Lawrence, NY – Toldos Avraham Yitzchak: Perception vs. Reality

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    The Toldos Avraham Yitzchak Rebbe visited the Five Towns this past Shabbos [Photo: 5tjt.com]Lawrence, NY – They are seen as firebrands who are by choice isolated and who stick to themselves. They shun the limelight and instead prefer to live a simple, pious, and humble lives without the accouterments of modern life—all in an effort to pull themselves closer to G-d. This week they momentarily transplanted the leadership of the movement to New York, and the Toldos Avraham Yitzchok Rebbe prayed, hosted a tisch, and met with Jews from various backgrounds, sharing a bit of each other’s world.

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    Their Old World traditions handed down through the generations, however, are also shrouded in controversy, as fringe elements organize sometimes violent demonstrations on the streets of Jerusalem on matters they feel come into conflict with the sanctity of Shabbos, particularly in their carefully cut-out conclaves and neighborhoods. Who the actual players are in these unnecessary and embarrassing demonstrations is largely unclear.

    These activities, though, combined with the community’s official position of non-recognition of the legitimacy of the secular State of Israel, brought them at loggerheads with others this week as they seek material support from communities who are identified by their strong support for the State of Israel.

    I sat down with the Toldos Avraham Yitzchak Rebbe and his Rebbetzin between appointments to see people last Sunday—some of whom had flown in from other parts of North America—to try to clarify and understand where the Rebbe and his chassidim stand on the all-important issue of support for the State of Israel.

    “What it comes down to, very briefly, is that the government violates Shabbos and sanctions this desecration,” the Rebbe said clearly and calmly in Yiddish. “If there would not be this violation of Shabbos, we would have absolutely no problem with the State of Israel.”

    The idea that the litmus test for recognition of the State of Israel is the observance of Shabbos was handed down from the Rebbe’s father, the Toldos Ahron Rebbe, who passed away in 1997. The Rebbetzin interjected that the Rebbe is the older of two brothers and by right he should have been the next Toldos Ahron Rebbe. “The Rebbe was too easygoing and soft-spoken on issues, and many of the chassidim wanted a leader who was more of an activist and less of a pacifist,” she said in a very animated Yiddish.

    It’s true, she said, that it’s difficult to sit idle and not protest the desecration of Shabbos. “It hurt us to see a Jew riding in a car on Shabbos—and yes,” she added, “even the Rebbe goes outside and protests by declaring three or four times in a raised voice ‘Shabbos,’ but then he goes back inside to his study and goes about his business,” she says.

    She explained that those chassidim seen protesting, throwing things, and rioting in Jerusalem this last summer are not the followers of the Toldos Avraham Yitzchok Rebbe. “The people you see in the streets rioting are bums”—she used the English word there—“and people with nothing else to do.”

    When the matter was raised about Toldos Avraham Yitzchok’s alleged ties to the infamous Neturei Karta, which protests Israeli policy together with radical Arabs and has met with Iranian President Ahmadinejad in Tehran and here, the Rebbetzin said, “This is something that we are not involved in and have never been involved in. The truth is that this whole business started with Satmar in New York.”

    So the strain with the Israeli government and the matter of legitimacy and recognition is a matter that is played out on a very limited basis, though it is costly for the chassidim. It’s not entirely accurate to say that since there is the issue of Shabbos that they refuse to accept any money from the government. The fact is that they live there in Jerusalem; they utilize mass transit, which, though a fare is paid, is still subsidized by the State of Israel. The same is true when you take a drink of water or turn on a light switch.

    One area in which this is played out is in chinuch—the education system. This sect, as well as others, refuses to take money from Israel’s Education Ministry for their schools, because they do not want their Torah studies financed by a government that openly and deliberately violates Shabbos. Therefore, their institutions are seriously in debt. And that’s why they are in New York now, to raise money for the considerable education system that they administer.

    I suggested to the Rebbe that since he was here in New York seeking vital funding for his educational institutions, perhaps we could arrange for the Israeli government to send us—here in the Diaspora—the money, and then we could in turn give it to his organization. The Rebbe said, with a smile, that it sounded like a good idea, but they have not yet encountered a person who can successfully effectuate that type of arrangement.

    The Rebbe unequivocally condemned participation in any kind of riots by chassidim. He said he does not advocate or encourage getting involved in those types of activities, and that he bans any individual who does participate from entering his shul in Jerusalem.

    Some voiced their opinion last week that the Rebbe’s visit specifically to Lawrence was in and of itself provocative and that he should be rejected on all levels for representing a group that refuses to lend full legitimacy to the elected government of Israel.

