New York – EJF Responds To Interview By Executive Director of the Conference of European Rabbis

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    Guma Aguiar and Rav DunnerNew York – Your interview here with Rabbi Aba Dunner, the executive director of the Conference of European Rabbis (January 7, 2010), unfortunately twists the truth about Eternal Jewish Family International (EJF) and is, to say the least, insulting to leading Gedolei Yisroel. Any real search into the truth behind Rabbi Dunner’s charges will lead to discredited sources that are using the recent personal scandal of the founder of EJF as an excuse to disparage leading Torah scholars and the organization.

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    Rabbi Leib Tropper, the organization’s former director, has resigned and no longer has any role in the organization. EJF continues its worldwide activities under the leadership of the Gedolei Yisroel

    Five Towns Jewish Times has since published another rebuttal to this EJF’s response

    Here are the facts about the scandalous charges Rabbi Dunner made:

    Who approached whom and why did the arrangement sour?

    Rabbi Dunner was the one who approached EJF for assistance in funding the Bais Din activities in Europe under the direction of Dayan Chanoch Ehrentreu, the head of the European Bais Din. This was consistent with EJF’s mission to promote universally accepted conversions in intermarriage, as per the dictates of leading poskim, including Harav Moshe Feinstein zt”l who ruled that in the case of a baal teshuva and a potential ger tzedek (convert who accepts Torah and Mitzvos as a way of life) hat such conversions are to be encouraged. In its four-year existence, EJF has affiliated with a network of 19 Botei Din in this country and provided support to the dayanim in the form of conferences and seminars.

    EJF made a significant grant to the CER to expand the activities of the Botei Din in Europe. It soon grew suspicious of the questionable use of the funds by Rabbi Dunner who is employed by the CER and whose responsibilities included the activities of the Beis Din. EJF asked Rabbi Dunner to refund the balance of the money that had not yet been spent or at least to place the money in the trust of Dayan Ehrentreu. Rabbi Dunner refused and in fact continued to bill EJF for “Bais Din expenses” even after the money was spent. (We expect that Rabbi Dunner will surely donate this money to charity as he suggested to rabbonim who received reimbursement for their expenses to attend EJF conferences.)

    While Rabbi Dunner mentions the 25-member Standing Committee of the CER as the basis for his recent support in opposing EJF seminars for intermarried couples, it turned out that he had never received that body’s approval to go forward with the original EJF –CER arrangement. He managed to circumvent the same body that he is now using to discredit the EJF.


    What is the halachic basis for the seminars for mixed couples and who in Europe supports it?

    The seminars are really kiruv seminars for couples where one spouse is well on the way towards becoming a baal teshuva (or may already be) and the other enroute to becoming a ger tzedek. It is consistent with the kind of chinuch that the Gedolim have ruled is fully permissible and even to be encouraged for a prospective convert and the baal teshuva spouse. In fact, this past week EJF sponsored a seminar for nearly 30 couples in Munich that was under the auspices of Dayan Ehrentreu, the leading halachic posek in Europe. The Dayan lectured on such subjects as taharas hamishpocho (family purity) and kashrus and met with each of the couples.

    Rabbi Dunner’s opposition to EJF was based on the support by the CER Standing Committee (later joined by an unsigned statement by the London Bais Din of which Dayan Ehrentreu is a member). The Standing Committee issued a resolution against the seminars and in essence against their own Av Bais Din. For some unexplained reason, none of the senior rabbonim was in Moscow when the decision was taken by the CER Standing Committee to issue such a statement against the seminars and EJF’s role in Europe. When Dayan Ehrentreu did attempt to board a plane for Moscow to attend the session, he found that for the first time in his life his visa was mysteriously invalid.

    Reacting to the derogatory remarks against Gedolei Hatorah, including Dayan Ehrentreu, sharp letters of rebuke against this bizoyon of kovod Hatorah (insult of the honor of Torah) have in recent days been issued by Harav Yosef Chaim Sitruk, president of the CER, Harav Moshe Lebel, the chairman of the Rabbinic Committee of CER, and Rabbi Yihya Teboul, the Chief Rabbi of Lyon, France. It should be noted that the seminars were endorsed by Rav Aaron Leib Shteinman, shlita, even as Rabbi Dunner claimed that Rav Shteinman was opposed to the seminars. The Rosh Yeshiva, in fact, told Dayan Ehrentreu and numerous other witnesses, including Rabbi Dunner’s own brother, that he was categorically in favor of these chinuch seminars. He reportedly told Rabbi Dunner: “What’s wrong with the seminars? They (EJF) don’t do the geyrus.” But Rabbi Dunner used his version to obtain the resolution from the Standing Committee.

    Has the organization inappropriately exerted pressure on Botei Din to grant questionable conversions?

