“ I do not believe in this one since the last one was also proven to be a big hoax,and probably the fish story was also ”

“ like everything else by when fanaticism is in charge everything is fake theese rabbis some of them are hopeless dupes ”

“ So many people are idiots including the other news blog which never gets anything right.

If this story was true don't you think TSA would have charged this person for an additional seat?

The body scanner would have definitely picked up something in this person.

All joking aside, people are just as stupid as the people who believed in the fish that started to talk to the mexican worker in Williamsburg, NY ! ”

“ Wasn't it monsey ny and it happend to an ehrlicher yid who would of never told about the story just the mexican goy told it. U have no proof to deny it I have proof its true I know the guy ”

“ I do not believe in this one since the last one was also proven to be a big hoax,and probably the fish story was also ”

“ I'm believing this story until I hear what rav batzri has to say. I'm so confused. rav batzri was crying like a baby! how cud he b fooled. somethings wrong here! too many gedolim blieved this to b genuine. how come? he's gone to so many rabbonim. u can fool 1 or 2 or mayb 3 rabbonim. but not over 10 of the gr8est gedolei hador of eretz yisroel. what r all of them saying now? sick! ”

“ would someone please tell me what makes one a "Mekubel"? ”

“ would someone please tell me what makes one a "Mekubel"? ”

“ would someone please tell me what makes one a "Mekubel"? ”

“ So many people are idiots including the other news blog which never gets anything right.

If this story was true don't you think TSA would have charged this person for an additional seat?

The body scanner would have definitely picked up something in this person.

All joking aside, people are just as stupid as the people who believed in the fish that started to talk to the mexican worker in Williamsburg, NY ! ”

“ would someone please tell me what makes one a "Mekubel"? ”

“ Rav Shterenbuch wasn't there, and in fact Reb Chaim Kenwevsky and lots of other Gedolim sent this person to Rav Batzri. ”

“ Can anyone explain to me fully what is a dibuk?
”

“ rav batzri is known to b a great mekubal! how come he blew shofar I the presence of other great rabbonim????? how did they blieve this?? they cudnt have all been fooled. what's goin on ”

“ It's amazing that in this day and age there are still so many naive and gullible people
around that will believe any bubba mayse.
Of course there are no shortage of people that will take full advantage of any situation for publicity, money or fame.
I remember the last dibbuk was shown to be a grand hoax to gain some points in
a political election. Wonder what this will turn out to be? Maybe Rav Shternbuch is right that it's just a deranged mentally ill person - Nebech. If so, no amount of yelling or shofar blowing will do any good aderabah it might do further harm.
But it makes for good theatrics for the benefit of the naive ....
”

“ Could anyone tell me if they ever saw in a sefer anything about a dybbuk except in story books ”

“ Reply to #22: "scktsprenya" huh? what language is that? In english it's called schizophrenia!!
p.s. I'm not judging on this case. ”

“ “ Can anyone explain to me fully what is a dibuk?

A dibbuk is a fictional creation of jewish mythology in meidieval Europe. There is obviously no such thing except in the troubled minds of these two rabbonim (Sternbuch and Batzri) and their discussion of this dibbuk meshugaas is borderline avodah zorah. ”

“ So many people are idiots including the other news blog which never gets anything right.

If this story was true don't you think TSA would have charged this person for an additional seat?

The body scanner would have definitely picked up something in this person.

All joking aside, people are just as stupid as the people who believed in the fish that started to talk to the mexican worker in Williamsburg, NY ! ”

“ Can anyone explain to me fully what is a dibuk?
”

“ “ Can anyone explain to me fully what is a dibuk?

A dibbuk is a fictional creation of jewish mythology in meidieval Europe. There is obviously no such thing except in the troubled minds of these two rabbonim (Sternbuch and Batzri) and their discussion of this dibbuk meshugaas is borderline avodah zorah. ”

“ First of all anyone who learns kabbalh even a goy can be a mekubal

But to be a mekubal mitzad hakedusha (which is needed to be able to deal with dibukkim etc) needs extraordinary madreigas of perishus and kedusah and anavah etc. Anything less is both dangerous and mitzad hatumah ”

“ It is also called DID multiple personality disorder it could be healed with lots of therapy and needs no medication. Just therapy years and years of therapy.
It is special treatment. People do heal and go on to live normal lives. Hopefully he will do so as well. Let us not judge let us wait and see the outcome. It is also a message for Klall Yisroel to wake up ”

