“ What I really don't understand is that everyone on this blog who blindly supports Rubashkin claims that since everyone lies on their bank and mortgage applications and hires illegals, SMR did nothing wrong. But if Rubashkin is such a tzaddik yesoid oilam, shouldn't he have set an example and not done these things? After all, wrong is wrong. I have a hard time believing that lamed vovniks lie on credit card applications.

It's well known that Reb Moshe, zal, a true tzaddik, was audited by the IRS many times because his charitable deductions were far in excess of what the government saw as reasonable. Yet every penny was accounted for. That's a tzaddik. Reb Moshe didn't use the "everyone cheats on their taxes" excuse, a, because cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing no matter who the victim is, and b, the truth is not everyone does it. There's something totally wrong with the brand of Judaism that defines a tzaddik as someone who lies "like everyone else" so "really he did nothing wrong."

FYI, the bank in St. Louis that Robin Hood Rubashkin defrauded is owned by Jews. The Dierberg's in St. Louis know how to give charity the old fashioned way - not with stolen money. ”

“ What I really don't understand is that everyone on this blog who blindly supports Rubashkin claims that since everyone lies on their bank and mortgage applications and hires illegals, SMR did nothing wrong. But if Rubashkin is such a tzaddik yesoid oilam, shouldn't he have set an example and not done these things? After all, wrong is wrong. I have a hard time believing that lamed vovniks lie on credit card applications.

It's well known that Reb Moshe, zal, a true tzaddik, was audited by the IRS many times because his charitable deductions were far in excess of what the government saw as reasonable. Yet every penny was accounted for. That's a tzaddik. Reb Moshe didn't use the "everyone cheats on their taxes" excuse, a, because cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing no matter who the victim is, and b, the truth is not everyone does it. There's something totally wrong with the brand of Judaism that defines a tzaddik as someone who lies "like everyone else" so "really he did nothing wrong."

FYI, the bank in St. Louis that Robin Hood Rubashkin defrauded is owned by Jews. The Dierberg's in St. Louis know how to give charity the old fashioned way - not with stolen money. ”

“ What I really don't understand is that everyone on this blog who blindly supports Rubashkin claims that since everyone lies on their bank and mortgage applications and hires illegals, SMR did nothing wrong. But if Rubashkin is such a tzaddik yesoid oilam, shouldn't he have set an example and not done these things? After all, wrong is wrong. I have a hard time believing that lamed vovniks lie on credit card applications.

It's well known that Reb Moshe, zal, a true tzaddik, was audited by the IRS many times because his charitable deductions were far in excess of what the government saw as reasonable. Yet every penny was accounted for. That's a tzaddik. Reb Moshe didn't use the "everyone cheats on their taxes" excuse, a, because cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing no matter who the victim is, and b, the truth is not everyone does it. There's something totally wrong with the brand of Judaism that defines a tzaddik as someone who lies "like everyone else" so "really he did nothing wrong."

FYI, the bank in St. Louis that Robin Hood Rubashkin defrauded is owned by Jews. The Dierberg's in St. Louis know how to give charity the old fashioned way - not with stolen money. ”

“ Why did he wait until now. Why did he not motion for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict at trial? I suspect the answer is the Judge. He feels he has a better shot with the circuit court than with the idiot judge, who may prejudice him further. ”

“ What I really don't understand is that everyone on this blog who blindly supports Rubashkin claims that since everyone lies on their bank and mortgage applications and hires illegals, SMR did nothing wrong. But if Rubashkin is such a tzaddik yesoid oilam, shouldn't he have set an example and not done these things? After all, wrong is wrong. I have a hard time believing that lamed vovniks lie on credit card applications.

It's well known that Reb Moshe, zal, a true tzaddik, was audited by the IRS many times because his charitable deductions were far in excess of what the government saw as reasonable. Yet every penny was accounted for. That's a tzaddik. Reb Moshe didn't use the "everyone cheats on their taxes" excuse, a, because cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing no matter who the victim is, and b, the truth is not everyone does it. There's something totally wrong with the brand of Judaism that defines a tzaddik as someone who lies "like everyone else" so "really he did nothing wrong."

FYI, the bank in St. Louis that Robin Hood Rubashkin defrauded is owned by Jews. The Dierberg's in St. Louis know how to give charity the old fashioned way - not with stolen money. ”

“ What I really don't understand is that everyone on this blog who blindly supports Rubashkin claims that since everyone lies on their bank and mortgage applications and hires illegals, SMR did nothing wrong. But if Rubashkin is such a tzaddik yesoid oilam, shouldn't he have set an example and not done these things? After all, wrong is wrong. I have a hard time believing that lamed vovniks lie on credit card applications.

It's well known that Reb Moshe, zal, a true tzaddik, was audited by the IRS many times because his charitable deductions were far in excess of what the government saw as reasonable. Yet every penny was accounted for. That's a tzaddik. Reb Moshe didn't use the "everyone cheats on their taxes" excuse, a, because cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing no matter who the victim is, and b, the truth is not everyone does it. There's something totally wrong with the brand of Judaism that defines a tzaddik as someone who lies "like everyone else" so "really he did nothing wrong."

