's no such this not being able to do tshuva ...... And your point about Israel its an old story they are jews and not living up to the Torah standard so what's your point?? Talk about hungary and Belgium its the same

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 02:29 PM ish chosid hoyoh Says:

Reply to #1  
Torontotonian Says:

The equivalency of the chitzonious and penimious of a persons'
actions are hardly for us to decide.

Does it not follow that according to the worthy Rabbi, the object of his
scorn need no longer keep shabbos? how about Tfillin?

there is a difference between something that is a chiyuv (i.e shabbos, tefillin) and something which is not, (i.e long payos, beard etc.).

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 02:41 PM hello Says:

#5 because the payos are then a chilul hashem.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 03:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Truth be told, the same can be said about many people who live in cities in NY and perpetrate other Chilul Hashems...

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 03:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

This is part of the danger of having a chassidus without a Rebbe.

No, this is the part of not following the Torah and not having kabalas ol and yiras shamayim- what does chassidus and not having a Rebbe have to do with it??
Moshe Rabainu is no longer here with us on this olom but we still learn the Torah and its laws that he helped to give over to klal yisroel so many years ago.
Lets call things the way they are, not having the proper yiras shamayim and being shomer the mitzvos is why a person falls into danger.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 03:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

Amazing article not so much for its content but for the fact that a leader is, well, actually leading.

You are right, & he says it clearly, no beating around the bush. I happen to agree, although I'm sure there are others who disagree. But still, it's about time someone said it how it is. Maybe other rabbanim will follow this lead.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 03:27 PM formally Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

It doesn't matter what this guy does; he no longer is considered a member of klal yisroel and has no claim to any rights or entitlements of being a yid. Anyone who helps him is as much a moser as the worst traitor to judaism.

the only help he should get is to make sure he gets a fair trial.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 04:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu , the son of Mordechai Eliyahu, the former Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel, don't have peyos, look at His picture, no peyos. Another thing, this Rabbi is a Sephardi, and the Sephardim are very emotional and sometimes they get carry away by the emotion, so don't put to much thoughs in His words

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 04:30 PM chief doofis Says:

If I wear t'filin every day, only my fellow shul goers are aware of it. If I "bench" after eating, only my table mates will see. My Tzizit are hidden in my pants. Elior Chen is broadacsting hi spiety to the whole world. As such, he is to be held to a higher standard (at least to the same as us regular guys). A child lies battered, almost to death. others are also injured. He caused this all in the name of some mysterious set of rules, which he feels are part of our Holy Torah. By throwing him out of the camp, we are telling the world, that this type of cruelty is diametrically opposed to the real Torah, and we want nothing to do with trash like him. His l'vush identifies him with the "highest" forms of Judaism. His actions identify him with the headshrikers of the Amazon

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 03:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Why does someone who did wrong need to take if his Payos?? Because he did 1 wrong means he should do another wrong? What about tshuva?? The tora learns us that its NEVER too late to return and its our obligation as a YID to try to Machzir B'tshiva every yid so this article is really non sense even to report. Sorry VIN please live up to your respect. Plz don't take as a cover for wrong doing but its just not fare to educate our fellow jews ! ! !

Agree with you #5, Anonymous! It is never too late to do tshuva! There are too many emotionally disturbed people of some kind today- this is the era of chevlai Moshiach and there are all kind of tzoros, & many have been effected, but we must remember that they can all do tshuva!

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 04:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

This is part of the danger of having a chassidus without a Rebbe.