“ my grandmother grew up by the shinover rebbi.she told us that she personally wittnessed the shinover rebbi extracting a dybbuk from a person.therefore i believe that the story may be true ”

“ It is terribly sad to see how many honest and well meaning yidden will buy into this nonsense. Why can’t we just stick to Toras Hashem? Why do we feel that we need something deep and black that we cannot understand? Are our lives so devoid of meaning that we hope everything has a deeper translation.Is not the fact that we are living the words of Hakodosh Baruch Hu satisfying enough?
The concept of a dybukk is not mentioned in the gemorah at all. It was a creation of the superstitious gentile society in the middle ages. Why don’t we look at where these practices really “shtam” from. A quick glance at wikipedia tells us more than enough. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism)
CHRISTIANITY “In Christian practice the person performing the exorcism, known as an exorcist, is often a member of the church, or an individual thought to be graced with special powers or skills. The exorcist may use prayers, and religious material, such as set formulas, gestures, symbols, icons, amulets, etc. The exorcist often invokes God, and/or several different angels to intervene with the exorcism.”
HINDUISM-”Vaishnava traditions also employ a recitation of names aloud. According to Gita Mahatmya of Padma Purana, reading the Bhagavad Gita and mentally offering the result to departed persons helps them to get released from their ghostly situation.”
BUDDISM-”The Zen technique of exorcism is described by “a visiting Zen Buddhist monk” exorcist : “I recall one person who was being bothered by a spirit who refused to leave. I could see the spirit myself … . But I could also see that it was a product of the individual’s … . When I explained the nature of the spirit to the individual, … the spirit was gradually absorbed through the top of the person’s head”
We are an Am Hakodosh. We have no business with the Chukas Hagoyim.
”

“ The Rabbi says its a Mental illness only because most can't handle the reality that this does exist. This goes back generations its only those usually of a certain background that can't handle that reality when even in the texts of our holy tradition say straight out that this does exist. I have pity that we are so low that we need Rabbis to deny the whole existence of this reality to protect the weak minded.This phenemona of protecting the weak minded and those who are afraid of Reality has been going on for generations. The are supposed to because some would just freak out. But in truth these stories are not meant for them its really only for the faithful among us. I love it when the simple minded say I told you so that this was a hoax they only say that because they are so afraid to hear that everything iin life has a Cheshbon. ”

“ The Rabbi says its a Mental illness only because most can't handle the reality that this does exist. This goes back generations its only those usually of a certain background that can't handle that reality when even in the texts of our holy tradition say straight out that this does exist. I have pity that we are so low that we need Rabbis to deny the whole existence of this reality to protect the weak minded.This phenemona of protecting the weak minded and those who are afraid of Reality has been going on for generations. The are supposed to because some would just freak out. But in truth these stories are not meant for them its really only for the faithful among us. I love it when the simple minded say I told you so that this was a hoax they only say that because they are so afraid to hear that everything iin life has a Cheshbon. ”

“ I don't know about this case, but there is such a thing as a Dybuk. It is not a bubba maase. ”

“ Wasn't it monsey ny and it happend to an ehrlicher yid who would of never told about the story just the mexican goy told it. U have no proof to deny it I have proof its true I know the guy ”

“ Dr. Michael leibowits is a world renowned psychiatrist he claims there is no such thing of dibek its called a mixed state of bipolar where u have 2 personalities going @ each other. With a psychic effect ”

“ 2 personalities is known as a Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) once know as split personlaity its under the umbrella of dissociative identity disorders (DID) ”

“ Oh come on - Rav Shternbuch would not be afraid to call a spade a spade - if he believed this was a dybuk he would say so. He for whatever reason has decided unequivocally and paskened that he does NOT believe that this is a case of dybuk.
He has not said that there never was such a thing as a dybuk.
Let's stick to the facts. I believe Rav Shternbuch knows what he is talking about
and doesn't go along with every narishkeit & sensationalism that people come up with. He is NOT afraid of anyone but Hashem. ”

“ Dr. Michael leibowits is a world renowned psychiatrist he claims there is no such thing of dibek its called a mixed state of bipolar where u have 2 personalities going @ each other. With a psychic effect ”

“ “ For starters, taking Wikipedia as your source is a very poor foundation."

