“ After last week's psak from rav Yosef that is is assur to become drunk on Purim and this article from such a gadol hatorah and expert on addictions, there should be no further discussion of the issue. Any rav who tries to somehow rationalize that excessive drinking is a mitzvah on purim should be stripped of any responsibilities for chinuch or leadership and put in charem. Such a rav is mamash an accessory to manslaughter if he encourges bochurim to drink till they get drunk l'shem mitzvah. ”

“ dont you get it, it does not matter what new decrees rabonin make, they are not taking seriously. a yeshivah bochur would never consider turning a light on shabbos, but smoking, which is a direct violation of the torah, thats for some reason is easy for him to do ”

“ I never asked his opinion?How come no one is asking others opinions? Who is bankrolling these people.I went to the Mirrer yeshiva, and people were blasted out of their minds.But it was a very holy thing.PEOPLe would dance and enemies would embrace.I was in eretz yisroel,The rosh hayeshiva was a real talmid chochom. He never said one word of protest as people also lost their seichel.I was by the ribnitzer rebbes house who looked like a malach elokim, same story there.Maybe this purim rabbi twersky and rabbi kaminetsky could get together and sniff some wine and take a little shluf. Also getting drunk is not so easy ,sometimes you throw up, and the next day you feel like garbage.But i remember my rabbi telling me in yeshiva about one person who got a headache from purim till pesach becase of drinking and did so anyway to be mikuyim the words of chazal. ”

“ I think that people dont know how to draw lines. We either go to one extreme or another. To say its wrong to get drunk once a yr when it pretty much is a mitzvah although you could twist that you dont have to is wrong. Plus once a yr our teenagers need it . everyone needs to let out a little bit. If we put too much restrictions everyone knows they run the other way chas vsholom. However they should only get drink by their purim seuda with thier parents watching to make sure that yes they can get drunk but not sick that hatzolah has to come and pump it out of thier stomach, not the whole day from the min they start collecting which is totally not a mitzva only the seuda is and not without supervision. Of course after the seuda if they are drunk its a sakana to go out. However to say dont drink at all just be yotzai by taking a nap is a bit too much the other way. ”

“ Purim aside, when you say that drinking is assur, what you are saying flies in the face of various mamarei chazal, e.g. ain simcha ela be'yayin and the gemara in Beitza that Rav did not pasken on Yom Tov because of shikrus. There are valid shitos who minimize the inyan of drinking on Purim, but to invalidate the practice (with much on which to be someich) of thousands of jews for at least hundreds of years is a very dangerous game. Tomorrow, when a group of 'rabbis' declares driving a minivan to be assur, will they be very different than you? ”

“ Purim aside, when you say that drinking is assur, what you are saying flies in the face of various mamarei chazal, e.g. ain simcha ela be'yayin and the gemara in Beitza that Rav did not pasken on Yom Tov because of shikrus. There are valid shitos who minimize the inyan of drinking on Purim, but to invalidate the practice (with much on which to be someich) of thousands of jews for at least hundreds of years is a very dangerous game. Tomorrow, when a group of 'rabbis' declares driving a minivan to be assur, will they be very different than you? ”

“ The previous lubavitcher Rebbe smoked, the first belzer Rebbe smoked, the chida writes that he smoked, and till this present day there's plenty of gedolim who smoke ”

“ Purim aside, when you say that drinking is assur, what you are saying flies in the face of various mamarei chazal, e.g. ain simcha ela be'yayin and the gemara in Beitza that Rav did not pasken on Yom Tov because of shikrus. There are valid shitos who minimize the inyan of drinking on Purim, but to invalidate the practice (with much on which to be someich) of thousands of jews for at least hundreds of years is a very dangerous game. Tomorrow, when a group of 'rabbis' declares driving a minivan to be assur, will they be very different than you? ”

“ The previous lubavitcher Rebbe smoked, the first belzer Rebbe smoked, the chida writes that he smoked, and till this present day there's plenty of gedolim who smoke ”

