Montreal, Canada - Police Seize 900 Liters of Alcohol and Kosher Wine from Skver'a Shul |
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January 28, 2010 11:00 AM
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Montreal, Canada - Police seized a large quantity of alcohol from an Outremont synagogue.
Officers say they’ve been warning the synagogue for years to stop buying alcohol in bulk from Ontario.
The alcohol, which is much cheaper in Ontario, is served at religious ceremonies.
Police confiscated over 900 litres of alcohol, including Kosher wine.
According to Quebec law, such large amounts must be purchased from the SAQ.
No charges have been laid so far and the synagogue says it will fight the law if any arrests are made.
VIN News sources, have identified the Synagogue as Skver
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Jan 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Thank you socialism.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 10:25 AM Charlie Hall Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Thank you socialism. ”
Yes, it is socialist, but the profits from this alcohol monopoly contribute to the cost of Jewish education. It is disgusting that we accept money from the government while trying to cheat it out of the very revenues that get funneled to us. Why must we give the anti-Semites such ammunition?
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Jan 28, 2010 at 10:27 AM CR Says:Report as Inappropriate
I could easily see this scenario playing out in states like New Hampshire or Virginia where all booze must be purchased from a state liquor store. Large-scale "importation" from non liquor-commission states (where prices might be lower or selection better) will deprive state/provincial revenue. Judging from the article it seems that SAQ (Société des alcools du Québec) controls all wine and beer sales (NH and VA only control the hard stuff) which makes things even more interesting.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 10:31 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Does anybody know what synagogue and which congregation?
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Jan 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
In Canada the Government simply stole the alcohol market from the people, just like they did with other things like auto-insurance. However, and you can google this, Clergy may purchase wine for sacramental use. They goyim have no idea that we all make kiddush etc. and for this reason we use thousands of time more sacramental wine than other clergy l'havdil. Still, you can be right, but the strong arm of socialism does crack down unlawfully from time to time. Here in particular, the Quebec government is loosing so much in taxes. Another point. Some years ago when there was a referendum whether or not Quebec should separate from the rest of Canada, the then defeated leader blamed the "ethnic" ones, a euphemism for the Jews. The Catholic, French speaking Quebec population are not the most enamored group of people.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Whats the SAQ?
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Jan 28, 2010 at 10:58 AM dr. yid Says:Report as Inappropriate
can one imagine a clearer case of violating dina de'malchusa? they should say an extra tefillah for the medinat chesed of canada if no one is arrested. 900 liters is 75 cases - either one fabulous kiddush club or perhaps there may be yet more to this story.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 10:58 AM frum but normal Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Thank you socialism. ”
# 1 whats your problem?,the law of the land is the law,especially as they have been warned.
why do we frum people have this attitude,that we are above the law,and these laws do not apply to us?
the unfortunate results of this attitude is over 1200 frum chareidi jews incarcerated in prisons all over the U.S
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Thank you socialism. ”
Why do you think that is any different than bootleg cigarettes or wine/alcohol here in New York? Or should we not pay taxes?
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:05 AM GROSSE CHOCHEM Says:Report as Inappropriate
Of course it was kosher wine at a shul. It must be a huge shul or one that's full of drinkers for such a quantity.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:10 AM Yamamai Says:Report as Inappropriate
I know the guy personally.
I'm not saying he's right, but they never warned him.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:13 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
which shul is this in Montreal?
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:27 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
what a "kiddush club" they got !!!
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:34 AM clear thinker Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ In Canada the Government simply stole the alcohol market from the people, just like they did with other things like auto-insurance. However, and you can google this, Clergy may purchase wine for sacramental use. They goyim have no idea that we all make kiddush etc. and for this reason we use thousands of time more sacramental wine than other clergy l'havdil. Still, you can be right, but the strong arm of socialism does crack down unlawfully from time to time. Here in particular, the Quebec government is loosing so much in taxes. Another point. Some years ago when there was a referendum whether or not Quebec should separate from the rest of Canada, the then defeated leader blamed the "ethnic" ones, a euphemism for the Jews. The Catholic, French speaking Quebec population are not the most enamored group of people. ”
I am not a socialist, but this response shows a definite lack of knowledge of politics and economics. The strong arm of socialism did not illegally crack down. It is the law of the state. If the Yidden do not like living in a socialist environment they should move. Over the years. because of anti-semitism and other issues, many Jews have moved out of Quebec. Socialism is an economic system. A socialist state can be voted for in a democracy. Capitalism is an economic system. A capitalist state can be voted for in a democracy. As an aside the Shule could have bought the wine in Quebec and not acted illegally.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:36 AM Martin Says:Report as Inappropriate
The journalist on the French radio and TV said the shul was located on the corner of Lajoie and Durocher in Outremont. According to my knowledge of Montreal, that's Skver. This really has been given a negative spin on the French media, saying: "The Hassidic community refuses to conform to the laws and buy their alcohol from the SAQ like everyone else".