FYI, the bank in St. Louis that Robin Hood Rubashkin defrauded is owned by Jews. The Dierberg's in St. Louis know how to give charity the old fashioned way - not with stolen money. ”

“ What I really don't understand is that everyone on this blog who blindly supports Rubashkin claims that since everyone lies on their bank and mortgage applications and hires illegals, SMR did nothing wrong. But if Rubashkin is such a tzaddik yesoid oilam, shouldn't he have set an example and not done these things? After all, wrong is wrong. I have a hard time believing that lamed vovniks lie on credit card applications.

It's well known that Reb Moshe, zal, a true tzaddik, was audited by the IRS many times because his charitable deductions were far in excess of what the government saw as reasonable. Yet every penny was accounted for. That's a tzaddik. Reb Moshe didn't use the "everyone cheats on their taxes" excuse, a, because cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing no matter who the victim is, and b, the truth is not everyone does it. There's something totally wrong with the brand of Judaism that defines a tzaddik as someone who lies "like everyone else" so "really he did nothing wrong."

FYI, the bank in St. Louis that Robin Hood Rubashkin defrauded is owned by Jews. The Dierberg's in St. Louis know how to give charity the old fashioned way - not with stolen money. ”

“ Why did he wait until now. Why did he not motion for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict at trial? I suspect the answer is the Judge. He feels he has a better shot with the circuit court than with the idiot judge, who may prejudice him further. ”

“ You know good and well that is not what people are saying.

They are saying he's a very good man (who might have made some mistakes). They are saying that this man has done many extraordinary good things. In Judaism we look at the entire person, not just one episode of their life.

They are saying that first this whole "scandal" was about the horrible crime of employing illegals, etc, with that excuse they were raided like it was the mob's headquarters, then it turns out that he is not even brought on trial on those charges, but on others that only developed post raid. (And these are painted to look much worse ["massive fraud!"] than they were. No, they are not making excuses).

They are saying that we have an extreme overzealous prosecution who seems to be trying to prove that the government's extreme raid action was justified, as they'd have you believe this is worse than Gotti, Maddoff, and Enron. ”

“ What I really don't understand is that everyone on this blog who blindly supports Rubashkin claims that since everyone lies on their bank and mortgage applications and hires illegals, SMR did nothing wrong. But if Rubashkin is such a tzaddik yesoid oilam, shouldn't he have set an example and not done these things? After all, wrong is wrong. I have a hard time believing that lamed vovniks lie on credit card applications.

It's well known that Reb Moshe, zal, a true tzaddik, was audited by the IRS many times because his charitable deductions were far in excess of what the government saw as reasonable. Yet every penny was accounted for. That's a tzaddik. Reb Moshe didn't use the "everyone cheats on their taxes" excuse, a, because cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing no matter who the victim is, and b, the truth is not everyone does it. There's something totally wrong with the brand of Judaism that defines a tzaddik as someone who lies "like everyone else" so "really he did nothing wrong."

FYI, the bank in St. Louis that Robin Hood Rubashkin defrauded is owned by Jews. The Dierberg's in St. Louis know how to give charity the old fashioned way - not with stolen money. ”

“ I just found out from a family member that the reason the judge moved the trial to Sioux falls is because that's where she lives. Any reason why that sounds fishy? Do you still think its not biased? Weren't those jurists damn proud of their hometown girl? ”

“ What I really don't understand is that everyone on this blog who blindly supports Rubashkin claims that since everyone lies on their bank and mortgage applications and hires illegals, SMR did nothing wrong. But if Rubashkin is such a tzaddik yesoid oilam, shouldn't he have set an example and not done these things? After all, wrong is wrong. I have a hard time believing that lamed vovniks lie on credit card applications.

It's well known that Reb Moshe, zal, a true tzaddik, was audited by the IRS many times because his charitable deductions were far in excess of what the government saw as reasonable. Yet every penny was accounted for. That's a tzaddik. Reb Moshe didn't use the "everyone cheats on their taxes" excuse, a, because cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing no matter who the victim is, and b, the truth is not everyone does it. There's something totally wrong with the brand of Judaism that defines a tzaddik as someone who lies "like everyone else" so "really he did nothing wrong."