“ I am sure there will be postings that we should not change a minhag shiker vi a goy. After all he is gadol b'torah but also a psychiatrist and that does not jive with some chushive yungeleit ”

“ as a former bochur: someone that sits and learns with the full schedule they have should have one day a year where they could get drunk lsheim shomayim . its very healthy for them ,unites the bochrim and brings out the simcha in them I was in the mir and I never heard any of the gedolim rav elyashiv rav chaim reb shlomo zalman aser this. have we become pc just to satisfy the leftwingers of the newsmedia? when the gedolim of eretz yisroel come out with a ban then ill listen til then lchaim! (in moderation ) ”

“ as a former bochur: someone that sits and learns with the full schedule they have should have one day a year where they could get drunk lsheim shomayim . its very healthy for them ,unites the bochrim and brings out the simcha in them I was in the mir and I never heard any of the gedolim rav elyashiv rav chaim reb shlomo zalman aser this. have we become pc just to satisfy the leftwingers of the newsmedia? when the gedolim of eretz yisroel come out with a ban then ill listen til then lchaim! (in moderation ) ”

“ Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

B"H we are bringing this shreklicha Aveira of getting drunk to the forfront and hopefully everyone will follow. VIN editor please do not publish any comments that try to argue this point. Don't give these people the chance to spew their misguided and wrong opnions. This is Sakonas Nefoshos at the highest level and we need to keep this issue as an anti drunk movement in the strongest possible way. ”

“ a debate or discussion is very healthy
bur when people belittle the few gedolim that we have left and jump down their throat
it shows how low weve become we have no emunas chachomim we bark at anything they say or suggest ”

“ Can we at least differentiate between bochurim and responsible adults? ”

“ ONCE A YEAR OUR TEENAGERS NEED IT? You allow your teenagers to not only drink, but get hammered? You know you can go to jail for that, right? ”

“ Aren't there more important things to discuss? This is a silly non issue. Not everything is a crisis. What is far more disturbing than drinking, and I think nothing is wrong with that on Purim, are the Yeshiva boys parading around loudly on the street late into the night and disturbing non-Jewish or non-religious people. If you want to get drunk in your shul or home - fine with me. But why are Yeshiva boys encouraged to go out and make a chilul Hashem? This really the only time of year they are seen by the outside world and - frankly - what is seen shameful behavior. If you need an outlet - do it inside - not in public! ”

“ what is with the haluche that if you mazik somebody in Purim ur putir " Rabeh shchat es r' Zyre" u can see that Purim u aloud to get drunk of cause not over the mus ”

“ "...there should be no further discussion of the issue."

I'm glad to know that only two people decide all of Yiddishkeit for everyone. This is an interesting notion. I am glad that you have shown us all the light. I suppose, then, that we should not learn halacha, and only call Rav Twerski when we have a shailoh.

"Any rav who tries to somehow rationalize that excessive drinking is a mitzvah on purim should...put in charem. Such a rav is mamash an accessory to manslaughter..."

Wow, perhaps I should retract my previous statement. Maybe we should just call you if we have a shailoh. ”

“ Very interesting things r happening this days, something what chazal say "chayav" which Talmidei baal shem said that whenever chazal say "chayav" it means u need to have mesiras nefesh but in 2010 it became the biggest aveirah ever!
I could understand when u try to discourage young ppl who don't know how to control themselves from drinking but to say its the 'biggest aveirah'?? Give me a brake!!! ”

“ "Sakanta chamira me Issura".
All your cynicism won't change that. ”

“ I never asked his opinion?How come no one is asking others opinions? Who is bankrolling these people.I went to the Mirrer yeshiva, and people were blasted out of their minds.But it was a very holy thing.PEOPLe would dance and enemies would embrace.I was in eretz yisroel,The rosh hayeshiva was a real talmid chochom. He never said one word of protest as people also lost their seichel.I was by the ribnitzer rebbes house who looked like a malach elokim, same story there.Maybe this purim rabbi twersky and rabbi kaminetsky could get together and sniff some wine and take a little shluf. Also getting drunk is not so easy ,sometimes you throw up, and the next day you feel like garbage.But i remember my rabbi telling me in yeshiva about one person who got a headache from purim till pesach becase of drinking and did so anyway to be mikuyim the words of chazal. ”

