New York – The state Senate just defeated the same-sex marriage bill by a vote of 24-38.
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The Senate decision Wednesday comes after months of delays and arm twisting of lawmakers sympathetic to the bill but representing conservative districts. It follows a referendum in Maine earlier this month that struck down a gay marriage law before it took effect.
Advocates say they aren’t surprised by the decision. Most, including Gov. David Paterson, say they at least wanted a floor debate and vote.
Gay marriage is legal in Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts and Vermont. A New Hampshire law takes effect Jan. 1
FULL LIST OF YES/NO VOTERS:
Yea Eric Adams (D)
Nay Joe Addabbo (D)
Nay Jim Alesi (R)
Nay Darrel Aubertine (D)
Nay John Bonacic (R)
Yea Neil Breslin (D)
Nay John DeFrancisco (D)
Nay Ruben Diaz Sr. (D)
Yea Martin Malave Dilan (D)
Yea Tom Duane (D)
Yea Pedro Esapda Jr. (D)
Nay Hugh Farley (R)
John Flanagan (R)
Yes Brian Foley (D)
No Chuck Fuschillo (R)
No Marty Golden (R)
No Joe Griffo (R)
No Kemp Hannon (R)
Yes Ruth Hassell-Thompson (D)
No Shirley Huntley (D)
Yes Craig Johnson (D)
No Owen Johnson (R)
Yes Jeff Klein (D)
Yes Liz Krueger (D)
No Carl Kruger (D)
No Andrew Lanza (R)
No Bill Larkin (R)
No Ken LaValle (R)
No Vincent Leibell (R)
No Tom Libous (R)
No Betty Little (R)
No Carl Marcellino (R)
No George Maziarz (R)
No Roy McDonald (R)
No Hiram Monserrate (D)
Yes Velmanette Montgomery (D)
No Tom Morahan (R)
No Mike Nozzolio (R)
No George Onorato (D)
Yes Suzi Oppenheimer (D)
No Frank Padavan (R)
Yes Kevin Parker (D)
Yes Bill Perkins (D)
No Mike Ranzenhofer (R)
No Joe Robach
No Saland
Yes John Sampson
Yes Diane Savino
Yes Eric Schneiderman
Yes Jose M. Serrano
No Jim Seward
No Dan Skelos
Yes Malcolm Smith
Yes Daniel Squadron
No Bill Stachowski
Yes Toby Ann Stavisky
Yes Andrea Stewart-Cousins
B”H great news
By a big vote, too, 38-24.
omg it was so nerve racking watching it buy im so happy where it ended up. thank you to all who made this happen.
Hody Lashem!
omg!!!! thank the good lord that evil evil bill did not go through
Mazel Tov
38 no 21 yes
Mazel tov!!!!!!!!!!
don’t forget its one of the sheva mitzvos!
Boruch Hashem our elected officials voted down gay marriage, not that there’s anything wrong with it.
If people want to be gay, not that there’s anything wrong with it, they can do whatever they’d like but we do not have to recognize it as a marriage.
If someone is in love with their dog, not that there’s anything wrong with that, they can’t marry it. Same thing with gays, not that there’s anything wrong with them.
mazel tov!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now we can stay in NY
See Chullin 92a-b & first Rashi 92b
All I can say is chasdei hashem that this gezaira that can undermine kedushas habayis failed
B”H, the Aibishter hasn’t given up on us yet! Perhaps it will encourage us to try other areas where we need to turn back the tide which always looms above us. — This was an effort We HAD TO stand up against, and WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE TO FIGHT, as the gay-lifestyle lobby is hugely powerful in terms of wealth and media-savvy. Yasher koach to all who put in their 2 cents to defeat this bill.
Regrettably, Klein, Oppenheimer, Schneiderman, and Stavisky voted for it, if you know what I mean.
How could Daniel Squadron vote YES? a shame on him, he totally ignored the vast majority of his district who are vehemently opposed to this bill I am astound and let’s make our voices heard, if you have any suggestions how we can do so effectively please post, action must be taken!
look who voted yes representing boro park and williamsburgh; squadron,parker,savino.Will they still be invited to “charedi’ mettings at election time?
Kevin Parker, you just lost my vote, and yes I voted for you over Noah Dear.
Note: Squadron voted yes – next time we vote him out.
This is bad news.
Good news I guess for those who deal in hate and ignorance.
no ones asking you to stand under the chuppah with them so why do you care?
what a shame the jewish s. Daniel Squadron vote yes
boruch hashem that we voted for squadron so he could vote yes
Great. Now let them do something useful and pass Markey
Keep davening because 24 of them voted for toieva.
