“ Its a shame as the frum people votedforsuch a Mayer. ”

“ 1, I assume that Intel will make allowances for those that are Shomer Shaboss.
2, I see a big diference between opening Intel and opening a mall, perhaps the mall shoul dn ot be allowed.
3, The end could be that Intel will give up on Israel and other firms will never start in israel. The losers will be the workers and schnorrers in Israel (because there will be less tax revenue to support schnorrers).
PS: How will the chareidim get there, I think it is quite far from their area and they arenot big walkers! ”

“ .Chareidy bashers when there were a blue law in the US you had no problem with it however in Yerushalayim ir hakodesh massive chillul Shabbos you have a problem with ehrlich Yiden protesting and encouraging the company to close on Shabbos ”

“ I don't understand. Intel is NOT a Jewish owned company; they should NOT be observing Shabat! As long as they let any Jew who is shomer Shabat off from work, we should have no issue with them.
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“ If they will not listen, it's a mitzvah to not protest. The Gemora says "keshem shemitzvah lomar davar hanishma, kach mitzvah shelo lomar davar she'eno nishma" ”

“ What ever happened to "live and let live"? Why do us, as Orthodox Jews, feel the need to impose our will on others? I am so embarresed yet again of our actions. I wonder what percentage of the people who show up at these "shabbos protests" have a college or post-graduate degree? Probably not many which proves my point that these people are simply bored and uneducated people who are looking to start trouble instead of trying to find a decent job and support their families like real men do. ”

“ What ever happened to "live and let live"? Why do us, as Orthodox Jews, feel the need to impose our will on others? I am so embarresed yet again of our actions. I wonder what percentage of the people who show up at these "shabbos protests" have a college or post-graduate degree? Probably not many which proves my point that these people are simply bored and uneducated people who are looking to start trouble instead of trying to find a decent job and support their families like real men do. ”

“ What ever happened to "live and let live"? Why do us, as Orthodox Jews, feel the need to impose our will on others? I am so embarresed yet again of our actions. I wonder what percentage of the people who show up at these "shabbos protests" have a college or post-graduate degree? Probably not many which proves my point that these people are simply bored and uneducated people who are looking to start trouble instead of trying to find a decent job and support their families like real men do. ”

“ What ever happened to "live and let live"? Why do us, as Orthodox Jews, feel the need to impose our will on others? I am so embarresed yet again of our actions. I wonder what percentage of the people who show up at these "shabbos protests" have a college or post-graduate degree? Probably not many which proves my point that these people are simply bored and uneducated people who are looking to start trouble instead of trying to find a decent job and support their families like real men do. ”

“ It is high time that the normal, sane people start showing up at these rallies to counter-protest. The sane among us needs to start standing up to these thugs. A public parking lot, I can understand a PEACEFUL protest. However, this is a PRIVATE company. A company that has made E"Y its second home for decades.

Intel has been one of the major companies that allowed E"Y to thrive. Many (not all) of these Chareidim should be thanking Intel for their livelihood. It is companies like Intel that pay the ridiculous taxes that allow them to live their ridiculous care-free, WORK-free lifestyles.

Go get a job and pay your admission price (taxes) like everybody else. Then you can have a say it what happens. ”

“ there needs to be a better way to mix different lifestyles and viewpoints..
i think the charedim should have every right to peaceful protest (if they break the law they should be arrested).
until the messianic era, i dont think we can force our values on other jews even if we feel it is for their spiritual good ( and ours too).
the jewish state is the "hatchalta degualh" only the beginning.
we must be thankful to the Almighty for even that beginning...
i wish the charedim would shower them with love and kiddish hashem..
since the current arrangement does not violate the law, i think they need to accept that fact and work through the legitimate political process to change things for the better.. confrontation will not work... the result will be counter-demonstrations pushing more secularism, less kosher food, and guess what less finacial support for the charedim.. to start we all need to thank God for what we do have both the secular and the religious. as always, we need unity in the jewish people not diviseness. ”

“ If Intel tried opening their plant of Fridays in any Arab country - wed be blaming them for ignoring local customs. ”

“ I'd like to know HALACHA L'MAISAH whats the psak. Do we have an obligation to protest or not. Its very simple. Do what the Torah says not your heart full of sinas chinom says. If they are violent theres no doubt its a chillul Hashem and you can check what the Rambam says is an atonement for that! ”

“ Har Hoztvim is in close proximity to Ezrat torah, Sanhedria, Shmuel Hanavi and more and this will encourage cars to drive on Shabbos in public areas- who cares igf they are a private company?. Who do you think Intel are employing? Arabs? No, it is mostly jews who will be Mechallel Shabbos. Eretz Yisrael is practically a secular state- all we have left is a bit of kedushas shabbos in some cities- and now, that has to go as well? In yerushalayim Ir hakodesh? If no one protests then nothing is going to stand in their way! Stop this silly whining that in Eretz Yisrael, you only deserve a voice if you pay taxes and and go to the army. That's missing the point! Yerushalayim is a Holy Place and Shabbos is a big part of it. Its not just another city! ”