“ The previous lubavitcher Rebbe smoked, the first belzer Rebbe smoked, the chida writes that he smoked, and till this present day there's plenty of gedolim who smoke ”

“ We live in a crazy world what happen yeasterday does not go for today.Drinking is a problem and drinking on purim is a bigger problem.This is one reason why out town yeshivah's send the boys home because the yeshivah's don't know how to deal with it.The other problem some organzation's and yeshivah's will send boys all over to collect for them and then the boy's get drunk ,there parent's try to track their children down to make sure they are ok. SO WHO HAVING SIMCHAS? I don't think this is what purim is about.So all you people who want to say it's ok why not or it's not problem.Think about it. if it is your son collectng getting drunk in a strange city would you like that?If one person says they don't mind or don't care. You need Help.Why this mitzvah people have to be makpit you can't find another mitzvah to be makpit.How about ben adam lchaveraw? work on that.We compare purim to Yom kippur think what you would do on yom kippur and would you do it on purim. ”

“ "...there should be no further discussion of the issue."

I'm glad to know that only two people decide all of Yiddishkeit for everyone. This is an interesting notion. I am glad that you have shown us all the light. I suppose, then, that we should not learn halacha, and only call Rav Twerski when we have a shailoh.

"Any rav who tries to somehow rationalize that excessive drinking is a mitzvah on purim should...put in charem. Such a rav is mamash an accessory to manslaughter..."

Wow, perhaps I should retract my previous statement. Maybe we should just call you if we have a shailoh. ”

“ Again why is it any ones buisness how the next guy does the religion ”

“ The previous lubavitcher Rebbe smoked, the first belzer Rebbe smoked, the chida writes that he smoked, and till this present day there's plenty of gedolim who smoke ”

“ Well this is a good thing . let people not follow a rabbi just because his father was a real godol.Just because someones name is feinstein or kaminetsky,doesnt mean to follow him blindly.Because if you do then this could only be the start of a torah that is politically correct.With all due respect to rabbi Shmuel shlita and rabbi twersky shlita , they are not of the spiritual caliber of a rabbi moshe feinstein zatzal or a rabbi shach zatzal. Also lbclc I woul accept this coming from rabbi chaim kanievsky shlita. he has less going on politically and can thusly arrive at a true daas torah. ”

“ "to say it's the biggest aveirah..." Have you ever seen victims killed by drunk
drivers? Rehtzeekha is a pretty big aveirah in my book. Not big enough for
you? Nar! ”

“ Rabbi Dr. Twerski writes that as a result of "the observation of the tragedies resulting from excess drinking on Purim, Hagaon Harav Shmuel Kamentzky made the bold statement that 'Getting drunk on Purim is an aveirah, not a mitzvah.'"

Bizman ha'zeh, the halacha needs to lean in another direction. Today's social conditions are different. Getting stupid drunk on Purim, and acting like a fool, is an aveira.

Elliot Pasik ”

“ "to say it's the biggest aveirah..." Have you ever seen victims killed by drunk
drivers? Rehtzeekha is a pretty big aveirah in my book. Not big enough for
you? Nar! ”

“ "to say it's the biggest aveirah..." Have you ever seen victims killed by drunk
drivers? Rehtzeekha is a pretty big aveirah in my book. Not big enough for
you? Nar! ”

“ You quote gedolim but remember my father in Vienna and our neighbors, chashide Yidden who enjoyed Purim without being drunk. My father's mesora and of course my mother's A.H. too brought me through 4 years of concentration camp. I davened in the Ghetto, 2 concentrantion camps and raised a family and my grandchildren daven too. You the typical ignorant response, the news media and of course the leftists. The fact is you sit on your derrier and only think about yourself and allegedly hashem when it is convienient for you. In Czenstochau the camp also had women and the Ukrainian SS in drunken stupor went into Women barracks raped and killed Jewish women.
However the the yesod and iker is the chashidishe background I never saw a kopyczinitzer chosid shiker , being drunk is a midah eysev ”

“ I am m'chanech my children from age 6 and older to get drunk on purim.

