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New York - Rabbi Dr. Bernard Lander – An Accomplished Life

Published on: February 9, 2010 07:26 AM
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Rabbi Dr. Bernard Lander, the founder and president of Touro CollegeRabbi Dr. Bernard Lander, the founder and president of Touro College

New York - Rabbi Dr. Bernard Lander, [Dov Berish] the founder and president of Touro College  and Lander College, was a brilliant man of vision and compassion who trail-blazed new paths in education for both Bnei Torah as well as gentiles.  He passed away at the age of 94 on Monday evening, February 8th in his home in Queens, N.Y

Rabbi Dr. Lander attended Yeshiva University in the 1930’s and received his Smicha in 1937.  He was heavily influenced by Rabbi Dr. Samuel Belkin, who was at home both in secular studies and in the Torah world.  Dr. Belkin had been a student at Radin, the Yeshiva of the saintly Chofetz Chaim.  The young Rabbi Lander shared Dr. Belkin’s enthusiasm for Philo as well his penchant for achievement in both Torah and secular studies. Soon the newly minted Rabbi took his first shteller in a small shul in Baltimore, Maryland.  While still in New York he had begun pursuing a doctorate in sociology at Columbia University.

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His concern was always with helping others, whether it was helping Yeshiva boys find a means to making parnassah without shterring their learning, or whether it was in helping juvenile delinquents.  The concern was reflected in his Columbia dissertation.  The topic dealt with how the courts and police deal with juvenile delinquents.

Pharoah noticed Yoseph HaTzaddik’s wisdom and appointed him to high office.  Rabbi lander did not slip by the radar either.  The governor of Maryland noticed the Rav of the small congregation and tapped him to assist the state of Maryland in formulating its juvenile delinquent program.

Dr. Bernard Lander, founder and president of Touro College, meeting with former President George W. Bush in the Oval Office during a visit of Jewish leaders from the community of higher education to the White House on December 18th. 2006Dr. Bernard Lander, founder and president of Touro College, meeting with former President George W. Bush in the Oval Office during a visit of Jewish leaders from the community of higher education to the White House on December 18th. 2006

Rabbi Lander soon returned to New York and was tapped by Mayor La Guardia to serve on a Civil Rights commission.  He helped to get Jackie Robinson to play major league baseball.  And the rest is history.  The forties was a time where there were quotas that capped the amount of Jews that colleges took in.  Rabbi Lander fought hard.  Slowly, he and his colleagues on the commission caused people to rethink basic notions of freedom and the value of education.  Doors began to open in the world of education. 

He vigorously pursued academic positions too.  Rabbi Dr. Lander taught sociology at Hunter College and served as dean of Yeshiva University’s graduate schools.  From 1961 to 1969, Rabbi Dr. Lander researched poverty at Notre Dame, a Catholic University. 

It was a period of time when there were some great expectation regarding Catholic Jewish relations.  All eyes were looking at Heschel and others that were involved in the discussion with the church.  Rabbi Lander was soon faced with a difficult quandary that he soon posed to the Gadol HaDor, Moreinu HaRav Moshe Feinstein, zatzal (See Igros Moshe YD Vol. III #43).  It seems that Rabbi Lander had promised to attend a gathering on March the 5th, 1967 where Catholics, and Protestants would assemble with members of the Synagogue Council of America.  Was it permissible to engage in dialogue with the church, or other Christian clergymen?  This was right after the changes of Vatican Council II, and the official about face by the Catholic Church on anti-semitism and that all Jews are destined to burn in Gehenam.  Rav Moshe responded negatively.  It was a Psak that shook the modern orthodox world, and Rabbi Dr. Bernie Lander was at the center of the storm.  In deference to Rav Moshe’s Psak, Rabbi Lander pulled out.

Soon Rabbi Dr. Lander was to launch his own college.  In 1970, Touro College began with a freshman class of 35 students.  Dr. Lander was a sharp businessman.  Today, Touro has over 23,000 students in all its branches across the country and throughout the world.  In less than a decade he built up his college substantially. 

In the 1980’s he launched a college program for Yeshiva students that would provide them with an opportunity to earn a Bachelor’s degree in record time.  It was called the Flatbush Evening Program for Men.  They rented space in the Shulamith School at the corner of Avenue M and 14th Avenue.  A separate program for women also opened.  The Roshei Yeshiva, most of them, at any rate, liked the idea.  Many of their students were attending Brooklyn College, and they did not like the scene.  Here was an opportunity for these Yeshiva students to earn a degree in less than five semesters in the same gender environment with religious Jewish teachers. 

Not everyone agreed, however.  Two Roshei Yeshiva were livid and tried closing him down.  Dr. Lander was courteous but firm. 
The program was so successful that eventually Touro erected its own building in the heart of Flatbush, a few blocks away from the old location.  Touro now has campus locations in New York, California, Florida, and Nevada.  There are also branches in Europe and Russia, and in Eretz Yisroel.
He also started a law school, a medical school, and a Yeshiva which is headed by his son Rabbi Doniel Lander. Clearly, he was a man of astounding capabilities and accomplishments.  The empire he built was started from scratch and on a shoestring budget, no less.  The Levaya will take place at Yeshiva Ohr Chaim, his son’s Yeshiva, on Tuesday Morning at 11:00 AM.

The audio of the funeral service can be accessed by dialing the toll free number: 888-265-4641; International: 404-665-9136; Conference code: 4093565165 followed by the # key.



