Williamsburg, NY – Where the Women Wait, an Unwritten Code Is Revised

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    Women, many of them Hispanic or Polish, waiting for work cleaning houses in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.[Photo credit: Marcin Zurawicz]Williamsburg, NY – For years, every morning, the sight has been the same at Marcy and Division Avenues in Williamsburg, Brooklyn: a crowd of women gathered on the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway overpass amid the din of traffic. They are day laborers looking not for construction work, but for work cleaning houses of Hasidic residents.

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    There were originally maybe 40 or 50. And like many traditions that grow up out of necessity around New York City, this cleaning woman shape-up had certain unwritten codes, accepted patterns that all the women acknowledged, and abided by.

    The young Polish students speaking fluent English were usually in front; they tended to be employers’ favorites, and they could translate for the others. Just behind them, spread along the overpass fence, stood Polish women in their 40s and 50s, with some even older. Then, at the end of the line, there would stand a few women from Latin America.

    But as the years have gone by, and the economy has been knocked around, change has come to this corner in Brooklyn. Gradually but unmistakably, young immigrants from Peru, Mexico and Ecuador wearing short black jackets and tight jeans have taken the front row. A smaller crowd of older Polish women now stands behind them. And the crowd has more than doubled, with women spilling onto the street on two corners.

    Lost jobs in factories, tailor shops, stores and restaurants in other parts of the city have brought the Hispanic women to Williamsburg: a lot of them, like the Polish women, are illegal immigrants and therefore not eligible for unemployment benefits. Being a domestic day laborer is one of their few safe options for making a little money.

    At the same time, the economic slowdown has stopped most Polish students from coming to the United States, especially since they can explore other options in Europe now, after many of the European Union countries opened their job markets to Polish citizens.

    So it was on a recent morning, the women stood side by side, braced against the cold and gusts of wind hitting the overpass. In parkas and hoods, with bags over their shoulders, the Hispanic women were in front. The Polish women stood in knots to the side, their hair tucked in knit caps, smoking, sharing a free tabloid newspaper, keeping their eyes glued to the curb for work.

    No matter what country the women came from, their breath made mist in the air just the same. But the Polish and Hispanic women didn’t talk to each other. And the language barrier may have only been one reason. Even though they are in front, the Hispanic women may be willing to accept less money — $7 or $8 per hour — than the Polish women, who generally charge $10, some members of the crowd said. This has led to tensions; the delicate balance of this urban phenomenon has been altered.

    Cars and school buses passed, but the women noticed only those few that stopped. When one white sedan pulled up, it was practically mobbed.

    “Two, three years ago, I used to get a job every day within a few minutes of waiting here,” said a woman named Krystyna, 45, who lives nearby in Greenpoint. “Now I get it two, three times a week at best. And I have to wait at least one and a half to two hours.” She did not want her last name used. When she came to the United States with her husband and daughter four years ago, the economy was booming and she had no regrets about leaving a small town in Poland.

    The wages of a day laborer were far more than she could get at home. And getting the job was easy. At least it was back then.

    “More people started to clean their houses themselves as they try to save money,” Krystyna said. The size of the crowd at the overpass makes her and her companions anxious: they worry that if the gathering grows too large, it may attract too much attention and be shut down. They pointed at a yellow flier in Spanish attached to the fence — to some of the women, it looked like an official announcement. But it was just the language barrier at work again: it was an ad for a computer class.

    Some Polish workers complained that by working for less money, the women from Latin America were undermining a market that they worked hard to establish.

    At least one potential employer said she got used to the services of the Polish women over the years. “They’ve been coming here forever and they clean fast,” said a Hasidic woman who introduced herself as Ms. Katz, 30. She came to the shape-up pushing a baby carriage: “I have six children. I need help.”

    Rebecca Gutierrez, 51, is one of the relative newcomers. She has been looking for work since June, when she was laid off from a food catering business. “I really need to work,” she said, her voice edged with weariness.

    Ms. Gutierrez moved to a friend’s apartment in Jackson Heights, Queens, where she does not have to pay rent. She also had to stop sending money to her son back in Peru.

    Around 11 a.m., the crowd started to thin down. Most of the Polish women were gone, including Krystyna. Some left with their employers; others decided to call it a day. But Ms. Gutierrez was still waiting. She was one of the oldest women on hand from Latin America. Perhaps that is why, she speculated through a translator, that she rarely gets hired. During a good week, she is able to make $100. Sometimes, however, she does not make anything the entire week.

    The word around is that the best days for getting a job are Thursdays and Fridays, as the preparations for Sabbath begin. But it was Wednesday. Ms. Gutierrez quit around noon.