There are shitos that hold even women (and girls) need to be m'kayem ad d'lo yada - just as they are obligated in all other mitzvos of purim. (and just as they must drink the 4 cups on pessach). Therefore my daughters from age 5 get drunk on pruim, as does my wife - all in tzniusdik manner. ”

“ For those who are absolutely convinced of the halachic necessity to drink on purim, need not do so as the point is to attain a state of "Ad de'lo yoda" and this he has already achieved! ”

“ Very few kids jump straight into DRUGS. More often than not, they start with something KOSHER, like alcohol. Then it is no longer enough, and they "graduate" to the next level.

Don't try to impugn the Monds, they will readily say what he struggled with. However, had they made a film about DRUG abuse (the other substance), kvetchers like you would have kvetched THAT MUCH louder! ”

“ You obviously don't understand the dangers of excessive drinking which
threatens the health and safety of members of our community. Because of
fools like you Hatzala has its hand full every Purim. ”

“ The previous lubavitcher Rebbe smoked, the first belzer Rebbe smoked, the chida writes that he smoked, and till this present day there's plenty of gedolim who smoke ”

“ as a former bochur: someone that sits and learns with the full schedule they have should have one day a year where they could get drunk lsheim shomayim . its very healthy for them ,unites the bochrim and brings out the simcha in them I was in the mir and I never heard any of the gedolim rav elyashiv rav chaim reb shlomo zalman aser this. have we become pc just to satisfy the leftwingers of the newsmedia? when the gedolim of eretz yisroel come out with a ban then ill listen til then lchaim! (in moderation ) ”

“ Are you implying that you or yours would be choshud to do what the ukrainian ss did in a drunken stupor?That is why you kappishnitzer chassidim don't drink?
Kol Hakavod........ ”

“ you can't change a gemra or halche .. today you change this tommorow someone will change a other mitzvah and say si hynt andersh. ”

“ I am appalled at the stupidity of some of the commenters. No one suggested a takanah to not drink on Purim. All that was said is that the poskim that are our guides in all Torah matters have spoken clearly and loudly, and their words are black on white (אש שחורה על גבי אש לבנה). Shikrus is NOT the mitzvah on Purim. It said nothing about drinking, only the way in which the alcohol is used. What is so hard to understand. The subject is CONTROL. If you can stop at the right time and experience the spiritual stuff, that is wonderful. And if you can't, there is danger lurking. חמירא סכנתא מאיסורא. No one is forbidding anything that was ever permissible until now. It was never מותר. And drinking throughout Purim is an aveiro, just like our gedolim say. Stop being a smart aleck. Learn a little, and be mekabel the words of the gedolim who know more than you ever will. ”

“ I am appalled at the stupidity of some of the commenters. No one suggested a takanah to not drink on Purim. All that was said is that the poskim that are our guides in all Torah matters have spoken clearly and loudly, and their words are black on white (אש שחורה על גבי אש לבנה). Shikrus is NOT the mitzvah on Purim. It said nothing about drinking, only the way in which the alcohol is used. What is so hard to understand. The subject is CONTROL. If you can stop at the right time and experience the spiritual stuff, that is wonderful. And if you can't, there is danger lurking. חמירא סכנתא מאיסורא. No one is forbidding anything that was ever permissible until now. It was never מותר. And drinking throughout Purim is an aveiro, just like our gedolim say. Stop being a smart aleck. Learn a little, and be mekabel the words of the gedolim who know more than you ever will. ”

“ One Purim a Ner student missed a curve on Park Heights , slammed into a tree and now his father must say Kadish on Purim marbim b'simcha ”

“ who changing anything ,torah does not put harm to someone life even for a mitzvah if someone really would like to work on aod v'lo yada you can go to sleep. ”

“ You are a nut... This is not to insult you... It's because you make statements that are contradictory to reality to put it mildly, they are foolish.