Most people who are pro gay marriage have very limited sights. Once they are legally married, the question arises, can they adopt a child, by or girl? If marriage is the end game, let them have a civil union, but if they want full rights, we must protect the children! yes, even married couples get divorced or are abusive. But should we screw up a child on purpose in a gay marriage just to be politically correct?
I wonder if the Aronys will have a problem with Daniel Sqadron who voted yes………
Yidden get excited over the silliest little victories.
my senator is carl kruger he voted no by the way i did my part & emailed he my opinion thet he should vote no & i encourage people dont only read the news the same way you sit by your computer & read vosizneias you could email your senator your opinion that you are upset about his vote go to the senate website put in your address you will get to his site http://www.nysenate.gov/
Baruch Hashem indeed that this bill was voted down. However, we should keep in mind that the act of being gay is what is bad and not the people themselves.
Remmber this vote when you decide which party to support.
B”H my Senator Parker voted for toieva I’m proud of you why don’t they deserve the same right as me? All the republicans scream about govt in our lives but by morality all they want the govt involved
A Big Loss for Civil Rights….
Any one who listened 2 the pro g** senators – all that they were saying was “God created all men & woman equal” If I were there I would shout on the top of my lungs If you at least believe that GOD created them think of how he created them Via MAN and WOMAN, and you have no right to change that, and legalize an act that could eventually lead to a disruction of the world and don’t compare womans rights, slavery etc… these civil rights don’t contradict gods ways to the way you low lifes are proposing shame on you!!!!!!!
I am profoundly distraught by the new turn of events by orthodox Rabbis, why for the first time since the destruction of Israel they decided to espouse intolerance and deny rights to a segment of society, Gay rights is nothing more than a right that the constitution afforded to each individual, no matter how you try to justify this action, you will not find any time in our Jewish history since the Diaspora were our leaders came out in support of denying any human his or her right, and there is a good reason for that, whenever someone tries to curtail someone rights Jews are not far behind. The problem is simple that since the destruction of the European Jews, some of our orthodox rabbis decided to teach our children a new religion, which is based on extremism, from Israel peace issues, to kashrus, strawberries, and A whole host of issues in between, at the same time this new extremisms fasters, these same Rabbis and leadership impeded again and again the apprehension and convection of the molesters in our midst, but they are busy to line up our communities against Gay marriage, for what purpose? It is only political in nature. I don’t know what we could do to stop the self mutilation, only a reformation might help. Finally I will challenge anybody to show me in one instance all the way from the destruction of the Temple up to the 19th century where our leadership came out against Gay rights in the none Jewish population, and I will donate $1000 to the first persons cause.
Some of these comments vex my understanding of who I thought were observant Jews. I can not believe that any “religious” person would support this, by act or in theory.
G-d bless you, Senator Bonacic.
kevin parker voted yes….
kevin parker voted yes….
You are so ignorant of basic history!I see expulsions and progroms from the poles are considered equality by you.You are right,i don’t intend to go into arguments with someone who he thinks he knows it all,when he doesn’t know the basics.look it up in all basic history books about the saxons.
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For the benefit of the readers I decided to expend a bit on my original challenge, well as of tonight nobody would take on my challenge and the only one person who turned the challenge on me to show when the Jews had the opportunity to protest the granting of civil rights to gays that they didn’t elect to do anything, in my previous post I cited a reputable historian on the reformation who in his works discuses the 1569-70 Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth and state the all religious and minority rights including gay rights was granted in that period and additionally I challenge him why the Jewish leadership didn’t come out against these rights, his reply was well something that he know history because he know about the “look it up in all basic history books about the Saxons’ so I replied that Saxons were a confederation of Old Germanic tribes and at the time in question they didn’t have any influence on Poland, but instead of admitting that he is confused he threw out a name “Augustus the strong, the elector of Saxony” well here is were his lack of history knowledge shines through the clouds, Augustus was over a 100 years after the confederation.
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Even to the untrained eye it is blatant, that you never ever studied the Reformation and what effect it had on Europe, in a previous post I already explained to that yes the Commonwealth was good the Jewish population and if there was any pogroms that was due to the Russians Cossacks who invaded the Commonwealth and killed Jews, again I cited to you my sources Diarmaid MacCulloch who is considered the final word on the Reformation everythink I wrote I specifically stated from where I took It, but you just again babble about the Saxons don’t you understand that yes they were the problem they didn’t care for the Commonwealth’s political system and eventually that led to the first partition on August 5, 1772 and you never cited even one source So here is my final point on this chapter and I will quote to you Wikipedia again
The history of the Jews in Poland dates back over a millennium.[1] Poland was home to the largest and most significant Jewish community in Europe and served as the center for Jewish culture, ranging from a long period of religious tolerance and prosperity among the country’s Jewish population, to its nearly complete genocidal destruction by Nazi Germany in the 20th century after the German and Soviet occupation of Poland in 1939 and the ensuing Holocaust.