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 Feb 09, 2010 at 07:39 AM Monsey Man Says:

Dr. Lander endured a lot of harsh criticism over many years from detractors who did not have "answers" to the issues he addressed through his actions. Many people who are Shomer Torah U'Mitzvos owe their parnasa to this man. My Rav, Avigdor Miller, once said that even the grocery man who sells food to a frum person is mekayaim "nosain lechem lchol basar." Al achas kama v'kama Dr. Lander; zecher tzadik livracha.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 07:55 AM Anonymous Says:

He has a tremendous zechus in helping provide thousands of jews with the means of a parnassa through a kosher environment. My wife and I went to Touro and we BH have good careers. Additionally, the night program allowed me to stay longer in Yeshiva then I otherwise would have. May all the well deserved zechusim be with him.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 08:21 AM Former Student Says:

Baruch Dayan HaEmes.

Thank you Dr. Lander for Touro College. I would not be where I am today without your farsighted vision.

Thank you again.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 08:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Dr lander made it possible for thousands of young men and women to earn a degree in a frum atmosphere enabling them to have a parnassah bederech kavod not needing to rely on food stamps, klal yisroel will forever be indebted to him

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 08:34 AM Anonymous Says:

there are 2 yeshvos. ohr hachaim AND beis medrash ltalmud of lander college for men both in queens

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 08:51 AM Yated loves Leno Says:

Prediction: Even though overall the Yated will overall have a nice lengthy article on Rabbi Dr Lander, they will not be able to help themselves and will stick in a carefully hidden and disguised underhanded taunt about college somewhere in the article.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 08:54 AM Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 08:56 AM TheProf Says:

BDE. Rabbi Dr. Lander was a truly great man. A man of vision and heart. And the main sign of how great he was lay in his unbelievable anivus, and I’m sure he knew who he was and what his kochas hanefesh were. I worked for him as a professor at Touro for many many productive years. Chaval al d’avdin vlo mishtakchin.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:11 AM Hershy S. CPA Says:

BDE. As a proud alumnus of Touro Flatbush ('95) I wish to extend my condolences to the Lander family. It would have been inconceivable for Chasidishe yungeleit, such as myself, to get a quality education and professional licensing without Dr. Lander's vision and service to the Klal. We owe him a great debt of gratitude. May his memory be blessed.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

what's wrong with college?

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

Nichshel with what? Because of touro I have a bachlers and hopefully a masters.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:18 AM TouroProf1 Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

I agree wholeheartedly. Rabbi Dr. Lander was loi oleinu machshil thousands of yidden with the possibility of making parnoso bereivech and bekovod. These poor yiddishe kinder could have been working under slave labor conditions packing boxes in some warehouse instead of working in decent surroundings. This is the legacy of Rabbi Lander ztzl. How many chasidishe yungeleit owe their CPAs to Rabbi Lander and Touro College? Ask them if they would rather work in their comfortable workplace and have a shiur midday or in some steaming or freezing warehouse packing boxes.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

Yes. There is nothing like severe poverty to keep frume yidden down!

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:27 AM .. Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

Right. And I think we should also ban all doctors and lawyers because they went to college.

Then you can start banning the business owners who went to college. Start with Alle Processing - Meal mart. Then go to International Glatt, then 999. Unfortunately, all went to college.

You can be happy that Rubashkin never went to college. Unfortunately, his business showed it.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:27 AM chaim Says:

#7, u are so foolish! I bet u are on food stamps and medicaid! People need to make a parnassa and why not a frum place??

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:40 AM Question Says:

Reply to #1  
Monsey Man Says:

Dr. Lander endured a lot of harsh criticism over many years from detractors who did not have "answers" to the issues he addressed through his actions. Many people who are Shomer Torah U'Mitzvos owe their parnasa to this man. My Rav, Avigdor Miller, once said that even the grocery man who sells food to a frum person is mekayaim "nosain lechem lchol basar." Al achas kama v'kama Dr. Lander; zecher tzadik livracha.

Is the " Al achas kama v'kama" your pshat or Rav Miller's? (Seems to be yours.)

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:42 AM Anonymous Says:

to #7;

Shtok et hapeh shelicha.
The man created mkomos torah, and even though you think secular education is a nichshol and others think Touro is a second rate school, statistics show you need a degree to succeed (exceptions are available). he arranged for our youth to get that degree with the least harm to their yiddishkeit. yehi zichro boruch....and I went to YU!

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:43 AM Monsey Man Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

Of course. Deceitfully obtaining public assistance is certainly a much holier derech.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

Touro started it's original Flatbush night program in 1976, in the Sephardic Institute on Ave R. Many of the original students are supporting their childrens learning. Furthermore, receiving Welfare, Section 8, Medicaid & Food Stamps in order to sit & learn is not Hishtadlus nor is it Mesirus Nefesh.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 09:59 AM Judah Lerer Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

Rabbi Nachum Sauer was my rebbe at Touro College Manhattan campus in the 1970's. His shiur on chovos halevavos changed my life.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:00 AM yossie Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

i am not going to see what i really want to because it wont get published
firstly are you out of your freakin mind?????
what do you do for a living besides blog!!!
you use the word "nichshul"
what yeshiva did you waste your time in
where does it say that you are not allowed to learn a parnassa
rabbi lander set up a system where bnei torah can learn a parn assa and not have to sit with girls etc he saved us from being "nichshul"

i went to touro i am a practicing cpa i owee it to rabbi lander

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:06 AM Finman Says:

