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Golden Flow is taking kosher milk to a whole new level to guarantee always freshness, newly designed bottleGolden Flow is taking kosher milk to a whole new level to guarantee always freshness, newly designed bottle

Brooklyn, NY - Consumers have long complained that cholov yisroel milk is plagued by spoilage.  While many times the problem can be attributed to improper handling once the milk leaves the truck, both in stores and in people’s homes, Golden Flow Dairy has tackled the problem head on with an announcement that they have added an extra step to their milk production keeps milk fresh until the expiration date stamped on the carton.
David Weinberger, Vice President of Sales and Marketing at Golden Flow Dairy, explained to VIN News that the company is scrupulous in its milk handling, which is refrigerated from the moment it is received until it leaves the delivery truck. While pasteurization removes much of the spoilage causing bacteria, from milk, it cannot remove it completely.  According to Mr. Weinberger, the newly installed bacterial clarification equipment succesfully filters out 95% of bacteria prior to pasteurization.  While this process has been used successfully in Canada and England, Golden Flow claims that it is only the second company in the United States to employ this process and the first cholov yisroel company to do so.  Golden Flow asserts that milk that undergoes this process stays fresh five to six days longer than milk that does not undergo this extra step.

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Cyrus Schwartz, a senior executive at a large milk company employing this technology, told VIN News “unless milk is temperature abused, this milk will always meet its shelf life.” Schwartz explained that Golden Flow’s new milk, tested two days after the expiration date and kept five degrees warmer than the recommended temperature, still stayed fresh in almost 100% of the samples taken.  Schwartz’s advice to the general public?  “Don’t look for milk with the longest expiration date.  Look for milk that actually lasts as long as the expiration date.”
In an interview with VIN News, Weinberger stated “Golden Flow is taking kosher milk to a whole new level.”  Despite the additional cost of implementing this process, Golden Flow is not raising its prices.  The newly processed milk is already available in stores and can be easily recognized by the new label bearing the words “We Guarantee It”. 

It remains to be seen if this new process will indeed solve the problem that has plagued cholov yisroel milk for years.


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 Feb 11, 2010 at 04:45 PM KOSHER COW Says:

There is an old joke....
Q: Where is the best place to keep milk?
A: In the cow, for it never spoils there.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 04:48 PM GoldenFlowFan Says:

I used to travel to Tokyo twice a year for 2-3 weeks. I always took along Golden Flow milk, froze it, and thawed out as much as I needed. I once took a diffferent cholov yisroel brand and even though it was frozen, it spoiled after 2 days. Golden Flow never spoiled. Golden Flow usually can hold in a refrigerator at home for at least a week past its expiration date.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 04:52 PM Golden Flow Says:

Golden Flow by far is the best and longest lasting milk in the kosher market, no doubt

4

 Feb 11, 2010 at 04:54 PM Anonymous Says:

We have had the debate over "cholov yisroel" versus "cholov stam" a gazillion times already and no one will change their mind. For those that believe there really is a requirement to drink only cholov yisroel this will be a good development. For the 99 percent of frum yidden who drink regular milk it will be a reminder that they can use the money they save to be machmir in a more significant area of their lives or halevei, give the money to tzadakah so some poor yid can eat kosher.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 04:55 PM Anonymous Says:

The new label is a bit confusing. It resembles other brands too closely. Also, while it says that it was produced under rabbinical supervision, I could not find the words חלב ישראל anywhere on the label.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 05:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
GoldenFlowFan Says:

I used to travel to Tokyo twice a year for 2-3 weeks. I always took along Golden Flow milk, froze it, and thawed out as much as I needed. I once took a diffferent cholov yisroel brand and even though it was frozen, it spoiled after 2 days. Golden Flow never spoiled. Golden Flow usually can hold in a refrigerator at home for at least a week past its expiration date.

How can you keep milk frozen on a 14 hour air flight plus several hours at each end to and from the airport? You can get by with powered milk for a week or two in your coffee or drink it black. Anyone travelling with a gallon of "frozen milk" in his luggage today would be thrown off the airplane or held for observation.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 05:18 PM milk drinker Says:

Couldn't agree any more with comment #2,, Golden Flow will always last after the Date

8

 Feb 11, 2010 at 05:21 PM focus Says:

since this discussion has come up, can someone please explain why there's a different expiration date for NYC?
i assumed that the reason perhaps is because NYC doesn't require groceries to keep their refrigerators @ a low temperature therefore the milk spoiles faster. can anybody confirm this?

9

 Feb 11, 2010 at 05:23 PM mench Says:

golden flow has proven time & again to be the company you can trust. while many companies have come and gone in the past few years golden flow is still here and provides top quality products.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 05:27 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 05:29 PM Anonymous Says:

gloden flow milk is very good. stays long and tastes good. use it use none cholv yisroel milk but with golden flow being good and lasting the same amount of time . well why not use the cholv yisroel :)

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 05:47 PM Midwestern Guy Says:

Reply to #3  
Golden Flow Says:

Golden Flow by far is the best and longest lasting milk in the kosher market, no doubt

That might be the case, but the marketing people may want to take a look at the name itself. It doesn't conjure up the best image in my mind.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:08 PM Anonymous Says:

the cargo part of an airplane gets well below freezing over 12,000 feet

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

We have had the debate over "cholov yisroel" versus "cholov stam" a gazillion times already and no one will change their mind. For those that believe there really is a requirement to drink only cholov yisroel this will be a good development. For the 99 percent of frum yidden who drink regular milk it will be a reminder that they can use the money they save to be machmir in a more significant area of their lives or halevei, give the money to tzadakah so some poor yid can eat kosher.

I never tasted any non cholov yisroel (I happen to be makpid on kosher), but in kosher milk "Golden Flow" brand always lasted longer than the other brands.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

Shaul, your stam milk is too bitter.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

We have had the debate over "cholov yisroel" versus "cholov stam" a gazillion times already and no one will change their mind. For those that believe there really is a requirement to drink only cholov yisroel this will be a good development. For the 99 percent of frum yidden who drink regular milk it will be a reminder that they can use the money they save to be machmir in a more significant area of their lives or halevei, give the money to tzadakah so some poor yid can eat kosher.

supporting yidden by buying their products is also a good thing even if you dont drink cholov yisroel.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:13 PM Kosher lover Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

We have had the debate over "cholov yisroel" versus "cholov stam" a gazillion times already and no one will change their mind. For those that believe there really is a requirement to drink only cholov yisroel this will be a good development. For the 99 percent of frum yidden who drink regular milk it will be a reminder that they can use the money they save to be machmir in a more significant area of their lives or halevei, give the money to tzadakah so some poor yid can eat kosher.

Wrong!!! cholov akkum is ossur as it is, besides the fact that now the milk is also "treif" since the cows go through a surgery that makes it treifa. so today if you drink cholov "stam", you can eat a pork and cheese sandwich to it, and give the rest of the money for tzedaka..