Poor foundation for what? Do you deny that excorcisms exist in the aforementioned religions. My point is that there is no mention of dybbukim in the gemoroh. Couple this with the remarkably similiar claims and "treatments" in christianity, and one can see where this has originated.

“Secondly, Toras Hashem Yisborach includes kabbolo and nistar and neshomos and zugos.”

Let’s not lump together differing concepts. Nistar is a very broad term., and I sure don’t deny the existence of neshomos. Kaboloh and zugos are a discussion beyond the scope of this forum, however, they are not mentioned at all in tanach, mishnah, or gemoroh. Surely you don’t intend to imply that Hakodosh Baruch Hu manifests himself through different zugos chas v’shalom. This is seemingly no different than the Christian concept of the trinity.

“In any case, any serious talmid of Torah who learned in one of the major yeshivos is aware of the reality of dibbukim and non rationalist phenomena.”

Once again you combine two concepts and portray them as one and the same. There is a vast difference between belief in dybbukim and the fact that not everything must seem rational. There is no “rational” reason given for the parah adumah, yet it is toras Hashem. One is required to believe in the torah regardless if it is rational to them or not. A serious talmid of torah is aware of the 13 ikrim of the Rambam. Belief in the existence of dybbukim, is not amongst them.
”

“ the jewish history and holy text books are telling us about dibukim which were handled by big Tzaddikim kedoshim like the Ahari hakodosh, the hailiger Chida,the
talmidei bal shem, the talmidei hagru and tzadikim nastirim, Its known that the hailiger after the last known dibuk Shiniver rav and was told also by the Chofetz Chaim, stated from now on there will be no more dibukim,(both tzaddikim lived in the same takufah ) ever since we have never and will never hear from dibukim. # 1 you watch Rabbi Batzri conducting his feverish tefilos in front of a monitor, we all admit that internet is a kaila tamah how can kedusha and tumah merge? # 2 the meshorerim assisting rabbi Batzri are only gashmias personels they might be talmidei chachumim and kabbalists with all the features of the shem havaye but far far away from kedusha and purity, remember we live in the era of hester punim, todays tzaddikim can't see or hear or have the strength to demonstrate what we learned in the past don't get fooled,




”

“ Yes and the Rambam unequivocally said there is no such thing as an Ayin Hara when anybody learning Bava Basra knopws that Hezek Reiyah is a reality. So why would he do it so the Hamon Am not get carried away with fears. In fact Rav Shternbuch is doing what he's supposed to do. This happens over and over in every generation. Like was stated these stories are only for the faithful and as far as the rest The Rabbanim purposefully protect them from being ovewhelmed. On a side note all can see Moshiach is Clearly on His Way. ”

“ Rav Sternbuch is not a licensed medical Psychiatrist and so he is not qualified to offer a medical opinion on who is insane and who isn't.

Rav Sternbuch is also not known to be a renowned Mekubal (as is HaRav David Batzri) and therefore Rav Sternbuch is also not qualified to make a determination if this is or is not a case of a valid Dibuk.

For all commenters here who are so quick to say that "how could so many Rabbonim be duped", please understand that the only one who is qualified to give a medical diagnoses of Mental illness is a Licensed Medical Psychiatrists, which Rav Sternbuch IS NOT and so no one has been duped yet and so far all qualified Mekubalim agree it is a Dibuk. ”

“ Someone who is unemployed and has a very active imagination. ”

“ Who are we to say if it is a dybukk or not. All I know is that it is wrong to go against Daas Torah. It serves no purpose to critisize or character assasin Gedolai Torah. This is a sin. ”

“ Even the Catholic Church has banned exorcisms because they know it's retarded to do it on people in 21 century because we have medical science to enlighten us on how our brains work! Why do these "Gadolim" continuously fall for these embarrassing and crazy stories? Perhaps these gadolim are just as clueless and fanatical as their thousands of followers. Thousands watched some cyber operation by gadolim to remove a "dybuk" through WiFi by screaming and blowing a Sheep's horn! Give me a break from this insanity please! Exorcisms are still performed in the most backwards tribes in Africa and poorest countries in South America. But now we have Gadolim who do this too in 2010!
Every single person including these Gadolim that fall for this nonsense all the time need Dr. Phill to give them comprehensive psychiatric evaluations and treatments. ”