He is himself a self-appointed rebbe and is not a follower of Breslov despite his appearance.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 04:52 PM Rippin Pinchas Says:

I find it fascinating that some of the people who applaud the author also complain when Charedim, in their view, try to impose their religion. Yet the same people want Chen to remove his religious looks, now imposing religion on someone else is ok. Which one is it? If you have a leave alone/let me live attitude, who are you to tell someone how to look? The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 02:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Do us a favor. We can’t stand the sight of them. I think this is the most telling part of the whole artical as much as I understand rav for writeing and the crowd he is writeing to and probbely he hopes his words will undu a bit of the chilul hashem this basterd of trash has done still with utmost respect I must ask if we would have a non frum Jew keep even one min of shabos wouldent we jump for joy so in line with some of the other posters should somone who was over one averah not keep anyother mitsvos unless you tell me chilul hashem is different couse he is still cousing it I thing it's more of sn emotinal plea not the real Halacha yes it hurts and embrases us that some guy who has no shyuches to us claims to be us and brings us down but what dose that have to do with us how many non frum have done similar things but we do g even hear about it here the media hypes the storey so we look bad all we have to know and say is he is not one of us oh he looks like us so couse he dresses up dosent make him one of us but that dosent meen that if there is anything good he dose he should stop I'm not sure are we god to decide that we aren't all perfect so should we all leave religon I'm not justfying this trash can of a human all I'm asking is it our place or job to even react or should we just teach our kids this is not us he is sick and by the way Esther reb Moshe dosent say he should go with an uncoverd head he says no yarmulkas were a basbal cap or similar just wondering

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 05:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

No, this is the part of not following the Torah and not having kabalas ol and yiras shamayim- what does chassidus and not having a Rebbe have to do with it??
Moshe Rabainu is no longer here with us on this olom but we still learn the Torah and its laws that he helped to give over to klal yisroel so many years ago.
Lets call things the way they are, not having the proper yiras shamayim and being shomer the mitzvos is why a person falls into danger.

Not habing a Rebbe is one thing. Thinking that you are a talmid of and being guided by someone who has been dead for close to 200 yeard can lead to danger. It gives you myth of authority without any guidance.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 05:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

He is himself a self-appointed rebbe and is not a follower of Breslov despite his appearance.

If so why would Rav Eliyahu mention Breslov.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 06:11 PM Simon Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Why does someone who did wrong need to take if his Payos?? Because he did 1 wrong means he should do another wrong? What about tshuva?? The tora learns us that its NEVER too late to return and its our obligation as a YID to try to Machzir B'tshiva every yid so this article is really non sense even to report. Sorry VIN please live up to your respect. Plz don't take as a cover for wrong doing but its just not fare to educate our fellow jews ! ! !

This guy didnt do "just 1 thing wrong", this guy is a "Rotsehc" and a vempire. He should join the Nazis.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 06:05 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

Do us a favor. We can’t stand the sight of them. I think this is the most telling part of the whole artical as much as I understand rav for writeing and the crowd he is writeing to and probbely he hopes his words will undu a bit of the chilul hashem this basterd of trash has done still with utmost respect I must ask if we would have a non frum Jew keep even one min of shabos wouldent we jump for joy so in line with some of the other posters should somone who was over one averah not keep anyother mitsvos unless you tell me chilul hashem is different couse he is still cousing it I thing it's more of sn emotinal plea not the real Halacha yes it hurts and embrases us that some guy who has no shyuches to us claims to be us and brings us down but what dose that have to do with us how many non frum have done similar things but we do g even hear about it here the media hypes the storey so we look bad all we have to know and say is he is not one of us oh he looks like us so couse he dresses up dosent make him one of us but that dosent meen that if there is anything good he dose he should stop I'm not sure are we god to decide that we aren't all perfect so should we all leave religon I'm not justfying this trash can of a human all I'm asking is it our place or job to even react or should we just teach our kids this is not us he is sick and by the way Esther reb Moshe dosent say he should go with an uncoverd head he says no yarmulkas were a basbal cap or similar just wondering

I might agree with your point if I could figure out what the heck you are trying to say. "Stream of Consciousness" worked for James Joyce but you would have done better to organize your thoughts and expressed them with proper construction, grammer, spelling and punctuation.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 06:02 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

There's no such this not being able to do tshuva ...... And your point about Israel its an old story they are jews and not living up to the Torah standard so what's your point?? Talk about hungary and Belgium its the same

I remind everyone that teshuva is not mechaper on aveiros bein adam l'chaveiro. He would have to ask and receive mechilah from every parent he influenced and every child he caused harm. In the case of the poor child who is not expected to recover, I expect that the only possible kaporah for Chen is misah.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 07:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Torontotonian Says:

The equivalency of the chitzonious and penimious of a persons'
actions are hardly for us to decide.