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

We have had the debate over "cholov yisroel" versus "cholov stam" a gazillion times already and no one will change their mind. For those that believe there really is a requirement to drink only cholov yisroel this will be a good development. For the 99 percent of frum yidden who drink regular milk it will be a reminder that they can use the money they save to be machmir in a more significant area of their lives or halevei, give the money to tzadakah so some poor yid can eat kosher.

99 percent?
There would be a very, very small market for cholov yisrael if only one percent of a relatively small demographic consumed it. That is not the case, there are many companies all doing cholov yisrael to the tune of tens and thousands of bottles a day, so sorry, your wrong.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:34 PM Shua Cohen Says:

Reply to #3  
Golden Flow Says:

Golden Flow by far is the best and longest lasting milk in the kosher market, no doubt

Maybe Golden Flow is the "best and longest lasting milk in the kosher market" as you say (I don't happen to agree) but I also find that it is the most expensive. Will the price go even higher now? At the supermarket where I shop in Cedarhurst a 1/2 gallon of Golden Flow is $2.99. The newest cholov Yisrael competition is $2.19...and Tuscan is only $1.79. Sorry Golden Flow, but at a whopping 67% higher price than Tuscan you don't have my business. I simply can't afford your milk.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:37 PM rescue Says:

Reply to #3  
Golden Flow Says:

Golden Flow by far is the best and longest lasting milk in the kosher market, no doubt

Pride if the farm which is from Kreiders farms (the non cholov yisroel brand) last even longer. Kreider's claims they have a secret patented process which makes it last longer. maybe it's time a C"Y company that is not in competition with them make a deal to use their secret process

21

 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:55 PM Milchiger Says:

Any decent size processor has been using bacterial clarifivation equipment for years - what they use in Canada is called a "Microfilter" - I'm sorry to say but it's surprising Golden Flow has not been using bacteria clarification equipment all these years... Go figure

22

 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:57 PM Anonymous Says:

they system we use with deliveries from the grocery stores
is not used anywhere in the world.
The delivery order is stored in front of the store for at least 1 hour.
it then gets delivered around town for another 20-30 minutes.
then it sits at the door till the customer comes home
then it has to have rachamim to have the order be put away in the fridge.

Other people buy their milk in the supermarket, go home and put it in the refrigerator.
maximum time from the grocery refrigerator to the home refrigerator "1 HOUR"

so now you know the rest of the story...................

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 06:58 PM Anonymous Says:

I think Elmhurst milk or any "on sale" milk, not only cheaper but tastes better. Stop throwing your money away on Cholov Yisrael. Temptee cream cheese also tastes better. How much money can you guys throw away???????????

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:07 PM To 4# & 10# Says:

the heter of drinking non chulev yisroel is not good anymore. Because the heter is that because its illegal to take milk from a horse or pig, the company would for sure not use it ,therefore its kosher, but that's not the concern today, today there is problems with the cows itself, milk from a lot of cows are also not kosher because of different deceases the cows have or if they get certain shots etc. So before you drink that milk on a heter from 30 yrs ago, find out the latest.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:09 PM Anonymous Says:

I never understood the excuse that the spoliage is due to mishandling after the milk is delivered by ewitehr the store or the consumer. Cholov akum goes on trucks to and is als sold in stores and bought by people - but it does not spoil a week before the expiration date. I have always felt that there is something being hidden from us.

26

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:10 PM TokyoTraveller Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

How can you keep milk frozen on a 14 hour air flight plus several hours at each end to and from the airport? You can get by with powered milk for a week or two in your coffee or drink it black. Anyone travelling with a gallon of "frozen milk" in his luggage today would be thrown off the airplane or held for observation.

Not only was my milk still frozen when I arrived at my hotel, my frozen microwave meals were also still frozen. How? You freeze the food, you wrap it in your clothes, you cover all that with newspapers, and the coldness of the airplane's cargo section takes care of the rest. Did it for years, no problem. And your comment might be true today but it wasn't true in 1990.

27

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

We have had the debate over "cholov yisroel" versus "cholov stam" a gazillion times already and no one will change their mind. For those that believe there really is a requirement to drink only cholov yisroel this will be a good development. For the 99 percent of frum yidden who drink regular milk it will be a reminder that they can use the money they save to be machmir in a more significant area of their lives or halevei, give the money to tzadakah so some poor yid can eat kosher.

For your information
Reently there has been a question regarding cholov stam milk. The question arose from acertain procdure done on the cow which according to many poskim makes the animal atreifa making its milk treif mdaraissa. Now the ou is somech on apsak from R belsky who mantains that the procdure done does not make the animal a trifa. But since we are disscussing issues of daraissa not just vhunra I would think this would be a good plce to spend the extra money and (machmir of course you must always ask your local orthodox rabbi

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:21 PM AuthenticSatmar Says:

Cholov Stam milk is TREIF. In recent years there have been new surgical procedures administered to the cows, and many times in renders it TREIF.
YU, the leaders of MO judaism have stopped allowing chalav stam milk for that reason and have declared it treiff.

29

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:25 PM New Jersey Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

I never tasted any non cholov yisroel (I happen to be makpid on kosher), but in kosher milk "Golden Flow" brand always lasted longer than the other brands.

Yes; Golden Flow milk will last MUCH longer than other kosher brands

30

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Oy. GF is to be congratulated. But I still want to know why, in general, CY milk doesn't make it to its pull date. And why the rabbis have done nothing about this problem, which clearly rests with the companies. (Don't blame the little supermarkets -- I've purchased CY milk in Shop Rite and other chains, and it always went bad, while non-CY milk generally last BEYOND its pull date.)

31

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:31 PM Boro park Says:

Reply to #19  
Shua Cohen Says:

Maybe Golden Flow is the "best and longest lasting milk in the kosher market" as you say (I don't happen to agree) but I also find that it is the most expensive. Will the price go even higher now? At the supermarket where I shop in Cedarhurst a 1/2 gallon of Golden Flow is $2.99. The newest cholov Yisrael competition is $2.19...and Tuscan is only $1.79. Sorry Golden Flow, but at a whopping 67% higher price than Tuscan you don't have my business. I simply can't afford your milk.

Read the article,, the price will NOT go up,, and your store in Cedahurst is over charging you in B.P Golden Flow milk is being retailed $2.59 and I will pay extra $0.10 for my milk to last to the Date, have you ever shopped in B.P ? Or Flatbush ??

32

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:33 PM aitza tova Says:

Hey Golden flow I know your listening...Why cant you make cholov yisroel milk in a vaccum packed container like the "box drinks"??? The goyim seem to have worked this out....this would really enhance your sales too and people like mr Tokyo don't need to freeze and thaw.

33

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:34 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #17  
Kosher lover Says:

Wrong!!! cholov akkum is ossur as it is, besides the fact that now the milk is also "treif" since the cows go through a surgery that makes it treifa. so today if you drink cholov "stam", you can eat a pork and cheese sandwich to it, and give the rest of the money for tzedaka..

Such blanket statements are very foolish. Most poskim hold that cholov staam is fine, but that cholov yisroel is preferred if it is available. SOME poskim hold cholov staam should be avoided 100%. Just because poskim that you choose to abide by hold the latter, does not mean anyone else is eating "treif". The only thing "treif" around here is your ignorant comment.

