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Jerusalem - The birth of a son to a young couple from Israel’s Central Region turned into a string of nightmares when the mohel who performed the bris made a poor incision, causing severe injuries. As a result of the slip the infant had to undergo some ten operations and still requires further treatments.

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During the bris the mohel bandaged the organ too tightly, causing excessive pressure. The infant cried all night and the next day. The worried parents called the mohel, who said he would come the next day, but did not arrive. The parents took the baby to the hospital, where doctors discovered how serious the damage was.

The Rishon Letzion Magistrate’s Court recently sentenced the mohel to six months’ community service and a fine of NIS 10,000 ($2,650).

“I would have been happy had the outcome been different. The money is not important and obviously this amount does not even cover the medications. But in my opinion they should have given him a jail sentence,” said the baby’s mother.


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 Nov 08, 2009 at 09:32 AM Oy vey........ Says:

Shreklach...... I get the chills when I see such stories. Nebach on the parents & this little Neshamala. May he have a Refua Sh'laime & the parents should have lots of Nachas from him!!

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 09:27 AM Big Masmid Says:

very sad, I have nothing to say

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 09:45 AM Moishe Groinem Says:

Besides him not showing up as promised the next day, I don't see anything this Moihel did intentionaly wrong.
Every Moihel can make a mistake.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 09:57 AM shimon Says:

this is not just a mistake all moihels should have medical training

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 09:50 AM iib001 Says:

What about revoking his license to practice or at least suspend and have him retrained! I feel so sorry for the infant and parents.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 10:04 AM Raphael Kaufman Says:

You know, we often joke about the one word you don't want to hear from the mohel, "oops", but this is no joke. Frankly, I've never heard of a mohel messing up like this before. Besides the criminal sentence and fine, isn't he civilly liable for malpractice?

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 10:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to 3
I agree but some mistakes are more costly than others now I'm not sure who this mohel is and if has a reputation as a good mohel or if it's his first time if it's a new mohel with no track record than perhaps we shouldban him from further brisin but one thing is forsure regardless be carfull who you pick as a mohel I recall before I Made my first bris I askt the. Mohel for rferences and under who he traind and I spoke to his rebby and after he asured me that he watcht him preform over 400 sucesfull brisim I hierd him

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 10:01 AM anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Moishe Groinem Says:

Besides him not showing up as promised the next day, I don't see anything this Moihel did intentionaly wrong.
Every Moihel can make a mistake.

No a mohel cannot make mistake only a shochet because a shochet deals with beheimos and then they are treife. This is a little Yiddishe kind a bit different. Matter of fact Hopkins Pediatric Urology has dealt with such mistakes and congenital abnormalities and they are a lifetime problem. If he makes mistake let him for
Empire with chickens

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 10:16 AM Anonymous Says:

is there such a thing as a certified mohel ? not that certified people can't make mistakes.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 10:24 AM Dag Says:

A Mohel should ALWAYS check on the baby within 24 hours

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 11:02 AM ibur chochem Says:

#3 When someone runs a red light and nearly kills you because he/she was on a cell phone and the person that smashed your car gets out and tells you mistakes happen, I would like to see your reaction!

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 10:54 AM Anonymous Says:

I pray that this baby does not end up with permanent damage which will prevent him from having kids. Ten operations sounds like very severe damage was caused. The mohel should be in prison for his negligence!
Can you imagine the guilt that the parents will have for the rest of their lives?

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 11:11 AM Moshe Says:

This Mohall sounds like a selfish person. He should have come when called by the parents, especially since the baby cried all night.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 11:51 AM Anonymous Says:

I feel bad for the child and parents, but the parents are too harsh on the mohel. its not like he did it on purpose.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 11:50 AM serel chana maness Says:

sometimes surgrey isn't the answer,arnica-homeopathic medicine is better as it was bruises and also blessings for refula sheima

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 11:46 AM Moshe Says:

HKB"HU controls the world. We don't know why he did this.
(Thank you to)

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 11:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Yes a baby must be checked soon after the bris ESPECIALLY if he cried so much. and then he didn't show up!!!