Besides, if you have reading diffulties don't come and accuse others with being ignorant. Work on it. Yes, this idea by R Twersky is to publicize that drinking on Purim is assur????? is of course not a takanah, it's a recommendation? And ALL the Rabbonim before him, well, they couldn't understand what the Sh'a or the M'Br said.

Hmmm, why is that so hard to accept?

Also, don't tell me, that it is productive to constantly asser everything that is a temptation. Kids are growing up without any feel and touch to real life, came out of yeshiva and leave the frum life faster than you typed your post.

We are real people, we need real leadership. We need to be able to deal with problems, in our life.

You are simplifying the issue. We are taking the leadership position saying: we need real life experience! real leaders! real, complete understanding of a life of a bochur, yungerleit, young baley batim. It's a world with a lot in it, we have to keep being frum. If you assur the world, nobody is going to accept Moshiach, R'L. ”

“ I am m'chanech my children from age 6 and older to get drunk on purim.

There are shitos that hold even women (and girls) need to be m'kayem ad d'lo yada - just as they are obligated in all other mitzvos of purim. (and just as they must drink the 4 cups on pessach). Therefore my daughters from age 5 get drunk on pruim, as does my wife - all in tzniusdik manner. ”

“ You are a nut... This is not to insult you... It's because you make statements that are contradictory to reality to put it mildly, they are foolish.

Besides, if you have reading diffulties don't come and accuse others with being ignorant. Work on it. Yes, this idea by R Twersky is to publicize that drinking on Purim is assur????? is of course not a takanah, it's a recommendation? And ALL the Rabbonim before him, well, they couldn't understand what the Sh'a or the M'Br said.

Hmmm, why is that so hard to accept?

Also, don't tell me, that it is productive to constantly asser everything that is a temptation. Kids are growing up without any feel and touch to real life, came out of yeshiva and leave the frum life faster than you typed your post.

We are real people, we need real leadership. We need to be able to deal with problems, in our life.

You are simplifying the issue. We are taking the leadership position saying: we need real life experience! real leaders! real, complete understanding of a life of a bochur, yungerleit, young baley batim. It's a world with a lot in it, we have to keep being frum. If you assur the world, nobody is going to accept Moshiach, R'L. ”

“ Its not avira no way . byn hazmynim is avira let then stop it right now .They are not gedolim if the say its avira simple If chazel say you have to .Don't say its avira. This godil will never ever be like chazel ”

“ Can we at least differentiate between bochurim and responsible adults? ”

“ "...there should be no further discussion of the issue."

I'm glad to know that only two people decide all of Yiddishkeit for everyone. This is an interesting notion. I am glad that you have shown us all the light. I suppose, then, that we should not learn halacha, and only call Rav Twerski when we have a shailoh.

"Any rav who tries to somehow rationalize that excessive drinking is a mitzvah on purim should...put in charem. Such a rav is mamash an accessory to manslaughter..."

Wow, perhaps I should retract my previous statement. Maybe we should just call you if we have a shailoh. ”

“ I think that people dont know how to draw lines. We either go to one extreme or another. To say its wrong to get drunk once a yr when it pretty much is a mitzvah although you could twist that you dont have to is wrong. Plus once a yr our teenagers need it . everyone needs to let out a little bit. If we put too much restrictions everyone knows they run the other way chas vsholom. However they should only get drink by their purim seuda with thier parents watching to make sure that yes they can get drunk but not sick that hatzolah has to come and pump it out of thier stomach, not the whole day from the min they start collecting which is totally not a mitzva only the seuda is and not without supervision. Of course after the seuda if they are drunk its a sakana to go out. However to say dont drink at all just be yotzai by taking a nap is a bit too much the other way. ”

“ I would wish for an additional takanah. If bochurim come collecting and any of them are drunk, no tzedokoh should be given to them at all. This will encourage the yeshivos and other worthy organizations sending out bochurim to collect to mandate sobriety. I believe that rewarding the drunk bochurim is irresponsible, as is putting money into the hands of someone inebriated and irresponsible. This might sound mean spirited, but it is worthwhile. I would rather see a charitable organization out a few dollars and a life saved. ”

“ #89 is right.