Baruch Dayan Emes. Rabbi Dr Lander has tremendous zchusim for creating a makom for bnei torah to learn a profession to provide parnassah for their families bkavod, while enabling them to stay in yeshiva uninterrupted to learn all day every day. I kept 2 sdorim daily for years in yeshiva while attending Touro at night and baruch hashem learned for 9 years knowing confidently that I would have parnassah when I ventured out into the world. Today, we owe tremendous gratitude to Rabbi Dr Lander for the opportunity he gave us to be amul btorah bparnassah brevach! He will be dearly missed and will be a melitz yosher for klal yisroel.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:10 AM lesson Says:

he was a talmid of the late great rabbi dr samuel belkin and served as dean at yu for 10 years before he first started touro at the age of 55. that is the biggest lesson. where are all of us in our careers at the age of 55? he built a lifetime empire from 55-94. wow.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

You should be ashamed of yourself. I wonder by the way how many professionals have you or people in your family benefited from that went to touro or Machon Liparnasa? Over the last ten- fifteen years one can honestly say that 50% of the frum workers on the east coast have gone to touro or gotten degrees from seminary which were inspired by a touro model. What about all the women supporting their husbands they all went to touro or similar programs. Hopefully you will repent for your bizayon Hames and ignorance.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:22 AM Finman Says:

Rabbi Dr Lander was a tremendous mensh who was genuinely concerned about the klal... I once called Dr lander to speak about some important issues- issues i felt were important anyay- not only did he speak with me right away but he arranged a meeting for us to speak in person... he treated me with respect and kavod giving of his time and ultimately working everything out. He will be a melitz yosher for klal yisroel

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

Nichshel with what? Because of touro I have a bachlers and hopefully a masters.

And yet you do not know, how to spell...

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

You should be ashamed of yourself. I wonder by the way how many professionals have you or people in your family benefited from that went to touro or Machon Liparnasa? Over the last ten- fifteen years one can honestly say that 50% of the frum workers on the east coast have gone to touro or gotten degrees from seminary which were inspired by a touro model. What about all the women supporting their husbands they all went to touro or similar programs. Hopefully you will repent for your bizayon Hames and ignorance.

Lets not forget he spent the first part of his acreer studying and then working at yeshiva university - without which there would never have been a touro since he was going to take over YU before they had a falling out and he left to start his own empire!

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

You're talking about being nichshul.

How does that corelate to anyone learning a trade?

Would you blame scandals that have been in the news on people pursuing degrees, when the ones that were actrually involved in some very recent scandals do not have any degrees, although they were supposed to be "very choshuv"???

Seems to be, that you need a visit with someone, with a degree or two.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
yossie Says:

i am not going to see what i really want to because it wont get published
firstly are you out of your freakin mind?????
what do you do for a living besides blog!!!
you use the word "nichshul"
what yeshiva did you waste your time in
where does it say that you are not allowed to learn a parnassa
rabbi lander set up a system where bnei torah can learn a parn assa and not have to sit with girls etc he saved us from being "nichshul"

i went to touro i am a practicing cpa i owee it to rabbi lander

i went to the sy syms school of business at yeshivas rabbeinu yitzchok elchanan and i owe it all to chuck norris

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:37 AM Charlie Hall Says:

Baruch Dayan HaEmet. Rabbi Dr. Lander made a huge difference in the lives of many people and will be badly missed.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:40 AM webmom Says:

As a touro grad from one of the earlier graduating women's classes...I wish the Lander family "nechomoh besoch she'ar avayalay Yisroel". It is the end of an era.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:46 AM TouroProf Says:

Ahhh poor comment #7. Everybody is hitting on your for your moronic words. But who are these hitters? Poor tormented yidden who were nichshol in the corrupt atmosphere of Touro, learning an honest made of living instead of sponging off the public with Food Stamps etc, or lying and stealing because they have no choice. At best if they are honest people, packing boxes or cashiering somewhere. But hold strong #7, the Yated Neemon will surely come to your defense. Long live Food stamps and Section 8, down with an honest living as a respected CPA or corporate controller.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:47 AM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

what's wrong with college?

Actually, there are many issues regarding college that might make it unsuitable for many. For hundreds of years, college social environments have had a lot of temptations that many are not able to resist. And persons who aren't well grounded in both Torah philosophies and in the ability to defend Torah positions against sceptics may find themselves tempted to adopt anti-Torah positions even while not knowing it. I recently heard Rabbi Dr. Tzvi Hersh Weinreb speak eloquently on these issues.

That said, the list of great rabbis with university educations is very long. Rambam is considered to be an alumnus of Al Karaouine University in Fez, Morocco. Sforno received a degree from the University of Rome. Hundreds of Jews including some important rabbis graduated from the University of Padua before 1700. And more recently the list has gotten longer: Rav Hirsch, Rav Hildesheimer, Rav Hertzog, Rov Soloveitchik, and many, many others. I've found it interesting that all these figures had extensive Torah education before pursuing university studies. Rabbi Dr. Lander deserves a tremendous thanks for making university education available to thousands of Jews in a frum environment.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:49 AM Who do you think you are? Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

There are obvious reasons that the Gedolim are who they are, and obvious reasons why you are not one of them! Consult your Rav and do as he says, but don't go preaching to others!