“ It is terribly sad to see how many honest and well meaning yidden will buy into this nonsense. Why can’t we just stick to Toras Hashem? Why do we feel that we need something deep and black that we cannot understand? Are our lives so devoid of meaning that we hope everything has a deeper translation.Is not the fact that we are living the words of Hakodosh Baruch Hu satisfying enough?
The concept of a dybukk is not mentioned in the gemorah at all. It was a creation of the superstitious gentile society in the middle ages. Why don’t we look at where these practices really “shtam” from. A quick glance at wikipedia tells us more than enough. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism)
CHRISTIANITY “In Christian practice the person performing the exorcism, known as an exorcist, is often a member of the church, or an individual thought to be graced with special powers or skills. The exorcist may use prayers, and religious material, such as set formulas, gestures, symbols, icons, amulets, etc. The exorcist often invokes God, and/or several different angels to intervene with the exorcism.”
HINDUISM-”Vaishnava traditions also employ a recitation of names aloud. According to Gita Mahatmya of Padma Purana, reading the Bhagavad Gita and mentally offering the result to departed persons helps them to get released from their ghostly situation.”
BUDDISM-”The Zen technique of exorcism is described by “a visiting Zen Buddhist monk” exorcist : “I recall one person who was being bothered by a spirit who refused to leave. I could see the spirit myself … . But I could also see that it was a product of the individual’s … . When I explained the nature of the spirit to the individual, … the spirit was gradually absorbed through the top of the person’s head”
We are an Am Hakodosh. We have no business with the Chukas Hagoyim.
”

“ " Do you deny that excorcisms exist in the aforementioned religions. My point is that there is no mention of dybbukim in the gemoroh. Couple this with the remarkably similiar claims and "treatments" in christianity, and one can see where this has originated."

The Jews don't copy from others. They copy from us. Additionally, often when they copy us, we drop it. This is the case with throwing rice as a symbol for fertility which used to be a Jewish custom.

Zugos means the dangers of pairs. See Pesachim 110 a. Additionally, there is the
issue of gilgul neshamos. This has nothing to do with the trinity or anything like it.

It's true that one is not a kofer for not believing in dibbukim. However, with all the discussion about it in our Torah SheBaal Peh of the later doros, one who doesn't believe in them is simply misinformed or refusing to accept the authority of great and holy Torah scholars. ”

“ Whether or not he's a licensed medical psychiatrist, there is something known to us Yidden as Daas Torah. Rav Sternbuch is Daas Torah. ”

“ “ For starters, taking Wikipedia as your source is a very poor foundation."

Poor foundation for what? Do you deny that excorcisms exist in the aforementioned religions. My point is that there is no mention of dybbukim in the gemoroh. Couple this with the remarkably similiar claims and "treatments" in christianity, and one can see where this has originated.

“Secondly, Toras Hashem Yisborach includes kabbolo and nistar and neshomos and zugos.”

Let’s not lump together differing concepts. Nistar is a very broad term., and I sure don’t deny the existence of neshomos. Kaboloh and zugos are a discussion beyond the scope of this forum, however, they are not mentioned at all in tanach, mishnah, or gemoroh. Surely you don’t intend to imply that Hakodosh Baruch Hu manifests himself through different zugos chas v’shalom. This is seemingly no different than the Christian concept of the trinity.

“In any case, any serious talmid of Torah who learned in one of the major yeshivos is aware of the reality of dibbukim and non rationalist phenomena.”

Once again you combine two concepts and portray them as one and the same. There is a vast difference between belief in dybbukim and the fact that not everything must seem rational. There is no “rational” reason given for the parah adumah, yet it is toras Hashem. One is required to believe in the torah regardless if it is rational to them or not. A serious talmid of torah is aware of the 13 ikrim of the Rambam. Belief in the existence of dybbukim, is not amongst them.
”

“ reply to #97 please don't talk nonsense! there is no proof that there was a dybuk in a woman and the lubavitcher rebbe took it out rather that was a talk explaining the story of miriam bas bilgah (i think it was even a siyum on mesechta sukka) and a valuable lesson we can learn from it (maybe people made up stories later) ”

“ So many people are idiots including the other news blog which never gets anything right.