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This should bring down prices we should offer four bucks a hour, I’m sure some will bite..

    moshe
    moshe
    14 years ago

    the polish tried to kill us and all they have done the last 20 years is get down on their kness and clean our toilets You gotta love it

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Welcome to America ladies. No golden streets? I don’t remember golden streets in 1950 when we came from Italy. I do remember my parents both working hard. I also remember learning English immediately. Something that the present day immigrants can’t seem to accept. Too bad the Polsih students aren’t coming. They’re good, quick, understand English, and happy to work so they can pay for schooling and then get a good accounting job or become a lawyer. The Hispanic girls won’t do that. All they need is a nice cleaning lady job. And perpetuate poverty in their families.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    At $7 an hour, the whole illegal alien thing isn’t so bad after all.

    balabuste
    balabuste
    14 years ago

    please ladies, treat these desperate women kindly. don’t consider them your “shikse” or your “goya,” think of them as good women who will perhaps have the zechus to help you clean your jewish home.

    ShatzMatz
    ShatzMatz
    14 years ago

    I would like to take this opportunity to give a shoutout to our long-time cleaning lady Arietna. She is reliable, well mannered and hardworking. My wife pays her half of her salary so that she can go out and work. Arietna then sends back half of her salary to her family in Mexico. We are each in our own way thankful to the other for helping us put food on our family’s table.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Be aware. You’ll hire one of those and will end up as Rubashkin, chas vesholom. They will make you rot in prison for talking with intent to hire tax-free, for hiring tx-free, for intending to employ illegal, for actual employment, and this will be multiplied by number of times you got the help.

    Williamsburg lady
    Williamsburg lady
    14 years ago

    I can’t understand how a family can hire a polish lady especially an elder one, knowing that they had a big hand and helping the Nazis kill Million of jews in Poland, who know if this lady might be one of them… (The only satisfaction I have from this is that they see with there own eyes the rebuilt of the Jewish people that they help kill!!!)

    Eli
    Eli
    14 years ago

    Read between the lines. This is a smear campaign by the NY Slimes.
    The publicity of hiring illegals is nothing to be proud of.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I get the article. I don’t understand the reason for mentioning the “tight jeans” that setence could have been left out.

    s
    s
    14 years ago

    Send some to Borough Park, they’ll get work.
    The Mexican women that have helped me always put their children before their job. As a mother I can appreciate that.

    UBET
    UBET
    14 years ago

    To all the ladies who stand by the Marcy Ave train station the weeks after Purim, to grab the Polish cleaning ladies as they come down the stairs to go to clean their weekly houses, and promise them MORE MONEY…. It’s geneivah! The families who hire them, wait for them to show up and they don’t because someone “bribed” them! It’s unfair!

    Zindel
    Zindel
    14 years ago

    I use a profesional cleaning Co. Fully licensed all workers are 100% legal, I pay the Co. $17 per hour. I was sure the workers get at least $10 plus full benefits till the cleaning lady confided in me that she gets $8 per hour and ZERO benefits….

    If that’s the case I might’ve just takken one of those workers standing at the corner pay them $11 per hour, treat her nice and I might’ve saved a few bucks…

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    how about we treat them nicely rather than badly.
    we should treat all human beings nicely and never have to need from anyone.

    mm
    mm
    14 years ago

    they should spread out to south brooklyn, im sure theyll get a job

    make a kiddush hashem
    make a kiddush hashem
    14 years ago

    To all you wonderful balbastahs,

    Making a kiddush hashem is a tremendous mitzvah. This is such an easy way to do this mitzvah. They are human and they are helping you out in your beautiful yiddishe home. Please make sure you talk to them with respect and dont forget to give them a drink and something to eat!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Why do they feel that minimum wage is not enough? They are not doing a job that requires special skills, They get treated nicely, nobody expects them to do heavy lifting or dangerous work…. Most stores and offices pay $10 an hour, and their workers are doing jobs that require skills.

    desperate for help
    desperate for help
    14 years ago

    I’m going to drive from Crown Heights, hire a new cleaning lady & if she’s good, I’ll have her come to me regularly. I am very good to mine, but I won’t take a Pole, they steal. Generalizing? No, experience. I give mine coffee when they walk through the door, lunch & coffee/snacks & I don’t expect them to clean a whole house in 4 hours. I can get a good one a full week’s work round here! My friends are just as desperate.