    That position, it seems, was based mostly on the need of some to sensationalize, dramatize, and exaggerate a situation that has only a minimal resemblance to reality. It’s odd to think that we, sitting in the Diaspora in New York, are the big pro-Zionists, while those living on the front lines—which is all of Israel—are the anti-Zionists. There’s something incongruous about that thought process, and it is misguided to draw definitive conclusions based on that skewered formula.

    A lot of the criticism of the Rebbe’s visit was based on the usual conflict between perception and reality. Coverage by media outlets with limited space to explore all sides of the issue, combined with impatience and inattentiveness by readers, often leads to the wrong conclusions. People often use only droplets of information that are available to them to paint individuals or groups of people with this broad brushstroke that labels them dangerous to the cause of K’lal Yisrael.

    Based on what the Rebbe and his wife had to say, and taking them at their word, it seems that they are simply principled people who, as observant Jews, find the desecration of Shabbos in the land of the Jews intolerable. The Rebbetzin recalled the situation when they were a starving young couple, lacking the resources to purchase food. “There was a woman that I met who nebach lost her son in a car accident. I met her by mere chance,” she said. “She wanted to donate some money to us in her son’s memory, and I thought it was a piece of unexpected good fortune—really a miracle—that I had met her. I told my husband about what had transpired and he had only one question for me: Did the woman keep and observe Shabbos?” They concluded the story saying that, sadly, the woman was not shomer Shabbos, and her husband refused to accept the money.

    As devoted Jews, many of us here feel that the State of Israel, situated in our ancient homeland, represents us all and defines us as a people, on a multiplicity of levels. We are composed of people from many different backgrounds, orientations, and customs. Our ancestors hail from different continents and countries. In a sense, within the relatively small but global Orthodox Jewish community we are frequently unified by our diversity.

    And viewing Israel as central to our lives may even be a healthy thing. One only hopes that some of the strong feelings voiced last week, albeit by a fringe minority, are not based on the different ways the Rebbe’s chassidim and those of us here lead our lives. We would all probably be better off not displaying for the public the intertribal differences that very often set us apart from one another. Feeding fuel to this divisive fire conjures up the worst kind of prejudices, which we certainly have no right to display against one another.

    In fact it does immeasurable damage, because the critics of Am Yisrael and Eretz Yisrael are gleefully watching, pleased that we can attempt to harm one another’s causes by vilifying and denigrating a segment—no matter how much we disagree with them—of our people. By indulging in this kind of practice, we do the bidding of our critics, and that must make them extremely content and satisfied.

    Aside from the money they so desperately need, the Rebbe says that each time he comes to New York he gets a chance to get closer to Jews he otherwise would not have the opportunity to come in contact with. “I draw closer to them and I hope that through the relationship they are able to come closer to Hashem,” he said.

    To many of us, the image of Israel and her survival is the greatest and most challenging undertaking of our time. I don’t believe that the Toldos Avraham Yitzchak Rebbe feels any differently about this issue. It may very well be that those chassidim of various sects—perhaps only on the periphery—who question the entire concept of Zionism, its proliferation, and support do so because of the fashion in which Shabbos has been trampled on all too often over the years.

    We are passionate about the survival of Israel. Perhaps we are willing to overlook some aspects of what we consider the compromised Jewish character of the state in the interest of the greater good of her survival. If that is so, then that’s where our convictions may diverge with the Rebbe’s. He, too, is passionate about Israel—where he and his children reside—but he is just as passionate about the sanctity of the holy Shabbos as it relates to the Jewish state. Dismissing and denigrating him is a hurtful simplification of the reality.

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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I can’t imagine he really said the only problem is shabbos. Maybe to him the biggest problem is shabbos, but the pikuach nefesh issues of violating the Shalosh Shavuos are a problem with or without Shabbos. This author must have misunderstood the Rebbe, shlit”a, who I know to be one of the biggest tzaddikim of our dor.

    sick n tired
    sick n tired
    14 years ago

    Thank you, much better than Mayer Fertig’s TRASH

    formally
    formally
    14 years ago

    I am not saying he is or not sincere but one must remember he came here for money do the aether really think he would say anything controversial and jeopardize donation?

    In addition, if they do not want to take money from people who are not shomer shobbas should but also people who got their money from legitimate means?

