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Notables brought in on horseback (Photo: Moshe Goldstein)
The groom, 19, was critically wounded at the age of two when he fell out of a third-floor window. Doctors predicted he would suffer from irreversible brain damage. Against all odds, the boy completely recovered and, over the years, became one of the prodigies of Hasidism's Torah academies. The groom's doctor, who did not give the boy a chance, was invited to the wedding to witness the occasion up close.
In the past few days, massive tents were erected for the guests. Among the many guests who attended the wedding were grand rabbis from other large Hasidic sects, such as Ger and Belz. The groom and his father, the grand rabbi, were escorted into the ceremony on an ornate horse-drawn carriage accompanied by Hasidic notables, who rode in on horses.
Before the meal, 1,800 chickens, 800 kg (1,764 lbs) of beef, 1.2 tons of carp, and a 30 meter (30 yard) challah were prepared – for the men only. Kitchen manager and Sanz Yeshiva chef, Aharon Levinstein, reported that he worked for a month straight preparing some 19,000 dishes for the wedding and the surrounding celebrations. He said he hasn't been home since last Shabbat.
Lots of eating took place in the women's tent as well. The womens' dishes were supplied by an external catering company from Bnei Barak.
The Sanz-Klausenberg Hasidic dynasty, considered one of the largest today in Israel, was started in Europe by the author of "Divrei Chaim," Grand Rabbi Chaim Halberstam of Sanz. The dynasty in Israel numbers a few thousand households, most of which are located in Netanya's Kiryat Hahasidut.
Acting Netanya Mayor Rabbi Shimon Sher, a Sanz hasid, told Ynet that this is the largest event the Hasidic movement has ever known, indicating the groom's childhood injury, which he himself witnessed, and the fact that he is the grand rabbi's son as explanations for the phenomenon.
Another hasid told Ynet of his feelings for the rabbi on the happy occasion: "The relationship between a student and a rabbi is often just as strong as the relationship between a son and his father… I feel elated and excited when the man who nourishes my entire spiritual world marries off his last son."
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:09 AM Anonymous Says:
What's up with the horses?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:55 AM Its 6pm and I am hungry Says:
Mazel Tov to the rebbe... the chusan cahalla and the entire Klall Yisroyel
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:
I wonder if this is really what the Baal Shem Tov had in mind.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:24 AM Anonymous Says:
“ What's up with the horses? ”
Can't you figure it out? look at the caption , They are the NOTABLES!!!. But on a more serious note, have these Rebbes lost ther minds completely ? I'm just waiting for the next mishilach from sanz to show up at my house here in New York with a sob story about how their moisad needs money. I'll send him to the horses for a donation. or perhaps they can raise some money by cleaning the stables, or perhaps raffle off the horses at the next chinese auction !!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:23 AM Sus Says:
What a waste of yiddish gelt!!!!!
How many poor families in Kiryat Sanz?
Mazel Tov!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:23 AM Yitzy Says:
Who s Bracha Unsdorfer -and what is her yichus??
Isn't that more imipoprtant than counting the horses?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:
Seems there's a competition now among the Chasidm, who can have the biggest wedding.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:
Sick and getting Sicker!!!! What are we showing our children and the world?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:17 AM Anonymous Says:
whats amazing is that no one missed work
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:14 AM Anonymous Says:
Given that this is a simcha, I was wondering why everyone on picture 31 (Chosson, Kallah, female relatives) looks so sad.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:40 AM Anonymous Says:
Before the meal, 1,800 chickens, 800 kg (1,764 lbs) of beef, 1.2 tons of carp, and a 30 meter (30 yard) challah were prepared – for the men only. The womens' dishes were supplied by an external catering company from Bnei Barak.
Not a good way to start married life...they have the elite chassideshe chefs cooking gourment food for the ehrleche menchen but the varbeshe kitchen is frozen chulent from Bnai Brak. If this is not "abusive", then please tell me why the disparate treatement. Also, I don't see the bride or the schvuger getting to ride on a horse. What with the horses anyway. Is this some old Klasuenberger minhag from Warsaw.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:40 AM Anonymous Says:
Fascinating that the artilce talks about the husband, the horses and the food, but virtually nothing about the bride.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:36 AM dov Says:
mazel tov! im related to them
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:30 AM Anonymous Says:
Chassidim riding horses? Every Chassid jumps two feet in the air if he sees a street cat within 3 feet of him. They just can't stand animals, any animal.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:53 AM Anonymous Says:
Thanx 4 the beautiful pics! Dunno about anybody else, but I found the pics of the rabbis on horses hysterical!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:51 AM major flaw in system Says:
What a total waste of yiddeshe gelt. Dont tell me it was donated,because that doesnt make it ok . What happened to the takkonos that the rebbes put out for weddings . This is ONE BIG JOKE . People a re literally starving in israel and especially in the chareidishe neighborhoods and this is what we do to celebrate?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:44 AM Chosid Says:
As the Klausenberger Rov ZT"L would say, "A Ferd Zitsed of A Ferd".
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:45 AM Cadd9 Says:
Can someone please explain the the "notables ' being brought in on horseback?
What about "lo yarbe lo sussim"?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:43 AM Proud Israeli Says:
let me see..... 10,000? that's 10 Brigades to fight the terrorists & enemies when we go to war! That's great!
Oh, I forgot! These guys don't fight for Israel. What a shame! I guess that I'll just have to work harder & do more miluim to make up for them
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:42 AM The Truth Says:
Amazing sight!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:40 AM Anonymous Says:
A show.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:45 AM Tomid B'Simcha Says:
Reply to #6: Kalla is daughter of Rav Yaakov E. Unsdorfer Rav of Reishis Chochma in Montreal.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:45 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Can't you figure it out? look at the caption , They are the NOTABLES!!!. But on a more serious note, have these Rebbes lost ther minds completely ? I'm just waiting for the next mishilach from sanz to show up at my house here in New York with a sob story about how their moisad needs money. I'll send him to the horses for a donation. or perhaps they can raise some money by cleaning the stables, or perhaps raffle off the horses at the next chinese auction !! ”
I hear yah. But really, what's with the horses? Was there someone who actually said this is a good idea, and another group of people agreed?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:38 AM Bystander Says:
What a disgrace, in such an economy with Yidden strugling all over the world for bare necessities a leader should show such splurging of yiddish gelt (horses carriages etc.) I guess that is 2009 Chasiddus totally materialistic the bigger the rebbe (by number of chassidim) the bigger the splurge on mosros. A nice example a beautiful lesson.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:29 AM Anonymous Says:
Only 10000 people that's a big event?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:00 AM Anonymous Says:
why does there always have to be people only on the lookout to critisize and joke about everything?!?!? Obviously these people may have no or only a little common sense to keep their instinct comments to themselves. And btw, yes, the horse riding to the Chasuna is a minhag that the Rebbe follows! Minhag Yisroel Torah Hu. Would u comment on any Mitzvah somebody does? If this is his minhag then its like a Mitzvah to him.. So kindly think before u write & speak!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:07 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Fascinating that the artilce talks about the husband, the horses and the food, but virtually nothing about the bride. ”
“ Fascinating that the artilce talks about the husband, the horses and the food, but virtually nothing about the bride.”
Your so right...the chashuve horses get more mention than the kallah...maybe she was already sent home to clean up and start getting ready to have a mishpacha. I counted 23 pictures of the rebbe and/or the chasan, 7 pictures of the horses and only 3 of the kallah.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:08 AM fisher says Says:
well, i lost money at the Gemach of Kalusenburg,, now i know where the money is,,renting horses, & spending everyones money, i bet you PF is there too
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:06 AM Not a Sanz Chosid Says:
“ Sick and getting Sicker!!!! What are we showing our children and the world? ”
Yeah, What are we showing our children and the world?”
Videos, x box, shavers, short dresses, un filtred internet etc.. ahhh thats not a waste ff time and money? huh?