“ Very well said.
Please keep in mind, many of the comments here against charedim and observant yidden are written by secular or half secular people, that Torah or Shabbos doesn't mean much to them. ”

“ you go to the counter rally to show your support for chilul shabbos. ”

“ If Intel tried opening their plant of Fridays in any Arab country - wed be blaming them for ignoring local customs. ”

“ Hashem runs the world, not Intel. We thrive because we are Yiddin and Hashem loves us. That's it. He gave us Shabbos, we should show we don't want it desecrated. There's Nothing wrong with that, and the chareidim who keep Shabbos are the reason we survivie and we prosper, not INTEL! Moshiach Now! ”

“ I don't understand. Intel is NOT a Jewish owned company; they should NOT be observing Shabat! As long as they let any Jew who is shomer Shabat off from work, we should have no issue with them.
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“ Of course I don't support chillul shabbos. At the same time, I 100% disagree with this approach. No private company is going to bend to this kind of ridiculous act. No company is going to give these people even 1 inch. The fact is that these kinds of agreements come from negotiating with companies behind closed doors in order minimize their exposure. I would not be protesting the GOAL (shmiras shabbos), I am protesting the protesters. These thugs never win, they make us all look terrible, they bring with them a violet group which commits everything from assault to arson.

If that is the deed you find some kind of pride in, you are sorely misguided.

Once again, sadly, I find myself in a position of wishing the government would cut off all of the socialist programs in E"Y. Let these people with WAY too much time on their hands go get jobs and stop creating one chillul H" after another! The sane among us cannot and should not take it anymore.

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“ next time I am mugged or I think there is a terrorist attack I will call a cheridie and not the police or IDF ”

“ How do you know the level of observance of any of the posters here?

Personally, I would say that the Torah and Shabbat do not mean much to people who throw rocks and dirty diapers--which is the behavior that is usaually seen a t demonstrations organized by the Eida Hareidit. ”

“ Very well said.
Please keep in mind, many of the comments here against charedim and observant yidden are written by secular or half secular people, that Torah or Shabbos doesn't mean much to them. ”

“ Intel is not a Jewish owned company. It's employees ARE Jewish. While it is truly wonderful to hear how much you care about other Jews, not every Jew will ask for the day off, where as up until now, as in most Israeli businesses, they had the day off. ”

“ The Rabbonim gedolei yisroel are well aware exactly what the Rambam says, and also what the shulchan oruch says.
It's for themto decide if it's a kiddush or chilul to go and protest, and your word against theirs is ziltch, zero. ”

“ 'mibirchosov shel adam nikur im talmud chacham hu' the same 'midibrosov shel adam nickur mah hu' i can very easyly smell ones haskafa by his words. you, starwolf, PMO, formaly, Roberts, etc all have same kind of hashkafa, ALWAYS hocking on the real ehrliche yidden ,,when come to sonai yisroel always sticking up for them ”

“ Throwing rocks or dirty diapers on Shabat is a violation of Shabat. And a non-Jew to observe Shabat is liable for the death penalty -- how can we demand that a non-Jewish company observe Shabat. Can the "gedolei yisroel" rewrite halachah that has been accepted for thousands of years? If a gedol told you to eat pig, would you? ”

“ 'mibirchosov shel adam nikur im talmud chacham hu' the same 'midibrosov shel adam nickur mah hu' i can very easyly smell ones haskafa by his words. you, starwolf, PMO, formaly, Roberts, etc all have same kind of hashkafa, ALWAYS hocking on the real ehrliche yidden ,,when come to sonai yisroel always sticking up for them ”

“ So, to you, "ehrliche yidden" are those who are mechallel shbaat by throwing gravel and breaking windows (caught on camera)? Somehow, I must have missed the chapter in "Shmirat Shabbat k'Chllchata" where that is a required part of shabbat observance.

The demonstrators caused more chilul shbbat be bringing in the police and reporters than Intel itself. If their goal was to achieve publicity and make noise, they succeeded. If their goal was to increase the kedusha of Shabbat, the demonstration was a massive failure. Either way, they made jackasses out of themselves. ”

“ 'mibirchosov shel adam nikur im talmud chacham hu' the same 'midibrosov shel adam nickur mah hu' i can very easyly smell ones haskafa by his words. you, starwolf, PMO, formaly, Roberts, etc all have same kind of hashkafa, ALWAYS hocking on the real ehrliche yidden ,,when come to sonai yisroel always sticking up for them ”