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Rockland County, NY - Police Called In To New Square Protest [video]

Published on: December 28, 2009 12:37 PM
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Rockland County, NY - Ramapo police Sunday night responded a call reporting a mob of about 500 people in New Square at the intersection of Bush Lane and Clinton Lane.

At about 9:30 p.m., the crowd gathered as an unorganized protest about a conflict within the community, police said.

The Clarkstown and Spring Valley police departments as well as Rockland County Sheriff’s Department also responded to the scene to assist with crowd and traffic control.

The crowd eventually dispersed. No property damage or injuries was reported.

No arrests were made as a result of the incident.

Read more at The Journal News 

A YouTube video was posted online from the protest see below


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 Dec 28, 2009 at 12:46 PM Anonymous Says:

What was the protest about?

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 01:05 PM Monsey Man Says:

Of course it was just a matter of time. Just wait and see what's coming down the road.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 01:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Don't call is a "Mob" if it is merely a gathering of 500 orderly, civilized people exercising their right to assembly

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 01:31 PM me Says:

Its about time to stop the terror in New Square! lats stand behind the ppl ho r ready to stand up!

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 01:39 PM MBP Says:

There is a constant conflict between the older Bochirim which are no longer in Yeshiva just working boys, which are using the Yeshiva building situated next to the main shul on Shabbos while the Rebbe is Davening and doing the Tish. The organizers tried locking down the building several times and many attempts have already been foiled. This time some people allegedly broke into the building to let these Bochirim congress and farbreng during the Shabbos. The Mob consists of some very extreme bochirim which have been carrying out a lot of the recent holy acts of disruption on behalf of restoring order and rule to the Shtetel. Previous protest have included vandalizing cars and damaging peoples property.. nor the village or the Rebbes house has taken any responsibility for this thus far.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 01:44 PM Anonymous Says:

nobody has work in the morning?
rabbousya whats going on???? bittul torah!

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 01:46 PM MBP Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Don't call is a "Mob" if it is merely a gathering of 500 orderly, civilized people exercising their right to assembly

this is the definintion of MOB..mobbed, mob·bing, mobs
1. To crowd around and jostle or annoy, especially in anger or excessive enthusiasm:
I qualify this crowd ad a real MOB

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:

What a chilul Hashem. Divrei Chachmim B'nachas Nishmoim. Enough said.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 02:12 PM Ruthie Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Don't call is a "Mob" if it is merely a gathering of 500 orderly, civilized people exercising their right to assembly

Yes, and MY tax payers dollars had to pay for the police! What a waste of my gelt! Our police are busy hunting down rapists, child molesters and criminals and they had to be called in for this mishugas?

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 02:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

What was the protest about?

A group of old Bochrim, some working during the day and some not working at all, have hijacked a few years ago a room in the yeshiva building adjacent to the shul and barricaded it. They hang around there every night and every Shabbos and Yom Tov. What they are doing there? You guess. This place is a magnetic place for shvacha bochrim and they are dragging more and more young bochrim into there gang. The hanhala tried numerous times to persuade them to leave this place unsuccessfully. They tried a few times to lockup the building but these guys broke down the doors and locks. A few weeks ago, the Dayanim of skver mailed a letter to all residence advising them that the all public buildings will be locked up every night, Shabbosim and Yamim Tovim and asked that this be respected and adhered to for the safety and kedusha of our youths. To enforce this, the dayanim hired a security company to make sure no one trespasses these premises. This past Shabbos, during davening, 2 yungeleit, one in his late 20's and one in his late 40's, who are unfortunately clinging to this group, for obvious reasons, disregarded the security guards directions and entered the building and would not leave.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 02:53 PM Help Should be On The Way Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

A group of old Bochrim, some working during the day and some not working at all, have hijacked a few years ago a room in the yeshiva building adjacent to the shul and barricaded it. They hang around there every night and every Shabbos and Yom Tov. What they are doing there? You guess. This place is a magnetic place for shvacha bochrim and they are dragging more and more young bochrim into there gang. The hanhala tried numerous times to persuade them to leave this place unsuccessfully. They tried a few times to lockup the building but these guys broke down the doors and locks. A few weeks ago, the Dayanim of skver mailed a letter to all residence advising them that the all public buildings will be locked up every night, Shabbosim and Yamim Tovim and asked that this be respected and adhered to for the safety and kedusha of our youths. To enforce this, the dayanim hired a security company to make sure no one trespasses these premises. This past Shabbos, during davening, 2 yungeleit, one in his late 20's and one in his late 40's, who are unfortunately clinging to this group, for obvious reasons, disregarded the security guards directions and entered the building and would not leave.