It was a minhag in sanz, (not only klausenberg)and a lot of rebbisha hoifin, to bring horses and people dressed up as cossacs. I saw many picturs of the alter heim where you see horses. So they had a few horses. you making it sound like these horses where manufatcured just for them. Big deal a few horses. And even in the poor olden days a chasunah from a rebbe was a big thing. Its said that many of you just dont have the feelings for real simcha
Like those who make fun of rebbe's who Fir tish Fiday night and thousend people watch him eat.
oh I for got.
“ Sick and getting Sicker!!!! What are we showing our children and the world?”
Oh maybe Taking them to a baseball game or renting some movies thru netflix that is whst the baal shem tov intennted. Yuck, reading posts on this site and others really comes to show what nebech people are up to.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:02 AM anonymous Says:
“ As the Klausenberger Rov ZT"L would say, "A Ferd Zitsed of A Ferd". ”
dunno if you know but the klausenberg rebbe also had horses by his youngest childs wedding!!!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Fascinating that the artilce talks about the husband, the horses and the food, but virtually nothing about the bride. ”
Never again give a dime when these Klausenberger Klowns (a.k.a. "shelichim, gaaboim or schneurers) come to the beis medrash begging for money for the rebbe's mosdos or the poor yidden and orphans in EY without food for shabbos or clothing for yom tov. By such outrageous sending on a lavish simcha they make a mockery of their constant begging for more tzadakah.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:02 AM Luke Says:
Struck me odd that NOBODY is smiling in the pictures.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:01 AM David Says:
“ Fascinating that the artilce talks about the husband, the horses and the food, but virtually nothing about the bride. ”
Actually, it did. It said she was his cousin. (cue the banjos)
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:01 AM Anonymous Says:
“ As the Klausenberger Rov ZT"L would say, "A Ferd Zitsed of A Ferd". ”
what happened was they called up asking for a ford to drive to the wedding and the guys like "ah ferd??" and the chossid is like "yuh yuh ah ford" and thats what happened
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:57 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Before the meal, 1,800 chickens, 800 kg (1,764 lbs) of beef, 1.2 tons of carp, and a 30 meter (30 yard) challah were prepared – for the men only. The womens' dishes were supplied by an external catering company from Bnei Barak.
Not a good way to start married life...they have the elite chassideshe chefs cooking gourment food for the ehrleche menchen but the varbeshe kitchen is frozen chulent from Bnai Brak. If this is not "abusive", then please tell me why the disparate treatement. Also, I don't see the bride or the schvuger getting to ride on a horse. What with the horses anyway. Is this some old Klasuenberger minhag from Warsaw.
”
The men have to eat from the Yeshiva kitchen while the women get food from a real caterer. Who's being abused here?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:53 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Who s Bracha Unsdorfer -and what is her yichus??
Isn't that more imipoprtant than counting the horses? ”
I heard that she is an einekel of Avrohom ,Yitchok and Yakov.
Why is the "Yichus" important? To me the sight of Rabbonim and notables allowing themselves to be put on horseback and to be driven in horse drawn carriages is beyond comprehension.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:50 AM Anonymous Says:
This article is very disheartening. The chassidishe world has become an elitist culture where yichus is what deems you a great person/jew. Is this what the Ba'al Shem Tov had in mind? Didn't the Ba'al Shem Tov's set out to get rid of elitisim (in the litivish culture) and tell every simple Jew that they are great too.
Where is the spirituality in this culture? Where is the emes? It is all a show with the Rebbe's and all of their groupies following. How sad.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 10:50 AM Anonymous Says:
There is a horse stable right near kiryat sanz on the beach. It is for tourists. They probably gave them the horses for free.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:36 AM yechi Says:
look at picture # 24!! i wonder what everybody thought of THAT guy!! LOL!!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:35 AM Heshy Says:
I guess I'll be the first to ask - Whats with the horses??
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:34 AM Anonymous Says:
please - someone explain to me the horses? anyone? it looks like the most degrading thing
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:18 AM Gefilte Fish Says:
Hey hey, ich vill zan a rebbe... anyone know the song? sing along.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:21 AM Anonymous Says:
“ well, i lost money at the Gemach of Kalusenburg,, now i know where the money is,,renting horses, & spending everyones money, i bet you PF is there too ”
ma hakesher? it sounds like u know for a fact that ur gemach is affiliated with this wedding! please do some research before commenting.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:20 AM Cadd9 Says:
“ Who s Bracha Unsdorfer -and what is her yichus??
Isn't that more imipoprtant than counting the horses? ”
After much thought, the onlty explanation I can come up with for the horses and the horse drawn carriages ,is the Hassidic fetish with 18th century Poland and Russia.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:18 AM moshe Says:
I usually enjoy reading comment by readers but today it seems naive.
the horses are rented and must be a sanz minhag (renting horses are not expensive in Israel).
wasting yidish gelt? where? I don't see any flowers or a fancy hall, professional photographers etc. or any of that.
Picture 31 that's obviously by mitzva tanz witch is a serious moment after benching and a time to pray for a great future life for the couple, together.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 09:26 AM chusid Says:
Finally the tzanzer rebbe made it to be recognized as a real grand rabbi
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:24 AM Anonymous Says:
“ why does there always have to be people only on the lookout to critisize and joke about everything?!?!? Obviously these people may have no or only a little common sense to keep their instinct comments to themselves. And btw, yes, the horse riding to the Chasuna is a minhag that the Rebbe follows! Minhag Yisroel Torah Hu. Would u comment on any Mitzvah somebody does? If this is his minhag then its like a Mitzvah to him.. So kindly think before u write & speak! ”
Thanks, now I know about the horses. QED.
Just to nitpick, is this "Minhag Yisrael..." or "Minhag Admorei Sanz". Meaning, is a private minhag "Torah Hu"? Just a question.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:38 AM godol HaDor Says:
Ok, let's takeh get real here. I'm not a tanzer but I would love to have a simcha of my rebbe to share in, so did 10,000 sanzers. The horses is a minhag (like the skvere shtivlach) the hall and the band was probably bupkess if anything. How much u think the cost per portion in israel was? Let's overestimate at $10 a portion (labor was donated) so it s a whopping $100,000!! Wowwee!so let's say all told with clothing etc it costed $200,000!! I have been at frum bar mitzvahs and sheva brochos, that approached that number how much u think a lakewood rosh yeshiva chasuna costs? How bout a daf yomi siyum? I don't see the big deal that an eidah kedosha wants to celebrate its rebbes simcha and everybody takes part in it. Its beautiful. Anyone who has been at these chasuna knows that u don't get food or dessert its all about simcha. So especially in these hard times what's wrong with a little joy? To the guy who won't give the meshullach I ask how much he spent for his kids bar mitzvah bakol mikol kol?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:35 AM Anonymous Says:
“ look at picture # 24!! i wonder what everybody thought of THAT guy!! LOL!! ”
“ look at picture # 24!! i wonder what everybody thought of THAT guy!! LOL!!”
They thought he was there collecting for tzedakah, he is even carrying a letter from his Rav.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:40 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Who s Bracha Unsdorfer -and what is her yichus??
Isn't that more imipoprtant than counting the horses? ”
granddaughter of harav shmuel alexander undsdorfer rabbi and roshyeshiva of mesivta reishis chochma of montreal prized student of late gaon r'YEKUSIEL YEHUDA [who would have dispised all the wasted food and money] son of the head of the chevra kadisha in PRESSBURG
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:39 AM Anonymous Says:
The first photo reminds me of BONANZA.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:39 AM Anonymous Says:
As a bucher in Yeshiva I went horseback riding and was almost kicked out of the Yeshiva and now we have the rabbi himself on a horse, maybe they should kick him out....
The issue here is not the horses, its the amount of money spent on a wedding when it could have been spent on better things. This is not the time to splurge and show off when other people cannot pay their rent. Why is it when I go to negotiate over the price of cheder for my kids they could tell me I have to give more because I have this type of car or because I went to the country and I cannot answer that I should give less because the mosod spent $1million+ on a wedding?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:34 AM Anonymous Says:
Just to nitpick, are the horses"Minhag Yisrael..." or "Minhag Admorei Sanz". Meaning, is a private minhag "Torah Hu"? Just a question
The horses are m'doryisah....the more choshuve the guests, the greater the number of susim and gamalim the torah requires....