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:51 AM Jothar Says:

Even the Agudah has a parnassah training program. Why is his treif? Going to Touro and getting a good career because of it makes more of a kiddush hashem than being caught lying to the government to get government assistance.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

there are 2 yeshvos. ohr hachaim AND beis medrash ltalmud of lander college for men both in queens

Nobody remember us at beis medrash ltalmud esp. those that didn't particpate in Lander College

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:19 AM frum but normal Says:

to all you people answering commentator #7,
why are you bothering? this criminaly insane idiot does not deserve
any response,you do not argue with idiots,because by arguing with idiocy
you legitimize it.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

I went to LCM and I don't bash people, it seems yor rabbeim were nichashal not Rabbi B Lander.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:36 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Jothar Says:

Even the Agudah has a parnassah training program. Why is his treif? Going to Touro and getting a good career because of it makes more of a kiddush hashem than being caught lying to the government to get government assistance.

its all because of the great YU. YU and Touro are the only kosher colleges that let people leanr torah and get degrees. all other colleges are chazeer treif, including bklyn

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

Smart Anonymous telling ALL GEDOLIM what to sign!
If the listen to you, they are not even Cheider Yinglach!

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:43 AM Touro fan Says:

#7's opinion, as noxious as it is, reflects the opinion of R. Elya Svei, zt"l as well. As a result, it will indeed be interesting to analyze the tortured phrasing in the half-hearted hesped for Dr. Lander coming up in this week's Yated. The many deserved accolades for Dr. Lander (see, for example, Rabbi Adlerstein's hesped in the most recent Cross-Currents) in a sense illustrates schizophrenia in the RW community.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
chaim Says:

#7, u are so foolish! I bet u are on food stamps and medicaid! People need to make a parnassa and why not a frum place??

i went to touro but still don't have much parnassah - anyway Bernie was a big tzaddik - we loved him very much and were always in awe of him when he visited the school

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:54 AM Chaim Says:

#7 Have you no shame? Kavod hameis? Even if you differ from him is now the time to post such things?

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:57 AM d. lichtenstein Says:

Rabbi Lander was physically a small man, but had the courage of a lion. He started Touro from nothing and had battles all along the way, financial struggles, wars with anti semites who were opposed to a jewish law school, struggles with Rabbonim and others opposed to education. Notwithstanding all the struggles he had, he never had an unkind word to say about anybody, and would treat the simplest person with the greatest respect.
He ran Touro with frugal honesty. He worked endless hours and notwithstanding his feeble health, he flew coach when he was well into his 90s. When asked why he hadn't retired he replied "I have looked through all Talmud Bavli, Yerushalmi, Midrash and Shulchan Aruch and I found no reference to retirement!"
Unlike many other mosdos, Touro is a true non profit with an independent board of directors. Dr lander set up Touro so that it is NOT owned by his family. He did his work as he believed himself to be a servant to Hashem, not for kavod or money.
He frequently said "my mission in life is to bring honest honorable parnossoh to Yiddishe Kinder"
He goes to olam hames with a simple message;
asisi shlichusi (I have fulfilled your command)

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:59 AM Yitzchak Kolakowski - proud musmach from lander college Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

do you know how many gedolim gave brachos to Landers College and Ohr HaChayim? Many roshei yeshivah and rebbes from all kreizen have visited and given brachos to these heilige mosdos. Rabbi Dr. Lander was very adamant that even the college teaching should not only be kosher, but only with tachlis. There is no time wasted on liberal arts in Landers - the vast majority of liberal arts courses are taken up in learning gemara. All the majors are only for tachlis of parnassah, and all course material in Landers have to be approved by the Roshei Yeshivah, much different than YU, where any kefirah can be taught in the college and the only place where torah has some miklat is in the beis midrash. I remember Dr. Lander always made point that at Landers the way was Torah U'Parnassah and not Torah U'Mada like YU. He said that secular learning is only valuable for Parnassah, and that Torah has to be the ikar. B"H that there is such a opportunity to go to college al hataharas hakodesh - this is one of the many great gifts Hashem has given us in this land of Opportunity here in America and this is one of the many great gifts Hashem gave us by giving us this Tzaddik in this dor - TNTzB"H

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 12:00 PM graduate Says:

Burich Dayan ha'emes
Thanks Rav Dov for your holy work.
May it be zchus for you & your family.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 12:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Yes, food stamps are better than college right?

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 12:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

lol
I can only imagine that you wrote this to see how many comments you can elicit. I cannot believe everyone is taking you seriously. Job well done.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 12:42 PM YW CPA Says:

BDE Dr. Lander was a great man and respected Tzadikim. I was once in his private office and it came out of the shmooze that I am a descendant of the Shinever rov, he showed big respect and told me "mein mama was by the Shinever Tzadik". Also at my graduation ceremony Dean Schmidt escorted me on stage to him and showed that we have now a yingerman with lange payos graduating he showed a lot of joy and respect. He told me once in private that he would do anything he could to help the Chasidim get higher education.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 01:19 PM Pashuteh Yid Says:

Not only did Rabbi Lander provide parnasa to his students who could go on to earn a living, but also to the many employees who work there. In difficult situations, he would give a job to people at Touro so they wouldn't be left without income.