Part # 2
From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was one of the most tolerant countries in Europe.[2] Known as paradisus Iudaeorum (Latin for Jewish paradise) it became a unique shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and a home to one of the world’s largest and most vibrant Jewish communities. According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[3][4][5] With the weakening of the Commonwealth and growing religious strife (due to the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter-Reformation), Poland’s traditional tolerance[6] began to wane from the 17th century onward.[7] After the partitions of Poland in 1795 and the destruction of Poland as a sovereign state, Polish Jews were subject to the laws of the partitioning powers, primarily the increasingly anti-Semitic Russian Empire,[8] but also Austro-Hungary and Kingdom of Prussia (later known as the German Empire). Still, as Poland regained independence in the aftermath of World War I, it was the center of the European Jewish world with one of world’s largest Jewish communities of over 3 million. Anti-Semitism, however, from both the political establishment and from the general population, common throughout contemporary Europe, was a growing problem.[9]
Part # 3
The Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was formed by the union of the Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania in 1569. The new Commonwealth was one of the largest and most populous countries of 16th and 17th-century Europe.[2][3][4][5]
The new union possessed features unique among its contemporary states: the Commonwealth’s political system (known alternately as the Noble’s democracy or Golden Freedom) was characterized by strict checks upon monarchical power. These checks were enacted by a legislature (Sejm) controlled by the nobility (szlachta). This idiosyncratic system was a precursor of modern concepts of democracy,[6] constitutional monarchy[7][8][9] and federation.[10] The two component states of the Commonwealth were formally equal, yet Poland was the dominant partner of the union.[11]
The Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was marked by high levels of ethnic diversity and unusual religious tolerance,[12][13] although the degree of it varied with time.[14]
After several decades of unparalleled power and greatness,[15][16][17] the Commonwealth entered a period of protracted political,[9][18] military and economic[19] decline. In 1795 the Commonwealth was extinguished by growing absolutist neighbors: Austria, Prussia and Russia. Shortly before its demise the Commonwealth adopted a massive reform effort and enacted what is traditionally seen as the second oldest codified national constitution of modern history.[20][21][22][23]
Good; finally we are back to my original point, based on your argument that because there were a few pogroms which did happen during 1572 -1586 (I am not sure if any did happened at the time) therefore you look at the constitutional rights as only on paper, if that is your argument, then you would have to say that our country is the same, there were riots in the Crown Heights incident and A Jew was killed, and I know of at least four Jews who died at the hand of Aryan Nazis in the last forty years, but I am sure that you would agree, with that conclusion, and rightfully so, the same with Poland, the commonwealth was very beneficial to our community and all minority communities, and finally my point was and it still stands, the Council of Four Lands Va’ad Arba’ Aratzot who was granted enormous power by the commonwealth never got involved in any rights issues only what pertained to the Jewish population. And finally I hope after you spend some time on the commonwealth subject, you will recognize that they had a major contribution to the survival of the European Jewry up to world war ll.
Part four: I want to clarify that when i mentioned the progroms and expulsions, i referred to the ones commited in poland(not i also mentioned expulsions) i was not talking about the ones by the cosakks.Obviously,it wasn’t the pole’s who were behind them ,the cossakks were rebelling against the pole’s.This was utterly prevalent in the saxon era.Now you mentioned my lack of sourcesWell,as i sais before look it up in all history books on the life of jews in poland.As i see you qoute wikipedia so extensively,you can look up most of my historical points there.Also see glimpses of jewish warsaw(c.i.s. publishers)
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Wladislaw failed, however, to realize his dreams of fame and conquest, or to reform and strengthen the Commonwealth. His death, marked the end of the Golden Age of the Commonwealth, as conflicts and tensions that Władysław had failed to resolve led in 1648 to the greatest of the Cossack uprisings—the Khmelnytsky Uprising—and to Swedish invasion, and some historians argue that Wladislaus was very ambitious and dreamed of achieving great fame through conquests, and in the latter years he planned to use the Cossacks to provoke the Turks into attacking Poland so that his military leadership would be indispensable see Poczet Królów i Książąt Polskich (The Kings and Dukes of Poland), 1980
That doesn’t mean that all of sudden the Jews lost their statues and benefits, it means as historians look back they could make a judgment as to what precipitated the peasant revolt, I am inclined to say it was not religious in nature, it was all about how the nobles and the Jews treated who worked the fields and took advantage of the lower class that was the cause but the effect was that nobility and the Jews suffered.
Look for part # 5