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:32 AM Anonymous Says:
Thousands of young men enjoying themselves at an indulgent wedding without a care in the world, while their lesser orthodox and secular counterparts are risking their lives defending the country. Whats wrong with this picture?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:31 AM Anonymous Says:
this is an old minhag in sanz that the chosson and kallah come to the wedding with a horse and buggy. If something is not crystal clear to you all out there, you just make fun. Very intelligent I must say.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:25 AM Monsey Man Says:
“ I wonder if this is really what the Baal Shem Tov had in mind. ”
So healthy for cousins to keep marrying cousins. Science sch-mience.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:24 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I wonder if this is really what the Baal Shem Tov had in mind. ”
Oh stop being so old fashioned...lol
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:42 AM Zigi Says:
Chassidic culture has become one big horse race.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:41 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Thanks, now I know about the horses. QED.
Just to nitpick, is this "Minhag Yisrael..." or "Minhag Admorei Sanz". Meaning, is a private minhag "Torah Hu"? Just a question. ”
for the Admorei Sanz it is Minhag Yisroel and thats why its Torah Hu. If this is his minhag then he has to keep on to it just like any other mitzvah. Got it?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:40 AM Anonymous Says:
I can't believe I am the first one with this comment. There are signs all around about an issur to take pictures yet there are plenty of pictures.???
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:48 AM Cadd9 Says:
“ Ok, let's takeh get real here. I'm not a tanzer but I would love to have a simcha of my rebbe to share in, so did 10,000 sanzers. The horses is a minhag (like the skvere shtivlach) the hall and the band was probably bupkess if anything. How much u think the cost per portion in israel was? Let's overestimate at $10 a portion (labor was donated) so it s a whopping $100,000!! Wowwee!so let's say all told with clothing etc it costed $200,000!! I have been at frum bar mitzvahs and sheva brochos, that approached that number how much u think a lakewood rosh yeshiva chasuna costs? How bout a daf yomi siyum? I don't see the big deal that an eidah kedosha wants to celebrate its rebbes simcha and everybody takes part in it. Its beautiful. Anyone who has been at these chasuna knows that u don't get food or dessert its all about simcha. So especially in these hard times what's wrong with a little joy? To the guy who won't give the meshullach I ask how much he spent for his kids bar mitzvah bakol mikol kol? ”
It's not a question of the money. It seems immature ,narcissistic and elitist to have "notables" making a grand entrance on horseback. I am really disturbed by the spectacle.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:48 AM The Truth Says:
“ whats amazing is that no one missed work ”
Best comment! So true! So sad.
I found one guy smiling - picture 14, 5th row 12 from right....
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:54 AM Ben Says:
This spectacle is so degrading that even the horses were complaining!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:48 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Thanks, now I know about the horses. QED.
Just to nitpick, is this "Minhag Yisrael..." or "Minhag Admorei Sanz". Meaning, is a private minhag "Torah Hu"? Just a question. ”
To all of you who are only concerned about the horses;
Do you recall the mashol of the horse that wanted to drink some water from a pond but saw his shadow. Thinking that its some other horse bothering him, he started kicking the water. The problem was, that he unwillingly messed up the water and he was left with a mud pie to drink.
You people are kicking ur own shadow! You all end up looking like the foolish horse!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Who s Bracha Unsdorfer -and what is her yichus??
Isn't that more imipoprtant than counting the horses? ”
Actually no, they are both not important. Does he get along with her? Will they be happy? Who cares about her yichuss? I will say that marrying his cousin is probasbly not the best idea. There is enough inbreeding within those communities without marrying direct family members.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:05 PM looking Says:
y did they make one mchyten looking like a BAL HGULAH?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:57 PM anonymous Says:
“ I wonder if this is really what the Baal Shem Tov had in mind. ”
I don't think so and in view of the matziv many are living now in Eretz Yisrole this pomp and circumstances is thrown out money which should have been spent on helping ureme yidden and kinder
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Fascinating that the artilce talks about the husband, the horses and the food, but virtually nothing about the bride. ”
What do you want to know about her? She's a high-school student.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Best comment! So true! So sad.
I found one guy smiling - picture 14, 5th row 12 from right.... ”
Excellent comment "Truth" just as good as #9's. :)
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:55 PM Crazy Says:
“ “ Fascinating that the artilce talks about the husband, the horses and the food, but virtually nothing about the bride.”
Your so right...the chashuve horses get more mention than the kallah...maybe she was already sent home to clean up and start getting ready to have a mishpacha. I counted 23 pictures of the rebbe and/or the chasan, 7 pictures of the horses and only 3 of the kallah.
”
You pervert!!!, but you don't have to advertise it!!!.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:52 PM OMG Says:
“ what happened was they called up asking for a ford to drive to the wedding and the guys like "ah ferd??" and the chossid is like "yuh yuh ah ford" and thats what happened ”
you are funny
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:51 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I heard that she is an einekel of Avrohom ,Yitchok and Yakov.
Why is the "Yichus" important? To me the sight of Rabbonim and notables allowing themselves to be put on horseback and to be driven in horse drawn carriages is beyond comprehension.
”
The Kallah looks bored and the Chussen looks stunned. What else can i say - oh yea - I did not get an invite.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:50 PM anon Says:
“ I heard that she is an einekel of Avrohom ,Yitchok and Yakov.
Why is the "Yichus" important? To me the sight of Rabbonim and notables allowing themselves to be put on horseback and to be driven in horse drawn carriages is beyond comprehension.
”
LOL/ I LOVE your yichus description. i will be using it if thats OK? As a BT I have now found my yichus! Thanks.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:
Is that Rabbi Twersky, MD on the dais-
If so, that is a gadol worthy of a celebration
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:44 PM OMG Says:
“ this is an old minhag in sanz that the chosson and kallah come to the wedding with a horse and buggy. If something is not crystal clear to you all out there, you just make fun. Very intelligent I must say. ”
Minhag? back then they didn’t have cars in sanz I am sure that in sanz they didn’t have toilet paper either.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:43 PM formally Says:
“ I usually enjoy reading comment by readers but today it seems naive.
the horses are rented and must be a sanz minhag (renting horses are not expensive in Israel).
wasting yidish gelt? where? I don't see any flowers or a fancy hall, professional photographers etc. or any of that.
Picture 31 that's obviously by mitzva tanz witch is a serious moment after benching and a time to pray for a great future life for the couple, together. ”
why is everybody asking for pictures of the challha I thought that was a no no.like when they block out pictures of woman in the newspapers in Israel.
Now, I can spend money on stupid things, like a new ipod, car, computer and all luxuries. The rebbies have shown the way how to splurge and spend money like a drunken sailor (savage).
For once I will follow the rebonum lead
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:35 PM berel Says:
“ I wonder if this is really what the Baal Shem Tov had in mind. ”
what is it that really bothers you? did the bal shem hakadosh have so many chassidim? was there transportation in those days so chassidim can just fly over the globe in few hours?. yes those rebbishe daynasties at later date had much more chassidim(uvnei yisroel paruh v'yisratzu) and they hade largeweddings which the cassidum made not the rebbes
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:35 PM formally Says:
“ I usually enjoy reading comment by readers but today it seems naive.
the horses are rented and must be a sanz minhag (renting horses are not expensive in Israel).
wasting yidish gelt? where? I don't see any flowers or a fancy hall, professional photographers etc. or any of that.
Picture 31 that's obviously by mitzva tanz witch is a serious moment after benching and a time to pray for a great future life for the couple, together. ”
I usually enjoy reading comment by readers but today it seems naive.
the horses are rented and must be a sanz minhag (renting horses are not expensive in Israel).
wasting yidish gelt? where? I don't see any flowers or a fancy hall, professional photographers etc. or any of that.
what minhag, they did it way back then since they had no cars that is all
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:33 PM formally Says:
“ The men have to eat from the Yeshiva kitchen while the women get food from a real caterer. Who's being abused here? ”
I guess there is some benefits to sitting in back of a bus
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:31 PM Anonymous Says:
“ “ Fascinating that the artilce talks about the husband, the horses and the food, but virtually nothing about the bride.”