    OJoe
    OJoe
    14 years ago

    I respect his commitment to preserving Shabbos, but why wouldnt you take money from someone who isny shomer Shabbos? Just because they dont keep one mitzvah means you shouldnt let them do another!? Mitzvah Goreres Mitzvah! This part seems to me inappropriate.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    the Rebbe came here for money for his mosdos but at the same time is being mechazek his chassidim. the Rebbe visits stam people even without receiving any donations. the Rebbe is a Gadol and Poel Yeshios.

    ShatzMatz
    ShatzMatz
    14 years ago

    What a scoop! The Toldos Avrum Yitzchock Rebbe has no problem with the Stae of Israel. I bet you this will be news to all his Chsidim back home.

    Furthermore, If anyone has ever read the 5tjt they would know that they routinely display photos of women dressed in a manner that would land her in the hospital if she strolled in front of the Toldos Avrum Yitzchok shul in Yerushalyim. To think that the Rebbe intentionally sat down for an interview with one if its reporters is in itself newsworthy.

    The Rebbetzin also made a few other revealing comments regatding Satmar and her feelings for her older brother-in-law.

    You heard it here first…………

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    With regard to the Toldos Avraham Yitzchok’s alleged ties to the infamous Neturei Karta, which protests Israeli policy together with radical Arabs and has met with Iranian President Ahmadinejad in Tehran, the Rebbe/Rebetzin are quoted as having fasely and deliberately claimed that “This is something that we are not involved in and have never been involved in – a gross misstatement and distortion. The truth is, they went on ” that this whole business started with Satmar in New York”.
    In fact, the truth is that Satmar has on many occasions blatatnly, publically and officially disassociated itself from these “bums”, whereas the Rebbe (Toldos Avrohom Yitzchok) has not. Moreover, they have always been – and continue to be – a dependent and intregal part of his following.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Too bad it’s not true.

    Disagree
    Disagree
    14 years ago

    This article is misleeding, i agree that the rebbe is a tzadick and we should help him out and his Mosdos, And i do not beleive that he said that the whole problaM Of the state of Isreal About Chilol shabbos, The thing is that our torah Dosnt let us have a own state before moshiach, and we have to agree that we respect every culture even if we dont like them or their shittos, and thru achdis and the behavier like this tzaddick can moshiach come.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This reporter lacks either integrity or intelligence. The Satmar rebbe R’ Yoilish is their spiritual guide and he is certainly anti zionist. Do Toldos chassidim vote for a shomer shabbos candidate (like Porush)? They believe that there may not be a medinah til the arrival of Moshiach, etc, etc. The Rebbe said what he needed to collectb money in the Five Towns. This reporter seems rather foolish.

    chief  doofis
    chief doofis
    14 years ago

    I guess that the sainted Rabbi and his followers would not have recognized the legitimacy of virtually of of the kings of Israel (Malchut Ephraim), about a third of the kings of Judah, and many of the Hasmonean / Herodian rulers. They are lucky that the Israeli mechalelei Shabbos believe in a democracy. Had any of the aforementioned rulers (many considered legitimate by Nevi’im) been around, they would have been beheaded or crucified.

    Simcha
    Simcha
    14 years ago

    If I was coming into your community to raise money I would tell you what you wanted to hear as well. His chasidim are those who, amung other things, are responsible for the modestly squads that often land innocent people in the hospital. I am surprised he would visit a place like lawrence and take their money if he does not take it from non shomer shabbos people what about people who do not dress upto his standards. I guess hakesef yaaneh es hakol.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Nothing like a strong outspoken Rebbitzen to stir the fires and say what dear hubby would not!

    Milhouse
    Milhouse
    14 years ago

    This man seems to be dancing on both sides of the aisle. I don’t understand, can anyone explain ?

    ehrlich
    ehrlich
    14 years ago

    To some of you posters who know who you are:
    Please watch ur mouths.I don’t know and I don’t care if his words are true, but I would never speak out against such a big famous gadol hador.
    If you think its false, keep it to urselves.
    Better safe than sorry…

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    looks like he is fundrasing and he is trying to play the game we all no know who he is and what he stands for

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This author – who is also the owner of the newspaper – is clearly targeting “The Jewish Star” and the editorial it published last week.
    Sadly, this author is being dishonest. He totally ignores one of the two major points of the editorial.
    The desperate financial needs of many local 5T’s residence.
    When there is such a great financial crisis and tremendous need at home, why support someone who is soooo far away for their hashkifa.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Two things:

    1. Toldos Ahron (TA) should not be considered spoken of in the same sentence as Israel. While Larry Gordon might mask it, the TA are anti Zionist, same as NT, so that is just dissembling and a bit of mischief on his part.