34

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Shua Cohen Says:

Maybe Golden Flow is the "best and longest lasting milk in the kosher market" as you say (I don't happen to agree) but I also find that it is the most expensive. Will the price go even higher now? At the supermarket where I shop in Cedarhurst a 1/2 gallon of Golden Flow is $2.99. The newest cholov Yisrael competition is $2.19...and Tuscan is only $1.79. Sorry Golden Flow, but at a whopping 67% higher price than Tuscan you don't have my business. I simply can't afford your milk.

I agree with you 100 percent. When buying 7-8 bottles of milk a week for the family at 50 cents (or 75) less than the GF brand. That saves me $200+ a year.
The milk doesn't stay around long enough for it to spoil the wife and kids finish it way before that happens.
Also,
I have a sneaking suspicion that most of the positive feedback above are GF employed posters.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
rescue Says:

Pride if the farm which is from Kreiders farms (the non cholov yisroel brand) last even longer. Kreider's claims they have a secret patented process which makes it last longer. maybe it's time a C"Y company that is not in competition with them make a deal to use their secret process

Don't even try to compare any C.Y to Golden Flow, the 1 and ONLY company that does Milk 6 days a week,and nobody could deny it

36

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

but it's not guaranteed not to come from cholov treifa (i.e. an animal that has so many steroids pumped into it that it is terminally ill and therefore the milk is asur d'oraisa)

p.s. Rabbi Weingarten is innocent and you know it.

37

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:44 PM N.Y Says:

Reply to #21  
Milchiger Says:

Any decent size processor has been using bacterial clarifivation equipment for years - what they use in Canada is called a "Microfilter" - I'm sorry to say but it's surprising Golden Flow has not been using bacteria clarification equipment all these years... Go figure

This is not Microfilter, This is a NEW method, don't try to GOOGLE it, and this advance process is only like 10-20% of Canada milk. Golden Flow does the milk by a State of the art plant in Upstate NY, I know a mashgiach from that Company

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

is there any better than golden flow chocolate milk? the best!

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

How can you keep milk frozen on a 14 hour air flight plus several hours at each end to and from the airport? You can get by with powered milk for a week or two in your coffee or drink it black. Anyone travelling with a gallon of "frozen milk" in his luggage today would be thrown off the airplane or held for observation.

Because it is freezing cold in the baggage compartment unless it is being temperature controlled. There is no problem with liquids in checked luggage. Anyways if TSA was curious they would just open your luggage and take a look.

40

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

Oy. GF is to be congratulated. But I still want to know why, in general, CY milk doesn't make it to its pull date. And why the rabbis have done nothing about this problem, which clearly rests with the companies. (Don't blame the little supermarkets -- I've purchased CY milk in Shop Rite and other chains, and it always went bad, while non-CY milk generally last BEYOND its pull date.)

Try Golden Flow for 2 weeks and you will not have any problem at all, talking from experience

41

 Feb 11, 2010 at 07:53 PM Talmid Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

Reb Moshe ZT"L drank Golden Flow

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 09:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

All i could say is shame on you to just write without facts. As far as agreeing with Rav Moshe Z"L, i think he would not agree with you and would not want you to be one of his followers, something you claim but probably are not.
If you didn't buy yourself a plot you could join the former Mayor, also a non practicing Jew and keep each other company after 120!

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 08:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

[how do i make a thumbs up sign?]
agreed 100%
I will stick to Horizon, Tuscan, and Lactaid.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 08:14 PM chief doofis Says:

While Golden Flow is of a better quality than many other C.Y. milks, this guarantee is not new. Forty years ago, Walker Gordon was selling C.Y. milk with the same guarantee. "Guaranteed fresh regardless of date". That was good milk!

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 08:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
Talmid Says:

Reb Moshe ZT"L drank Golden Flow

Rav Moishe also drank many other brands of milk and his son-in-law, Rav Tendler, one of the biggest gadolim in the world today who is also a PhD. biologist has said there is no chiyuv to drink chalov yisroel if it is not readily available at an affordable price.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 08:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Wow
To many golden flow family members and employees posting here...
Fact is GF is at least 20% more than the other brands. In today’s economy that ads up to way to much money wasted in lining the balei batim of GF pockets.
Hatorah Chisu al mamonam shel yisroel

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 08:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

shaul gotta say you sound insecure and feel guilty about drinking cholov stam. Although I will eat m&m and drink cholov stam on the road i will respect anyone that refrains and only drinks cholov yisroel. Its always easier to to be meikel you think that they wouldnt want do eat or drink anywhere they go? Maybe the fact that he does not, deserves respect rather then ridicule. As far as those names you mention Im probably sure you are not the perfect person you think you are.By the way I have an employee who says the same thing about people that daven three times a day. See he says I dont daven but im not modrowitz Tropper etc.so if you daven you are a poster boy to him as well and to him your like tropper etc. think about it

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 08:36 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #17  
Kosher lover Says:

Wrong!!! cholov akkum is ossur as it is, besides the fact that now the milk is also "treif" since the cows go through a surgery that makes it treifa. so today if you drink cholov "stam", you can eat a pork and cheese sandwich to it, and give the rest of the money for tzedaka..

somehow i find it difficult to believe your words...
perhaps you have a valid source for your numerous claims..
as to your last statement i believe you can only eat pork sndwiches if it is a matter of pikuach nefesh..

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 09:22 PM Shea Says:

I do not understand one thing. Why does Cholov Yisroel have a spoilage problem and Cholov Stam does not?

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 09:39 PM tzvi Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

Because it is freezing cold in the baggage compartment unless it is being temperature controlled. There is no problem with liquids in checked luggage. Anyways if TSA was curious they would just open your luggage and take a look.

I have d same story when I fly to china & my food doesn't get spoild including "GF milk"

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 09:43 PM Gregaaron Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

but it's not guaranteed not to come from cholov treifa (i.e. an animal that has so many steroids pumped into it that it is terminally ill and therefore the milk is asur d'oraisa)

p.s. Rabbi Weingarten is innocent and you know it.

Chazal told us what issues make an animal a treifa - even if nowadays it is scientifically and medically possible for such an animal to live for years, since Chazal said it's a treifa, it's still assur. That works both ways, however. If a certain issue did not exist back then - such as steroids - and Chazal did not assur it, it is not our place to make up new ones.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 09:46 PM Yid loves a yid Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

So basically you are makpid to drink the milk that Eliott Spitzer and Michael Jackson were drinking.. How about Bill Clinton?
BTW, be assured that Dwek choose the same milk you're drinking..

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 09:46 PM Gregaaron Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

Whoa Shaul, chill - I eat and enjoy cholov stam just as much as you do, but it's not fair to knock those who are makpid on Cholov Yisroel. They're not trying to force it on us, so who cares? As an aside, by the way, I highly doubt R' Moshe's mehaleich would involve ripping people that are makpid on Cholov Yisroel - which, in all honesty, is preferred - so let's try and keep this relatively civil. On that note, please pass the M&Ms; back when you are done with them.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 09:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

I agree with you 100 percent. When buying 7-8 bottles of milk a week for the family at 50 cents (or 75) less than the GF brand. That saves me $200+ a year.
The milk doesn't stay around long enough for it to spoil the wife and kids finish it way before that happens.
Also,
I have a sneaking suspicion that most of the positive feedback above are GF employed posters.