Does it not follow that according to the worthy Rabbi, the object of his
scorn need no longer keep shabbos? how about Tfillin?

tefillin and shabbos you can do behind closed doors . those long payos and beard he wears in public . hes right to say what he said .

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 08:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Sorry but what is he accused of

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 08:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Why does someone who did wrong need to take if his Payos?? Because he did 1 wrong means he should do another wrong? What about tshuva?? The tora learns us that its NEVER too late to return and its our obligation as a YID to try to Machzir B'tshiva every yid so this article is really non sense even to report. Sorry VIN please live up to your respect. Plz don't take as a cover for wrong doing but its just not fare to educate our fellow jews ! ! !

WHAT TESHUVA. He did NOT admit what he did wrong. ESSENTIAL FOR TESHUVA>

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 07:47 PM Understand the difference. Says:

He is not just a jew who did an avera. Its not like he stole or went to a movie or spoke loshon hora. such a person made a mistake can do teshuva and they can still keep the Torah. This monster on the other hand has perverted the Torah. His entire philosophy is wrong and fatally corrupt. The basics of the Torah is love your fellow. He was teaching a message of pain death and destruction to his students. It has nothing to do with Torah and judaism. He deserves a meesa meshunah for his unforgivable crimes to these dear innocent children.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 07:26 PM GRA"H Says:

Reply to #29  
Raphael Kaufman Says:

I remind everyone that teshuva is not mechaper on aveiros bein adam l'chaveiro. He would have to ask and receive mechilah from every parent he influenced and every child he caused harm. In the case of the poor child who is not expected to recover, I expect that the only possible kaporah for Chen is misah.

i think your comment is the only one that actually makes sence here

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 09:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Torontotonian Says:

The equivalency of the chitzonious and penimious of a persons'
actions are hardly for us to decide.

Does it not follow that according to the worthy Rabbi, the object of his
scorn need no longer keep shabbos? how about Tfillin?

I think you missed the message. He is telling the criminal, that he when appears in front of the court, don't portray yourself as a frum Jew (because you are not), but I believe every man is entitled to a personal relationship with HKB"H, sinners included.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Why? Because it is convenient for the community to not recognize him as one of their own. A Charedi or an Orthodox does something evil like this he is automatically called not Jewish even though the evil thinking came about directly from his religious zeal that convinced him whatever he was doing was justified by the Torah.

if the allegations are correct, show me anywhere in Torah where he could of "justified his religious zeal."?

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 10:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu , the son of Mordechai Eliyahu, the former Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel, don't have peyos, look at His picture, no peyos. Another thing, this Rabbi is a Sephardi, and the Sephardim are very emotional and sometimes they get carry away by the emotion, so don't put to much thoughs in His words

If you are referring to the picture that accompanies the article, I assume you are referring to the fellow in the foreground, wearing the necktie? I don't think that's Rabbi Shmuel, who clearly is no friend of Chen and would be unlikely to appear in a picture standing next to him. Maybe the man standing next to Chen is his lawyer or somebody. I also doubt the other man visible, in the blue shirt slightly behind Chen, is Rabbi Shmuel either.

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 Nov 01, 2009 at 10:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Rippin Pinchas Says:

I find it fascinating that some of the people who applaud the author also complain when Charedim, in their view, try to impose their religion. Yet the same people want Chen to remove his religious looks, now imposing religion on someone else is ok. Which one is it? If you have a leave alone/let me live attitude, who are you to tell someone how to look? The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Not the same thing at all. When the "someone" parades around looking like he is a Holy Tzaddik and refuses to show remorse for heinous crimes, he brings the whole of Torah Judaism into disrepute in the eyes of the rest of the world -- the classic definition of Chillul Hashem. This man pretends that he is one of G-d's ambassadors and insists that the preverted doctrine he was preaching is a way of fulfilling the Torah, when it is no such thing. Quite different from someone minding his own business and the Charedim trying to tell them what to do. No "hypocriisy" at all.