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 12:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Reply to 3
I agree but some mistakes are more costly than others now I'm not sure who this mohel is and if has a reputation as a good mohel or if it's his first time if it's a new mohel with no track record than perhaps we shouldban him from further brisin but one thing is forsure regardless be carfull who you pick as a mohel I recall before I Made my first bris I askt the. Mohel for rferences and under who he traind and I spoke to his rebby and after he asured me that he watcht him preform over 400 sucesfull brisim I hierd him

You see, not knowing how to spell English is not as terrible as not knowing how to perform a Bris. I happen to know a very nice person who doesn't know to spell English words and no harm has come from it. Whereas, a Mohel who's not qualified is dangerous!

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 12:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Oy vey........ Says:

Shreklach...... I get the chills when I see such stories. Nebach on the parents & this little Neshamala. May he have a Refua Sh'laime & the parents should have lots of Nachas from him!!

I agree. He should have been jailed. No excuse for performing operations before you're 100% qualified.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 12:10 PM cool masmid Says:

Its a very sad story- but there's one part of this story I cannot comprehend, that when the mohel was a asked the baby after a day and a night crying( I'm sure the parents told the mohel that) shouldn't the mohel have shown a little concern for a 10 day old baby and either come himself or sent someone else. I don't want to be insenscetive to the parents plight, but maybe they should have done a little more a little sooner. As far as the mohel he should lose his liscense for his lack of concern for this baby. May the baby have a complete recovery.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 12:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Can a mohel be sued for malpractice?

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 12:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Moshe Says:

This Mohall sounds like a selfish person. He should have come when called by the parents, especially since the baby cried all night.

He didn't come because he knew that he botched up and know how to fix the situation!

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 01:24 PM shabos Says:

take off that picture it is not nice. Are you going to put on before & after pictures

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 01:11 PM Zalmy Says:

Geez, it was an accident.
Apologize and move on

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Jail seems harsh. Doctors dont go to jail for screwing up. He should have followed up but how did the parents wait 36 hours?

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 02:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Zalmy Says:

Geez, it was an accident.
Apologize and move on

It's not a matter of just "moving on." People need to understand the risks and make sure mohels have proper medical training and parents need to know that crying all night and day after a bris is not normal, and how tight or loose the bandage should be and what are the signs that medical attention is required.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 03:08 PM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

Jail seems harsh. Doctors dont go to jail for screwing up. He should have followed up but how did the parents wait 36 hours?

Probably young first time parents who didn't know what was to be expected and what was the sign of a problem. And doctors should be in jail for assault just like all other criminals if they use a knife to harm another person.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 03:00 PM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #16  
Moshe Says:

HKB"HU controls the world. We don't know why he did this.
(Thank you to)

Oh, good. so lets open up the jails and release all the killers because it was up to hkb"h if the person lived or died so the killers should not be punished for thier crimes.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 02:56 PM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #15  
serel chana maness Says:

sometimes surgrey isn't the answer,arnica-homeopathic medicine is better as it was bruises and also blessings for refula sheima

Wonderful. Another tzaddik telling people not to use tried and tested medical care. Ever hear of yo'atznu rah???!!! Do you think you only need to klap al chait for recomending the wrong dish soap to your sister in law? Wait, let me guess, you have an all natural Amway product that cleans the dishes better without chemicals that cause global warming.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 02:52 PM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

I feel bad for the child and parents, but the parents are too harsh on the mohel. its not like he did it on purpose.

How do you know if he did it on purpose? Or if his conduct constituted gross neglect to the point that it was essentially on puropose? Were you there? Did you even hear anything about this case before you read it here on VIN? Or are you a person who just feels good telling others to forgive and forget because you have a problem with society or Gd himself calling on people to account for thier actions?

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:

In E'Y there are so many brisim and many Bts they do not who to use. Someone shows them a business card and the "Mohel" ios a silck talker and he is hired. I once saw a video posted of a mohel using a "Clip" prior to mahl and he mutilated the poor neshome. It is a tragedy. B'H these are the few cases that exist BUT even one case is one to many. Something must be done.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 02:41 PM awesome Says:

Reply to #24  
Zalmy Says:

Geez, it was an accident.
Apologize and move on

i love how people just talk like that.Imagine it was your kid chas v'shalom 10 operations on a baby 8 days old is a serious matter i feel for the parents and the baby the mohell should at least put in prison for this. may the baby have a reuah sheliema AMEN!!!