And I have a sneaking suspicion that all the negative posts are coming from Pride of the Farm & other non cholov yisrael companies!

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 09:57 PM cholov yisroel and proud Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

it isn't about being afraid of the milk coming from horses or pigs. we all know the american dairy industry is standardized. cholov yisroel is a spiritual issue, and it always has been, just like the rest of kashrus. as for you selectively choosing certain people as the "poster boys" who drink cholov yisroel, may i remind you that reb moshe feinstein himself only ate/drank cholov yisroel. his mehalech was for women and children who lived in yehupitzville, who couldn't get cholov yisroel and needed dairy for health reasons. it was never, ever, (ever!) for m and m's. but hey, if it makes you feel better, you just keep on eating them. just stop bashing erliche yidden who are striving to be mehader in kashrus.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 09:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Fresh n healthy milk now comes from a large plant with stringent quality control who also uses the filtering method. Their milk will appear on store shelves only if bacterialevels were tested. It has lasted me past the due date so far, and is extremely good tasting milk. I'm thrilled there's competition, to keep prices in check!! Try this brand and you wont be disappointed

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 10:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Read#22. I frequent about five groceries on a regular basis. Most of them do not unpack the milk as soon as it arrives but let the crates sit near the fridge.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 10:10 PM To 4# & 10# Says:

the heter of drinking non chulev yisroel is not good anymore. Because the heter is that because its illegal to take milk from a horse or pig, the company would for sure not use it ,therefore its kosher, but that's not the concern today, today there is problems with the cows itself, milk from a lot of cows are also not kosher because of different deceases the cows have or if they get certain shots etc. So before you drink that milk on a heter from 30 yrs ago, find out the latest.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 10:14 PM Elki Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

I never understood the excuse that the spoliage is due to mishandling after the milk is delivered by ewitehr the store or the consumer. Cholov akum goes on trucks to and is als sold in stores and bought by people - but it does not spoil a week before the expiration date. I have always felt that there is something being hidden from us.

I'm not pointing fingers, but it is possible that at the small kosher grocery stores, the milk sits around in crates until someone gets a chance to refrigerate it. I've seen that. Regular milk at a supermarket has a much quicker turnover and a special person works only with dairy products. The kosher stores that are larger and resemble supermarkets usually have no problem because they too have a much faster turnover.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 10:17 PM LA Lakers Says:

Pride of the Farm rocks

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 10:19 PM T. from Brooklyn Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

How can you keep milk frozen on a 14 hour air flight plus several hours at each end to and from the airport? You can get by with powered milk for a week or two in your coffee or drink it black. Anyone travelling with a gallon of "frozen milk" in his luggage today would be thrown off the airplane or held for observation.

As a frequent traveler with young children, I always take food along and my trusty crock pot. I freeze several packages of chicken and double wrap each in silver foil along with a few frozen packs of cold cuts and place the double wrapped American cheese( which is never available in kosher) together. All the food stays fresh and cold, even with a 4-6 hour flight! I use one or two suitcases just for food related items. We have traveled to FLorida, Arizona, and Puerto Rico from NY this way and my family always had a hot, fresh and kosher supper every night. So freezing milk and traveling with it is not such an unusual idea. Regarding the suitcases, we have never been stopped since the flights were national and all food and liquids were wrapped and packed neatly in the suitcases. This is not such a big deal.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 10:22 PM MilkMaven Says:

Rabboisei, let's face it, milk is milk. Chalav Yisroel is great and Chalav Stam nowadays is Chazir Treif. Ask any Posek (that has a drop of Yiras Shamayim). In Kriyas Shma we say "Ubechol meOdecha" with all your money... So my Holy Brothers, pay a little extra for Hashem and his torah. In addition, regarding tastes of milk "Al Taam vRayach ain leHisvakayach" but in my humble opinion, the best tasting milk - by far- is MACHMIRIM!!! It is so tasty and delicious that it gets consumed by the family so quickly - that it never even gets close to the expiration date! Taste Machmirim once, and I promise you will be hooked!! Also, I love R' Yossie Spitzer - the man that made the Machmirim dream a reality!!

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 10:26 PM Anonymous Says:

as far as i know pride of farm is lasting the longest! just ask any store that sales both of them

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM quality Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

Wow
To many golden flow family members and employees posting here...
Fact is GF is at least 20% more than the other brands. In today’s economy that ads up to way to much money wasted in lining the balei batim of GF pockets.
Hatorah Chisu al mamonam shel yisroel

Same way I will only buy Kedem Grape Juice because quality and Kashrus even if it"s a little more expensive, The same way I will ONLY buy Golden Flow

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:19 PM Pride of the Farm Says:

I only use only Pride of the Farm here in Lakewood, although my store carries other cholov Yisroel brands too. It happens to last at least two weeks, and it is also cheaper. I pay $2.25 for 1/2 gal or $1.25 for a qt. at NPGS, or $2.49 in Shoprite.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
Elki Says:

I'm not pointing fingers, but it is possible that at the small kosher grocery stores, the milk sits around in crates until someone gets a chance to refrigerate it. I've seen that. Regular milk at a supermarket has a much quicker turnover and a special person works only with dairy products. The kosher stores that are larger and resemble supermarkets usually have no problem because they too have a much faster turnover.

This is 100 % true, Stores don't handle it very carefully

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #63  
Anonymous Says:

as far as i know pride of farm is lasting the longest! just ask any store that sales both of them

Try it out for yourself, have been drinking Golden flow forever and never had a problem and it has the highest Kosher supervision available, from removing cow"s that had surgery till the end of the packaging

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #62  
MilkMaven Says:

Rabboisei, let's face it, milk is milk. Chalav Yisroel is great and Chalav Stam nowadays is Chazir Treif. Ask any Posek (that has a drop of Yiras Shamayim). In Kriyas Shma we say "Ubechol meOdecha" with all your money... So my Holy Brothers, pay a little extra for Hashem and his torah. In addition, regarding tastes of milk "Al Taam vRayach ain leHisvakayach" but in my humble opinion, the best tasting milk - by far- is MACHMIRIM!!! It is so tasty and delicious that it gets consumed by the family so quickly - that it never even gets close to the expiration date! Taste Machmirim once, and I promise you will be hooked!! Also, I love R' Yossie Spitzer - the man that made the Machmirim dream a reality!!

Do they Bottle 6 times a week or ??????

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
Pride of the Farm Says:

I only use only Pride of the Farm here in Lakewood, although my store carries other cholov Yisroel brands too. It happens to last at least two weeks, and it is also cheaper. I pay $2.25 for 1/2 gal or $1.25 for a qt. at NPGS, or $2.49 in Shoprite.

