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Charedi children in a school. (Archives)Jerusalem - An examination conducted by the Education Ministry reveals several schools in Jerusalem have enrolled students who have never attended a class.
In recent months the Education Ministry has employed the services of private investigators following information received of suspected fictitious registration of children to ultra-Orthodox schools in Jerusalem. The inquiries revealed that in several of the establishments children who were listed as students did not attend classes.
It is suspected that school administrations allegedly provided the Education Ministry with false data in order to receive extra funds allotted according to the number of pupils.
The ministry provides the teaching establishments an annual sum of NIS 6,000 (roughly $1,597) per student which renders the fraud to the extent of hundreds of thousands of shekels. A source close to the investigation estimated that it could even amount to millions of shekels.
A preliminary inquiry indicated that some of the ultra-Orthodox schools in Jerusalem registered children who are affiliated with factions of the Eda Haredit. Those factions do not acknowledge the State of Israel and the children do not attend its establishments. It is also suspected that in some of the cases the children’s parents had no knowledge of their kids being enrolled as students in state-funded schools.
Members of the Eda Haredit are aware of the phenomenon, but refuse to cooperate with investigators out of ideological motives.
An emergency meeting was held in the faction following municipal payment requests that were sent to parents, despite their children not attending the establishments stated on the requests.
A source at the Eda Haredit said that the phenomenon involved some 20,000 children. “We are not interested in dealing with the State of Israel’s losses,” he said. ““It’s not our problem. We solve our problems in our courts.”
The Education Ministry stated that the false registrations are being looked into.
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Nov 28, 2009 at 09:36 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
A source at the Eda Haredit said that the phenomenon involved some 20,000 children. "We are not interested in dealing with the State of Israel's losses," he said. ""It's not our problem. We solve our problems in our courts."
I'm afraid IT IS your problem Eda Haredit because you committed FRAUD.
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Nov 28, 2009 at 10:07 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
oh the anti chasidim ideology! look at the first comment, he writes that it's the Eidah's problem as they committed the fraud. This person read through a whole article, without even seeing what written in it! What I see, it says that other schools, not the Eidah ones, gave in to the state names of student learning there, so to get the stipend for them, but meanwhile those students were affilliated with the Eidah, & they weren't learning in those schools, & their parents didn't even know that some school is making money off them!! So the people that defrauded the system are those other Mosdos, & who knows who they are, they could be Mir, Bnei Akive, Ponevitch, etc etc. but the fraud had nothing to do with the Eidah!
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Nov 28, 2009 at 10:21 PM WolfishMusings Says:Report as Inappropriate
Can someone please clarify something for me here:
Did the Eida register kids that did not attend their schools to get extra money from the government, or did the government-run schools register Eida-affitiated kids to get extra money? The article is not clear.
The Wolf
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Nov 28, 2009 at 10:36 PM professor Says:Report as Inappropriate
I went to a Brooklyn yeshiva that has long since closed down. I remember taking walks to other yeshivos during lunch. years later I figured out why. I heard one yeshiva was busted when one of their supposed students asked an inspector where the bathroom was.
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Nov 28, 2009 at 10:49 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
One thing these investigators don't know is that some mosdos affiliated with Eidah Chareidis make a deal with other mosdos that do take money directly from the government and get money under the table, so they fool the government and satmar in the US
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Nov 28, 2009 at 10:33 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ A source at the Eda Haredit said that the phenomenon involved some 20,000 children. "We are not interested in dealing with the State of Israel's losses," he said. ""It's not our problem. We solve our problems in our courts."
I'm afraid IT IS your problem Eda Haredit because you committed FRAUD. ”
No they have not committed FRUED. Someone has committed frued using their names.
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Nov 28, 2009 at 10:54 PM Meir Says:Report as Inappropriate
I guess shabbos is important because it is in the Torah - what about stealing?
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Nov 28, 2009 at 11:04 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The wolf I'm sorry but I attended a school that barley tought how to read and write inglish which I unfortnetly regrat to this day but it wasent my decission and I was able to dicerne preety quickly and clearly who did the froud so maybe try re reading it might help thanks
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Nov 28, 2009 at 11:10 PM WolfishMusings Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The wolf I'm sorry but I attended a school that barley tought how to read and write inglish which I unfortnetly regrat to this day but it wasent my decission and I was able to dicerne preety quickly and clearly who did the froud so maybe try re reading it might help thanks ”
Thanks. So instead of giving me a simple answer, you chose to write out three lines knocking and mocking me -- and you still didn't provide an answer.
The Wolf
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Nov 28, 2009 at 11:56 PM glatekup Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Can someone please clarify something for me here:
Did the Eida register kids that did not attend their schools to get extra money from the government, or did the government-run schools register Eida-affitiated kids to get extra money? The article is not clear.
The Wolf ”
The article is very clear: others schools registered these "eida" kids without their knowledge. This is fraud on behalf of the schools, not the eida kids.
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Nov 29, 2009 at 12:09 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
oh the anti chasidim ideology! look at the first comment, he writes that it's the Eidah's problem as they committed the fraud. This person read through a whole article, without even seeing what written in it! What I see, it says that other schools, not the Eidah ones, gave in to the state names of student learning there, so to get the stipend for them, but meanwhile those students were affilliated with the Eidah, & they weren't learning in those schools, & their parents didn't even know that some school is making money off them!! So the people that defrauded the system are those other Mosdos, & who knows who they are, they could be Mir, Bnei Akive, Ponevitch, etc etc. but the fraud had nothing to do with the Eidah!
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Nov 29, 2009 at 12:37 AM Expatriate Owl Says:Report as Inappropriate
The schools set the example for the students. And the students seem to learn it quite well. It is no coincidence that for many graduates of these schools, fraud is their parnosseh!