Your so right...the chashuve horses get more mention than the kallah...maybe she was already sent home to clean up and start getting ready to have a mishpacha. I counted 23 pictures of the rebbe and/or the chasan, 7 pictures of the horses and only 3 of the kallah.
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Im impressed they even have a picture of the Kallah!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:30 PM Anonymous Says:
The Yidden have spoken, we don't want to see any more 10,000 guest Haredi weddings posted.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:01 PM Silly Says:
“ let me see..... 10,000? that's 10 Brigades to fight the terrorists & enemies when we go to war! That's great!
Oh, I forgot! These guys don't fight for Israel. What a shame! I guess that I'll just have to work harder & do more miluim to make up for them ”
Do you know how many are not Israelis???.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:02 PM Anonymous Says:
“ let me see..... 10,000? that's 10 Brigades to fight the terrorists & enemies when we go to war! That's great!
Oh, I forgot! These guys don't fight for Israel. What a shame! I guess that I'll just have to work harder & do more miluim to make up for them ”
you dont know what ur talking about. in kiryat sanz it is very accepted to be in the army
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:00 PM yank Says:
to all chassidim haters. when your neighbor friends etc buys a lexis , builds a fancy house etc etc do you run over abd admonish them 'this money couldve beem given to tzedakah, poor family, yeshivah etc ..NO! you dont .and these kind sof chasunas are being paid by individuals who want to partake i the rebbes simcha
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:28 PM Lawyer Says:
“ Before the meal, 1,800 chickens, 800 kg (1,764 lbs) of beef, 1.2 tons of carp, and a 30 meter (30 yard) challah were prepared – for the men only. The womens' dishes were supplied by an external catering company from Bnei Barak.
Not a good way to start married life...they have the elite chassideshe chefs cooking gourment food for the ehrleche menchen but the varbeshe kitchen is frozen chulent from Bnai Brak. If this is not "abusive", then please tell me why the disparate treatement. Also, I don't see the bride or the schvuger getting to ride on a horse. What with the horses anyway. Is this some old Klasuenberger minhag from Warsaw.
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Who told you the women ate "forzen chulent from Bnei Brak?" For that matter, who said the men's foods was not also handled by a "caterer?" (Which is just a fancy name for someone who arranges the food and hires the cooks.)
Caterers can make very fancy food too. Almost every wedding I have been to has the food furnished by a "caterer," and most were pretty fancy.
(What likely happened is they hired separate companies for preparing the food, due to the large numbers. The write of the article interviewed the men's caterer and got the rundown on how much chicken, beef, etc. was used for the men.)
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:27 PM Anonymous Says:
“ this is an old minhag in sanz that the chosson and kallah come to the wedding with a horse and buggy. If something is not crystal clear to you all out there, you just make fun. Very intelligent I must say. ”
Anyway, I think the horses are cool.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:
Oh come on.. There is a minhag for a Chosson and Kallah to come on horses???? Let me fill you in on something. In 18th century Europe, THERE WERE NO CARS!!!
I think we are forgetting the distinction between minhagim in doing a mitzvah (do you stand/sit for kiddush, how many hours between milk and meat) and minhagim of "thats the way it was done."
BTW, in next weeks parsha it says that the Kallah came by camel. No horse, no "notables" why change the minhag
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Can't you figure it out? look at the caption , They are the NOTABLES!!!. But on a more serious note, have these Rebbes lost ther minds completely ? I'm just waiting for the next mishilach from sanz to show up at my house here in New York with a sob story about how their moisad needs money. I'll send him to the horses for a donation. or perhaps they can raise some money by cleaning the stables, or perhaps raffle off the horses at the next chinese auction !! ”
yr so sinacale ,, get life and say someting smart and nice
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ for the Admorei Sanz it is Minhag Yisroel and thats why its Torah Hu. If this is his minhag then he has to keep on to it just like any other mitzvah. Got it? ”
I hear you. I am not sure you are correct. Not every hanhaga gets transformed into "Minhag Yisrael Torah..." If it would then it might well be assur to eat with a fork (i am not sure they ate with a fork in europe a few hundred years ago), or it might be obligatory to use an outhouse exclusively. I have been noticing that shtreimelach are significantly taller lately. Is this maybe being unfaithful to minhag? So not every hanhaga, even a hanhaga tova becomes "just like any other mitzvah. Got it?"
Any way, to each his own, and may the young couple have decades of happiness.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:13 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Yeah, What are we showing our children and the world?”
Videos, x box, shavers, short dresses, un filtred internet etc.. ahhh thats not a waste ff time and money? huh?
It was a minhag in sanz, (not only klausenberg)and a lot of rebbisha hoifin, to bring horses and people dressed up as cossacs. I saw many picturs of the alter heim where you see horses. So they had a few horses. you making it sound like these horses where manufatcured just for them. Big deal a few horses. And even in the poor olden days a chasunah from a rebbe was a big thing. Its said that many of you just dont have the feelings for real simcha
Like those who make fun of rebbe's who Fir tish Fiday night and thousend people watch him eat.
oh I for got.
“ Sick and getting Sicker!!!! What are we showing our children and the world?”
Oh maybe Taking them to a baseball game or renting some movies thru netflix that is whst the baal shem tov intennted. Yuck, reading posts on this site and others really comes to show what nebech people are up to.
”
Mr Genius! In the alter haim they had horses because that is what they rode. They did not have cars!!! The alter Haim they used outhouses, maybe we should to?
And how can you compare shavers, which is mutter to extravagant spending?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:11 PM Anonymous Says:
Ppl!! You guys are so judgemental! Who says the rebbe spent money on those horses??? Maybe someone donated it! Wow! Why does there have to be critisizing all the time?? Be happy for them and their beautiful simcha!!!
Mazal tov!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:11 PM Anonymous Says:
“ To all of you who are only concerned about the horses;
Do you recall the mashol of the horse that wanted to drink some water from a pond but saw his shadow. Thinking that its some other horse bothering him, he started kicking the water. The problem was, that he unwillingly messed up the water and he was left with a mud pie to drink.
You people are kicking ur own shadow! You all end up looking like the foolish horse! ”
There was a misscommunication during the wedding preparation. They ordered extra horseradish, instead they were sent extra horses.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:09 PM Anonymous Says:
“ To all of you who are only concerned about the horses;
Do you recall the mashol of the horse that wanted to drink some water from a pond but saw his shadow. Thinking that its some other horse bothering him, he started kicking the water. The problem was, that he unwillingly messed up the water and he was left with a mud pie to drink.
You people are kicking ur own shadow! You all end up looking like the foolish horse! ”
Your comment makes alot of horse sense.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:09 PM Cadd9 Says:
“ this is an old minhag in sanz that the chosson and kallah come to the wedding with a horse and buggy. If something is not crystal clear to you all out there, you just make fun. Very intelligent I must say. ”
The minhag is sanz for the chosson kallah to come in a horse and buggy to the wedding was that before the advent of the automobile? Is there a minhag for "notables" to ride in on horseback? Who decides who is "notable"?
I don't see this being a minhag at all. No mihag Yisroel is exclusive to Rebbeshe families. The torah was given equally to all. There is no mekor to a specific mode of transportation being used by a wedding as a minhag. It doesn't pass muster as a minhag yisroel .
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:09 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Given that this is a simcha, I was wondering why everyone on picture 31 (Chosson, Kallah, female relatives) looks so sad. ”
How would you like to marry someone you do not know or had any say.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:02 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Yeah, What are we showing our children and the world?”
Videos, x box, shavers, short dresses, un filtred internet etc.. ahhh thats not a waste ff time and money? huh?
