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Baltimore, MD - State Stepping in on Shabbas Elevator Squabble

Published on: February 1, 2010 01:51 PM
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Baltimore, MD - The Maryland Commission on Human Relations last week served an order to the board of directors at Strathmore Tower in Upper Park Heights to refrain from removing programming features for the condominium building’s Sabbath elevator until the completion of an investigation, according to residents there.

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The order was issued after the board, which was elected in late 2009, voted Jan. 19 to remove the software and hardware of the Shabbat elevator, according to residents Yosef Kaner and Paula Weinstein.

The elevator, which was retrofitted last year to accommodate Sabbath-observant residents, has been a major source of contention for the past three years at Strathmore Tower, particularly between Orthodox residents and some of their elderly African-American neighbors.

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 02:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Here we go again - Yiddin making friends all over

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 02:27 PM anonymous Says:

The State should and hopefully will be able to enforce a non-discrimination decision.
Two persons are involved 1 Afro=American and the other Jewish. The cause for obstructing is the Jew probably dislikes religious observant Jews and so does the other party . These two individuals are the condomnium committee.

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 04:38 PM Meir Says:

They could have a "temporarily disable Shabbos restrictions" button that the residents of the building who are not observant Yidden could press.

It would temporarily disable the stop at every floor until it reached the floor of the button pressed after pressing the "disabling" button.

Seems like an easy solution for everyone

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 05:28 PM moot point Says:

i thought the latest psak said 'shabbes elevators' are usser anyways?

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 06:24 PM Mootar Point Says:

Reply to #4  
moot point Says:

i thought the latest psak said 'shabbes elevators' are usser anyways?

Yesterday it was muttar, today it is osser, tomorrow it will be muttar again. Depends who you ask, what mood they are in, and how it is asked.

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:

I use the Shabbos elevator on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday and Mondays.

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 06:51 PM Anonymous Says:

If only us Jewish people would join together and once and for all USE THE STAIRS some more, we would be a little healthier! We are for the most part, fat, lazy and totally not health conscious. Pizza, falafel, chulent, kugel, lukshen, kishke, galle, etc. Its terrible that we huff and puff trying to walk up even one lousy flight of stairs! C'omon meinna teyere Yiddishe Breeder - get off your lazy behind and you have all week to practice on the StairClimber in the gym. By Shabbos you won't even think of using an elevator!

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 07:33 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Mootar Point Says:

Yesterday it was muttar, today it is osser, tomorrow it will be muttar again. Depends who you ask, what mood they are in, and how it is asked.

If you have arthritis in your knees or a hip replacement or other disabilities you talk differently

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 08:18 PM Shmuel Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

If only us Jewish people would join together and once and for all USE THE STAIRS some more, we would be a little healthier! We are for the most part, fat, lazy and totally not health conscious. Pizza, falafel, chulent, kugel, lukshen, kishke, galle, etc. Its terrible that we huff and puff trying to walk up even one lousy flight of stairs! C'omon meinna teyere Yiddishe Breeder - get off your lazy behind and you have all week to practice on the StairClimber in the gym. By Shabbos you won't even think of using an elevator!

This is a highrise building populated mostly by old people. Next time, before you make a north end of a south bound horse out of yourself... no, forget that, it wouldn't work in your case.

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 Feb 01, 2010 at 10:23 PM bmos Says:

to #4 and #5 they reversed the psak that said it was ossur and said it was muter.

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 Feb 02, 2010 at 03:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
moot point Says:

i thought the latest psak said 'shabbes elevators' are usser anyways?

Each person asks his or her own Rav. If I ask MY rav, and he says it's mutar, then it's mutar for ME. The Rebbeim who say it's assur are saying that for the communities that follow those particular Rebbeim. They are not my Rebbeim, and they don't know me. I am NOT bound by the p'sak of a rav that I don't follow.

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 Feb 02, 2010 at 07:35 AM Asher Buchwalter Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

If only us Jewish people would join together and once and for all USE THE STAIRS some more, we would be a little healthier! We are for the most part, fat, lazy and totally not health conscious. Pizza, falafel, chulent, kugel, lukshen, kishke, galle, etc. Its terrible that we huff and puff trying to walk up even one lousy flight of stairs! C'omon meinna teyere Yiddishe Breeder - get off your lazy behind and you have all week to practice on the StairClimber in the gym. By Shabbos you won't even think of using an elevator!

I love your ingnorant remark. None of these items you mention I like but from the age of 15 to the age 19 I was in concentration camp almost, starved had hunger edema which you never heard . I am my normal weight for my height and have arthritis in one knee and a torn rotator. Instead of opening a big mouth and giving all that nonsensical advice, think if you have gray matter. I don't live there but people moved in because it is within a radius of a place they can daven without driving. Have you ever heard of such thing. Since you know all these foods you must a general fresser.
The situation has nothing with all that you mention and sitting in Flatbush or Boro Park of wherever you are. Instead of using your gluteus muscle use your brain and give a cogent succint advice

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 Feb 02, 2010 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
anonymous Says:

If you have arthritis in your knees or a hip replacement or other disabilities you talk differently

If it is so against your religion to use ANYTHING manmade, then why all the fuss about trying to cheat your way around your own RULES?

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 Feb 02, 2010 at 04:29 PM The Says:

I have read the article 4 times now and it only just makes sense to me - all of the previous comments dont really address the article and probably did not understand it - like I didnt the first 3 times.
It seems to me that previous Jewish board installed the shabbos elevator but now the recent new board - presumably the unhappy "elderly African-American residents" have decided to take it out. Now the Jewish residents - Yosef Kaner and Paula Weinstein.

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 Feb 02, 2010 at 04:52 PM The Says:

Reply to #14  
The Says:

I have read the article 4 times now and it only just makes sense to me - all of the previous comments dont really address the article and probably did not understand it - like I didnt the first 3 times.
It seems to me that previous Jewish board installed the shabbos elevator but now the recent new board - presumably the unhappy "elderly African-American residents" have decided to take it out. Now the Jewish residents - Yosef Kaner and Paula Weinstein.

...now the Jewish residents have gone to Maryland Commission to complain of discrimination (or something) to stop the non Jews (25% of residents) from taking out the shabbos elevator.
Sad to say though, that only 6 of the buildings residents are Shomre Shabbos - so its probably anti-frum attitude in there too.

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 Feb 02, 2010 at 06:45 PM Shmuel Says:

This building is a well known issue here in Baltimore. Not really anti-frum, at least not mainly, just your run-of-the-mill racial hatred. By pure coincidence, I suspect, this argument reignited when the blacks managed to elect one or two more of theirs to the board. Look, they already spent $50K (that’s $1000 per apartment!), on legal fees to fight a non-existent increase in the cost of operating the single Shabbos elevator, and are poised to spend much more. They don’t much like any white people, but most of their venom seems to be reserved for us. Just tune in to any one of the numerous black radio stations in Baltimore, you will get an idea. Most blacks here are just deplorable, even worse than in Lakewood. The ones in Philadelphia seemed more or less ok when I lived there.

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