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Nov 29, 2009 at 12:49 AM Mr. Green Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ oh the anti chasidim ideology! look at the first comment, he writes that it's the Eidah's problem as they committed the fraud. This person read through a whole article, without even seeing what written in it! What I see, it says that other schools, not the Eidah ones, gave in to the state names of student learning there, so to get the stipend for them, but meanwhile those students were affilliated with the Eidah, & they weren't learning in those schools, & their parents didn't even know that some school is making money off them!! So the people that defrauded the system are those other Mosdos, & who knows who they are, they could be Mir, Bnei Akive, Ponevitch, etc etc. but the fraud had nothing to do with the Eidah! ”
Look, this has been going on for decades, and everybody knows it. The "other mosdos" are generally the Chinuch Atzmai - the mamlachti dati schools are not involved. The EIda Charadi makes believe it does not get money from the Zionist government - so the Chinuch Atzmai gets the money per capita for their talmidim and passes it on to the Eida. Every few years this hits the newspapers, but nothing changes. (The political realities of Israeli politics do not make it possible for the government to take action.) It is all part of the fiction that the Eida takes no money from the Zionists. There are other scams going on. All to perpetuate the myth, so that when the Eida types go to America to collect money they can claim how desparate they are for money in order to maintain their ideological independence from the Zionists. And the stupid Americans buy it.
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Nov 29, 2009 at 05:29 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ oh the anti chasidim ideology! look at the first comment, he writes that it's the Eidah's problem as they committed the fraud. This person read through a whole article, without even seeing what written in it! What I see, it says that other schools, not the Eidah ones, gave in to the state names of student learning there, so to get the stipend for them, but meanwhile those students were affilliated with the Eidah, & they weren't learning in those schools, & their parents didn't even know that some school is making money off them!! So the people that defrauded the system are those other Mosdos, & who knows who they are, they could be Mir, Bnei Akive, Ponevitch, etc etc. but the fraud had nothing to do with the Eidah! ”
Excuse me, but you also didn't read the whole article. "Members of the Eda Haredit are aware of the phenomenon, but refuse to cooperate with investigators out of ideological motives".
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Nov 29, 2009 at 06:24 AM cadd9 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Can someone please clarify something for me here:
Did the Eida register kids that did not attend their schools to get extra money from the government, or did the government-run schools register Eida-affitiated kids to get extra money? The article is not clear.
The Wolf ”
There are different levels of participation. Some
Eida schools sell the students names and citizen ID's to other schools. Some schools don't sell the names but private people approach the parents with the deal. Give us your kids names and get 80% of the Zionist money.
I've known about and tried to speak about this phenomena for years.
It really is very hard to believe that impoverished people with large families will turn down this kind of money. Six thousand Shekel is a monthly salary. For six kids it's half a years work.
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Nov 29, 2009 at 09:58 AM OMG Says:Report as Inappropriate
The way I read the article, it seems that the Charedi schools are the culprits, not the Eda Haredit, the Charedi schools are the ones who registered the kids who are affiliate with Eda Haredit without the parents knowledge just to get the money and the Charedi schools know that none of these parents send their children only to none government sponsored schools thereby nobody would know that they are using the names of the children of the Eda Haredit, and two even if it comes to light the Eda would never cooperated with the government hence no fear if they get discovered, that is how I am reading this story.
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Nov 29, 2009 at 10:09 AM un named witnnes Says:Report as Inappropriate
now everyone will finally see the true colors of these eida orgs. some one will be paying a hefty price for this
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Nov 29, 2009 at 10:49 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Every person who purchases food, clothing, and any item in Israel pays the MAM Value Added Tax. This included poor charedim in Meah Shaarim. Everyone pays taxes. Unfortunately, not everyone believes that the Charedim are entitled to Government Health, Education and Welfare services due to ideology. This is the real issue.
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Nov 29, 2009 at 01:12 PM contributing member of society Says:Report as Inappropriate
Any school found guilty of this type of fraud should not receive another shekel. It's amazing to me that these people consider themselves to be holier than everyone else and then steal. To say they are stealing from the evil government doesn't make it less of an aveirah.
Anyone who doesn't want to take from the goverment should leave the country. If you walk on our sidewalks, ride on the buses, use electricity, buy bread and milk (both subsidized by the gvmt), visit any Holy place protected by Israeli soldiers you are taking from the gvmt.
Why should anyone be surprised to see that the Eida knows about this and does nothing about it. They are out for themselves, not Torah
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Nov 29, 2009 at 05:27 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
If they are not interested in the State of Israel's losses, then I suggest that they immediately STOP taking any funds from the State.
If it is proven that the Eida Charedit supplies the names of their children to other schools, then they are all defrauding the government, and those responsible should be placed in jail. I'm sure the State of Israel can find them mehandrin meals.
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Nov 30, 2009 at 07:04 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
every yeshva and school HAS to do it for survive, colleges in israel there's no inspection why?
a student in a college receives 10k shekels even if he;s arab and says he support palestine a bochur yeshiva only 350 why is it????
ask any normal rabbi and hell tell you it's ok the chazon ish sayid it's ok
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Nov 30, 2009 at 01:55 PM starwolf Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ every yeshva and school HAS to do it for survive, colleges in israel there's no inspection why?
a student in a college receives 10k shekels even if he;s arab and says he support palestine a bochur yeshiva only 350 why is it????
ask any normal rabbi and hell tell you it's ok the chazon ish sayid it's ok ”
Where do you get this mishegas? College students receive 10K shekels? What re you talking about?
But one resason that college students receive certain benefits is that they have devoted years of their lives to service of the state--i,e, they have served in the IDF. Yeshiva students who have served receive the same benefits.