If you keep on making "new isurim" every day you will loose the youth and even older people too.

It IS possible to continue to live with all the temptations of this world and still behave responsibly. It is possible to drink and still NOT drink'n-drive chas vesholom.

To make a blanket issur to "not-drink" or to "not get drunk" is not unlike the days of the prohibition in the USA which never worked as we all know.

People are sick and tired or new isurim popping up every other day.

It is possible to drink and even get "quite high" on alcohol and never step foot near a vehicle and still never do anything foolish that you will regret later.

Don't just "B A N" getting drunk, rather be proactive to arrange for anyone who will drink, to do so in a responsible setting and supervised and enforced with loving kindness to our youth and not by strong armed "issurim" against drinking and against concerts and against the Internet and against news-blogs and against everything else under the sun. ”

“ I would wish for an additional takanah. If bochurim come collecting and any of them are drunk, no tzedokoh should be given to them at all. This will encourage the yeshivos and other worthy organizations sending out bochurim to collect to mandate sobriety. I believe that rewarding the drunk bochurim is irresponsible, as is putting money into the hands of someone inebriated and irresponsible. This might sound mean spirited, but it is worthwhile. I would rather see a charitable organization out a few dollars and a life saved. ”

“ Purim aside, when you say that drinking is assur, what you are saying flies in the face of various mamarei chazal, e.g. ain simcha ela be'yayin and the gemara in Beitza that Rav did not pasken on Yom Tov because of shikrus. There are valid shitos who minimize the inyan of drinking on Purim, but to invalidate the practice (with much on which to be someich) of thousands of jews for at least hundreds of years is a very dangerous game. Tomorrow, when a group of 'rabbis' declares driving a minivan to be assur, will they be very different than you? ”

“ lets say its not a mitzva but why is it an avereih ”

“ The previous lubavitcher Rebbe smoked, the first belzer Rebbe smoked, the chida writes that he smoked, and till this present day there's plenty of gedolim who smoke ”

“ as a former bochur: someone that sits and learns with the full schedule they have should have one day a year where they could get drunk lsheim shomayim . its very healthy for them ,unites the bochrim and brings out the simcha in them I was in the mir and I never heard any of the gedolim rav elyashiv rav chaim reb shlomo zalman aser this. have we become pc just to satisfy the leftwingers of the newsmedia? when the gedolim of eretz yisroel come out with a ban then ill listen til then lchaim! (in moderation ) ”

“ Rabbi Dr. Twerski writes that as a result of "the observation of the tragedies resulting from excess drinking on Purim, Hagaon Harav Shmuel Kamentzky made the bold statement that 'Getting drunk on Purim is an aveirah, not a mitzvah.'"

Bizman ha'zeh, the halacha needs to lean in another direction. Today's social conditions are different. Getting stupid drunk on Purim, and acting like a fool, is an aveira.

Elliot Pasik ”

“ what are you talking . open a gemoreh and the rambam and shilcin erich .. chyav adam. ..no one in the world could come out and say . its asser simple . you could explain the gemoerh .like all the rashinim achrinim are explaing the gemorah.. And go back what the old tzdkim gedilim stam yidin did years ago...some drenk mamch ad dala yoda some not. To say plain simple iits asser. .its not they way a godel is lerning .very simple. And Btw let them stop the byn hazmanim if they have rocmnis of yidsha kinder. not a haloche ”

“ There is another pressing issues related to excessive drinking . It has become very popular over the last 5-7 yrs that bochurim actually get drunk every Friday night!. This happens especially in Eretz Yisroel where they are invited out to meals and the host who is trying desperately to show himself as being "a big bala bos " as opposed to being the Ben Torah that he is being supported to be will bring out many different types of whiskeys etc .I am not sure what is happening to the current generation of yeshiva bochurim , (I am not generalizing , I admit there are still good boys around) it seems that all the so called torah etc they are learning is not even going in skin deep!. Where are the quality bochurim we used to have 15 yrs ago + , a bochur who would internalize what he had seen in yeshiva from his Rebeim etc . How many bochurim have no problem turning up to shachris at 9am ?? , how many come to shule and talk with their friends ? what are these boys doing on motzei shabbos ? . I think it is about time that something is reviewed in the system as maybe the system is just not working ?!. ”

