“ how does allowing people to get married suppress your rights? ”

“ This sends a clear message to these liberals who seek to trample our rights...this is what the country wants. Don't you get it? You can't press for YOUR "rights" while suppressing OURS. We voted. You lost. Get over it. ”

“ how does allowing people to get married suppress your rights? ”

“ Allowing gay couples all rights as a married couple (health insurance, decisions for their partners, inheritance, etc.) is something liberals can push through. But asking non gays to call their "union" marriage is forcing non gays to give a haskamah to their lifestyle. That is unfair. Why can't I march in with my sister, mother, or pet goldfish and demand a marriage certificate for us? Because it's a travesty & infringes on my rights as to what marriage means. I love my car, let's call that "marriage." ”

“ Your logic is flawed as well. The government (FDA) says that chazer is okay to eat. I don't believe that, and by telling people it is OK to eat are they infringing on my rights as to what "okay to eat" means? Of course not.

Does a gay person have to accept your definition of marriage? Of course not. So why would you expect him to accept yours? The argument does not hold water. Nobody asks you to accept anyone's lifestyle... that is not part of the law. By the same reason, we should be actively looking to block intermarriage at the state level too. It just isn't an valid argument and actually hurts the cause of those fighting to stop gay marriage.

The only valid reason to be against gay marriage is because it is in violation of what H" requires of us. That is good enough for me. ”

“ The definition of marriage is a Religious definition, not civil. Hence, taking a religious term and defame it in not accordance to religion is defaming that religion.

Yes, call it Civil Unions, but why marriage? To a liberal, marriage is just a term and then can use any term they wish. To religious people, marriage is a holy institution and by subjecting it to a liberal interpretation is violating ones religious rights.
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“ #6, well said. Most of us forget that when one minority starts losing rights, we are usually the next minority to lose as well. Whether or not you support the gays, you should know that it is not the purpose of government to deny them civil rights. Getting friendly with radical Christians now will only lead to trouble for us later. ”

“ The definition of marriage is a Religious definition, not civil. Hence, taking a religious term and defame it in not accordance to religion is defaming that religion.

Yes, call it Civil Unions, but why marriage? To a liberal, marriage is just a term and then can use any term they wish. To religious people, marriage is a holy institution and by subjecting it to a liberal interpretation is violating ones religious rights.
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“ This has nothing to do with rights; it has to do with morally bankrupt people who want to redine what has always been held sacred; the definition of marriage being between one man and one woman. If two people want to live an immoral life together, it is to be condemmed, but to go ahead and redefine a sacred institution to foster your values on me, is a violation of my rights! ”

“ Actually, if you read the Torah and history books, marriage has not always been between one man and one woman. ”

“ To those who argue that permitting gay marriage would not trample on the rights of those who don't want to recognize it, think again. Once gay marriage is legalized, court cases will soon follow (some have already been filed) for discrimination, against party halls, photographers, caterers, etc., who don't want to cater gay weddings. Shuls will be forced to allow such events on their premises.

Yes, legalizing gay marriage would mean limiting the rights of others who hold different values dear. ”

“ Calling yourselves the Chosen by the almighty, and teaching your children to hope and pray only for your ailing, is a violation of my rights. ”

“ Yes, we know, and thats why your ancestors have been murdering us these thousands of years ”

“ Are you mentally deranged?

This man makes a legitimate point, from his point of view, and your response is that its okay, because his ancestors have been killing you? Really? How do you know? Do you even know who he is? Or has EVERYBODY been murdering you for THOUSANDS of years?

It is people like you who embarrass me when anyone outside your little self-righteous community makes a simple statement and you cry "pogrom!" (and then congratulate yourselves for having such a clever response).

I am embarrassed, as a frum Jew, to be identified as being in the same group and same ideology as people like you.

Do you have a polite, reasonable answer for this guy? Fine. If not, sit down and shut up.

Idiot! ”

“ To those who argue that permitting gay marriage would not trample on the rights of those who don't want to recognize it, think again. Once gay marriage is legalized, court cases will soon follow (some have already been filed) for discrimination, against party halls, photographers, caterers, etc., who don't want to cater gay weddings. Shuls will be forced to allow such events on their premises.