It was a minhag in sanz, (not only klausenberg)and a lot of rebbisha hoifin, to bring horses and people dressed up as cossacs. I saw many picturs of the alter heim where you see horses. So they had a few horses. you making it sound like these horses where manufatcured just for them. Big deal a few horses. And even in the poor olden days a chasunah from a rebbe was a big thing. Its said that many of you just dont have the feelings for real simcha
Like those who make fun of rebbe's who Fir tish Fiday night and thousend people watch him eat.
oh I for got.
“ Sick and getting Sicker!!!! What are we showing our children and the world?”
Oh maybe Taking them to a baseball game or renting some movies thru netflix that is whst the baal shem tov intennted. Yuck, reading posts on this site and others really comes to show what nebech people are up to.
”
Without passing judgement on the KR, the horses are over the top. Even if it's a minhag (which I doubt) in todays' economy 'men darf nisht varfen yenem in oigen'.
Ostentatious displays are uncalled for. Feeding the 10k guests is a mitzva, it's nice to see such a huge crowd at a simcha, but stam spending money on frivolties is IMHO wrong when so many people are suffering.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 12:00 PM Anonymous Says:
Isn't marrying your cousin considered incest ?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:58 AM The Truth Says:
“ Ok, let's takeh get real here. I'm not a tanzer but I would love to have a simcha of my rebbe to share in, so did 10,000 sanzers. The horses is a minhag (like the skvere shtivlach) the hall and the band was probably bupkess if anything. How much u think the cost per portion in israel was? Let's overestimate at $10 a portion (labor was donated) so it s a whopping $100,000!! Wowwee!so let's say all told with clothing etc it costed $200,000!! I have been at frum bar mitzvahs and sheva brochos, that approached that number how much u think a lakewood rosh yeshiva chasuna costs? How bout a daf yomi siyum? I don't see the big deal that an eidah kedosha wants to celebrate its rebbes simcha and everybody takes part in it. Its beautiful. Anyone who has been at these chasuna knows that u don't get food or dessert its all about simcha. So especially in these hard times what's wrong with a little joy? To the guy who won't give the meshullach I ask how much he spent for his kids bar mitzvah bakol mikol kol? ”
But who is paying for all this and all the other Rebbes Chasnos, and the big siyum hashas?- the money needs to come from somewhere or someone. Someone somewhere has to work hard to earn that money. If they (we, you, all of us) would not make such lavish affairs then instead of getting donations for this, that money would be given to other people/ mosdos/ institutions that need the money - like the schools & yeshivos & Tomchei Shabbos. Its all very nice making a huge simcha for the entire community, but A) it sets a precedent for those in the community & all the other Rebbes, and B) as far as I know, everyone is in a recession now.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:58 AM Anonymous Says:
The cost per portion was maybe 3 or 4 dollars . The waiters are volunteers
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:
This whole scene is something we should all be ashamed of. This is no way to carry on at any time but more so during a troubling economic situation. So many people are out of work and they waste money on nonsense like this. Shame, shame, shame.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ How would you like to marry someone you do not know or had any say. ”
At least they are getting married and not adding to the Shidduch Crises.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:21 PM FVNMS Says:
“ mazel tov! im related to them ”
....the horses?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ let me see..... 10,000? that's 10 Brigades to fight the terrorists & enemies when we go to war! That's great!
Oh, I forgot! These guys don't fight for Israel. What a shame! I guess that I'll just have to work harder & do more miluim to make up for them ”
thanks for the pictures and the videos its beautiful, I wish i could've been there
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:20 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Who told you the women ate "forzen chulent from Bnei Brak?" For that matter, who said the men's foods was not also handled by a "caterer?" (Which is just a fancy name for someone who arranges the food and hires the cooks.)
Caterers can make very fancy food too. Almost every wedding I have been to has the food furnished by a "caterer," and most were pretty fancy.
(What likely happened is they hired separate companies for preparing the food, due to the large numbers. The write of the article interviewed the men's caterer and got the rundown on how much chicken, beef, etc. was used for the men.)
”
"Caterers can make very fancy food too. Almost every wedding I have been to has the food furnished by a "caterer," and most were pretty fancy."
Most food at the meals of chasanas taste like mikvah waser.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:
I allways knew that a yid is not allowed to ride a horse.
Anyone could tell me if its tru?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:32 PM Babishka Says:
I think they should change this minhag of horses, to Cadillacs. Then maybe some people in Detroit could get jobs!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:38 PM anonymous Says:
Next Tuesday is the 10th of November, 1938 in Vienna there was a pogrom, Yidden were beaten to death and tortured at the Gestapo headquarter, Yidden were sent to Buchenwald and Dachau and Sefer Torahs were burned . I cannot imagine the l'shem chesed and ahavas Yisroel it would not been more k'daye to distribute food to Yisomim and to alte menschen. How about dedicate good food to shaarei tzedek. I grew among chasidim but not with that pomp and crass behavior
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:35 PM Anonymous Says:
“ This whole scene is something we should all be ashamed of. This is no way to carry on at any time but more so during a troubling economic situation. So many people are out of work and they waste money on nonsense like this. Shame, shame, shame. ”
They could have invited all the poor people to partake in the feast.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I think they should change this minhag of horses, to Cadillacs. Then maybe some people in Detroit could get jobs! ”
They stopped making Cadillacs, Did you know that?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:30 PM NB Says:
First of all...theres no way there are 10,000 people there...
Maximum 3-5,000
As for the cost..
it seems like a pretty simple affair to me. I didnt see anything fancy...
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:19 PM Anonymous Says:
Ladies & Gentlemen:
while all of you were busy with shtissim, I did the homeork! check it out Tosfos Mesechtes Succah Daf 45 umed 1 starting w/ MIYAD SHEHEIVE MINHAG BACHIRIM SHEROCHVIM BASISIM LIKRAS CHOSON: SHEKEIN NAHAGI MACHMES SIMCHAS CHOSON.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:18 PM Anonymous Says:
What about all the rebbishe takanoos of small weddings?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:44 PM Anonymous Says:
“ this is an old minhag in sanz that the chosson and kallah come to the wedding with a horse and buggy. If something is not crystal clear to you all out there, you just make fun. Very intelligent I must say. ”
I can understand the chosson and kallah riding in on horses, it's actually a very nice idea. But all those rebbes and 'notables' on horses just looks silly.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I allways knew that a yid is not allowed to ride a horse.
Anyone could tell me if its tru? ”
“ I allways knew that a yid is not allowed to ride a horse.
Anyone could tell me if its tru?”
There are takanas and psaks going in both directions.....today, most of the big gadolim hold that recreational horseback riding is a bitul torah and done in most cases to emulate the goiyeshe minhagim and thus is assur unless necessary for functional purposes (i.e. to travel where there is no other mode of transportation). Howvever, there ae others who are not as machmir and do not hold that is is per se assur to engage in such recreational activity. There is nothing "tameh" about a horse and you don't have to toivel in mikvah after riding a horse.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 03:01 PM Mendel Says:
Shame on you, all jew haters. FACT: The smallest inexpensive wedding at Ateres Avrum from the yeshivish / Litvish crowd costs more that the entire Sanz wedding.
FACT: The women happen to have gotten the better deal at the weddng. Much better food
FACT: Every time that you eat a wafer or buy a sandwich, do you ask yourself, " Boy wouldn't this be better spent to give it to the poor in Israel".