You were probably only kidding about shopping at Shoprite! A Jew wouldn't stoop so low to by by a goy - when you can support the parnassah of another Yid. It is clear that if a shomer torah steps into Shoprite - he is a shaygetz mamish - a poiretz geder - veTzarich bedikeh achrov.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
Pride of the Farm Says:

I only use only Pride of the Farm here in Lakewood, although my store carries other cholov Yisroel brands too. It happens to last at least two weeks, and it is also cheaper. I pay $2.25 for 1/2 gal or $1.25 for a qt. at NPGS, or $2.49 in Shoprite.

No Denying That Pride is a great and long lasting milk,, But Golden flow is still the best and Just got MUCH better, and i see that they are now Hormones Free

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:46 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

shaul gotta say you sound insecure and feel guilty about drinking cholov stam. Although I will eat m&m and drink cholov stam on the road i will respect anyone that refrains and only drinks cholov yisroel. Its always easier to to be meikel you think that they wouldnt want do eat or drink anywhere they go? Maybe the fact that he does not, deserves respect rather then ridicule. As far as those names you mention Im probably sure you are not the perfect person you think you are.By the way I have an employee who says the same thing about people that daven three times a day. See he says I dont daven but im not modrowitz Tropper etc.so if you daven you are a poster boy to him as well and to him your like tropper etc. think about it

You miss the point. If a person is not a baal midos, then all the chumras in the world are meaningless - botul bshishim. Davening is not a chumrah, it's not a shtick like cholov yisroel became. I've seen with my own eyes frummies yelling about cholov yisroel at public functions while they are embarassing people doing so. Can you understand the absolute stupidity in that? Defending a chumrah at the expense of a deoraysa? This is precisely the type of frumkeit that became a disease. It's not Torah true yahadus. If someone eats cholov yisroel that's a personal choice, but like anything else if it comes along with a label and a means of looking down on others then it's value is lost in the expense.

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
quality Says:

Same way I will only buy Kedem Grape Juice because quality and Kashrus even if it"s a little more expensive, The same way I will ONLY buy Golden Flow

as a matter of fact I think there are other great kosher companies too.by the way I'm related to both companies-gf and the new square company owner that went bankrupt.and my friends all told me that their (new square)milk spoils very quickly.so they investigated and found out that the gf truck driver would deliver the milk crates and there was an agreement with this store(and I'm sure its not the only one)that the milk waited awhile til it was put away.while gf milk went into the fridge right away.so if any of you wondered why some companys milk spoiled faster its just one word -dirtypolitics.btw I had more than once a gf bottle with spoiled milk a good 5 days before the nyc date.its just a sick mentality that only gf is kosher.there are others-devash .fresh&healthy;.come on!

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 Feb 11, 2010 at 11:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

i guess you never made it to the end of the reb moshe teshuvah, which say's a baal nefesh or a yerei shamayim (or in your words a holier than thou crowd) should be machmir. if you want to induldge in all the gashmiyus of cholv stam fine go ahead,but please get a life and stop being angry at those who dont

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 12:03 AM dont understand Says:

I don't understand this while commotion and back and forth talk is only all about MILK! It's delicious and that's it! Buy the brand you like, for the price you can afford, drink it all before it goes bad and gamarnu!! But then again, there are lots of things I don't understand...

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 12:07 AM Kashrus Pro Says:

Reply to #64  
quality Says:

Same way I will only buy Kedem Grape Juice because quality and Kashrus even if it"s a little more expensive, The same way I will ONLY buy Golden Flow

Not a fair comparison bec if you dont buy a Kedem /Royal Wine label of Grape Juice, you arent going to use grape juice.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 12:09 AM Kashrus Pro Says:

Reply to #58  
To 4# & 10# Says:

the heter of drinking non chulev yisroel is not good anymore. Because the heter is that because its illegal to take milk from a horse or pig, the company would for sure not use it ,therefore its kosher, but that's not the concern today, today there is problems with the cows itself, milk from a lot of cows are also not kosher because of different deceases the cows have or if they get certain shots etc. So before you drink that milk on a heter from 30 yrs ago, find out the latest.

When you become a posek hador with the playzers to argue with Reb Moshe Feinstein ZTL, you could talk but until then you should remain your own little tzadik in peltz!

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 12:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Golden Flow, Machmirim, Taubers, Pride of the Farm, Fresh & Healthy, Emes....do you all have such delicate taste buds that you can actually taste the difference???? I can understand that if the milk is spoiled it will taste bad, and there is certainly a taste difference between the red, blue & green, but all those differences aside... THEY ALL TASTE THE SAME! (Including cholov stam which I grew up on).

Years ago a local health food store sold unhomogonized milk (the cream came to the top). The taste reminded me of milk that I had once tasted directly from the cow (after having been boiled). That was the taste of REAL milk. Totally, totally different from all the above companies.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 12:22 AM Liberalism is a Disease!!! Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

Thank you for showing us that even if you say words that are potentialy true, you could be a MAJOR rosha by doing so.

And, I am makpid on Cholov Yishmoel!

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 12:25 AM Kashrus Pro Says:

Reply to #49  
Shea Says:

I do not understand one thing. Why does Cholov Yisroel have a spoilage problem and Cholov Stam does not?

Its a quality control issue. The CY companies know they have you because you wont go drinking CS. The CS companies have competition and they are worried about tier reputation.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 12:30 AM Kashrus Pro Says:

Reply to #49  
Shea Says:

I do not understand one thing. Why does Cholov Yisroel have a spoilage problem and Cholov Stam does not?

For all you Amaiy HaOretz that are being Motzei La'az on Reb Moshe Feinstein ZTL, I suggest you dont follow any of his piskay tshuva when it comes to things you care about, like hilchos nushim!

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 12:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

How can you keep milk frozen on a 14 hour air flight plus several hours at each end to and from the airport? You can get by with powered milk for a week or two in your coffee or drink it black. Anyone travelling with a gallon of "frozen milk" in his luggage today would be thrown off the airplane or held for observation.

dumb! you took it in a ice box in the luggage!

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:05 AM Mrs. C. Says:

If Cholov Stam is so treif, why does OU put its hechsher on Miller's Cheese which is non-Cholov Yisroel, or any of the Hershey's chocolate, etc...? And many Cholov Stam milks in the supermarkets have OU on them. If it has a hechsher like OU, it's not treif. By keeping a hechsher on those Cholov Stam products which deserve it, we are protecting less Machmir Jews from transgressing major halachos of Kashrus. If you are a Machmir Yid, Cholov Yisroel is for you. But creating a rule across that only Cholov Yisroel is kosher, and Cholov Stam is always treif, might cause many modern Jews to abandon their minimum kashrus level of only eating foods with an OU or Star-K, or other kashrus signs. Not all Jews are at the holy level of keeping Cholov Yisroel, and it is the job of frummer Jews to be patient and loving with all Jews so that they will stay with us and hopefully grow in their ability to keep more and more mitzvos.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:30 AM Curious Says:

I wonder how many of the positive comments about GF were written by the same guy from the company...