As far as the differences between Touro and YU, they are both necessary. They have different aims. Touro is very skill-oriented, so they teach things that have fixed sets of procedures and don't require much liberal arts background or independent research. However, YU is a more traditional type of university where knowledge is taught for the sake of knowledge. This means being exposed to all kinds of ideas and being forced to grant academic freedom for people to advance their views. It also means that research is paramount and importance is placed on searching for new knowledge that nobody has discovered yet. It doesn't mean that one sanctions kefira, but it means one must learn to counter it within the academic system. Simply calling somebody's views rubbish does not go far in countering kefira in the academic world. However, writing a paper that can be published, citing all relevant sources and disproving the kefira does work.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 01:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

What did he accomplish are you crazy Rabbi Lander Z"TL was a great man who made a place for frum men and women in the brooklyn to go and not be in a class with goyim are you stupid or something ? do you have a normal job or are you on all the government programs?. Rabbi Lander was a good man a mench and will surely be missed may he be a melitz yosher for klal yisroel.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 01:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

How many people are nebech nichshul in not providing for their families and resorting to geneiveshe shtick to put food on the table!! Thank you Dr Lander for all your work for klal yisroel. yehai zichrecha boruch

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 01:45 PM Ridiculous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

Let's clarify something here. The issues with college are classes and campus life that are inappropriate for Torah Jews. The purpose of Touro/Landers is to provide Bnei Torah/Bnos Yisrael with a parnassah in an environment that helps promote growth in Torah and Yiras Shamayim instead of the opposite. Why have the gedolim not come out against it? Because they aren't against it! It's wonderful! Yehi Zichro Boruch - he was an amazing man!

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 01:59 PM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

its all because of the great YU. YU and Touro are the only kosher colleges that let people leanr torah and get degrees. all other colleges are chazeer treif, including bklyn

You should add to your list Bar-Ilan, in Israel. It was started and continues to be run by religious Jews.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 01:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

Looks like you are taking quite a verbal beating #7!

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 02:02 PM Anonymous Says:

BDE, Dr. Lander will be be missed by not only his family but by the thousands of young men & women who have had the opportunity to become professionals and Bnei Torah at the same time. Dr. Lander had the wsidom to put in place the old adagage give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. I truly hope that among the many Shomer Torah Mitzavah graduates there are those who will continute Dr. Landers noble undertaking and see that Furm young people are taught to "fish" for themselves and their families. as well as continue as Torah Scholars. Thank you Dr. Lander and may your memory and deeds be a Blessing for your family and Klal Yisroel.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 02:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to # 49 . You are a Mensch . You are a credit to Am Yisroel ..

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 02:05 PM Anonymous Says:

BDE Dr. Lander is an example what Jewish values should be about. Education, education, and education. Jews excelled for 3000 years only through constantly adapting, educating their children, and learning new skills to succeed in life.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 02:27 PM A Student Says:

יהא זכרו ברוך
Thanks to Rabbi Lander, I am on my way for a bachelors, attending a heimishe college in a 100% kosher environment.
If only our rabbonim and admorim had a fraction of Rabbi Lander's vision and pragmatism...

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 02:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
Ridiculous Says:

Let's clarify something here. The issues with college are classes and campus life that are inappropriate for Torah Jews. The purpose of Touro/Landers is to provide Bnei Torah/Bnos Yisrael with a parnassah in an environment that helps promote growth in Torah and Yiras Shamayim instead of the opposite. Why have the gedolim not come out against it? Because they aren't against it! It's wonderful! Yehi Zichro Boruch - he was an amazing man!

then whats wrong with all the commuter colleges? is touro like a frummish devry and apex tech?

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 02:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish are you crazy Rabbi Lander Z"TL was a great man who made a place for frum men and women in the brooklyn to go and not be in a class with goyim are you stupid or something ? do you have a normal job or are you on all the government programs?. Rabbi Lander was a good man a mench and will surely be missed may he be a melitz yosher for klal yisroel.

whats wrong with being in a class with goyim? the goyim can read this site too so thanks for breeding new anti semites and chilul hashem

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 02:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Yitzchak Kolakowski - proud musmach from lander college Says:

do you know how many gedolim gave brachos to Landers College and Ohr HaChayim? Many roshei yeshivah and rebbes from all kreizen have visited and given brachos to these heilige mosdos. Rabbi Dr. Lander was very adamant that even the college teaching should not only be kosher, but only with tachlis. There is no time wasted on liberal arts in Landers - the vast majority of liberal arts courses are taken up in learning gemara. All the majors are only for tachlis of parnassah, and all course material in Landers have to be approved by the Roshei Yeshivah, much different than YU, where any kefirah can be taught in the college and the only place where torah has some miklat is in the beis midrash. I remember Dr. Lander always made point that at Landers the way was Torah U'Parnassah and not Torah U'Mada like YU. He said that secular learning is only valuable for Parnassah, and that Torah has to be the ikar. B"H that there is such a opportunity to go to college al hataharas hakodesh - this is one of the many great gifts Hashem has given us in this land of Opportunity here in America and this is one of the many great gifts Hashem gave us by giving us this Tzaddik in this dor - TNTzB"H

the funny think is that lander was built on yu - yu professors, yu roshei yeshiva and yu students. (rabbi parness and rabbi bronspiegle were poached from yu. dr ross zucker, drk danishefsky and a host of others as well)

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 02:52 PM DizzyIzzy Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

And yet you do not know, how to spell...

And your punctuation is nothing to write home about.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 03:29 PM DAATH YACHID Says:

Dr. Lander Z'L was a remarkable person. From 1958-1991 I served as Director of Residence and Mashgiach for Touro Manhattan. Several times Dr. Lander spoke to me as a boss, mentor, rebbe and parent all at the same time.
Dr. Lander's dedication to Touro's success was truly borne out of a desire to offer opportunity to many populations often ignored by higher education.
This is not to mention his efforts within the community and for Harbatzit Torah and to further Kiddush Hashem throughout the USA, Eretz Yisrael and the world.
May Dr, Lander be a melitz yosher for all who benefited from his vision
T'yeh Zircho Baruch

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 03:31 PM Pashuteh Yid Says:

To quote Derek Bok, former president of Harvard University:

“If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.”