    Even Rabbi Dunner was at a loss to cite specifics. EJF does not do geyrus. They are done by independent Botei Din who make their own decisions on the qualifications for geyrus. All the 19 Botei Din in North America, Dayan Ehrentreu’s Bais Din, and numerous Israeli Botei Din operate independently and after a careful evaluation of each case perform geyrus according to Halacha.

    How is the organization reacting to the scandal of its former director?

    The director of EJF involved in the regrettable personal scandal has resigned and has no role in the organization. EJF has added the highly regarded Rabbi Chaim Blum to its staff to assist it with expanding its rabbinic leadership and key personnel in its offices in the US, Europe and Israel. Its remarkable achievement in affiliating with a network of Botei Din and advancing order to the chaotic geyrus scene is to say the least a formidable accomplishment.

    Five leading Gedolei Yisroel (Harav Yosef Sholem Eliyashiv, shlita, Harav Aaron Leib Shteinman, shlita, Harav Chaim Kanievski, shlita, Harav Yitzchok Scheiner, shlita, and Harav Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz, shlita) have recently written Mr. Tom Kaplan, the Chairman of EJF, urging the continuation of the work of the organization. The three heads of the Halachic Committees (Harav Reuven Feinstein shlita – USA, Dayan Ehrentreu – Europe, and Harav Shmuel Eliezer Stern –Av Bais Din of Harav Shmuel Wozner – Israel) have urged the Botei Din around the world to continue their work under the EJF.

    The organization’s activities have not been limited to geyrus support programs. It has partnered with numerous well-known kiruv organizations (Gateways, Ohr Someach, Lev Leachim, Hidabroot, Arachim and Nefesh Yehudi) to encourage Jewish youth to marry Jews.

    We are extremely disappointed that Rabbi Dunner has chosen to exploit the regrettable circumstances of the scandal to discredit Gedolei Yisroel and the Eternal Jewish Family. It is our hope that all Jews who seek the truth and who cherish kedushas yisroel (the sanctity of the Jewish nation) will appreciate our efforts to set the record straight.


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    You can’t kasher a pig. Period.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    “Rabbi Dunner was the one who approached EJF for assistance in funding the Bais Din activities in Europe…”

    Just follow the dollar signs… They can’t let EJF go because it has the $$$.

    Something's not right
    Something's not right
    14 years ago

    Why is Rabbi Dunner posing with Aguiar? Isn’t this Aguiar guy the one who try to throw Rabbi Tropper off the balcony at the David Citadel hotel. I don’t remember the date but it was posted here on Vin.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    just put this organization out of it’s misery already and shut it down. NO MATTER HOW YOU SPIN IT there is no reason why we are trying to convince non-jews to enter our fold.
    If a irreligious jewish man is engaged or married to a non jewish woman, you should use all your resources to break them up. I know this is easier said than done, but that’s life. You can’t change the rules to satisfy everyone. The ejf is about dollars and nothing else.

    Tropper = Rasha
    Tropper = Rasha
    14 years ago

    If Tropper sat on the bimah of the shul you attend, removed his yarmulkah and ate a cheese burger would you continue to call him Rabbi? Why is that different to the toiveiah which he has done? I managed to get to the first three words of your second paragraph before I vomited.

    DIRT
    DIRT
    14 years ago

    This response indicates the sort of org EJF is. Smug tit for tat and most importantly the type that thrives ON PLAYING DIRTY. They’ve also got pretty bad advisors as most would recommend to keep low while keeping up the work of the org and out of the headlines. These guys have such big egos that each item in the 15 minute life cycle of this media event needs to be responded to. Why do they feel it necesary to hit back and fight? Is this the way/advice of the gedolim? A kavodik and emesdik org would apologise many times over and not look to discredit every last tom dock and harry who has an opinion about them.

    how to say this....
    how to say this....
    14 years ago

    I have a BAD feeling when all these Rabbonim mentioned don’t come out to wash clear their name, the situation but most of all the name of Torah. What is it so hard, or is it under their dignity if they are so supportive of EJF to come and say so????
    I am afraid it’s about the politics again… Let me see who wins to become supportive…
    It is a pashut breakdown of the system of Torah institutions.
    We need Moshiach more then we possibly can imagine.

    Joey
    Joey
    14 years ago

    Tom kaplan can’t buy klall yisroel! Wer not for sale!!

    Gadolwannabe
    Gadolwannabe
    14 years ago

    To quote Deep Throat in the Watergate scandal: “Follow the money”. This will lead you to all of the “Gedolim” in the USA who have drunk from the Tropper well. That is why you have not heard a peep from Agudas Yisroel or from their rabbinic leaders. Don’t stay up nights waiting for Moshiach, he ain’t comin’, not with these characters running around.

    Shimon
    Shimon
    14 years ago

    I don’t know, I have a lot more respect for Rav Dunner then the anonymous Eternal Jewish Family International (EJF)!