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 07:30 AM Moish Says:

When some one masquerades as a hareidi to the point where he convinces a married woman that having sex with her will correct her sins, when a man who dresses in such a fashion convinces others of his piety and tells them that in order not to go to gehenom they must lock their child in a suitcase, or make the child drink kerosene and feces to get the yetzer hara out of the child, or put hot stones on the child and burn out the child's yetzer hara , then the sin is compounded and a result of this Purim Costume in which this charlatan prances about. When he tells an ignorant woman that these corrections are found in teh works of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov and in teh Kaballah Sforim and she believes him because he dresses like the real deal, this costume is a disgrace to all who dress this way in earnest!

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 03:02 AM Doniels Says:

For the record: Teshuva does NOT resolve all crimes; time to learn some Halocho, people!

One of the crimes Teshuva doesn't help with is "CAUSING OTHER PEOPLE TO SIN" (Rambam, Hil. Teshuva 3:14)

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 08:22 AM ST Says:

Why is he telling him to cut off his beared, when he has not been convicted yet?

I know that hw throws in the word 'if', but it sounds as if he is sure that he is guilty.
If he is tried fairly and found guilty, then of course his jewish face is a shame to all religious Jews.
but you do not talk to someone that way, before he has been found guilty to any of his charges.

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 10:02 AM chief doofis Says:

Countries like Brazil, Canada and Israel, don't go about extraditing, seeking to extradite, etc., unless they are very confident that they have a good case, and that it's an important case. If I bought a pair of shoes and didn't pay the VAT, Israel will not seek my extradition. Perhaps this shmendrik is "only" guilty of half of the things he is charged with, he is nonetheless, a walking, talking chillul Hashem.

The title Rabbi, carries responsibility. My S'micha stays at home when I pursue my secular business. It is only relevant when I present a shiur, or stand at the pulpit.

Ya'akov Avinu said, "Bik'halam al Tey'chad K'vodi", (let not my honor be associated with their evil counsel). Unless this is a case of mistaken identity, Elior Chen besmirches the title of Rav, and thereby destroys the legitimacy of our Mesorah. An ordinary "Mr", doesn't represent the Torah, neither should such a vile creature represent anything other than vile creatures.

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 10:07 AM outraged Says:

Why are we only hearing about what this rasha Chen did? What about the parents who were influenced by him? Are they not just as guilty? How can anyone in their right mind listen to Chen and do the horrific things that were done? And to their own children!!!!!!!!! Why are these parents not sitting in Jail?They should be paraded through the streets and have garbage thrown on them!

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

If so why would Rav Eliyahu mention Breslov.

Only because of the payos. Everyone in EY knows about Breslov and payos and what Rabbi Nachman said. Alternately, he may now be claiming he started to follow Breslov in order to say he is no longer involved in what he used to do. However, he was clearly posing as a rebbe/mekubal of his own and not as a chossid of anyone. (same shtick as Helbrans).

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 12:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Israel is the Orey Miklat for meshugaim, underworld gangsters, bearded USA killer of 2, Boruch Goldstein, Russian murderer of 6 and all that were strangers at home.
I begin understanding that none of the Gedoilim decided to move to Israel. i.e.Rabbis Kotler, Grozovsky, Soloveitshick, Feinstein, Schneerson Chaim Heller, Satmerer Rebbe, Squerer Rebbe etc etc. Only second and third class leaders
emigrated to Israel and some senior citizens for a Kever in Jerusalem

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:

I cannot understand why Israel is the Orei Miklot for Meshugaim, Ganovim, Rotschim.
Now we have the Russian monster of 6, the USA bearded monster of 2, Baruch
Goldstein etc.. etc.
Did you ever think why the real American Gedolim, Rabbis Kotler, JB Solo
M. Feinstein, Chaim Heller, Grozovsky, Satmaer Rebbe, Schneerson, Squerer Rebbe were notinterested living in Israel?