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 03:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Touro is a non-profit institution. To imply that Dr. Lander Z"L was enriching himself from Touro is simply untrue and not nice, to say the least. I'm sure you know exactly how much he made (or lost?) from each campus and program therein. And your implication that he was some opportunist who took advantage of people's "desperate need for education" is pretty low and disgusting, in my opinion. People who desired a parnassa would have anyways gone to college, only at (YU or) CUNY.

Despite your "bina yeseira", you somehow missed the bina haikaris, common sense, and the facts. Touro has both academic and need-based scholarship programs of their own, in addition to students being eligible for PELL and/or TAP grants for those eligible. So, for someone with demonstrable financial need and/or academic merit, a Touro graduate *could* end up having paid LESS than a CUNY student for a kosher education in a gender-segregated environment and with a very low class size compared to most colleges. Touro has expenses.

As well, public school is also far cheaper than Yeshivos. Following your "logic", parents should also be upset at yeshivos for charging tuition since public schools do it for "free".

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 03:46 PM Anonymous Says:

He was a man of great vision even when others could not see.
We are in deep gratitude to Dr. Lander for bringing the world to our young people in a Torah setting.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 03:55 PM HF CPA Says:

Dr. Lander Z"L provided me with a chance at a melocho kaleh unekia without the pitfalls of campus life and it appears that he did the same for you.

You owe him a debt of gratitude!

In my case and in the case of most newly married low income yungeleit. The Pell and Tap grants were all they got or took as tuition. Yes they charged about $425 @ credit but they gave us a "Touro Scholarship" that covered the balance as long as we maintained a C+ average.

I graduated in the early nineties. My accounting degree was billed at $55,000 but thanks to Dr Lander, it cost me and many like me out of pocket less than $1000.
If he bacame a multi millionaire as well, Good for him!!!!

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 04:04 PM knowitall Says:

This whole college argument is a bunch of nonsense and is being foisted by those that were either brainwashed against it or too lazy to study to be something. The fact is that thousands of Bnei Torah today and the mosdos they support and/or pay tuition to, can thank college, be it Touro, Lander, YU, Brooklyn, Queens or any other, for their ability to have become talmidei chachomim, kovea ittim and bring up a new generation of frum yidden.

The fact is that the college educated guys are more often than not far more serious and, dare I say, advanced, in their learning than the non college guys who were not really cut out to learn full time. The proof is right in front of you. How can you possibly deny something that is so obvious. Look at all the doctors, lawyers, accountants, computer experts, teachers and etc. that are Bnei Torah. So, forget about these silly arguments. If you find ignorance to be bliss and that working in a pizza shop or being a slumlord is emotionally rewarding and intellectually satisfying -good for you. Otherwise, go to college.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 04:17 PM Anonymous Says:

"Most Gedolei Yisroel were fire against college - and today we can clearly see how right the Gedolim were"

We don't "clearly see how right they were" please explain.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 04:37 PM PMO Says:

Rav Lander was one in a million. His passion to help yidden live honest lives filled with Torah and still have the skills to support a family comfortably showed in everything he did. His level of success is unmatched. H" sent him here to ensure that we had the tools necessary in our community to continue on when so many were choosing lives of ignorance and public assistance through deception.

I never understood how anyone can say "better to cheat the government and take from your neighbors than get an education".

Rav Lander taught us all (whether we went to Touro or not) how to live respectable, honest lives in the modern world of THIS generation when so many others thought is impossible. He is a TRUE hero.

BDE

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 04:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Baurich Dayan Emes! I have always been amazed how a man like Rabbi Dr Lander could accomplish so much in life. He is an inspiration to me that at the age of 55 you can still accomplish so much and help so many people. His great Nashamah should be a Mailitz Yosher to all of us.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 05:03 PM Yitzchak Kolakowski - proud musmach from lander college Says:

Reply to #62  
Anonymous Says:

the funny think is that lander was built on yu - yu professors, yu roshei yeshiva and yu students. (rabbi parness and rabbi bronspiegle were poached from yu. dr ross zucker, drk danishefsky and a host of others as well)

there is a reason why they left - not were poached - there is a need for both mosdos, but there is a reason why some choose Landers

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 05:04 PM yeshivish Says:

he also started 2 mesivtas. 1 in monsey called mesivta yesodei yisroel &mesivta; yesodei yeshurun in queens.he was the biggest mensch i have ever met.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 05:36 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #44  
d. lichtenstein Says:

Rabbi Lander was physically a small man, but had the courage of a lion. He started Touro from nothing and had battles all along the way, financial struggles, wars with anti semites who were opposed to a jewish law school, struggles with Rabbonim and others opposed to education. Notwithstanding all the struggles he had, he never had an unkind word to say about anybody, and would treat the simplest person with the greatest respect.
He ran Touro with frugal honesty. He worked endless hours and notwithstanding his feeble health, he flew coach when he was well into his 90s. When asked why he hadn't retired he replied "I have looked through all Talmud Bavli, Yerushalmi, Midrash and Shulchan Aruch and I found no reference to retirement!"
Unlike many other mosdos, Touro is a true non profit with an independent board of directors. Dr lander set up Touro so that it is NOT owned by his family. He did his work as he believed himself to be a servant to Hashem, not for kavod or money.
He frequently said "my mission in life is to bring honest honorable parnossoh to Yiddishe Kinder"
He goes to olam hames with a simple message;
asisi shlichusi (I have fulfilled your command)

well said
dr lander was a holy man

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 05:37 PM yossie Says:

your name that you use shows that you are some yeshiveshe guy just parroting what you have heard or thought to have heard
the only thing we now see was that the people (gedolim) who were against it were dead wrong
can you imagine another few thousand in lakewood or other places doing nothing just waiting for the rich shver instead of actually learning a trade such as the taanaim and ammoroim in the gemara that these guys supposedly learn or day but obviously has not penetrated tgeir heads