    I smell an attempt at black mail.

    pupa
    pupa
    14 years ago

    Rabbi dunner has a very good reputation that is why I feel bad when I saw the smear campaign
    How can he say the tapes are true just on the fact that he heard the tapes?
    Is he the prosecutor the judge and the exiquter?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    in this last paragraph ej group sums up its issue with RAD,

    “We are extremely disappointed that Rabbi Dunner has chosen to exploit the regrettable circumstances of the scandal to discredit Gedolei Yisroel and the Eternal Jewish Family. It is our hope that all Jews who seek the truth and who cherish kedushas yisroel (the sanctity of the Jewish nation) will appreciate our efforts to set the record straight”

    i must say this is a strange swipe at a man who has lived his life from birth in his prestigious fathers home, to where he is today, helping anybody and everybody jewish.
    in places that 99% of jews have given up on throughout europe and russia. he has done work to save jews, he has always been subservient to gedolei yisroel, its odd they should think and say he is discrediting gedolei yisroel and ejf.

    what he is saying is let ejf stop dancing with gedolei yisroel as they have no business diminishing the prestige of gedolei yisroel.
    what he did say was that a massive chillul hashem occured from the leader of the ejf, and yes once that occured the organization is to be questioned and an outcry ought to be heard from yidden saying this is awful and we want no part of it!

    chochom
    chochom
    14 years ago

    EJF destroyed itself by not expressing outrage and disgust with LT. They deserve no trust.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Why are you all protecting the rasha Tropper?

    Monsey insider
    Monsey insider
    14 years ago

    Tropper is a tzadik who was dupped by Guma. 35 years in kiruv says a lot.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Quote from the article “Dayan Ehrentreu’s Bais Din, and numerous Israeli Botei Din operate independently”
    this is a total lie from the EJF, Dayan Erentrau is on the board of EJFI, his beis din does NOT operate independantly, it is FUNDED by the EJF.
    Bottom line the EJF are LIARS

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The first thing I would say is that the EJF did not address nor condemn LT which is the first thing they should have done to make their organization seem clean and untouchable which they didn’t. Just because the bad guy steps down it doesn’t sanitize the operation and the things he did through the organization. So it is still fowl.

    However, had they said, WE regret the actions of our former director…..we are looking into all the allegations and will rectify whatever needs rectifying. If others need to be dismissed they will also be dismissed from the organization. We will make every effort to do what is necessary to return the EJF to the standards that the esteemed Rabbonim have established for it. If anyone knows of any improprieties please bring it to our attention……

    In that way, they would be separating themselves from LT and his shenanigans which they haven’t. They are completely ignoring all his aveiros as if they have nothing to do with it and nothing happened. They would need an independent accountant to review all the records, etc. This would be the proper way for Torah true Rabbonim to act in such a situation.

    If they don’t follow such a path, worthless.

    Charlie Hall
    Charlie Hall
    14 years ago

    How can we trust these rabbis in matter of public policy when they continue to promote EJF? Especially when there is a perfectly good alternative in North America — the Rabbinical Council of America.

    tress
    tress
    14 years ago

    Anyone that read the Mishpacha piece on Aba Dunner way back when knows that the man is wise and kindly. Tropper is scum. Who you gonna vote for?

    Robert
    Robert
    14 years ago

    at the present time i am not sure if we can accept any of the gerim through EJF.

    perhaps we have to go back and rely on local batei din of orthdox rabbis ( yes all different orthdox rabbis even charedim) and let them handle geriut halachically

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I’m almost 50 and for much of my life I’ve been on the fence as which camp of KY I belong to (‘Chareidei’ vs. more moderate). However the EJF affair, along with other recent stuff, has made it very easy for me to finally decide. And knowing which camp is better for me has been a huge relief!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Rabbi Dunner is a very respectable Dayan I just don’t understand why is he with Guma Aguiar in this picture? Just wondering

    black hatter
    black hatter
    14 years ago

    EJF has beome a dirty joke. For the benefit of everyone involved and for Yiddishket, let EJF quietly dissolve and disappear.

    Hashochad Yeaver
    Hashochad Yeaver
    14 years ago

    If EJF has $25 Million to milk, why don’t they pay off Rabbi Dunner with a few million and get him to be quite?

    Hashochad yeaver and everyone can be bought, the only question is for what price. Some will sell out their neshama for a Nezid Adashim and some require much more money and kovod before selling out.

    Anyone who wants an honest Rabbinic opinion on anything should steer clear from tall he huge rabbinical organizations rolling in millions in cash and even worse in that they are all Meshuchad because of political pressure, where one hand must always was the other. The temptation for corruption is enormous and they are sure to fall for it, sooner or later.

    Stick with your local small Rav and local small Beis Din for an honest unbiased opinion on anything and everything, including Giyur. This is the exact opposite of the philosophy of EJF where they wanted and still want to centralize everything. Any type of centralized control is extremely dangerous and virtually guarantees corruption, politically SHOCHAD and other vested interest type of SHOCHAD and in simple cash type SHOCHAD.