Why these ridiculous, hateful, nonsensical comments. Have you ever questioned the flowers, videos, shtik, specail cars, chupas, dresses, etc etc that has become the common practice. You cant understand why people travel to Israel for a simcha and call it a waste of money. What is 150 americans going to Israel forYarchai Kallah. They cant learn in the U.S.A. or maybe import 5 speakers to make it cheaper. The answer both are needed. Stop showing your childish hatred. Gut Shabbos.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 03:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Ladies & Gentlemen:
while all of you were busy with shtissim, I did the homeork! check it out Tosfos Mesechtes Succah Daf 45 umed 1 starting w/ MIYAD SHEHEIVE MINHAG BACHIRIM SHEROCHVIM BASISIM LIKRAS CHOSON: SHEKEIN NAHAGI MACHMES SIMCHAS CHOSON. ”
gr8 comment!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 03:19 PM chusidwb Says:
Some of you have a point that all this is yiddish gelt . Can I know how many of you refrained from going to the sports game of your liking or any other recreation and instead give the money to needy people , if you did this than you have a right to bash , if not (and most of you didn't) shut up !!!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 03:04 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I can understand the chosson and kallah riding in on horses, it's actually a very nice idea. But all those rebbes and 'notables' on horses just looks silly. ”
"all those rebbes and 'notables' on horses just looks silly"
To whom would it look silly...to the rest of the world, the horses are the most normal part of the pictures...the circa 17th century "polish nobility lvush" is probably more of a curiosity.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:
“ ....the horses? ”
I nominate this as best post of the day.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:57 PM Anonymous Says:
“ to all chassidim haters. when your neighbor friends etc buys a lexis , builds a fancy house etc etc do you run over abd admonish them 'this money couldve beem given to tzedakah, poor family, yeshivah etc ..NO! you dont .and these kind sof chasunas are being paid by individuals who want to partake i the rebbes simcha ”
Said neighbor, friends, etc. didn't get their money by ringing countless doorbells and showing a letter from their Rebbe asking for money for poor yidden. In addition, I'm pretty sure these neighbors, friends, etc. who have the money to buy a Lexus, build a fancy house, etc. are all paying yeshiva tuition with no discount thereby subsidizing the yeshiva tuition of kinderlach that need scholarships. I bet they even give a considerable amount of money to tzedaka as well. Stop hating on people because they are financially successful, many make your life easier too.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:54 PM Anonymous Says:
“ First of all...theres no way there are 10,000 people there...
Maximum 3-5,000
As for the cost..
it seems like a pretty simple affair to me. I didnt see anything fancy...
”
"...it was a pretty simple affair to me. I didnt see anything fancy...
were you there, and if so, can you tell us how was the food, (for the men, we don't care about the varbehse tzimis)
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:
“ They stopped making Cadillacs, Did you know that? ”
No, they didn't stop making Cadillacs. You need to go outside more often.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:48 PM Anonymous Says:
“ To all of you who are only concerned about the horses;
Do you recall the mashol of the horse that wanted to drink some water from a pond but saw his shadow. Thinking that its some other horse bothering him, he started kicking the water. The problem was, that he unwillingly messed up the water and he was left with a mud pie to drink.
You people are kicking ur own shadow! You all end up looking like the foolish horse! ”
There's nothing analogous about your mashol and the comments people are making. The only common thread is that they're both about horses. Work on your cognitive thinking before making another nonsensical comment like this one.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 03:57 PM Anonymous Says:
What is really sad is that the daily VIN "daf yomi" postings typically attract less than 10-15 posts, while we already have over 120 posts arguing about whether chashuve rabbonim should be riding horses to a chassanah and whether the chassanah itself should have been held in a barn versus the big shul with a famous chef. Where are our priorities??
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Nov 06, 2009 at 04:20 PM Anonymous Says:
I feel bad for this poor Kallah whose friends tell her that her wedding was the most popular item today on the biggest frum yiddeshe website in the world and she comes on line and sees all these dreche comments about the horses and rabbonim. Maybe before we sign off for shabbos we can all wish the chassan/kallah a mazel tov from everyone and say just ignore posts 1 to 125
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Nov 06, 2009 at 04:15 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Ok, let's takeh get real here. I'm not a tanzer but I would love to have a simcha of my rebbe to share in, so did 10,000 sanzers. The horses is a minhag (like the skvere shtivlach) the hall and the band was probably bupkess if anything. How much u think the cost per portion in israel was? Let's overestimate at $10 a portion (labor was donated) so it s a whopping $100,000!! Wowwee!so let's say all told with clothing etc it costed $200,000!! I have been at frum bar mitzvahs and sheva brochos, that approached that number how much u think a lakewood rosh yeshiva chasuna costs? How bout a daf yomi siyum? I don't see the big deal that an eidah kedosha wants to celebrate its rebbes simcha and everybody takes part in it. Its beautiful. Anyone who has been at these chasuna knows that u don't get food or dessert its all about simcha. So especially in these hard times what's wrong with a little joy? To the guy who won't give the meshullach I ask how much he spent for his kids bar mitzvah bakol mikol kol? ”
Harav godol Hadoor! You're missing the point! The Rebbes come out with new restrictions and new Issurim everyday! They are allowed to be ostentatious and splurge money on stupidity, when others are struggling! Frankly! this picture with the Chassidim on horses is disgusting!!!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 04:15 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Reply to #6: Kalla is daughter of Rav Yaakov E. Unsdorfer Rav of Reishis Chochma in Montreal. ”
and first cousin to the chason. her father his mother sister and brothers. Unsdorfer great family. Im sure the ruv was mortified!
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Nov 06, 2009 at 02:05 PM Not so expensive Says:
By my calculations ,the entire wedding including food ,tents etc cost about 50 to 60,000 maximum . The food was cooked by the yeshiva cook and all the labor was volunteers . For the ladies there was a caterer but I assume it was a low end job .The music was volunteers . There was no flowers or photographers . A regular chasunah in Terrace on the Park for 500 people costs more than this . A chasunah in ateres Avrohom for 700 people WITH BAR AND BAND AND FLOWERS AND VIDEOS can cost more thAN THIS
I dont think 50,000 for the head of a kehilla of many thousands is so extravagant .
I loe the way all the anti Chasidim or anti Chareidim use every pportunity to riticize without knowing the facts
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:58 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Im impressed they even have a picture of the Kallah! ”
“ Im impressed they even have a picture of the Kallah!”
Don't be so impressed, it's the only one of the pictures that you can't enlarge. I'm not joking, try it.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:53 PM formally Says:
“ you dont know what ur talking about. in kiryat sanz it is very accepted to be in the army ”
maybe you can enlighten us about the numbers that are in the army.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:50 PM Lawyer Says:
“ "Caterers can make very fancy food too. Almost every wedding I have been to has the food furnished by a "caterer," and most were pretty fancy."
Most food at the meals of chasanas taste like mikvah waser.
”
Depends on the weddings you go to. I have had pretty decent food at weddings. The smorgasbord tends to be better than the sit-down.
The point is that there is nothing in the article that indicates the men ate fancy while the women ate leftovers.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:50 PM formally Says:
“ I allways knew that a yid is not allowed to ride a horse.
Anyone could tell me if its tru? ”
how do you think they got around before they invited the car?
BY a cow?
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:42 PM Anonymous Says:
“ "Caterers can make very fancy food too. Almost every wedding I have been to has the food furnished by a "caterer," and most were pretty fancy."
Most food at the meals of chasanas taste like mikvah waser.
”
"Most food at the meals of chasanas taste like mikvah waser"
If you check, the chef who prepared all the elaborate food was the well known chef, Aharon Levinstein who is knows for gourment kosher cuisine. The meal was planned months in advance and as you would expect, included only meats with the rebbe's personal chassideshe hashgacha. Chef's Levinstein is one of the rising stars among kosher chefs in EY>
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:36 PM FVNMS I Says:
“ why does there always have to be people only on the lookout to critisize and joke about everything?!?!? Obviously these people may have no or only a little common sense to keep their instinct comments to themselves. And btw, yes, the horse riding to the Chasuna is a minhag that the Rebbe follows! Minhag Yisroel Torah Hu. Would u comment on any Mitzvah somebody does? If this is his minhag then its like a Mitzvah to him.. So kindly think before u write & speak! ”
Ok, I thought. Here are those thoughts: the comment-posters are correct. I agree with you, also, that ppl tend to criticize and disparage wholesale - which is not nice and not a mitzvah. But come on, my brother. Think about how it LOOKS, tzim git yoor! I'm not criticizing (love the horses - nice touch). But I appreciate the comic value this has to those "lamed tzaddik"s who like to bash chassidim. Chassidish "notables" riding on HORSES. Separate menu for the women (even if its upgraded, still "oimer darshayni"). This article making scant reference to the kallah. I'M NOT AGAINST ANY OF THIS. But wow, this will be brought up over and over and over again for years to come by those who don't like chassidim.