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 03:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Richard Nixon Says:

Probably young first time parents who didn't know what was to be expected and what was the sign of a problem. And doctors should be in jail for assault just like all other criminals if they use a knife to harm another person.

That's why there should be a uniform set of written instructions given to all parents, just like if you went to a hospital or outpatient clinic for a surgical procedure you would get written instructions and a 24 hour number to call if there are any questions or problems where you can always reach a nurse.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 06:40 PM Shlomo Says:

Reply to #6  
Raphael Kaufman Says:

You know, we often joke about the one word you don't want to hear from the mohel, "oops", but this is no joke. Frankly, I've never heard of a mohel messing up like this before. Besides the criminal sentence and fine, isn't he civilly liable for malpractice?

There are a number of documented cases of "botched" milahs. Not a lot but, of course, one is too many.
The attitude of "mistakes happen" is not right. In something this critical, there should be safeguards (instructions for parents, follow-up, immediate urological referral if indicated). A good Mohel will follow-up and follow-thru with care.
[on a related topic are the number of confirmed and probable cases of pediatric herpes leading to permanent brain damage or death that were caused by Mohelim performing metzizah b'peh] [yes, there are reports in medical journals. And this will probably lead to new "flamings" by various posters]

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 06:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Moishe Groinem Says:

Besides him not showing up as promised the next day, I don't see anything this Moihel did intentionaly wrong.
Every Moihel can make a mistake.

This is why Mohels should pay for the cost of their mistakes, not a puny $2000 fine. Pay for the surgeries for this baby, pay for all of it's medical care. Do Mohels carry insurance? If not, they should.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 07:53 PM Anonymous Says:

It happened to my nephew many years ago. The Mohel (London) has had many problems since & I think he was pulled off the list of approved Mohelim. But my nephew bled so much the next day this moron asked my sister if there was a history of hemophilia in the family. I thought my father (not my brother in law) was going to kill him.

B"H my nephew & his wife are expecting their first baby, but my sister & brother in law were frantic at the time. The only thing people can do is seek recommendations & pray.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 08:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Truly a scary story. May G-D bless the child with a complete and speedy Refuah Shleimah!

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 08:35 PM joe shmoe Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

I agree. He should have been jailed. No excuse for performing operations before you're 100% qualified.

Dont drive in a car! If you're involved in an accident, you obviously weren't 100% qualified and the consequences are much more lethal then when something happens to a little shmuck.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 09:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Moishe Groinem Says:

Besides him not showing up as promised the next day, I don't see anything this Moihel did intentionaly wrong.
Every Moihel can make a mistake.

A Moiohel CAN NOT make a mistake. It is not a game if you mess up you cant fix it.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 10:03 PM Lawyer Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Can a mohel be sued for malpractice?

Absolutely YES - I represented one once in such a matter. We settled for an "undisclosed" amount (it was a significant sum). And we had a urologist who clearly stated it wasn't the mohel's fault. Some children are born with issues that are not known until after the bris is performed. This particular mohel was very experienced - he did not have a slip of the hand. However, as soon as word gets out the mohel is being sued for this, he is, in the eyes of the public, automatically guilty and he is out of business. News like that hits this site and many others and no one bothers to either read the entire story or to understand the issues, assuming the writer even bothers to explain. It can put an innocent person out of work real fast.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 11:10 PM me Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

I agree. He should have been jailed. No excuse for performing operations before you're 100% qualified.

And of course doctors who complete a minimum of twelve years of education are never sued for malpractice. That's why they all have to carry insurance. Good point. Genius.