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:47 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
i thought it must have been a lubavitch shul. anyways thats socialism for you. i think the people of canada would be better off. without it. im talking for people that work or have business not the bums who do nothing in the name of kodesh.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:50 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
they like most yeshivah bochurim say "we'll get away with it, don't worry" - and they didn't
we just repatriated a few bochurim from from Israel , who also said" we'll get away with it, don't worry"----
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
it was in skvere shul
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Jan 28, 2010 at 11:59 AM Think clearly please Says:Report as Inappropriate
C'mon, it's not a 'kiddush club' - I'm sure they stocked up with time and have it in a storage room so as not to run out.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 12:02 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I know the guy personally.
I'm not saying he's right, but they never warned him. ”
the synagogue says it will fight the law if any arrests are made.
Fight the law? Follow the law or get out....they have no chance of wining, and to the poster who claims to know the guy.....you assume every detail of his life? How Naive!But I quess since YOU said it, it has to be true and all chrges will be dropped!
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Jan 28, 2010 at 12:12 PM AJ Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ # 1 whats your problem?,the law of the land is the law,especially as they have been warned.
why do we frum people have this attitude,that we are above the law,and these laws do not apply to us?
the unfortunate results of this attitude is over 1200 frum chareidi jews incarcerated in prisons all over the U.S ”
What's the source for the figure you give-- 1200 frum chareidi jews?
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Jan 28, 2010 at 12:26 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Some shuls in the U.S.buy wine in bulk and then resell it to members, sometimes avoiding taxes.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 12:31 PM A.N. Says:Report as Inappropriate
"Thank you socialism"
Nonsense. Taxing liquour and regulating its purchase across jurisdictions is a well established gov't power. It has nothing to do with socialism.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 12:58 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
maybe they have a problem of buying wine thru a goy one who learns knows how chumra it is yayin akum especilly for kiddush
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Jan 28, 2010 at 01:17 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Can you buy Kosher liquor from the SAQ...whatever that is?
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Jan 28, 2010 at 02:06 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Skver is a prominent synygouge in Outremount on Durocher street!
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Jan 28, 2010 at 02:07 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This story is missing out the main part that everything was done 100 percent leagelly and they just did it because they are french antisemites
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Jan 28, 2010 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Societe Alcool Quebec
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Jan 28, 2010 at 03:03 PM skver Says:Report as Inappropriate
it was done 100% legal i know the person and the bad lady forget made all these problems. and all churchs bring in much lager loads of alchol. don't buy every peace of garbage from the media
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Jan 28, 2010 at 03:07 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
to number 29 - everything was done in a completely illegal manner. The authorities were very considerate in warning Skver several times. This is an extra warning to several other moisdos who are engaging in similar activities. In Canada each province has a mandated agency to sell all wine and spirit products. They have an authorized list. However, other items can usually be imported as long as the SAQ gets its tax.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 04:02 PM Lubav Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ i thought it must have been a lubavitch shul. anyways thats socialism for you. i think the people of canada would be better off. without it. im talking for people that work or have business not the bums who do nothing in the name of kodesh. ”
Why would you think that it is a Lubavitch shul?
What a transparent prejudice.
My husband is the rav of a very large Lubavitch shul and we buy ALL our wine and alcohol from the SAQ only and the SAQ only - and conform strictly to every detail of the tax and donor laws.
Just comes to show you the inherent prejudice by some.
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Jan 28, 2010 at 07:51 PM Knows Too Much Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What's the source for the figure you give-- 1200 frum chareidi jews? ”
The sad statistic comes from the Aleph Institute of Florida which serves the religious needs of Jewish inmates in State and Federal prisons across the United States. In addition, Aleph also proudly serves the religious needs of Jewish members of the armed services. Aleph indicates that there are presently 5 to 6,000 Jews sitting in prisons. Of that number, approximately 1,200 are Othodox, a category which includes modern Orthtodox, Yeshivish, as well as Chasidish. Please bear in mind that the highest percentage of the population of any country in prison is that of the United States.
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Jan 29, 2010 at 10:32 AM montrealer Says:Report as Inappropriate
bottom line canada is a major medina shel chesed, especially quebec. there isnt another city in the whole north america that gives such a yiddish education for its children for such a low tuition fee! why, because the quebec govt. gives 3000 dollars per student per year for schools, even private ones that spend most of the day teaching torah ..... besides all the govt money for child support free medical , parental leave money after birth, csst money when u become pregnant, drugs and prescriptions heavily subsidized ect. it goes on and on. keep the law and dont rock the boat.
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Jan 29, 2010 at 10:50 AM J. C. Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is much like laws prohibiting people from transporting large quantities of cigarettes from North Carolina to New York. Just like Quebec, New York wants its taxes!
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Feb 02, 2010 at 07:30 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This story is missing out the main part that everything was done 100 percent leagelly and they just did it because they are french antisemites ”
Nonsense. The journalist that brought that illegal alcohol smuggling story is himself... Jew!
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Mar 02, 2010 at 09:14 PM Peter Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The journalist on the French radio and TV said the shul was located on the corner of Lajoie and Durocher in Outremont. According to my knowledge of Montreal, that's Skver. This really has been given a negative spin on the French media, saying: "The Hassidic community refuses to conform to the laws and buy their alcohol from the SAQ like everyone else". ”
What kind of a spin should be given to illegal and fraudulent actions by any media.
Why single-out the french. They all did.