I do appreciate Rebbes and chassidus, I am not chassidish in appearance, practice, etc. But many relatives of mine are, and I am ben achar ben from one of the Baal Shem Hakudesh's biggest talmidim. I, and many like me, appreciate the air of royalty chassidus has for the Rebbishe families, the central role the Rebbe plays in the everyday life of the chusid, etc.
TO BE CONTINUED
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:39 PM FVNMS II Says:
“ why does there always have to be people only on the lookout to critisize and joke about everything?!?!? Obviously these people may have no or only a little common sense to keep their instinct comments to themselves. And btw, yes, the horse riding to the Chasuna is a minhag that the Rebbe follows! Minhag Yisroel Torah Hu. Would u comment on any Mitzvah somebody does? If this is his minhag then its like a Mitzvah to him.. So kindly think before u write & speak! ”
CONTINUED
Of course it is completely appropriate for a rebbishe chassunah to be extravagant, more so than the average shtinker like you and me. And we chassidim (I stand with my chassidishe brothers and background sisters on this one) don't have to care about the criticism which ensues. One day all these naysaying misnagdim will do tsheeveh sheleimeh and see the light. But we can't get offended by the to-be-expected comments. OMG did I mention the horses?
Alle yidden a mazel tov in a git shabbes.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Isn't marrying your cousin considered incest ? ”
“ Isn't marrying your cousin considered incest ?”
No, he is not marrying his sister or any of the forbidden relatives.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 01:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Is that Rabbi Twersky, MD on the dais-
If so, that is a gadol worthy of a celebration ”
Rav Twersky, Z'tl was niftar years ago so its unlikley he is the rebbe in the photo.
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Nov 06, 2009 at 05:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ “ Isn't marrying your cousin considered incest ?”
No, he is not marrying his sister or any of the forbidden relatives.
”
Marrying a cousin is not considered to be a good idea because of the inbreeding and much higher risk of genetic defects in the children. Howvever, most rabbonim would say it is not assur l'chatchilah.
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Nov 07, 2009 at 06:24 PM truth says Says:
I know Bruchy very - as a kallah she deserves the attention should be on her from her friends and family but instead all the attention goes to her father.
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Nov 07, 2009 at 07:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I feel bad for this poor Kallah whose friends tell her that her wedding was the most popular item today on the biggest frum yiddeshe website in the world and she comes on line and sees all these dreche comments about the horses and rabbonim. Maybe before we sign off for shabbos we can all wish the chassan/kallah a mazel tov from everyone and say just ignore posts 1 to 125 ”
I highly doubt if this Kallah goes on the internet. So don't worry about hurting her feelings on here.
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Nov 07, 2009 at 07:48 PM Anonymous Says:
I think they are trying to save money with the hoeses instead of renting cars.
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Nov 07, 2009 at 07:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I highly doubt if this Kallah goes on the internet. So don't worry about hurting her feelings on here. ”
Why do you assume she is not smart enough to use the internet. Many frum chassidim use the internet and even beis yaa'kov girls are taught basic computer skills.
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Nov 07, 2009 at 08:03 PM Anonymous Says:
Guys the point of notables or riding on horses is all written in the gemara! Like comment 112 said , I am going to translate,
It says : its a minhag that bochurim meaning the notables, should ride in front of the chosson on horses on the day of his wedding!!
So there is the answer to all of you! It is not a wrong thing , its actually a mitzva to treat a chosson and kalla like king and queen on their wedding day! (the kalla probably chose not to ride in a wagon for tznius purposes)....
And for arguments sake, I can imagine that the horses are cheap!! At least cheaper than the limos the kallas nowadays go in for their weddings... And its even possible that someone let them use those horses for free as a favor to the rebbe..so stop saying things you guys don't know! Just wish this couple a mazal tov instead of making fun of everything the chassidim do!!
I think its a very nice idea! MAZAL TOV!!!!!
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Nov 07, 2009 at 08:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Guys the point of notables or riding on horses is all written in the gemara! Like comment 112 said , I am going to translate,
It says : its a minhag that bochurim meaning the notables, should ride in front of the chosson on horses on the day of his wedding!!
So there is the answer to all of you! It is not a wrong thing , its actually a mitzva to treat a chosson and kalla like king and queen on their wedding day! (the kalla probably chose not to ride in a wagon for tznius purposes)....
And for arguments sake, I can imagine that the horses are cheap!! At least cheaper than the limos the kallas nowadays go in for their weddings... And its even possible that someone let them use those horses for free as a favor to the rebbe..so stop saying things you guys don't know! Just wish this couple a mazal tov instead of making fun of everything the chassidim do!!
I think its a very nice idea! MAZAL TOV!!!!! ”
The gemorah you misquote talks about bochurim riding horses. Even in the time of the talmud "bochurim" didn't mean chushive rabbonim and gadloei torah. Also, whats possible tzinus issue would there be for a kallah to ride in the wagon. You make her sound like some extremist.
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Nov 07, 2009 at 08:17 PM Anonymous Says:
Whatever they want to spend on their wedding is their business----I'm sure with 10,000 guests, they were very frugal.
The questions I have are 1. if photos/videos were prohibited, why were there photos?
2. Why do the women have to have separate caterers from the men?
A short while ago, I read an article by a modern orthodox woman whose son married into a chareidi family. She noticed that the wedding meal for the men was vastly superior to that for the women. Apparently, this is now the trend -- first, separate seating everywhere, then separate hours for men and women for banks, post office, etc., then separate sidewalks, now separate menus!!!
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Nov 07, 2009 at 08:14 PM shmil dovid Says:
Tzanz has like 1200 chasidm all over the world and by the wedding there were close to 2000 people
Maybe at the huge rebbes like ger and belz there were 10000 people
Tzanz still has a long way to get there
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Nov 07, 2009 at 09:24 PM Anonymous Says:
Answer to 126
Who cares who is riding!! As long as there is someone to escort them in honor!!
And maybe the kalla could not for the reason of not being able to see her chosson on the day of the wedding !!!
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Nov 07, 2009 at 09:18 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Why do you assume she is not smart enough to use the internet. Many frum chassidim use the internet and even beis yaa'kov girls are taught basic computer skills. ”
No one suggested that she is "not smart enough to use the internet." That was YOUR interpretation. Both of these families do not look as if they have "triefa" computers in their homes.
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Nov 07, 2009 at 09:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Without passing judgement on the KR, the horses are over the top. Even if it's a minhag (which I doubt) in todays' economy 'men darf nisht varfen yenem in oigen'.
Ostentatious displays are uncalled for. Feeding the 10k guests is a mitzva, it's nice to see such a huge crowd at a simcha, but stam spending money on frivolties is IMHO wrong when so many people are suffering. ”
i think you make a great point what are we teaching our children
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Nov 07, 2009 at 10:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ No one suggested that she is "not smart enough to use the internet." That was YOUR interpretation. Both of these families do not look as if they have "triefa" computers in their homes. ”
"Both of these families do not look as if they have "triefa" computers in their homes"
The chasan and kallah are both from orthodox families so why wouldn't they have filters on their computers like most frume yidden do. Why do you even suggest they would have what you call "treifa" computers which I assume you mean a computer that can go to porno sites.
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Nov 07, 2009 at 10:39 PM Anonymous Says:
Filters are NOT foolproof. I agree with the other poster, these don't look like families that have ANY computers at all in their homes.
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Nov 07, 2009 at 10:28 PM berl Says:
The wedding looks to be a very expensive night
To build such a tent for the wedding night is close to half a million $ and the rest of the expenses that used to be common by rebisha weddings but since the economy broke and jews are hurting it generally stopped
However I think that 2000 people at the wedding let's even assume there were close to 3 thousand they can still be fit in a main hall maybe not sitting all the time but eating the meal in several places and then stand on the perenches like they do in bobov and belz
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Nov 07, 2009 at 09:49 PM Anonymous Says:
Answer to 126
Who cares who is riding!! As long as there is someone to escort them in honor!!