    2. The fact that he condoned–nay, participated in–protests because the state he doesn’t believe in is not Shomer Shabbos is at once ridiculous and beyond the pale. If we can just focus inward and not on the people of Lawrence because if they were seen walking in Mea Shearim as they normally dress on Central Avenue, they would be stoned upon and tarred and feathered as well, perhaps it is we can focus our charity closer to home..

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I have a lot of family members, chssidim of the toldos avrohom Yitchuck rabbi & all of them are against the Israeli government itself, so this writer is not talking about the same people!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Is there a respectful way to say that this rebbe is either (a) deliberately being evasive to raise money by contradicting himself and saying one thing here and somthing entirely different in EY or (b) he simply spouts words without any idea that what he is saying would be a total revelation to his chassidim back in Yerushalayim. I suspect that when you come to the U.S. to schneur money for your mosdos, a rebbe is programmed to say whatever his audience wants to hear. So much for being “principled”.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I don’t understand why money from E”Y that is filtered through america but still originated from the Israeli government makes it clean and kashered. This in itself is hypocritical.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    For the record. The Toldos Avraham Yitzchak Rebbe was a chasid of the Imrei Chaim ov Visnitz. Anyone even remotely familiar with Visnitz knows that Shabbos was “The Event”
    Having spent much time in Toldos Avraham Yitzchak and having spoken to the Rebbe many times. I can attest that loving ALL jews plus a fervor for Shabbos is his “Thing”. Antizionism really isn’t on his hit list.
    Research your facts before you accuse a Really good jew…
    But don’t worry…He’ll love you anyway, even if you badmouth him.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I just want to throw something out there. I think the whole thing about recognizing EY is not a big deal. We all love EY and want moshiach, who cares whether you “recognize” the state or celebrate Yom ha’atzmaut?
    A bigger issue is whether its appropriate to take money from people in the 5 towns who made their money due to the higher education they received, when chasidim like Toldos Avraham Yitzchok bash people who get advanced degrees. By their philosophy we should not go to college and get good degrees and make a lot of money, and shouldnt have any money for their mosdos!

    ehrlich
    ehrlich
    14 years ago

    ATT #20 & 21
    No I wouldn’t speak against a small rabbi either.
    Anyway. Maybe ur not aware but is assur to speak against ANY jew, and if someone is an accepted rabbi, EVEN only by some pple, I would be double careful because he MIGHT BE a real tzaddik.
    No, I’m not one of his followers, but I watch my mouth.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Let me understand. According to the Rebbetzin, the Rebbe wouldn’t accept a donation from a NOT YET SHOMER SHABBOS woman who wanted to give L’illuy Nishmas her son…and they expect this lady would want to keep Shabbos after being rejected? I would think this would cause a grieving mother more pain. She wanted to do something worthwhile. It seems to me the Rebbe prevented her from doing a Mitzvah & elevating her son’s Neshama.

    Furthermore, they are here to get money. Do they ask where the money comes from? Do they still refuse “dirty” money? Or is it OK to take from someone who is Shomer Shabbos but who is unethical in other areas?

    I am saddened by what I read here. Before reading this I didn’t know much at all about Toldos Ahron. Ignorance really is bliss.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    first of all this is a silly argument. If any Rosh yeshiva in america would get up and tell the people of the five towns what he really thinks of them and their lives no one would ever collect any money for their mosdos!!!! Lets call a spade a spade there is a reason these people live there. They feel this is my life and no one will tell me boo.!!!!
    we are a dor yasom gone are the days when R’ gifter zt”l said his mind when R’ Elya zt”l publicly denounced chillul hashem etc…. When a rosh yeshiva fought for kavod hatorah with out caring about the donations!!! Are big problem is we need to be like the goyim politicly correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This Rebbe is just using shabbos as an excuse to bash the government under which he lives. If he truly feels this way, which I believe he does, why does he remain living under the governance of the people he despises? WHy not remove himself to gallus until things change? And change they might if he tried to facilitate change.

    There are many great tzaddikim in Israel who are just as passionate about shabbos but they go out and show the beauty of shabbos and are mekarave many. That will bring change.