FYI, the bank in St. Louis that Robin Hood Rubashkin defrauded is owned by Jews. The Dierberg's in St. Louis know how to give charity the old fashioned way - not with stolen money. ”

“ No one was cheated out of one penny. In fact if he were left alone or assigned a federal overseer everything could and would have been set aright. Instead he was punished for scrambling to save his company (and the livelihood and happiness of thousands) while being pummeled from every side by those who envy, covet and hate. This includes Jews who by the content and tenor of their comments betray their lack of the intrinsic virtues that characterize "all Jews," namely, generosity, modesty and mercy. Yes, in Reb Moshe's kind and righteous eyes, you would have been worthy of contempt for your stingy, smug and pitiless remarks. ”

“ What I really don't understand is that everyone on this blog who blindly supports Rubashkin claims that since everyone lies on their bank and mortgage applications and hires illegals, SMR did nothing wrong. But if Rubashkin is such a tzaddik yesoid oilam, shouldn't he have set an example and not done these things? After all, wrong is wrong. I have a hard time believing that lamed vovniks lie on credit card applications.

It's well known that Reb Moshe, zal, a true tzaddik, was audited by the IRS many times because his charitable deductions were far in excess of what the government saw as reasonable. Yet every penny was accounted for. That's a tzaddik. Reb Moshe didn't use the "everyone cheats on their taxes" excuse, a, because cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing no matter who the victim is, and b, the truth is not everyone does it. There's something totally wrong with the brand of Judaism that defines a tzaddik as someone who lies "like everyone else" so "really he did nothing wrong."

FYI, the bank in St. Louis that Robin Hood Rubashkin defrauded is owned by Jews. The Dierberg's in St. Louis know how to give charity the old fashioned way - not with stolen money. ”

“ The gemora in nedarim says that "dina demalchusa dina" applies to everyone. To say that plenty of tzdokah was given out doesnt ,make one a tzadik if it is ill-gotten. Be a yashrus yid and no drei in ones life and then a persons life will be full of emes. ”

“ OK, talmid chochom, you learnt gemoro nedorim; now show me where that gemoro says one must obey the law. IT DOESN'T SAY ANY SUCH THING. There is no gemoro, no se'if in Shulchon Oruch, NOTHING that says one must obey the law, or that one may not break the law. It is a made-up halocho that doesn't exist anywhere. People parrot "dino demalchoso dino" as if it were some kind of magic phrase that can mean whatever they want it to mean. Well, I can quote irrelevant Aramaic phrases too. "Urvo porach." "Otu beshufteni askinon." "Shliach artil vesayem mesanei." They've got about as much to do with the subject as the one you quoted, i.e. nothing at all. ”

“ He's been found guilty. And given how these things go his chances of a successful appeal are very slim. If the prosecution thought an overturn was likely they would have gone with the immigration charges instead of dropping all of them. The short duration of the trial, the high number of guilty verdicts and the speed with which the jury returned its decision support this.

He's been found guilty. And he isn't getting out of jail anytime soon. If charges are overturned on appeal there will only be one or two. His attorneys tried throwing everything possible at the jury because they really didn't have a coherent defense. "He was too stupid and naive to have done the crimes. " "PETA didn't like him." "You all hate Jews, so he can't get a fair trial." "Everyone does it, so why are you picking on him?" Those are desperation defenses almost guaranteed to fail.

The verdict isn't "anti-Semitism".It's the Law being carried out as it should be. The sooner the Charedim understand that they have to obey the Law like everyone else the sooner they will stop fulfilling the worst stereotypes about yidden. ”

“ He's been found guilty. And given how these things go his chances of a successful appeal are very slim. If the prosecution thought an overturn was likely they would have gone with the immigration charges instead of dropping all of them. The short duration of the trial, the high number of guilty verdicts and the speed with which the jury returned its decision support this.

He's been found guilty. And he isn't getting out of jail anytime soon. If charges are overturned on appeal there will only be one or two. His attorneys tried throwing everything possible at the jury because they really didn't have a coherent defense. "He was too stupid and naive to have done the crimes. " "PETA didn't like him." "You all hate Jews, so he can't get a fair trial." "Everyone does it, so why are you picking on him?" Those are desperation defenses almost guaranteed to fail.

The verdict isn't "anti-Semitism".It's the Law being carried out as it should be. The sooner the Charedim understand that they have to obey the Law like everyone else the sooner they will stop fulfilling the worst stereotypes about yidden. ”

“ BTW, the $4,000,000 that ICE spent on the RAID was "stolen" from taxpayer pockets like mine and yours. In addition, the bank would not have lost a penny if ICE would not have jumped the gun and conducted the raid. As I have mentioned before, there already was an ongoing investigation by the Department of Labor and ICE knew about it but they wanted to be the big heroes. Instead they created a big mess. Stop showing your hatred for this family, it is total rechilus and we are sick of it, honestly. You are bending over backwards to ignore any possibility to dan l'kaf zchus to the point of total ridiculousness. You can't find even one instance where maybe you could believe what SMR says or what we point out? You can't budge an inch? This shows absolute sinah.

So what would have happened if the RAID did not take place? The DOL would have come in and cited him with a list of violations. Yeah I am saying that the responsibility would have fallen in his lap and he would have had fines up to the kazoo, and they probably would not have cared who was responsible, but they would have brought all these issues to his and his father's attention and they would have advised how to fix. ”

“ But Rubashkin is the one that asked for the trial to be moved! ”