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #84  
Kashrus Pro Says:

For all you Amaiy HaOretz that are being Motzei La'az on Reb Moshe Feinstein ZTL, I suggest you dont follow any of his piskay tshuva when it comes to things you care about, like hilchos nushim!

Whenever there is a machloikes, I follow other poskim. And that is largely because due to his mistaken CY psak, Rav Moshe ZTL unfortunately ensured that CY would remain expensive and hard to get. Had he said CY or no milk, then the agencies would have worked with the big dairies to get most milk to at least basic CY standards somehow and maybe there would also be super CY for Chassidim like myself who want an even higher standard (just as in EY there is Rav Landa that is head and shoulders above say Tnuva Mehadrin). And BTW the cow surgery issue came up after Rav Moshe ZTL's time; who is to say that if he were with us today that he would not have rescinded his psak.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:41 AM chanaleah Says:

Reply to #71  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

You miss the point. If a person is not a baal midos, then all the chumras in the world are meaningless - botul bshishim. Davening is not a chumrah, it's not a shtick like cholov yisroel became. I've seen with my own eyes frummies yelling about cholov yisroel at public functions while they are embarassing people doing so. Can you understand the absolute stupidity in that? Defending a chumrah at the expense of a deoraysa? This is precisely the type of frumkeit that became a disease. It's not Torah true yahadus. If someone eats cholov yisroel that's a personal choice, but like anything else if it comes along with a label and a means of looking down on others then it's value is lost in the expense.

Ah...that makes more sense now. Thank you for clarifying your position rather than digging in your heels, as a lot of people do.
There may be some people who use CY as an excuse to be "better" than other people. And that is their choice, albeit a bad one. It has nothing to do with CY itself, because if not for this, they'd go off and invent something else to make them better than other people. However, there are SO many other people, and even whole groups of people, who keep CY who are Torah-true ehrliche yidden, baalei middos who have ahavas yisroel for everyone, and are not condescending about it. These are the ones I know, and for them, CY is a genuine concern for kashrus/hiddur mitzvah/whatever you want to call it. Not shallow fake shtick at all.

I think we are agreeing, but I"m not sure...

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:41 AM Loshon Hora Says:

Reply to #20  
rescue Says:

Pride if the farm which is from Kreiders farms (the non cholov yisroel brand) last even longer. Kreider's claims they have a secret patented process which makes it last longer. maybe it's time a C"Y company that is not in competition with them make a deal to use their secret process

Pride of the farm is also bottled at the plant with fulll time mashgiach, they allow a tour & everything there is Cholov Yisroel, it is probably the best in Kashrus too. I try to be makpid to buy Pride of the farm, for health & kashrus reasons.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:22 AM health minded Says:

just wondering what effect this has on the health benefits of the milk, since this is even more processed and is a step further away from its natural state.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:26 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

I think Elmhurst milk or any "on sale" milk, not only cheaper but tastes better. Stop throwing your money away on Cholov Yisrael. Temptee cream cheese also tastes better. How much money can you guys throw away???????????

Money spent on a mitzvah is not "thrown away". Even Reb Moshe, on whom you rely to use commercial milk, said one must spend up to $100 a year extra on cholov yisroel, and that was back then; how much is that in 2010 dollars? Certainly much more than $100. He also ruled that schools MUST pay the extra money for cholov yisroel, no matter how much it is. Remember that without R Moshe you have no heter at all.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:31 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #33  
PMO Says:

Such blanket statements are very foolish. Most poskim hold that cholov staam is fine, but that cholov yisroel is preferred if it is available. SOME poskim hold cholov staam should be avoided 100%. Just because poskim that you choose to abide by hold the latter, does not mean anyone else is eating "treif". The only thing "treif" around here is your ignorant comment.

Most poskim? Besides R Moshe, who else permits it?

And there is no such thing as "cholov staam". The term does not exist anywhere in halacha. R Moshe's heter is on commercially produced and packaged milk, which he calls "cholov hacompanies". He holds that it has the status of cholov yisroel, and his stature in the USA is high enough that nobody can condemn those who rely on him. But milk that ISN'T cholov yisroel is completely treif, and there is no heter in the world for it.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:33 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

I agree with you 100 percent. When buying 7-8 bottles of milk a week for the family at 50 cents (or 75) less than the GF brand. That saves me $200+ a year.
The milk doesn't stay around long enough for it to spoil the wife and kids finish it way before that happens.
Also,
I have a sneaking suspicion that most of the positive feedback above are GF employed posters.

$200+ now is probably within the $100 a year that R Moshe said one must spend to get proper cholov yisroel rather than relying on his heter.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:36 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #32  
aitza tova Says:

Hey Golden flow I know your listening...Why cant you make cholov yisroel milk in a vaccum packed container like the "box drinks"??? The goyim seem to have worked this out....this would really enhance your sales too and people like mr Tokyo don't need to freeze and thaw.

There's no such thing. The bacteria are inside the milk, not entering from outside, so vacuum packing won't help. The only shelf-stable milk is UHT milk, which tastes funny. It isn't something you'd want to drink straight if you have a choice; it's for when you don't have a choice, or for putting in coffee.

But you're right that It is a pity that there doesn't seem to be any cholov yisroel UHT milk in America. It is available elsewhere. It's handy for travel, and to keep a box or two around for emergencies.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:47 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #71  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

You miss the point. If a person is not a baal midos, then all the chumras in the world are meaningless - botul bshishim. Davening is not a chumrah, it's not a shtick like cholov yisroel became. I've seen with my own eyes frummies yelling about cholov yisroel at public functions while they are embarassing people doing so. Can you understand the absolute stupidity in that? Defending a chumrah at the expense of a deoraysa? This is precisely the type of frumkeit that became a disease. It's not Torah true yahadus. If someone eats cholov yisroel that's a personal choice, but like anything else if it comes along with a label and a means of looking down on others then it's value is lost in the expense.

Cholov yisroel is not a shtick, it is basic halacha, just like davening. Cholov hacompanies is a new heter, that one posek came up with, with an argument to show that it has the din of cholov yisroel, because "anan sahadi". Like any enormous chiddush, it's better not to rely on it. If you want to rely on it, you have the right, kedai hu R Moshe lismoch olov, but you have NO right to denigrate those who choose not to accept this chiddush, and stick to the millennia-old halacha.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:51 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #88  
Mrs. C. Says:

If Cholov Stam is so treif, why does OU put its hechsher on Miller's Cheese which is non-Cholov Yisroel, or any of the Hershey's chocolate, etc...? And many Cholov Stam milks in the supermarkets have OU on them. If it has a hechsher like OU, it's not treif. By keeping a hechsher on those Cholov Stam products which deserve it, we are protecting less Machmir Jews from transgressing major halachos of Kashrus. If you are a Machmir Yid, Cholov Yisroel is for you. But creating a rule across that only Cholov Yisroel is kosher, and Cholov Stam is always treif, might cause many modern Jews to abandon their minimum kashrus level of only eating foods with an OU or Star-K, or other kashrus signs. Not all Jews are at the holy level of keeping Cholov Yisroel, and it is the job of frummer Jews to be patient and loving with all Jews so that they will stay with us and hopefully grow in their ability to keep more and more mitzvos.