    Yisroel
    Yisroel
    14 years ago

    Thank you #34 . If chassidic groups other then Chabad and Breslov (and Stolin) would go out and do some serious kiruv work. Yes, I understand the fear of the outside world, but if people with the most concrete foundations were appointed to go out and do some good work. And that goes for the Litvish world too. What do we have? An Ohr Sameach here? An Aish there? Great, but they’re only helping about 5% of those who are unaffiliated. It is true that both Toldos Avraham Yitzchak and Toldos Aharon are very accepting of ba’alei teshuva and geirim, BUT that is after the fact. If the Rebbe would do something about actually being mekarev our lost brothers instead of screaming “shabbos” every week (OK, he only says it three times..), they and others in the frum world could make some very big changes in the world.

    5towner
    5towner
    14 years ago

    mayer fertig had it right – our community should first support its own organizations that so desperately need the money before giving to anyone else, specifically these clowns.

    5tjt (larry gordon) can’t write a controversial article if his paper depended on it

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    A couple of points.
    In hilchos tzedaka, there are halachicly mandated reccomendations as to where one should give tzedaka. The first is aniyei ircha, followed by aniyei eretz yisrael. The reason given is that eretz yisrael is a homeland for ALL of us, regardless of how you feel about the medina…

    As well, the Toldos Avrohom Yitzchak community is comprised (for the most part) of g-d fearing holy people who are living a life of purity and closeness to g-d. Whether the people in Lawrence can / want to live that lifestyle is moot. The point is, as religious g-d fearing Jews, they should realize that their success is made possible in part because there are yidden in Eretz Yisrael living how they do. As long as there has been a yishuv in Erez Yisrael, it has depended on the tzedaka of empathetic yidden in the diaspora who recognize that fact, and want to have a cheilek in them, because they recognise the importance and valueof their lifestyle even though they cant / wont make the same sacrifices.

    I know a family of Toldos chasidim, they live in a tiny one bedroom apt in Meah shearim, (family of five). They live a simple pur lifestyle, learn Torah, do Mitzvos and Chesed.

    gadolwannabe
    gadolwannabe
    14 years ago

    “I suggested to the Rebbe that since he was here in New York seeking vital funding for his educational institutions, perhaps we could arrange for the Israeli government to send us—here in the Diaspora—the money, and then we could in turn give it to his organization.” Is this guy an idiot? Now he wants Israel and the Rebbe to engage in money laundering! At least this Rebbe has some principles. He won’t take money from a government that he finds illegitimate as opposed to Ovadia Yosef who will sell his pkas din to the highest bidder.

    torahyid
    torahyid
    14 years ago

    I would (like to) believe that what he says he has no problem with the state, means he wouldn’t be making a protest about it, but of course the existence of the state is against the torah. I would also like to point out, that there is no contradiction in being anti-zionist, and supporting the state at least in chutz lo’oretz. I am for one anti-zionist meaning I support torah view on the issue,but in the international arena, when goyim illogicaly discriminate against the state bec of their anti-semitism (not bec it is against the torah) I would support Israel with as much kano’us.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This so called rebbe has some pretty pathetic shitos. What does he think of Avrohom Avinu who sole purpose was kiruv. Or how would someone like him accept Rabbi Akiva before he became Rabbi Akiva. How many yidden have this sect brought back to yiddishkeit with their constant chilul hashem?
    How can someone not accept money from a yid who might be a tinuk shenishba? They are preventing them from performing a mitzvah!!!!

    knowitaLL
    knowitaLL
    14 years ago

    The fact is that it was the mechaleli shabbos that fought the wars, were the generals, were the politicians and were the kibbutzniks, that built the country that is now enjoyed by the hareidim who violently protest against it.

    It is essential to encourage the sanctity of shabbos. By the same token, it is urgent to be makir tov to those, even if they be mecahlelei shabbos, who sacrifice of themselves to protect and develop the State. If there would be hakaros hatov, then perhaps the secular would be somewhat more inclined to become sensitized to shabbos. There has to be a two way street – mutual respect.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Actually to all the knowing posters,he could actually lose out with such a interveiw,since his main supporter base probaly won’t be very pleased with such a moderate stance.(for his group)

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Let me relate a story I recently heard firsthand which attests to the TAY Rebbe’s love for all jews including secular ones.

    On a recent trip to the US (Last spring when he came to the wedding in of a grandchild) a non-religious El Al flight attendant (male) sat across from him and they struck up a conversation which lasted several hours according to someone who was also sitting in that section. The Rebbe spoke to him in hebrew, was mekarev him and invited him to come visit him in Yerushlayim. At the end of the trip the Rebbe asked his assistant to to get his phone number so that they could keep in contact.