Not all bochurim are able to sit and learn, they need a program to give them a purpose in life. Maybe they need job training, or shiurim on their level. In the Yeshivashe velt there are programs like this to keep such young men off the street. They need it in new Square, Kiryas Yoel and elsewhere.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 03:09 PM Anonymous Says:

I dont know whose right ,,,, but i do know that people who are true yiras hashem do not accomplish things through terror ......

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 03:11 PM MBP Says:


Since it seems you have all the details. Why don’t you try explaining to how the dayanim that have such control over the buildings have no control over the Bochurim. Or maybe they sent the Bochurim to protest. In either case I think you will have an extremely hard task explaining to normal people how young unruly Bochurim screaming profane comments in front of someone’s house with woman and young children in there, have been deemed the appropriate messengers to deliver this important message. Or maybe this is a way to use and humiliate other people to advance some unjust cause.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 03:15 PM focus Says:

look where this happened: "at the intersection of Bush Lane and Clinton Lane."
maybe the street names were the cause of the fight.
so the democrats were on clinton lane while the republicans stood on bush lane.
i'm just wonderint if the democrats are the ones who want liberalism or communism?

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 03:26 PM chillul hashem? Says:

nobody made a chillul hashem, beside the OISVURF who took the clip, & posted it everywere.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 03:59 PM Anonymous Says:

I would like to know if one of this so called Askunim have ever tried to help these Bucherim with Shidduchem jobs etc, I wonder if the Deiyonim in Square believe that the problem of drop-outs in New Square will disappear after this building is being locked down.
They are investing so much money and efforts to lock this building, like this is the biggest problem in New Square right now, their problem is not this building, the just hate these Bucherim and they will do everything in their power to terrorize them, that’s why they never tried to negotiate with the Bucherim or to help them.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 04:02 PM MBP Says:

Reply to #15  
chillul hashem? Says:

nobody made a chillul hashem, beside the OISVURF who took the clip, & posted it everywere.


Please do me a favor.. you are upset at the messenger? Apparently whoever orchestrated this really thinks they did the right thing… let’s see what most people think. Sorry that the days of isolationism are over.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 04:06 PM Anonymous Says:

This is the second protest they did one on motzy shabbos too.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 04:55 PM wow Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

A group of old Bochrim, some working during the day and some not working at all, have hijacked a few years ago a room in the yeshiva building adjacent to the shul and barricaded it. They hang around there every night and every Shabbos and Yom Tov. What they are doing there? You guess. This place is a magnetic place for shvacha bochrim and they are dragging more and more young bochrim into there gang. The hanhala tried numerous times to persuade them to leave this place unsuccessfully. They tried a few times to lockup the building but these guys broke down the doors and locks. A few weeks ago, the Dayanim of skver mailed a letter to all residence advising them that the all public buildings will be locked up every night, Shabbosim and Yamim Tovim and asked that this be respected and adhered to for the safety and kedusha of our youths. To enforce this, the dayanim hired a security company to make sure no one trespasses these premises. This past Shabbos, during davening, 2 yungeleit, one in his late 20's and one in his late 40's, who are unfortunately clinging to this group, for obvious reasons, disregarded the security guards directions and entered the building and would not leave.

what a great way to deal with teens at risk,,,,,,,,,THROW THEM OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!GEVALDIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 05:07 PM shame on those who send the bachurim Says:

is this a way of teaching vahavta l,reiacaha k,amoicha?

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 05:32 PM Anonymous Says:

So wait, the extremists are bullying the extremists so the extremists are protesting the extremists? Uh, whatever.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 05:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Most of the posters here on VIN have never ever visited the town, how by seeing a clip decide who’s right or wrong decide how much they did actually invest in those buchrim etc. I don't live there, but I could understand that having buchrim in my house being mechallel shaabes is painful and needs to be locked down, this yeshiva belongs to the village of new square and they have the right to close it down, this is a shtetel like every shtetel in the old times where a ruv has the power of a ruv , and YES he may make TAKUNES and he can punish if you don't listen to him, he's aloud to have is way of life and if you don’t like it leave the shtetel, they built it on a philosophy and he may stick with his rules, I don't think this is debatable in any way. Please give it some real thought

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 05:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Where are their parents? these kids need to be under curfew and not let out of the house past 10PM

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 03:03 PM skvar boy Says:

The problem their is, the Buchrim are always open for action....
We need to give them some sports other wise you won't have control on them

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 06:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

I would like to know if one of this so called Askunim have ever tried to help these Bucherim with Shidduchem jobs etc, I wonder if the Deiyonim in Square believe that the problem of drop-outs in New Square will disappear after this building is being locked down.
They are investing so much money and efforts to lock this building, like this is the biggest problem in New Square right now, their problem is not this building, the just hate these Bucherim and they will do everything in their power to terrorize them, that’s why they never tried to negotiate with the Bucherim or to help them.

they did negotiate w/all this buchirim, they even send a letter 2 them & offered them money. Btw, there is a Program for this Buchirim every night, & there is a lot of ppl who are actively busy helping this Buchirim w/Jobs, special yeshivas, Shiduchim. there is No reason in the world why they need 2 let them hang around there..