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 Nov 08, 2009 at 11:54 PM I do my homework Says:

Reply to #34  
Shlomo Says:

There are a number of documented cases of "botched" milahs. Not a lot but, of course, one is too many.
The attitude of "mistakes happen" is not right. In something this critical, there should be safeguards (instructions for parents, follow-up, immediate urological referral if indicated). A good Mohel will follow-up and follow-thru with care.
[on a related topic are the number of confirmed and probable cases of pediatric herpes leading to permanent brain damage or death that were caused by Mohelim performing metzizah b'peh] [yes, there are reports in medical journals. And this will probably lead to new "flamings" by various posters]

Correction: There are 11 "presumed cases" in a series of four articles by 22 mostly Modern Orthodox authors that have never published on neonatal herpes, 17 of whom have never published on herpes at all. They reach their conclusions by: Avoiding every test that might implicate the mother, avoiding ever test that might exonerate the mohel; evaluting their cases against HSV-2 risk factors while ignoring the maternal HSV-1 risk factors that mirror their cases exactly; they evaluate Canadian and Israeli cases uses 1980 U.S. statistics while ignoring current Israeli and Canadian statistics contrary to their thesis; they cite sources and then either contradict or make statements not supported by those sources, the whole story is a hoax and a fraud. Asst NYC DoH commissionor Dr Julia Schillinger did a wonderful job of demonstaring she clueless about neonatal herpes in statements she made concerning MBP that contradict her own published papers on HSV.

No flaming just facts. To be continued

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 Nov 09, 2009 at 08:40 AM Anonymous Says:

Ten operations and still requires treatment!?! Poor kid.

So many questions:
How many brisim had this mohel performed before? Were there any problems?
Did the mohel realise there was a problem, and if not, why not?
What exactly went wrong - what was the "poor incision", and how much of the problem was the bandaging, and how much the delay in seeking medical care?
Why didn't the parents go straight to hospital, instead of calling the mohel and waiting over a day for him to turn up?
Why didn't the mohel go straight to the baby when he heard there might be a problem? Why didn't he arrive the day after when he said he'd come?
Is the mohel still allowed to perform brisim?

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 Nov 09, 2009 at 08:43 AM Certified Mohel's father Says:

Why isn't the mohel in the picture wearing sterile surgical gloves? That should be the first sign you're using the wrong mohel.

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 Nov 09, 2009 at 09:57 AM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #44  
Certified Mohel's father Says:

Why isn't the mohel in the picture wearing sterile surgical gloves? That should be the first sign you're using the wrong mohel.

Funny joke. You have people on VIN who yell harog va'al ya'avor about using a sterile tube for metzitza instead on direct orel contact and you want them to worry about gloves???

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 Nov 09, 2009 at 10:53 AM Anonymous Says:

This baby has permanent damage which will prevent him from having a satisfactory sex life and marriage. Ten operations means very severe damage - the mohel and the synagogue should pay everything and the mohel lose his license for damage and negligence! The synagogue should be fined and required to ensure the mohel do immediate, interim and long term follow-up.
The parents too should have sought immediate attention at a hospital if the screams persisted after ten minutes and the mohel did not show up.
All this agony for revering a 6,000 year old bronze age sacrificial ritual which is very punitive and has no place in contemporary society, culture or religion.
Hasn't anyone heard of Bris Shalom? Shalom meaning whole as well as peace! Many educated parents in the US and Canada are turning from cutting and respecting their sons' rights to wholeness.
Bris Shalom means preserving 20,000 - 40,000 nerve endings of 7 different types connected to all of the neurological pathways, and ensures there is never any risk of 'additional surgical misadventure' - read botch job. Same cham[agne and party sanwichs, same beautiful singing, no agonized screams from the boy, EVERYONE goes home happy.

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 Nov 09, 2009 at 12:08 PM Henry Kissinger Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

This baby has permanent damage which will prevent him from having a satisfactory sex life and marriage. Ten operations means very severe damage - the mohel and the synagogue should pay everything and the mohel lose his license for damage and negligence! The synagogue should be fined and required to ensure the mohel do immediate, interim and long term follow-up.
The parents too should have sought immediate attention at a hospital if the screams persisted after ten minutes and the mohel did not show up.
All this agony for revering a 6,000 year old bronze age sacrificial ritual which is very punitive and has no place in contemporary society, culture or religion.
Hasn't anyone heard of Bris Shalom? Shalom meaning whole as well as peace! Many educated parents in the US and Canada are turning from cutting and respecting their sons' rights to wholeness.
Bris Shalom means preserving 20,000 - 40,000 nerve endings of 7 different types connected to all of the neurological pathways, and ensures there is never any risk of 'additional surgical misadventure' - read botch job. Same cham[agne and party sanwichs, same beautiful singing, no agonized screams from the boy, EVERYONE goes home happy.