Yes, legalizing gay marriage would mean limiting the rights of others who hold different values dear. ”

“ So if the libs (down the line) would, theoretically, declare it illegal to marry somebody of the opposite gender unless they had a "starter marriage" with someone of the same gender, and I oppose it, am I "Getting friendly with radical Christians " ?

If the libs in power will not fund Yeshivos that are not hiring 50% Gay-Americans, and I oppose this, am I "Getting friendly with radical Christians " ?

If the libs require your daughter to attend a "Safe-Sex & Contraception" course in order for her to be eligible for WIC, and I oppose this, am I "Getting friendly with radical Christians " ? ”

“ During Roman times, homosexual pedophilia and statutory rape were also socially acceptable and institutionalized. How can anyone be so blind to see the immorality inherent in institutionalized perversion? At what point do we make a fence between humans and apes? Is that arbitrary? Perhaps bestiality ought to be a right as well, as there are those who claim to be so predisposed to the act (RL"Z) so as to be an instinct? ”

“ To those who argue that permitting gay marriage would not trample on the rights of those who don't want to recognize it, think again. Once gay marriage is legalized, court cases will soon follow (some have already been filed) for discrimination, against party halls, photographers, caterers, etc., who don't want to cater gay weddings. Shuls will be forced to allow such events on their premises.

Yes, legalizing gay marriage would mean limiting the rights of others who hold different values dear. ”

“ Are you mentally deranged?

This man makes a legitimate point, from his point of view, and your response is that its okay, because his ancestors have been killing you? Really? How do you know? Do you even know who he is? Or has EVERYBODY been murdering you for THOUSANDS of years?

It is people like you who embarrass me when anyone outside your little self-righteous community makes a simple statement and you cry "pogrom!" (and then congratulate yourselves for having such a clever response).

I am embarrassed, as a frum Jew, to be identified as being in the same group and same ideology as people like you.

Do you have a polite, reasonable answer for this guy? Fine. If not, sit down and shut up.

Idiot! ”

“ Homosexual pedophilia and statutory rape might have been socially acceptable in ancient Rome, but the Gemara says the reason Rome was not destroyed because of this (specifically homosexuality) was because they didn't institutionalize it as marriage (I think the language was 'they didn't write kesubos').

The implication is that any society which institutionalized homosexual unions (i.e., declares them valid marriages) is doomed to destruction, R"L.

And I heard one respected Rav state that once homosexual marriage is accepted, they will go after "the next passuk" - bestiality, R"L. ”

“ The reason why the united states government gives tax benefits and other incentives for those couples that get married is because those couples are performing the most important service for their country, they are creating the NEXT GENERATION of Americans! Simply pit, "gay marrige" is an oxymoron and it does not make fiscal sense for the united states to grant benefits for people who aren't contributing to the American population! ”

“ The definition of marriage is a Religious definition, not civil. Hence, taking a religious term and defame it in not accordance to religion is defaming that religion.

Yes, call it Civil Unions, but why marriage? To a liberal, marriage is just a term and then can use any term they wish. To religious people, marriage is a holy institution and by subjecting it to a liberal interpretation is violating ones religious rights.
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“ why would people try and make heterosexual marriages illegal?

yeshivot should not be funded with public money.

Frankly, I think an compulsory family planning class before getting free money because you have chosen a lifestyle that precludes getting a real education is not a bad idea at all. maybe fewer hungry children that way. ”

“ Are you mentally deranged?

This man makes a legitimate point, from his point of view, and your response is that its okay, because his ancestors have been killing you? Really? How do you know? Do you even know who he is? Or has EVERYBODY been murdering you for THOUSANDS of years?

It is people like you who embarrass me when anyone outside your little self-righteous community makes a simple statement and you cry "pogrom!" (and then congratulate yourselves for having such a clever response).

I am embarrassed, as a frum Jew, to be identified as being in the same group and same ideology as people like you.

Do you have a polite, reasonable answer for this guy? Fine. If not, sit down and shut up.

Idiot! ”