“ "Health officials said shots are not completely effective". Completely effective?

I know several cases first hand where people had all their shots, double dose etc and still came down with the stuff in a nasty way.

The shots are not: not completely effective, they don't seem to be effective, period. Can we have some answers from the CDC? Why are the shots not protecting those who are exposed? Is this a different strain? Are the shots worthless? We need some answers now, not just numbers... ”

“ Maybe this will alert to the heimeshe community that personal hygiene and cleanliness is important along with following public health guidelines. Perhaps the ebeshter is sending a subtle message that yiddin should STOP trying to evade all the rules that are established to protect public health and safety. The level of care in most yiddeshe schools and mosdos to personal hygiene is non-existant. ”

“ Immunization is around 70% effective.

If everyone is immunized, however, the chances of being exposed to the disease drop drastically. This is "herd immunity".

When people don't immunize (which means you have no protection against the disease), the chances of exposure to the disease go up, and then the occurence goes up even amongst the immunized. And then of course more can be exposed, and so on.

This is why failure to immunize is such a significant issue. ”

“ Well, ONLY your community has an outbrake, so the MILLIONS of other people in NYC's vaccinations were COMPLETELY effective. For some reason YOURS were not.....did you not go to a licensed doctor? It is odd it is only in one group, no? ”

“ This does not concern me our grandparents and our parents have gotten mumps for decades !! hashem gave us an immune system for this exact reason !! so need to panic these kids will recover fine. ”

“ Especially with mumps. This actually PROVES that vaccinations work. ”

“ well smarthead, the doctors in our community are what? can you explain? are you from the dark ages? the black plaque was because of the jews?
the reason why mumps is spread so quickly is because this community is a very close knit community, eating, drinking, shaking hands, etc. Hundreds and hundreds of Orthodox jews meet every day to pray, use the facitlites, share celebrations together eat in the same resteraunts and so on. You only need on case of mumps and there you go. ”

“ 1, Please, as the parent of an autistic child I am waiting for all the self appointed mavens (most with no science background) to scream about the crazies that supposedly avoid the MMR. I tried to avoid the High School Nurse wanting an MMR for my daughter till the school showed me that she had it on time years ago and confirmed with the MD. The paper work to refuse is not easy.
2, Perhaps this is a hygiene issue or something like Mikve. I understand most cases are kids that had the MMR as protocol and did not get lifelong immunity. The strain is supposedly not a new strain. ”

“ Maybe this will alert to the heimeshe community that personal hygiene and cleanliness is important along with following public health guidelines. Perhaps the ebeshter is sending a subtle message that yiddin should STOP trying to evade all the rules that are established to protect public health and safety. The level of care in most yiddeshe schools and mosdos to personal hygiene is non-existant. ”

“ Maybe this will alert to the heimeshe community that personal hygiene and cleanliness is important along with following public health guidelines. Perhaps the ebeshter is sending a subtle message that yiddin should STOP trying to evade all the rules that are established to protect public health and safety. The level of care in most yiddeshe schools and mosdos to personal hygiene is non-existant. ”

“ And it has spread to Israel. Why is this problem only in the frum world?? ”

“ Maybe this will alert to the heimeshe community that personal hygiene and cleanliness is important along with following public health guidelines. Perhaps the ebeshter is sending a subtle message that yiddin should STOP trying to evade all the rules that are established to protect public health and safety. The level of care in most yiddeshe schools and mosdos to personal hygiene is non-existant. ”

“ you know that the MMR-Autism study has been completely and utterly debunked, right? I am sorry for all you must go through with your autistic child, but what is the point of your post? to arouse sympathy or something? ”

“ Please explain this (Dave et al):
How does a child who is not vaccinated pose a threat to a child who did get vaccinated?
If you say it is only 70% effective, so then - aren't those 30% of children for whom it was not "effective" now also a threat to the other children for whom it's supposed to be effective? Or, are you saying that the unvaccinated child is a threat to the 30% that it wasn't effective for? Now, let's say we ELIMINATE that unvaccinated child from the picture.... (maybe the child moved away, OR, say parents decided to immunize child) does it change the picture at all?
Are the 30% children (for whom the vaccine wasn't effective) now out of "danger"? Or are they basically in the SAME EXACT situation as before, minus that one additional "may catch the disease" club member?
Point is (unless you can enlighten me) that vaccines are NOT a foolproof method for being protected against diseases. It works for some, doesn't work for others. It carries risks, both to take it and not to take it. But don't quote the "herd immunity" thing - when it don't make no sense - that the unvaccinated is a risk to the vaccinated. They alone carry their own risk and add no danger to others. ”

“ Actually, the study was withdrawn. It was not debunked. In science today there are many tainted studies, the top decision maker on vaccines today got huge royalties from his personal vaccine development for rotavirus, then decides if vaccines are usefull.
I still personally believe most vaccines are necesary but should be given at a different schedule, possibly one at a time rather than 3 in one.
I appreciate your courtesy of feeling sorry etc, it is noted and appreciated.
My point is to head off the normal outcry blaming all autistic parents for any contageous illness epidemic, claiming we are fear mongers. ”

“ Actually, the study was withdrawn. It was not debunked. In science today there are many tainted studies, the top decision maker on vaccines today got huge royalties from his personal vaccine development for rotavirus, then decides if vaccines are usefull.
I still personally believe most vaccines are necesary but should be given at a different schedule, possibly one at a time rather than 3 in one.
I appreciate your courtesy of feeling sorry etc, it is noted and appreciated.
My point is to head off the normal outcry blaming all autistic parents for any contageous illness epidemic, claiming we are fear mongers. ”

“ well smarthead, the doctors in our community are what? can you explain? are you from the dark ages? the black plaque was because of the jews?
the reason why mumps is spread so quickly is because this community is a very close knit community, eating, drinking, shaking hands, etc. Hundreds and hundreds of Orthodox jews meet every day to pray, use the facitlites, share celebrations together eat in the same resteraunts and so on. You only need on case of mumps and there you go. ”

“ You're being a little disingenuous. The editors of the Lancet withdrew it from their journal because of gross ethical violations, failure of the author to disclose a financial stake in the results, faked data and out-and-out fraud. Because of his greed and dishonesty other (ethical, scientific) studies have been done thoroughly demolishing the fraudulent link between vaccination and autism spectrum disorders. ”

“ Immunization is around 70% effective.

If everyone is immunized, however, the chances of being exposed to the disease drop drastically. This is "herd immunity".

When people don't immunize (which means you have no protection against the disease), the chances of exposure to the disease go up, and then the occurence goes up even amongst the immunized. And then of course more can be exposed, and so on.

This is why failure to immunize is such a significant issue. ”