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 05:49 PM Robert Says:

poster number 64 sounds like a misreable 'farbissaner" who is unhappy with his life..
nobody forced any touro students to attend touro..
they could go to brooklyn or harvard or wherever they choose for either more or less tuition. dr lander gave many religious jews an option they otherwise would not have.. despite what number 64 alludes, dr lander did not make millions off of the school.
people like 64 are dangerous because they cover their words with flowery vernacular.. in my opinion number 64 is spewing lashon harah.
he is different from number 7 who is either mentally feeble (most likely) or took a stupid pill this morning.. number 7 is easy to spot and refute..
number 64 is sadly dangerous and needs to be exposed.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 06:40 PM David Reiter Says:

Baruch Dayan Emes

I was a student at Touro during the late 70's and early 80's, and am saddened by this news.

There is one very important piece of information this article left out: Dr. Lander zt"l was a truly nice person. As a student during the early years, I had many occasions to interact with him personally. While it has been thirty years since I dealt with him, I still carry his picture in my mind. Despite how busy he was, I remember his warmth and his smile. The encounters with him may have been quick and superficial (a nod in the hallway, a ride in the dilapidated elevator), but, whatever else was going on in my life, these moments left me feeling better about myself.

For this, I will always have a special place in my heart for Dr. Lander zt"l.

I will leave writing about his greatness to others, as I am certainly not one qualified to judge. But his accomplishments are clearly obvious to all. (Even the negative comments from his detractors are a testament to his contribution to K'lal Israel -- if they didn't feel so threatened, they would not have written as they did.)

But, on a personal level, I can say that Dr. Lander zt"l has enriched my life.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 07:32 PM Anonymous Says:

FYI. The correct wordingis : Boruch Dayan Hu Emet. BDE is incorrect .

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 07:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

whats wrong with being in a class with goyim? the goyim can read this site too so thanks for breeding new anti semites and chilul hashem

ויתערבו בגויים וילמדו מעשיהם. When there's no choice it's one thing, but whenever we can we ought to be עם לבדד ישכון

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 07:45 PM Defending #64 Says:

Reply to #78  
Robert Says:

poster number 64 sounds like a misreable 'farbissaner" who is unhappy with his life..
nobody forced any touro students to attend touro..
they could go to brooklyn or harvard or wherever they choose for either more or less tuition. dr lander gave many religious jews an option they otherwise would not have.. despite what number 64 alludes, dr lander did not make millions off of the school.
people like 64 are dangerous because they cover their words with flowery vernacular.. in my opinion number 64 is spewing lashon harah.
he is different from number 7 who is either mentally feeble (most likely) or took a stupid pill this morning.. number 7 is easy to spot and refute..
number 64 is sadly dangerous and needs to be exposed.

It takes a "farbissiner" to know one! Although I would agree with you that this might have not been the most ideal forum for #64 to express his views - I truly believe that he has some good points... In your misery you preverted, manipulated and distorted his beneign statements to make him look like the devil himself. I believe you owe #64 an apology, and you owe your psychotherapist a visit to get a refill for your anti-depressant medication.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 07:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Charlie Hall Says:

Actually, there are many issues regarding college that might make it unsuitable for many. For hundreds of years, college social environments have had a lot of temptations that many are not able to resist. And persons who aren't well grounded in both Torah philosophies and in the ability to defend Torah positions against sceptics may find themselves tempted to adopt anti-Torah positions even while not knowing it. I recently heard Rabbi Dr. Tzvi Hersh Weinreb speak eloquently on these issues.

That said, the list of great rabbis with university educations is very long. Rambam is considered to be an alumnus of Al Karaouine University in Fez, Morocco. Sforno received a degree from the University of Rome. Hundreds of Jews including some important rabbis graduated from the University of Padua before 1700. And more recently the list has gotten longer: Rav Hirsch, Rav Hildesheimer, Rav Hertzog, Rov Soloveitchik, and many, many others. I've found it interesting that all these figures had extensive Torah education before pursuing university studies. Rabbi Dr. Lander deserves a tremendous thanks for making university education available to thousands of Jews in a frum environment.

you forgot Rav Hutner, zt"l, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, zt"l, and yblc"t the Novominsker Rebbe, shlit"a, also went to secular colleges

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 08:09 PM Anonymous Says:

A Student Says:  יהא זכרו ברוך
Thanks to Rabbi Lander, I am on my way for a bachelors, attending a heimishe college in a 100% kosher environment.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 08:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

you obviously dont know what the alternative is.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

What did he accomplish that frum people going to college? How many yiddin are nebech nichshul in this I think now is the time for all gedolim to come together & sign a kol koreh even though for every other issue they can't agree, but on college they should agree and ban it completely

you're right. every jew should be dependent on the goverment to feed and clothe him and his family!! if you are too lazy to go out and work say so. either that or your a bench warmer. don't go telling others who are pulling their weight to support their family and yours how to live.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:25 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #82  
Defending #64 Says:

It takes a "farbissiner" to know one! Although I would agree with you that this might have not been the most ideal forum for #64 to express his views - I truly believe that he has some good points... In your misery you preverted, manipulated and distorted his beneign statements to make him look like the devil himself. I believe you owe #64 an apology, and you owe your psychotherapist a visit to get a refill for your anti-depressant medication.

well it seems you at least agree with me that number 64 is a "farbissiner" so we have common ground there.
i will not apologize to number 64 as he implied dr lander plundered millions from the school (without technically saying so that is why it is lashon harah in my opinion) "in order to become fabulously wealthy"

i bless God as i am quite happy and not miserable... i certainly do not take any psychotropic medication ( nor do i smoke, drink nor ever did an illegal drug).
as for psychotherapy as you said it takes one to know one.. perhaps you have mental issues too...
i personally have never been to a shrink and actually dont think very much of the profession in general although there are a few good ones and occassionally they may do some good.
finally i dont think the late dr lander sold students a high priced set of goods that could be better purchased at brooklyn college as number 64 states.. the touro students made rational and reasonable educational choices and they all need to be respected.. i certainly respect them .. number 64 does not it seems to me and
that is why i believe his post is more dangerous than number 7.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 10:32 PM BinahYeseireh Says:

TO VIN EDITORS : I am the writer of #64 above. I regret that my comments were taken out of context by some of the commentators. I did not have the malice they claim I did. Nevertheless, after re-reading my own comments, I sincerely regret the implications and tone of my comments and now realize that #82 is indeed correct that this was not the forum for me to make my point about the nifter, whom I am truly in awe of his vast and noble accomplishments. I respectfully ask you to either publish this apology or better yet, for the sake of Kavod Hanifter, please delete comment #64 and all related messages. Thank you for understanding.

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 Feb 09, 2010 at 11:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
Defending #64 Says:

It takes a "farbissiner" to know one! Although I would agree with you that this might have not been the most ideal forum for #64 to express his views - I truly believe that he has some good points... In your misery you preverted, manipulated and distorted his beneign statements to make him look like the devil himself. I believe you owe #64 an apology, and you owe your psychotherapist a visit to get a refill for your anti-depressant medication.

It doesn't matter if you think 64 made some good points. He is factually wrong, as are you. As a non for profit institution, the salaries of the chief officers of Touro are accessible. I personally know how much Dr. Lander was making, as I read it in Touro's own papers. The amount was a joke compared to those in comparable positions in other institutions, who accomplished half as much. He also owns NONE of the real estate/ buildings under Touro as well, since it is a non for profit with a board of directors, not a privately owned corp. No one owes 64 or you any apology- GO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

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 Feb 10, 2010 at 12:33 AM Gavriel Yarmish Says:

I went to Touro and thank Rabbi Dr. Lander. In addition to being a relative I have met and spoken to him personally and can say that he was involved in work for the Tzibur - not for himself.

He provided Jewish students, such as myself, the opportunity to get an education and parnassah while learning. He was strong on Jewish issues in public life, had no airs about himself and is someone for us all to learn from and emulate.

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 Feb 10, 2010 at 01:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #83  
Anonymous Says:

you forgot Rav Hutner, zt"l, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, zt"l, and yblc"t the Novominsker Rebbe, shlit"a, also went to secular colleges

"Also Rav Svei and Rav Gifter !"

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 Feb 10, 2010 at 08:58 AM Robert Says:

Reply to #88  
BinahYeseireh Says:

TO VIN EDITORS : I am the writer of #64 above. I regret that my comments were taken out of context by some of the commentators. I did not have the malice they claim I did. Nevertheless, after re-reading my own comments, I sincerely regret the implications and tone of my comments and now realize that #82 is indeed correct that this was not the forum for me to make my point about the nifter, whom I am truly in awe of his vast and noble accomplishments. I respectfully ask you to either publish this apology or better yet, for the sake of Kavod Hanifter, please delete comment #64 and all related messages. Thank you for understanding.

you are a mensch

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 Feb 10, 2010 at 11:20 AM BinahYeseireh Says:

Reply to #92  
Robert Says:

you are a mensch

Robert - when you are right - you are right! I am first to admit... This is a lesson in Lashon Hora about the power of words...
(PS - on a lighter note, I would be happy to share my pills with you, should you ever run out :)

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 Feb 10, 2010 at 03:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

"Also Rav Svei and Rav Gifter !"

Where did Rav Svei go to college? I know Rav Gifter was a YU boy, but never imagined Rav Svei had a degree. Why was he against Touro if he himself was a college grad?

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 Feb 10, 2010 at 03:24 PM Hamokom Yenachem Says:

Any idea where nichum aveilim will be?

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

whats wrong with being in a class with goyim? the goyim can read this site too so thanks for breeding new anti semites and chilul hashem

you have to chill you think that that comment will breed new anti semitism you are crazy i am in college with goyim and they dont waste their time on any jewish sites GET A LIFE

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #95  
Hamokom Yenachem Says:

Any idea where nichum aveilim will be?

Yes. Here's the info:
Shiva will be observed until Monday morning at the Lander home, 110-35 69th Road, Forest Hills, NY 11375.
Tel: 718 263 9277

Shacharis daily at 7:45 a.m.
Mincha at 2 p.m.
Maariv at 7 p.m.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 09:13 AM Anonymous Says:

#7, you're very funny. what are you doing

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