The OU, OK, Chof-K, etc. rely on R Moshe's heter, which says that commercial milk in the USA has the din of cholov yisroel. Star-K does NOT rely on that heter, and you will never find a Star-K on a dairy product that is not cholov yisroel in the usual sense of that term. (The Star-K also administers the Star-D hechsher, which does rely on the heter.)

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 05:46 AM loshon tov Says:

Reply to #92  
Loshon Hora Says:

Pride of the farm is also bottled at the plant with fulll time mashgiach, they allow a tour & everything there is Cholov Yisroel, it is probably the best in Kashrus too. I try to be makpid to buy Pride of the farm, for health & kashrus reasons.

Who is responsible for removing the Cow"s that had surgery that is treif ?? What is the shitah of the Star K about this ????? And why is it more healthy ???

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 08:10 AM chief doofis Says:

Re: R. Moshe z'l as the only "heter".
Although we use only CY in our household, there was a p'sak, quoted in the "ozar dinim u'minhagim", at the turn of the 20th century, that is almost identical to that of R. Moshe z'l .

My personal adherence to the "humra", does not, in any way mean that I feel "better" than someone else.

There is also the issue of price. It costs ZERO extra to have one observant Jew present at the time of milking. Instead of paying Mr. Jones to milk the cow, you pay Mr, Feinberg! If a farm produces 1000 gallons a day, at $.02 extra a quart, you can pay a Mashgiach $800.00 per DAY for his services. The high price of CY milk, is unwarranted, and causes many "fence sitters" to rely on the heterim.

That goes for all CY producers in the US.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 08:32 AM DizzyIzzy Says:

Reply to #37  
N.Y Says:

This is not Microfilter, This is a NEW method, don't try to GOOGLE it, and this advance process is only like 10-20% of Canada milk. Golden Flow does the milk by a State of the art plant in Upstate NY, I know a mashgiach from that Company

WOW!!! You mean GF is using a brand new, TOP SECRET technology that prevent its milk from spoiling before its shelf date!!! I hope no one else discovers what it is .... that would be bad for business. You must be VERY close with this mashgiach if he'd be willing to tell you all this important, secret information.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 08:37 AM DACON9 Says:

Reply to #61  
T. from Brooklyn Says:

As a frequent traveler with young children, I always take food along and my trusty crock pot. I freeze several packages of chicken and double wrap each in silver foil along with a few frozen packs of cold cuts and place the double wrapped American cheese( which is never available in kosher) together. All the food stays fresh and cold, even with a 4-6 hour flight! I use one or two suitcases just for food related items. We have traveled to FLorida, Arizona, and Puerto Rico from NY this way and my family always had a hot, fresh and kosher supper every night. So freezing milk and traveling with it is not such an unusual idea. Regarding the suitcases, we have never been stopped since the flights were national and all food and liquids were wrapped and packed neatly in the suitcases. This is not such a big deal.

AMERICAN CHEESE IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE KOSHER. Unless I misread your meaning, it sound to me that you would put bacon and eggs on matzah during pesach because like american cheese, bacon i snever available in kosher.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 08:56 AM FVNMS Says:

Reply to #12  
Midwestern Guy Says:

That might be the case, but the marketing people may want to take a look at the name itself. It doesn't conjure up the best image in my mind.

Just like the Useful Idiots in our camp, baavoinoiseini hurabim, who parrot the filthy vulgar term "Teabaggers" of the Left. Ironically, that moniker's target demographic includes those who believe in G-d and uphold His values, but I digress. Some of us are nauseatingly naive.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 09:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

I never tasted any non cholov yisroel (I happen to be makpid on kosher), but in kosher milk "Golden Flow" brand always lasted longer than the other brands.

Really, that is uncalled for. Just because you are makpid on a specific chumra, don't knock those who are not. Certainly, Reb Moshe's shoulders are big enough to support them! (and by the way, I too am makpid on chalav yisroel, bli neder, but don't think abything less of those who are not!)

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 09:40 AM Not a posek Says:

Reply to #17  
Kosher lover Says:

Wrong!!! cholov akkum is ossur as it is, besides the fact that now the milk is also "treif" since the cows go through a surgery that makes it treifa. so today if you drink cholov "stam", you can eat a pork and cheese sandwich to it, and give the rest of the money for tzedaka..

Your words would have more clout if you identified who you are and what your rabbinic credentials are!

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 09:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #90  
Anonymous Says:

Whenever there is a machloikes, I follow other poskim. And that is largely because due to his mistaken CY psak, Rav Moshe ZTL unfortunately ensured that CY would remain expensive and hard to get. Had he said CY or no milk, then the agencies would have worked with the big dairies to get most milk to at least basic CY standards somehow and maybe there would also be super CY for Chassidim like myself who want an even higher standard (just as in EY there is Rav Landa that is head and shoulders above say Tnuva Mehadrin). And BTW the cow surgery issue came up after Rav Moshe ZTL's time; who is to say that if he were with us today that he would not have rescinded his psak.

How dare you talk about Rav Moshe Zt"l is such a negative fashion - and anonymously, too?!!!

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 10:02 AM Gregaaron Says:

Reply to #90  
Anonymous Says:

Whenever there is a machloikes, I follow other poskim. And that is largely because due to his mistaken CY psak, Rav Moshe ZTL unfortunately ensured that CY would remain expensive and hard to get. Had he said CY or no milk, then the agencies would have worked with the big dairies to get most milk to at least basic CY standards somehow and maybe there would also be super CY for Chassidim like myself who want an even higher standard (just as in EY there is Rav Landa that is head and shoulders above say Tnuva Mehadrin). And BTW the cow surgery issue came up after Rav Moshe ZTL's time; who is to say that if he were with us today that he would not have rescinded his psak.

Oh, so now you're on a level of calling R' Moshe's p'sak "mistaken"??? Forgive me for ever challenging anything you have ever said, because your word is golden (no pun intended). If only we couldv'e had you instead of any of the gedolei hador...

By the way, Shaul from Monsey, great job with your follow-up post (#71) - couldn't agree more. It's hard to believe that it was written by the same person as #10.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 10:42 AM kmbrooklyn Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

With your comment all your showing is what an ignoramous you are had you bothered to learn R. Moshes tsheuva you would see he urges to drink cholov yisroel only and clearly states that he himself drinks CY only! but i guess your hate and bias to frum and mehadrin jews clouds your brain!! and tought process. Gut Shabbos

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 10:43 AM Raphael Kaufman Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

but it's not guaranteed not to come from cholov treifa (i.e. an animal that has so many steroids pumped into it that it is terminally ill and therefore the milk is asur d'oraisa)

p.s. Rabbi Weingarten is innocent and you know it.