And maybe the kalla could not for the reason of not being able to see her chosson on the day of the wedding !!!
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Nov 07, 2009 at 09:45 PM Anonymous Says:
“ whats amazing is that no one missed work ”
Why should they go to work when they can get state aid or welfare subsidies.
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Nov 08, 2009 at 05:54 AM HUNGRY IN ERETZ YISROEL Says:
I am chasidishe and I live in Eretz Yisroel. It is so sad that these chasidishe rebbeim spend millions on these simchas and millions on these grand batei midrashim when hundreds and hundreds of their own mishpachos don't have food.
Hashem Yirachem!
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Nov 08, 2009 at 04:07 AM Anonymous Says:
i have to agree its terrible all that money spent when people are starving i am no chasidish and dont have anything against them but don t come crying to my door when you need money
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Nov 08, 2009 at 03:09 AM Anonymous Says:
“ First of all...theres no way there are 10,000 people there...
Maximum 3-5,000
As for the cost..
it seems like a pretty simple affair to me. I didnt see anything fancy...
”
but my friend u maybe right that by the man wasnt,but there was women there aswell, so could be all togather was about 10000 people.
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Nov 08, 2009 at 12:37 AM Miss Williamsburg Says:
“ Isn't marrying your cousin considered incest ? ”
No it's not. It's not unheard of and obviously if it happens by Rabbonim who I assume know Halacha better than you and me then it is OK Halacha-wise.
I know one such a couple. They are a lovely couple. They are Modernish Chassidisih/Litvish but am sure they asked their Rav ,and am sure tested with Dor Yeshorim beforehand.
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Nov 08, 2009 at 12:31 AM Miss Williamsburg Says:
“ How would you like to marry someone you do not know or had any say. ”
That is mean. They look serious because it's at the Mitzvah Tanz which is a very serious time, your comment was therefore uncalled for and you know it. She might be much happier than many couples who've dated for months to years.
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Nov 08, 2009 at 09:17 AM cadd9 Says:
“ Ladies & Gentlemen:
while all of you were busy with shtissim, I did the homeork! check it out Tosfos Mesechtes Succah Daf 45 umed 1 starting w/ MIYAD SHEHEIVE MINHAG BACHIRIM SHEROCHVIM BASISIM LIKRAS CHOSON: SHEKEIN NAHAGI MACHMES SIMCHAS CHOSON. ”
The Tosafos in Sukka is being misquoted. Tosafos is discussing "youths" who joust on horses . "nilchomim".
Tosafos is trying to clarify the halachic implications of damages to horses or clothing during the mock jousting.
Tosafos tries to prove that since the jousters joined for the simcha they can not later claim damage. In no way does Tosafos condone these acts or imply that it is a minhag.
The poster rewrote the Tosofas by omitting and editing to serve his needs.
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Nov 08, 2009 at 09:17 AM cadd9 Says:
“ Ladies & Gentlemen:
while all of you were busy with shtissim, I did the homeork! check it out Tosfos Mesechtes Succah Daf 45 umed 1 starting w/ MIYAD SHEHEIVE MINHAG BACHIRIM SHEROCHVIM BASISIM LIKRAS CHOSON: SHEKEIN NAHAGI MACHMES SIMCHAS CHOSON. ”
The Tosafos in Sukka is being misquoted. Tosafos is discussing "youths" who joust on horses . "nilchomim".
Tosafos is trying to clarify the halachic implications of damages to horses or clothing during the mock jousting.
Tosafos tries to prove that since the jousters joined for the simcha they can not later claim damage. In no way does Tosafos condone these acts or imply that it is a minhag.
The poster rewrote the Tosofas by omitting and editing to serve his needs.
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Nov 08, 2009 at 10:23 AM Anonymous Says:
“ LOL/ I LOVE your yichus description. i will be using it if thats OK? As a BT I have now found my yichus! Thanks. ”
my great grandfather once got a letter which was signed with the man listing all his yichus.... my great grandfather wrote back and signed ploni ben ploni, neched shel avraham avinu, m'zivug rishon- a great grandson of Avraham Avinu, from his first wife!!! That was enough for him!
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Nov 08, 2009 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:
whats amazing is that no one missed work - thats because none of them work
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Nov 09, 2009 at 05:00 AM Laniado Hospital Says:
“ Next Tuesday is the 10th of November, 1938 in Vienna there was a pogrom, Yidden were beaten to death and tortured at the Gestapo headquarter, Yidden were sent to Buchenwald and Dachau and Sefer Torahs were burned . I cannot imagine the l'shem chesed and ahavas Yisroel it would not been more k'daye to distribute food to Yisomim and to alte menschen. How about dedicate good food to shaarei tzedek. I grew among chasidim but not with that pomp and crass behavior ”
The Chosson's Grandfather was the Klausenberger Roov zt"l that went through Auschwitz lost a wife and eleven children, opened a yeshiva in the DP camp right after the war, raised dozens of yesomim as his own children, remarried had a family founded a yishuv in Union City and the city of Kiryat Sanz as well as building the Laniado Hospital and attached nursing school. You have zero on Klausenberg. If the Chasidim want to come celebrate with their Rebbe the continuance of the Sanzer Dynasty that hovered on extinction during the second world war, it's their right and privilige. When lecture about the second world war to the chasidim, your preaching to the wrong people. They all have zaidehs with the same last name - "Hashem Yinkom Damo". Save your self righteousness for the modern orthodox that spend the same amount for a wedding with 800 people.
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Nov 09, 2009 at 09:39 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The Chosson's Grandfather was the Klausenberger Roov zt"l that went through Auschwitz lost a wife and eleven children, opened a yeshiva in the DP camp right after the war, raised dozens of yesomim as his own children, remarried had a family founded a yishuv in Union City and the city of Kiryat Sanz as well as building the Laniado Hospital and attached nursing school. You have zero on Klausenberg. If the Chasidim want to come celebrate with their Rebbe the continuance of the Sanzer Dynasty that hovered on extinction during the second world war, it's their right and privilige. When lecture about the second world war to the chasidim, your preaching to the wrong people. They all have zaidehs with the same last name - "Hashem Yinkom Damo". Save your self righteousness for the modern orthodox that spend the same amount for a wedding with 800 people. ”
"Save your self righteousness for the modern orthodox that spend the same amount for a wedding with 800 people.”
For your information very few MO have weddings with 800 people.
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Nov 09, 2009 at 10:45 AM Anonymous Says:
Don't knock an old chasiddic minhag of Cossacks and horses. Look at some pictures of pre-war Chassidic weddings.
Most chassidic wedding are paid for by the chassidim who feel priviledged to help the Rebbe with the expenses, thereby becoming an integral part of the wedding.- another old minhag. When the Rebbe marries off its like your father is marrying off.
And what's wrong with a once in a blue moon good night out. Most of these people never went to a concert, watched TV or a DVD etc.................. Fargin them
And don't knock Klausenberg - just ask any Israeli about Laniado Hospital.
You don't have to beleive in everything, but these guys got history on their side.
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Nov 09, 2009 at 11:22 AM Rangers Goalie Says:
“ I am chasidishe and I live in Eretz Yisroel. It is so sad that these chasidishe rebbeim spend millions on these simchas and millions on these grand batei midrashim when hundreds and hundreds of their own mishpachos don't have food.
Hashem Yirachem! ”
Millions?/ I think it's billions and trillions! and I also think that if a rebbe has thousands of chasidim, they shouldn't build a big shul. They should daven in basement bunkers, right? Then they can give you their money. BTW do you think that if their own "mishpocho" needed somewhere to daven, would ther then be a reason to build big shuls or should they daven in the bunker?
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Nov 09, 2009 at 11:59 AM Anonymous Says:
To # 156 if you're hungry why are you blogging and not working ? How do have money for a computer and internet access ?
Don't make yourself a Tzaddik in order to knock others.
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Nov 15, 2009 at 08:20 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Struck me odd that NOBODY is smiling in the pictures. ”
Bad Badchan