If this story was true don't you think TSA would have charged this person for an additional seat?

The body scanner would have definitely picked up something in this person.

All joking aside, people are just as stupid as the people who believed in the fish that started to talk to the mexican worker in Williamsburg, NY ! ”

“ You say, "Kaboloh and zugos are a discussion beyond the scope of this forum, however, they are not mentioned at all in tanach, mishnah, or gemoroh." What is implied here is pure denial of Torah! Nevuas Yechezkel is one great example of Kabbalah in the Tanach. Last time I checked Rashbi was a Tanna. The very same Ramban who's pirush you study on Gemorro included Kabbalah in his pirush on Chumash? Did you know that several times there are quotes in the Rambam's halochos that are a somewhat different than the source quote in Bavli (and Yerushalmi where applicable) and midrash, and yet they are verbatim (that means word for word) as in the Zohar! Yes, these are pointed out in their places in the Hebrew English Rambam by Moznaim. Please tell me which yeshiva imbues your kind of haskofo so that I can make sure my children don't go there. By the way, did you know that certain pieces of Gemarrah can not be explained without Kabolloh? In Tzefas, what do you think the Bais Yosef's opinion was of the Ari z"l. The Vilna Gaon write in his pirush on Tanach that one cannot pasken unless one studies Kabbalah. I don't know why even have to go so far to point out the utter kefira you are implying. ”

“ The term we are all so accustomed to using called "Daas Torah is actually a modern day invention of the past century and not much older.

The term "Daas Torah was invented in recent generations and has no Halachic bearing and for all real Torah purposes is a figment of someone imagination.

There is no such criteria "Daas Torah" mentioned in Shas nor in Shulchan Aruch.

Even Moshe Rabeinu has made a mistake when he hit the rock and so if Moshe Rabeinu not enough of a "Daas Torah" for anyone?

A Rav is not above the Halacha and can be held accountable to prove HAVE TO prove his onioning.

If a rav says something it has to be substantiated as in "M'Heichan Dantuny" especially in this case where he being disputed by other Halachi experts, who know how to learn just as much as him or more. ”

“ "Nevuas Yechezkel is one great example of Kabbalah in the Tanach"

Please do not compare a navi to a kabbalist, they are entirely different concepts. Neviim are mentioned in Tanach, kabbalists are not.

"Last time I checked Rashbi was a Tanna"

No kidding? Why didn't Rashbi mention any of "his kabbalah" in the gemoroh. The zohar which the kabbalists attribute to Rashbi was only "found" about 700 years ago by a man named moses de leon. Additionally there are Amoraim mentioned in the zohar who lived after the time of Rashbi.

"Ramban who's pirush you study on Gemorro included Kabbalah in his pirush on Chumash?"

The Rambans kabbalah was pre-Lurianic and can have a different explanation than the one given by the post-Lurianic kabbalists.

"What is implied here is pure denial of Torah.....I don't know why even have to go so far to point out the utter kefira you are implying."

I will repeat that belief in kabbalah is not mentioned in the 13 ikrim of the Rambam. The 13 ikrim are the guidelines for what constitutes a kofer, not what you will it to be.






”

“ You wrote: "The zohar which the kabbalists attribute to Rashbi was only "found" about 700 years ago by a man named moses de leon." "The Rambans kabbalah was pre-Lurianic"
The Vilna Gaon was a great mekubal. In your view in error? Incidentally, one of his great arguments was concerning how to explain a specific idea of the Ari z"l (tzimtzum).

You totally ignored the fact that I demonstrated that Rambam uses quotes of Zohar in Yas Hachazaka.

You wrote: "I will repeat that belief in kabbalah is not mentioned in the 13 ikrim of the Rambam. The 13 ikrim are the guidelines for what constitutes a kofer, not what you will it to be."

Since Klal Yisroel, and their accepted gedolim in particular accept Kabbalah as part of Torah, then your viewing it is as not part of Torah ch"v is kefira according to the 13 ikkarim of the Rambam, as far as all of the above mentioned gedolim and rest of klal Yisroel.
”

“ "You totally ignored the fact that I demonstrated that Rambam uses quotes of Zohar in Yas Hachazaka."

You did not demonstrate anything. The fact is that the Rambam was niftar in the year 1204. The zohar was not "discovered" until 1280. To claim that the Rambam used quotes from the zohar is to tell me that you are ignorant of history.