    Kiruv
    Kiruv
    14 years ago

    While reading the story of the woman who wanted to donate money but was rejected because of her lack of shabbos observence, I was hoping that the story would continue that the Rebbe and his family invited this woman and inspired her to be shomer torah & mitzvos (including shabbos). With all due respect, if this group of chassidim cares so much about shabbos, why don’t they do more to educate and influence their non observant bretheren.

    Godol HaDor
    Godol HaDor
    14 years ago

    Many Jews live in a dichotomy. They believe they are Yeshivish/Chasidish at their core but there daily life re tznius going to movies etc is decidedly non chasidish/yeshivish. Yet they rationalize it away saying “that’s not me” I don’t know the TAY rebbe personally but I really know the mindset and type of community he leads and comes from. His life is fervent torah and mitzvos. These people are (besides when it come to money) pure. Anti zionism is just their “shtick” BTW, as a thoroughly modern Chasidic/yeshivic guy I can tell you everybody knows zionisim is the biggest scourge in judaism the past 100 years, secular israelis are the biggest anti-semites in the world, how anybody orthodox can even identify with zionism in any form is beyond me. And don’t equate zionism with ahavas eretz yisrael. They are not the same. As mentioned earlier virtually ALL TAY chassidim live in EY. If the jews in 5T would love israel so much they would live there cuz that what its all about isn’t it? If you love your wife and kids u live with them, don’t u?
    So stop being hypocrits if u want to support his style of torah and mitzvos do so if not don’t. But he loves israel a lot more than u

    sick n tired
    sick n tired
    14 years ago

    Judging by your sanctimonious response I think you could benefit greatly from attaching yourself to a group like the TAY chasidus where they work on tikkun hamidos and particularly arrogance which is what you seem to suffer from.

    prabu
    prabu
    14 years ago

    This Rebbe is generically different being a Cohen, and my presumption was that Toldos Aharon was silently sposored by factions that wanted to rebuild the 3rd temple…. Usually with the Rebbes it is not so much the learning but the lineage that is important, sybollic of keeping alive lost traditions.
    In that respect the Rebbe would be welcome in almost any Jewish community, where pure Kohanim are extremely rare.

    Which leads me to a separate issue regarding Israel, where the claim on the land is based on a Biblical tradition, it must be based on people who actually uphold those traditions. As Jerusalem becomes more and more secular, on the world stage, the Jewish claim becomes less and less valid, and all the people in the five towns who would like to have second homes in Israel or send their children there should rcognize that the Rebbe is representative of the front line and as soon as you lose the these ‘ultra orthodox’ soon all you have left is a bunch of mercenaries fighting Arabs to steal land they have very little legitimate claims over.
    So it makes sense why the modern orthodox community would use this Rebbe as their Cohen.

    matzahlocal101
    matzahlocal101
    14 years ago

    This article is great example of the poor Jewish education of the Modern Orthodox community. Author Larry Gordon tells us:

    “Who the actual players are in these unnecessary and embarrassing (Shabbos)demonstrations is largely unclear.”

    Shulchan Aruch, Orech Chaim, s.608:2 Tells us that we have to be mocheh (protest against a blatant violation of Torah) Following Shulchan Oruch is embarassing and unnecessary according to Mr. Gordon.

    “to try to clarify and understand where the Rebbe and his chassidim stand on the all-important issue of support for the State of Israel.”

    All important support for mechallelei Shabbos? Ochlai nevailos and traifos? Boalai Niddos? In which siman in Shulchan Aruch is this found?

    “When the matter was raised about Toldos Avraham Yitzchok’s alleged ties to the infamous Neturei Karta,”

    What ever there ties are Neither TAY or NK take treif money from goyim either for the same reason that they don’t take money from the medinah.

    So there you have it you been be a Shulchan Aruch Jew or a modern orthodox Jew but not both. Thank you Larry for your insightful commentary on real Jews.

    Arrele
    Arrele
    11 years ago

    The Rebbe’s father (ztsl) was a great man, since 1992 i’ve met this saintly man 5 times and wow did he impress me. That’s the reason that when choosing my Jewish name i came to use Awrohom Itschok and as an honor to the first Rebbe (ztsl) Rebbe Arrele, Rebbe Awrohom Itschok and the current Rebbe (shlita) when in Yerushalayim i go to the beis haknesses of Toldos Awrohom Yitchok. May HKB’H bless the Rebbe of Toldos Awrohom Yitchok, His brother from Toldos Ahoron and alle Rebbeim with the chassidim and their families and Klal Yisroeel with Gezundt, Sholem, Broches, Simches and Talmud Toire.