    That’s for printing this, VIN…I’ll be there next week!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I wonder how many of the people hiring these women are paying full school tuition. School first and clean the house yourself.

    frater
    frater
    14 years ago

    Says who? It is estimated that about 200,000 Germans and Austrian were involved in the Holocaust. Some advanced the number of non-Germans involved was comparable, but that would have been split between all the other nations involved. And in such a list there would probably be many more Ukrainians than Poles.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The Germans were the brains behind the Holocaust, with the Poles and Ukrainians the cheap labor who enjoyed killing Jews.
    There was a reason most of the concentration camps were built in Poland.

    brooklyn mom
    brooklyn mom
    14 years ago

    A number of years ago there was a big brew haha over hiring Polish women to work in the homes and taking care of the kids. Many were caught taking little children to church with them or feeding them treife food. Some Gedolim said that it was improper to hire any Polish women to work in the home as they had tried to destroy too many Yiddishe neshamos.How many times have they been caught stealing valuables from the homes of unsuspecting employers In Poland they tried to kill us physically. My parents are from Poland and my mother always says they were horrible to the Jews–no better than the nazis Y”S. I do not hire any Polish women to clean for me–I will take a Hispanic lady any day and I only use them. I trust them much much more than any Polish women. So as far as I’m concerned they can stay out in the cold and wait for work

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    of course , you have to treat any worker with decency and kindness. on the other hand, let us remember that these people are here illegally, do not pay taxes! the money you pay does not get taxed as yours does! so that $10 per hour is more like 13 or 14 to a legal citizen paying taxes. I pay $10 cash but really that is too much!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    send them to boro park were desperate and we’ll treat them nicer than the williamsberg ladys treat them

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    They are all hard working people. Stop this nonsense with Polish , Spanish. They all love us as much as we love them . We all by cars, products made in Poland. If you need them, hire them, and if not, let them all GEIN IN DER ADAMA.

    Just comparing
    Just comparing
    14 years ago

    How much does a Wal-Mart employee get paid? Minimum wage, on the books. Most of them have second and third jobs because they cant make ends meet.
    On a different note….How much does a heimishe business pay its workers? I know that cashiers get $10 on the books. Maybe kehillas should implement a chaseedishe living wage? The minimum wage is just that- minimumm wage for the unskilled and/or illegals.
    Life is not fair, and thats a fact.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    what’s the need to trash each other.. if we need cleaning help, then we need it.. just hire wisely and try your best to get references. I hired from Permay Agency, worked out well, b”H.

    willi
    willi
    14 years ago

    whatch out ! my friend got her earing torn off by one of them. She callied shomrom and then police. They caught her on Broadway with jewelry worth of thousands of dollars from yiddishe housed in Williamsburg. This is no joke. Lock your valuables.

    frater
    frater
    14 years ago

    The policeman analogy is not correct. We do not pay policemen more because we want to be nice to them but because we need them. Their wage reflects their qualifications and their use to society. It’s a market wage. Thus their status is irrelevant because their living wage is not the primary concern or criteria. What we care as a public is whether the amount of money our policemen are offered is sufficient to attract candidates that will do a good job. When the answer is “yes”, and the positions are filled, the wages are fixed at this level. Whether they are “living wage” or not is a collateral. They may be for most people, but not for all. Now, you propose changing the rules. Imagine I need somebody to bag my groceries. I make an offer of 5$ an hour and find a suitable candidate. You believe the government should tell me to pay him $10 because he should have a “living wage”. Well, that begs a question, a living wage according to whom? Note, I’m not advocating abolishing minimum wage, I just don’t believe it should be fixed too high, at some arbitrary “living wage” level.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    My wife had back surgery and I clean our house now. If you buy a light vacuum and a cloth wood floor mop you can clean a home in two hours at the most. Do it twice a week and it is not too messy. Save your money Ladies. It is no big deal.

    frater
    frater
    14 years ago

    What I wrote would work for a cashier as well. But if you’re talking about morality rather than government policy, then yes, it’s a different kind of discussion. I work in a company where workers get decent wages, good benefits and big bonuses when business is doing well. And it’s mostly because the owner is nice because he could get away with less (BTW, he is Jewish). But keep in mind the cleaning persons in the article are not really instrumental to somebody else’s profits. They perform a service that makes their employers’ lives easier, but the employers are not really making a profit out of it. So it boils down to individual circumstances. If the employers were wealthy and still tried to push wages down as much as they could, it would be off-putting. But if they are trying to meet ends themselves, and they find a person willing to work for them for as little as they can offer, it’s a deal between “consenting adults”.

    clean all by myself
    clean all by myself
    14 years ago

    Why should one woman suffer because another one was bad? Just because 65 years ago evil Polish peasants did horrible things to our ancestors does not mean we have to be cruel to women who want to earn a few dollars by working hard for you. Another problem is the lack of tznius with the way these women dress.How can you let them in your home? In K J or New Square they would not even tolerate modern-type decent clothes,and here there are frum people who will. let women that dress like zonahs into their homes? .