"Since Klal Yisroel, and their accepted gedolim in particular accept Kabbalah as part of Torah, then your viewing it is as not part of Torah ch"v is kefira.."

These are the words of Rabbeinu Meir ben Shimeon of Narvonne, written with the approval of his uncle Rabbeinu meshullam regarding the kabbalists of his time: "They are wise in their own eyes, invent ideas and incline toward heresy. They imagine they are bringing proof for their views from the statements of Aggadoth that they interpret according to their error. G-d forbid! The intent of the Sages who made those statements was not in accord with their view and intent."
Do you ch'v consider Rabbeinu meir & Rabbeinu Meshullam Kofrim too?

”

“ There are too many things you say that warrant comment, so let's keep it simple.

The Vilna Gaon was a great mekubal and wrote much about the Ari z"l's kabbalah. In your view, was the Vilna Gaon on the Torah-true path or not?

The Gr"a maintained that Zohar was part of Torah. If he is correct, then denying that Zohar is Torah is like denying any part of Torah and is kefira according to the Rambam.

On the other hand, you might say the Gr"a was wrong ch"v (and as I stated in the Gra's name that to pasken you have to be vesed in kabbalah) then I, along with most of klal Yisroel cannot possibly have a coherent discussion with you. I only chose the Gr"a as an example (even Chassidim acknowledge his greatness). Klal Yisroel has found him most-venerable to say the least.

Fact: The Rambam on specific occasions uses quotes verbatim as they are found (and later on publicized, and this is the whole point . . . even before it was publicized) in the Zohar. Those same quotes are stated differently in Bavli/Yerushalmi. Question, were these verbatim quotes pure flukes? Or, perhaps this substantiates the notion that the Zohar was kept secretly by Gedolay Yisroel, and publicized only later? ”

“ There are too many things you say that warrant comment, so let's keep it simple.

The Vilna Gaon was a great mekubal and wrote much about the Ari z"l's kabbalah. In your view, was the Vilna Gaon on the Torah-true path or not?

The Gr"a maintained that Zohar was part of Torah. If he is correct, then denying that Zohar is Torah is like denying any part of Torah and is kefira according to the Rambam.

On the other hand, you might say the Gr"a was wrong ch"v (and as I stated in the Gra's name that to pasken you have to be vesed in kabbalah) then I, along with most of klal Yisroel cannot possibly have a coherent discussion with you. I only chose the Gr"a as an example (even Chassidim acknowledge his greatness). Klal Yisroel has found him most-venerable to say the least.

Fact: The Rambam on specific occasions uses quotes verbatim as they are found (and later on publicized, and this is the whole point . . . even before it was publicized) in the Zohar. Those same quotes are stated differently in Bavli/Yerushalmi. Question, were these verbatim quotes pure flukes? Or, perhaps this substantiates the notion that the Zohar was kept secretly by Gedolay Yisroel, and publicized only later? ”

“ "...most of klal Yisroel cannot possibly have a coherent discussion with you"

The halachos of rov do not apply to fundamental beliefs. During the times of Eliyahu there were only 7000 jews remaining loyal to true Toras Hashem. I have not even touched on the crux of the problems with kabbalah, and its views on the oneness of Hakodosh Baruch Hu. That is a discussion that is far beyond the limited scope of this forum. I do not think that I will convince you, nor is that my intent. My goal is that if there is anybody reading this, who doubts the authenticity of kabbalah, know that this was the views of the kadmonim. There was a time when kabbalists could only espouse their views in secret for fear of excommunication. Bavonoseinu Horabim, the tables have been turned. A person no matter how great he is, who expresses these opinions will be called a kofer. This will probably not change until the arrival of mashiach bimihairah byomeinu. However, the annonymity of the internet provides a great opportunity to stand up for what is correct. Look around, search, and you will arrive at the truth. ”

“ I'm believing this story until I hear what rav batzri has to say. I'm so confused. rav batzri was crying like a baby! how cud he b fooled. somethings wrong here! too many gedolim blieved this to b genuine. how come? he's gone to so many rabbonim. u can fool 1 or 2 or mayb 3 rabbonim. but not over 10 of the gr8est gedolei hador of eretz yisroel. what r all of them saying now? sick! ”