Everyone except Avraham Avinu a"h.

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 Nov 09, 2009 at 06:10 PM Askupeh (Part 3) Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

This baby has permanent damage which will prevent him from having a satisfactory sex life and marriage. Ten operations means very severe damage - the mohel and the synagogue should pay everything and the mohel lose his license for damage and negligence! The synagogue should be fined and required to ensure the mohel do immediate, interim and long term follow-up.
The parents too should have sought immediate attention at a hospital if the screams persisted after ten minutes and the mohel did not show up.
All this agony for revering a 6,000 year old bronze age sacrificial ritual which is very punitive and has no place in contemporary society, culture or religion.
Hasn't anyone heard of Bris Shalom? Shalom meaning whole as well as peace! Many educated parents in the US and Canada are turning from cutting and respecting their sons' rights to wholeness.
Bris Shalom means preserving 20,000 - 40,000 nerve endings of 7 different types connected to all of the neurological pathways, and ensures there is never any risk of 'additional surgical misadventure' - read botch job. Same cham[agne and party sanwichs, same beautiful singing, no agonized screams from the boy, EVERYONE goes home happy.

The instruction booklet is found in the Torah, and none of the instructions can be performed before the first of them is done, which is the Bris Milah, which shows that we have a covenant with G-d. Only then can this boy become a Rabbon Shimon Bar Yochei, who if you want to study perfection, study him. This boy Shimon who was born an earthly and beastly being became the holiest person a person can become. Who was able to conceive the secrets of creation and the mind of G-d no less; and all because he was circumcised. If not for his Bris, he would have remained an ordinary Joe.

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 Nov 09, 2009 at 06:10 PM Askupeh (Part 2) Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

This baby has permanent damage which will prevent him from having a satisfactory sex life and marriage. Ten operations means very severe damage - the mohel and the synagogue should pay everything and the mohel lose his license for damage and negligence! The synagogue should be fined and required to ensure the mohel do immediate, interim and long term follow-up.
The parents too should have sought immediate attention at a hospital if the screams persisted after ten minutes and the mohel did not show up.
All this agony for revering a 6,000 year old bronze age sacrificial ritual which is very punitive and has no place in contemporary society, culture or religion.
Hasn't anyone heard of Bris Shalom? Shalom meaning whole as well as peace! Many educated parents in the US and Canada are turning from cutting and respecting their sons' rights to wholeness.
Bris Shalom means preserving 20,000 - 40,000 nerve endings of 7 different types connected to all of the neurological pathways, and ensures there is never any risk of 'additional surgical misadventure' - read botch job. Same cham[agne and party sanwichs, same beautiful singing, no agonized screams from the boy, EVERYONE goes home happy.

And do you know how you reach perfection? Not as your silly suggestion of abandoning G-d and Bris Milah, but exactly the opposite, to mimic G-d. G-d tells us Uledovkoh Boi; and the Gemora asks how is it possible? And the Gemora answers that it means to mimic G-d completely in every way conceivable. Mah Ani Rachim, Af Atoh Rachmim, just as I am merciful, you too should be merciful. Have you ever wondered how the Jewish people came to be the most merciful people that ever existed? The answer is because that’s what they saw from their parents, and they, from their parents, and all of this to mimic G-d’s ways. The Gemorah gives us another few good Midos to mimic G-d, but one is enough for demonstration purposes.

This is the ultimate purpose of every Jew; that as a member of the chosen people he/should become perfect, an “Odom Hasholem”, to reach the highest form that an earthly and beastly being can become. How to do this, we have to follow instructions.

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 Nov 09, 2009 at 06:08 PM Askupeh (Part 1) Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

This baby has permanent damage which will prevent him from having a satisfactory sex life and marriage. Ten operations means very severe damage - the mohel and the synagogue should pay everything and the mohel lose his license for damage and negligence! The synagogue should be fined and required to ensure the mohel do immediate, interim and long term follow-up.
The parents too should have sought immediate attention at a hospital if the screams persisted after ten minutes and the mohel did not show up.
All this agony for revering a 6,000 year old bronze age sacrificial ritual which is very punitive and has no place in contemporary society, culture or religion.
Hasn't anyone heard of Bris Shalom? Shalom meaning whole as well as peace! Many educated parents in the US and Canada are turning from cutting and respecting their sons' rights to wholeness.
Bris Shalom means preserving 20,000 - 40,000 nerve endings of 7 different types connected to all of the neurological pathways, and ensures there is never any risk of 'additional surgical misadventure' - read botch job. Same cham[agne and party sanwichs, same beautiful singing, no agonized screams from the boy, EVERYONE goes home happy.