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 Nov 02, 2009 at 02:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
outraged Says:

Why are we only hearing about what this rasha Chen did? What about the parents who were influenced by him? Are they not just as guilty? How can anyone in their right mind listen to Chen and do the horrific things that were done? And to their own children!!!!!!!!! Why are these parents not sitting in Jail?They should be paraded through the streets and have garbage thrown on them!

I agree 100%. These parents are the same animals! They are mental and should not be able to live with thier children!!! Where are thier brains????

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 02:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

I cannot understand why Israel is the Orei Miklot for Meshugaim, Ganovim, Rotschim.
Now we have the Russian monster of 6, the USA bearded monster of 2, Baruch
Goldstein etc.. etc.
Did you ever think why the real American Gedolim, Rabbis Kotler, JB Solo
M. Feinstein, Chaim Heller, Grozovsky, Satmaer Rebbe, Schneerson, Squerer Rebbe were notinterested living in Israel?


al pi halocho he is inocent he never harmd no one ......no aides no claim no proof. stop aqusing bring proof not fanteseis that all who hate charaidem like to read open your eyes and you will see lies lies lies

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 Nov 02, 2009 at 07:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Understand the difference. Says:

He is not just a jew who did an avera. Its not like he stole or went to a movie or spoke loshon hora. such a person made a mistake can do teshuva and they can still keep the Torah. This monster on the other hand has perverted the Torah. His entire philosophy is wrong and fatally corrupt. The basics of the Torah is love your fellow. He was teaching a message of pain death and destruction to his students. It has nothing to do with Torah and judaism. He deserves a meesa meshunah for his unforgivable crimes to these dear innocent children.

Going to a movie is a sin? Who knew???

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 Nov 10, 2009 at 02:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
ST Says:

Why is he telling him to cut off his beared, when he has not been convicted yet?

I know that hw throws in the word 'if', but it sounds as if he is sure that he is guilty.
If he is tried fairly and found guilty, then of course his jewish face is a shame to all religious Jews.
but you do not talk to someone that way, before he has been found guilty to any of his charges.

the man is clearly guilty. there is def enough proof - but is it enough proof "for the court"? thats beyond his actions, now its about whether or not the "court" can convict him. do u know how long and how many trials it took to convict jon gotti? does that mean that his earlier crimes "didnt happen" bc they didnt have the means to convict him yet?
sometimes people come out as innocent and truly are but we all know that there were accomplices and there are witnesses and enough proof and ppl have come up to make a case (which takes more than 1 or 2 accusations) i havent been accused of this and neither has my neighbor but this man is. for sure had something to do with it. the only benefit of doubt he can get is that he was not the ring leader (i dont give im that benefit) but to say he was not a part of this and that he isnt guilty is ludicrous!

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 Nov 10, 2009 at 02:24 AM excuseeee me! Says:

Reply to #48  
Anonymous Says:

al pi halocho he is inocent he never harmd no one ......no aides no claim no proof. stop aqusing bring proof not fanteseis that all who hate charaidem like to read open your eyes and you will see lies lies lies

how can anyone say he's innocent... in the accusations it says there were many of them..... therefore there were edim! how this all came about WITH DETAILS is most likely because someone snitched or a trained professional came in as a spy or an informer. no state is dumb enough do take this kind of evil dog in without enough proof to have a case... with all the hell he and his associates brought to not only (evidence A) the poor unconscious child with no future because of their torturous acts but the other children they have done such harm to. we dont have all the facts because we CANT have all the facts so his hell-bound attorney doesnt have all the facts to build lies to protect this demon! look beyond the kippa, look beyond the peyot and think of him as a person jew or non jew religious or not then maybe ur eyes will be opened! if ur child g-d forbid comes home one day and says s/he was abuse by an am ha'aretz in the street or the gadol hador if u do not take it seriously and protect ur child and other children from such criminals than shame on you! you then would have the same responsibility for such acts. next time just shut ur mouth and lower your head in shame!

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 Nov 09, 2009 at 11:04 PM Le Says:

nevermind the yarmulka and peyos, this man should be tortured then get the death penalty.

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