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 07:39 PM OMG Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

Most of the posters here on VIN have never ever visited the town, how by seeing a clip decide who’s right or wrong decide how much they did actually invest in those buchrim etc. I don't live there, but I could understand that having buchrim in my house being mechallel shaabes is painful and needs to be locked down, this yeshiva belongs to the village of new square and they have the right to close it down, this is a shtetel like every shtetel in the old times where a ruv has the power of a ruv , and YES he may make TAKUNES and he can punish if you don't listen to him, he's aloud to have is way of life and if you don’t like it leave the shtetel, they built it on a philosophy and he may stick with his rules, I don't think this is debatable in any way. Please give it some real thought

I took you advise, and I give it some thought but too much, and I came up with, this is the USA there is nothing that will allow a local community to force out legal inhabitants of any legal residence which is privately owned and if it is owned by the yeshiva then there is still legal domicile issues with must be addressed by the court not by the Rabbi or Rebbe, they just cannot legally force out a resident without due process.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 07:41 PM MBP Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

Most of the posters here on VIN have never ever visited the town, how by seeing a clip decide who’s right or wrong decide how much they did actually invest in those buchrim etc. I don't live there, but I could understand that having buchrim in my house being mechallel shaabes is painful and needs to be locked down, this yeshiva belongs to the village of new square and they have the right to close it down, this is a shtetel like every shtetel in the old times where a ruv has the power of a ruv , and YES he may make TAKUNES and he can punish if you don't listen to him, he's aloud to have is way of life and if you don’t like it leave the shtetel, they built it on a philosophy and he may stick with his rules, I don't think this is debatable in any way. Please give it some real thought

I did visit the place and my judgement is not derived from watching the clip.. having said that why dont you explain the protest instead of talking about the lockdown of the building.. which for some reason you keep on talking about.. the issue at stake here is the way young kids that know nothing about real life did this protest. in a unheard of fashion under any circumstances. the break-in happened on Shabbos and it would surprise anyone to think that this action was thought thru in a responsible way.. the only conclusion canbe that these buchirim were lookin for ACTION and it is unfortunate that some people feel that this is acceptable.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 08:10 PM practice says Says:

it"s better for them to hang around in square then in a theater or other not kosher places ,in every yiddish city there is some shul or yeshvia were those souls can hang around .it"s not fair that it shoult"nt be in the entire city such a corner,put there some cameras to observe there behavior &thats; it.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 08:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

Most of the posters here on VIN have never ever visited the town, how by seeing a clip decide who’s right or wrong decide how much they did actually invest in those buchrim etc. I don't live there, but I could understand that having buchrim in my house being mechallel shaabes is painful and needs to be locked down, this yeshiva belongs to the village of new square and they have the right to close it down, this is a shtetel like every shtetel in the old times where a ruv has the power of a ruv , and YES he may make TAKUNES and he can punish if you don't listen to him, he's aloud to have is way of life and if you don’t like it leave the shtetel, they built it on a philosophy and he may stick with his rules, I don't think this is debatable in any way. Please give it some real thought

You're right that a shtetel can make tekunes etc. . But we are talking here about bochrim that are on a slippery slope , with means of terror, locking them out etc. Vet men goornisht oifteen , leider this is also proven, with varemkiet and seichel you can accoplish much much more . I am not blaming the skvere for doing the lockdown cause I don't know the complete details , and these stories are allways complicated.

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 Dec 28, 2009 at 11:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
OMG Says:

I took you advise, and I give it some thought but too much, and I came up with, this is the USA there is nothing that will allow a local community to force out legal inhabitants of any legal residence which is privately owned and if it is owned by the yeshiva then there is still legal domicile issues with must be addressed by the court not by the Rabbi or Rebbe, they just cannot legally force out a resident without due process.

Nobody is a resident of a Yeshiva. if it is a public building, which this is, the village has an absolute right to close the building.