I'm scratching my and don't know where to begin. You know what? I'll start from the beginning. Bereishis Boroh Elokim Es Hashomayim Ve'es Ho'oretz, In the beginning, G-d created heaven and earth. Are you so far with me? The same G-d who created everything that exists told Avrohom Ovinuh that your children will be my "Chosen people", Ki Yedaativ, G-d says because I love him Abraham, why? Because Asher Yetzaveh Es Bonov Achrov Veshomru Es Derech Hashem, I love him because he will istruct his children after him to watch out and go in the path of G-d. That path starts with the first Mitzvah G-d asked Avrohom Ovinu to perform, and that is to circumcise himself, and naturally to instruct his children after him to do the same. That is the reason why my father circumcised me, and that is the reason I B”H circumcised all my sons. To be a Jew and that means to become “holy”, means to do away with a heathenistic lifestyle and to elevate all pleasure to serve our Creator. Judaism does not require celibacy, and in fact forbids it. Our holiest of the holiest got married and had children and yet (I would say, because of it) reached “Perfection”. Our job is actually “perfection”.

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 Nov 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM Askupeh Says:

I'll do something I usually try not to do, which is to quote from Kabbolah and the Zohar; but because we have been challenged I feel that it would be appropriate to bring a quote so that Me'at Min Ho'ohr Doicheh Harbeh Min Hachoishech.

The Zohar says; I think it is actually in the Tikunei Zohar: Kad Loi Notrin Yisroel Bris Milah, Misgabrin Umin De'almeh, De'inin Hamayim Hazeidoinim - Kad Notrin Leih [Bris Milah], Itmar Behoin (Bereishis 8:5) Vehamayim Hoyu Holoich Vechosoir ...". You cannot be a Noiter Habris (perfection Bla"z) without getting circumcised.

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 Nov 10, 2009 at 12:53 PM Frank Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

It's not a matter of just "moving on." People need to understand the risks and make sure mohels have proper medical training and parents need to know that crying all night and day after a bris is not normal, and how tight or loose the bandage should be and what are the signs that medical attention is required.

The bandages are to be lightly put on, if any at all, and a loose nappy.

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 Nov 10, 2009 at 01:02 PM Frank Says:

Reply to #34  
Shlomo Says:

There are a number of documented cases of "botched" milahs. Not a lot but, of course, one is too many.
The attitude of "mistakes happen" is not right. In something this critical, there should be safeguards (instructions for parents, follow-up, immediate urological referral if indicated). A good Mohel will follow-up and follow-thru with care.
[on a related topic are the number of confirmed and probable cases of pediatric herpes leading to permanent brain damage or death that were caused by Mohelim performing metzizah b'peh] [yes, there are reports in medical journals. And this will probably lead to new "flamings" by various posters]

USA-Recently The Recorder reported a jury awarded $429 thousand to the male infant who's Mohel botched his circumcision cutting off the glans too.

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 Nov 11, 2009 at 02:00 AM I do my homework Says:

Reply to #53  
Frank Says:

USA-Recently The Recorder reported a jury awarded $429 thousand to the male infant who's Mohel botched his circumcision cutting off the glans too.

Excuse me for confusing you with the facts but the August 12, 2009 San Francisco Recorder reportered a PEDIATRICIAN botched the surgery. Not a mohel. Also, being that Chareidi Mohelim don't use analgesic cream, they don't have to worry about lidocaine overdose, a rare, but real complication of pediatrician style circumcision.

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 Nov 13, 2009 at 01:02 PM Disgusted in Canarsie Says:

I hope that the rabbonim came out and disallowed this mohel from performing a bris again. Having the baby bleed a little extra and requiring stitches is one thing, this is something much worse. Just pray that the rabbonim aren't too wimpy to talk about another rabbi

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