Steroids do not make a cow a treifa. Only those condition listed in S.A. Y.D.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM Pittsburgh Says:

Wow. I count my blessings that we are so lucky here in Pittsburgh to get fresh cholov yisroel milk and cream in our local kosher store from a local farm. It has never been spoiled on purchase and always tastes fresh until the last drop. I wish that New York could enjoy the same, without all the politics.
When I lived on the west coast, all of our cholov yisroel milk was shipped from New York, and it was almost always spoiled on arrival if not spoiled within a day or two. I gave up fresh milk for a good couple of years.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 11:54 AM Raphael Kaufman Says:

Reply to #93  
health minded Says:

just wondering what effect this has on the health benefits of the milk, since this is even more processed and is a step further away from its natural state.

Drinking milk in its "natural state" is a good way to contract tuberculosis.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

You remind me of the one-liner about the Jew who makpid about Pas Yisrael but not about Bas Yisrael.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:01 PM shimon Says:

Reply to #94  
Milhouse Says:

Money spent on a mitzvah is not "thrown away". Even Reb Moshe, on whom you rely to use commercial milk, said one must spend up to $100 a year extra on cholov yisroel, and that was back then; how much is that in 2010 dollars? Certainly much more than $100. He also ruled that schools MUST pay the extra money for cholov yisroel, no matter how much it is. Remember that without R Moshe you have no heter at all.

According to a number of reliable online inflation calculators, $100 from mid-50s would be about $800 in 2010.

However, the average price of milk pre gallon was $0.924 in 1955 and about $4 today.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:21 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

Reply to #114  
awacs Says:

You remind me of the one-liner about the Jew who makpid about Pas Yisrael but not about Bas Yisrael.

Great vort. Very true. I was once at a business dinner, my boss took a buyer - a goy from middle America, Omaha Nebraska - to Prime Grill. He explained to the buyer about kosher, how the meat is prepared. And as the evening wore on the boss started interspersing profanity into the conversation, from where I sat it seemed like he thought he was ingratiating himself with the guy. Finally the goy says, let me ask you, if you are so strict about what goes into your mouth, why don't you care about what comes out? Turns out the buyer was a devout protestant and didn't appreciate the cursing any more so than a rebbe would. Great mussar haskil.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:34 PM MonseyReader Says:

Can someone explain why Cholov Yisroel doesn't come in Gallon bootles?

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 01:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is great news for the holier than thou crowd, their milk will last longer so they have more time to point to the cholov stam heretics and declare what better Jews they are because their milk is guaranteed not to come from a horse or a pig, USDA law be darned. Of course when you look a little closer at this crew, from the Spinka Ruv to Rubashkin, from Mondrowitz to Weingarten, there must be something in the milk because I've never met a Tuscan Farms yid who stooped to their level. Tropper ad Dwek are perfect poster boys for Golden Flow. Me? I'm happy to rely on Reb Moshe's mehalech. Pass the M and Ms please.

So according to you, cholov Yisroel equals Mondrowits, and cholov stam equals Shaul in Monsey. Did I get you right?

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #71  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

You miss the point. If a person is not a baal midos, then all the chumras in the world are meaningless - botul bshishim. Davening is not a chumrah, it's not a shtick like cholov yisroel became. I've seen with my own eyes frummies yelling about cholov yisroel at public functions while they are embarassing people doing so. Can you understand the absolute stupidity in that? Defending a chumrah at the expense of a deoraysa? This is precisely the type of frumkeit that became a disease. It's not Torah true yahadus. If someone eats cholov yisroel that's a personal choice, but like anything else if it comes along with a label and a means of looking down on others then it's value is lost in the expense.

If cholov yisroel is shtick as you say, then why did Reb Moshe bother to write a long teshuva? He could have simply stated: no shtick please.

Your problem is that you think that frum people consider themselves holier then thou, look down at you as a heretic, and go around declaring what better Jews they are.

In reality you are the one who is petrified that they are holier then thou, you view yourself as a cholov stam heretic and therefore go around with a chip on your shoulder that they are better Jews then you are. It's all, shtick in the mind.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #44  
chief doofis Says:

While Golden Flow is of a better quality than many other C.Y. milks, this guarantee is not new. Forty years ago, Walker Gordon was selling C.Y. milk with the same guarantee. "Guaranteed fresh regardless of date". That was good milk!

Right on! The Gertner's , the original owners of Golden Flow bought the Walker Gorden cows. If you recall the original containers included Walker Gorden. So these cows are the breed. Here we are talking of a more sophisticated manufacturing which is needed as many of our corner grocers don't bother refrigerating milk for hours. They leave it out so people run in the morning and take out of the crates and by 2 or 3 in the afternoon the remainder is refrigerated.

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 02:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #81  
Anonymous Says:

Golden Flow, Machmirim, Taubers, Pride of the Farm, Fresh & Healthy, Emes....do you all have such delicate taste buds that you can actually taste the difference???? I can understand that if the milk is spoiled it will taste bad, and there is certainly a taste difference between the red, blue & green, but all those differences aside... THEY ALL TASTE THE SAME! (Including cholov stam which I grew up on).

Years ago a local health food store sold unhomogonized milk (the cream came to the top). The taste reminded me of milk that I had once tasted directly from the cow (after having been boiled). That was the taste of REAL milk. Totally, totally different from all the above companies.

Take all brands of cholov yisroel to a lab and have them tested for quality and you'll see for yourself what a difference in quality , even though tastes could be masked with additives.
We tried the rest and went back to the best, Golden Flow!

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 Feb 12, 2010 at 05:11 PM פרה אדומה Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

The new label is a bit confusing. It resembles other brands too closely. Also, while it says that it was produced under rabbinical supervision, I could not find the words חלב ישראל anywhere on the label.

Threre are 2 labels on each bottle the back label has the hechsher seal & the words חלב ישראל.

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 Feb 13, 2010 at 09:19 PM Shhh Says:

Reply to #122  
פרה אדומה Says:

Threre are 2 labels on each bottle the back label has the hechsher seal & the words חלב ישראל.

The bottles i got were missing the back label....

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 Feb 15, 2010 at 12:43 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #116  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

Great vort. Very true. I was once at a business dinner, my boss took a buyer - a goy from middle America, Omaha Nebraska - to Prime Grill. He explained to the buyer about kosher, how the meat is prepared. And as the evening wore on the boss started interspersing profanity into the conversation, from where I sat it seemed like he thought he was ingratiating himself with the guy. Finally the goy says, let me ask you, if you are so strict about what goes into your mouth, why don't you care about what comes out? Turns out the buyer was a devout protestant and didn't appreciate the cursing any more so than a rebbe would. Great mussar haskil.

I never thought Shaul from Monsey would say "Great vort" about something I said!

(runs to check his teffilin.)

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 Feb 15, 2010 at 12:47 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #99  
Milhouse Says:

The OU, OK, Chof-K, etc. rely on R Moshe's heter, which says that commercial milk in the USA has the din of cholov yisroel. Star-K does NOT rely on that heter, and you will never find a Star-K on a dairy product that is not cholov yisroel in the usual sense of that term. (The Star-K also administers the Star-D hechsher, which does rely on the heter.)

It's worth noting (I'm sure you know this, Milhouse) that the Lubavitcher Rebbe - no slouch on Kashrus! - specifically asked O-K to keep/start giving hashgacha on Cholov Stam.

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