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 Dec 29, 2009 at 01:12 AM practice says Says:

it"s better for them to hang around in square then in a theater or other not kosher places ,in every yiddish city there is some shul or yeshvia were those souls can hang around .it"s not fair that it shoult"nt be in the entire city such a corner,put there some cameras to observe there behavior &thats; it.

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 Dec 29, 2009 at 07:56 AM Kiruv Says:

The only way we will minimize drop outs is by being flexible and giving them a purpose and respect.

From experience I can tell you that sometimes it works to save a troubled soul but by being tough and heavy you push them further away!

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 Dec 29, 2009 at 10:27 AM OMG Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

Nobody is a resident of a Yeshiva. if it is a public building, which this is, the village has an absolute right to close the building.

If the building is not a dormitory then you are right, when I think of a yeshiva I assume that it has a dorm too,

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 Dec 29, 2009 at 02:50 PM Anonymous Says:

The building lock down is not to help the d/o, it is to protect the general population from the "nisyonos" that this hangout presents. There is no room for debate this "Shtetel" has a purpose and all the sweat and energy will not go down the sewer just for a few outcasts.

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 Dec 29, 2009 at 03:37 PM Outsider Says:

From what I gather it is a dorm for bochurim that are students of the yeshivah. However these guys are in their 30's and don't belong there to begin with.

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 Dec 29, 2009 at 05:24 PM MBP Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

The building lock down is not to help the d/o, it is to protect the general population from the "nisyonos" that this hangout presents. There is no room for debate this "Shtetel" has a purpose and all the sweat and energy will not go down the sewer just for a few outcasts.

Mr. anonymous.. For some reason you are forgetting that the "Nisyonos" you are refering to, are your own bochurim. you are way to dimissive in addressing the fact that this issue has been mishandled in the shtetel for many years. in contrast you are acting as if these are some foreign junkies that sat into your private shtetel.. for crying out loud these are your own children and you got to do better then having a dayan, b”d or CGK taking care of their problems and addressing their concerns.. and stop being so judgmental of others you know what they say "Kol Hapoisel Bemimo poisel".

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 Dec 29, 2009 at 06:11 PM Resident Says:

Sorry MP. These buchirim are well taken care off to the best possible. and they even DO have a place to gather. The simple reason of closing the yeshiva building is to protect our children. The percentage of drop outs rised sky high since these leidig geiers do there gatherings there and it includes even little yeshiva ktana buchirim.
It's for our children. It must have been done, no question. and who is responsible for the rochniyes of our shtetel if not the dayen and his shlichim?
Maybe you could have solved it better???

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 Dec 29, 2009 at 06:38 PM OMG Says:

Reply to #35  
Outsider Says:

From what I gather it is a dorm for bochurim that are students of the yeshivah. However these guys are in their 30's and don't belong there to begin with.

If the building is a dorm and these people sleep there, regardless of their age, you cannot legally evict them without legal proceedings, there are law of the land which even a yeshiva must comply with.

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 Dec 30, 2009 at 03:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
OMG Says:

If the building is a dorm and these people sleep there, regardless of their age, you cannot legally evict them without legal proceedings, there are law of the land which even a yeshiva must comply with.

I am a New Square resident. No, these guys don't dorm there, they hang out in all different places like 7 11 and the like, and for their own convenience, they chose to also hang out in the Yeshiva building which is a building that serves the younger bucherim. They were given a different place where to gather, which they refused. The community established a warm place with Yungeleit to be them mekarev and shmooze with them, and to make them feel at home. It has cost the community tens of thousands of dollars to reach out to these guys in a nice and warm way. What do we get back for that?
Who in his right mind would want his children hangin' around with these 7 11ers on a Friday night, or any other night, for that matter? The bucherim that actually belong there, can't eat their Seudas Shabbos there because these hoodlems took over the place! I can go on and on, but whoever is interested in getting the picture just a little bit, can see what the issue is here. Now they are trying to paint this as an extremist issue. This has nothing to with extremism. Ask any person in the community and he will agree that these boys do not belong in that building. Period. Enough said for now.

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 Dec 30, 2009 at 11:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Every self respecting civilization that values it's identity and takes itself seriously will at some point be confronted with the need to make hard decisions and draw a line in the sand. The leadership of the Chassidic communities all over the world are challenged by increasing divergences in the community, and the harsh reality of having no choice but to throw people out who do not belong. The community is not a democracy. For those individuals who find themselves trapped in a lifestyle they no longer wish to live....leave. For the leadership of the communities...stand up and lead. Toss out those whom threaten your way of life. They are a far greater threats than text messaging or the internet to the Chassidic communities. You would not tolerate poney tail wearing hippies in shul; don't tolerate these bums. Toss em out.

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