“ Very interesting things r happening this days, something what chazal say "chayav" which Talmidei baal shem said that whenever chazal say "chayav" it means u need to have mesiras nefesh but in 2010 it became the biggest aveirah ever!
I could understand when u try to discourage young ppl who don't know how to control themselves from drinking but to say its the 'biggest aveirah'?? Give me a brake!!! ”

“ With all due respect, I want to point out that the article states the following legal acrobatics:

"In regard to the mitzvah to drink on Purim, Ramah says that one need not get drunk, but to drink just a bit more than one usually does, and take a nap. The Mishnah Berurah (695), says “This is the proper thing to do.” This is the halachah we must live by today. Getting drunk is improper. That is the halachah. "

Let's read this slowly:

(1) Ramah says that one need not get drunk - there is no REQUIREMENT that one MUST get drunk, since one can do it in another manner, as follows.

(2) Ramah continues that one has the OPTION to drink just a bit more than one usually does, and take a nap.

(3) Mishnah Berurah (695), says, This is the proper thing to do. Namely, that it is proper to rely on this option, and one does not NEED to get drunk.

It is quite a stretch to say that this halacha indicates that "getting drunk is improper"! The halacha is that getting drunk is not required, needed, obligated - but where do you get that getting drunk is "improper"? That is purely legal acrobatics! ”

“ i don't know mitzvah no mitzvah through out the generations there were pretty big gedolim who got plastered on purim ויש ‏לסמוך ‏עליהם‏!‏ ”

“ In my opinion drinking "ad lo yadah" only applies to a buchar who learned the Meggilah with meforshim and truly is drinking to mekayim the mitzvah. Drinking to get drunk is a goyishe maaseh and is an aveirah.
Drinking arbah koses on Pesach is mutar only because it is done betoch a seder where we are reading the sippor yetzias mitzrayim ad chatzos and we have daas to mekayim the mitzvah and the focus is not on the drinking, but being mekayim achilas matzah, marror, carpas, korech, and afikomen bizmano. ”

“ Whats going on with this gedilim whole year. when all does kids need help. I don't see them comnig up in public .MAybe they do. I don't hear and see it. They take a mitzveh make it for avira. And don't forget its nothing know.what happing now with drinkers. And the gedlim before . didn't came out with such peskim avira avira. There is more important things to teach today then drinking on purim... ”

“ Well this is a good thing . let people not follow a rabbi just because his father was a real godol.Just because someones name is feinstein or kaminetsky,doesnt mean to follow him blindly.Because if you do then this could only be the start of a torah that is politically correct.With all due respect to rabbi Shmuel shlita and rabbi twersky shlita , they are not of the spiritual caliber of a rabbi moshe feinstein zatzal or a rabbi shach zatzal. Also lbclc I woul accept this coming from rabbi chaim kanievsky shlita. he has less going on politically and can thusly arrive at a true daas torah. ”

“ Did you ever see Rav Pam z"tl, Rav Moshe z"tl or anyone else at their caliber get drunk on Purim? I highly doubt that, they had too much respect for their wives to lose control. ”

“ I am afraid, that the problem is bigger than Purim. Rabbanim today are loosing sight of a big picture, that halacha is to HELP Yidden live a life of Torah and Mitzvot and to ENABLE them to be members of our society. Today the new and new gezeiras and takanahs are flying everywhere. Soon breathing loud is going to be forbidden as well.
The bochurim need to have a sense of real life. They need to be able to drink a little bit THROUGHOUT the whole year to learn the feeling of alcohol, the dangers of it and how to enjoy it without endangering themselves. All this ALL FORBIDDEN attitude that comes out IS what makes them VICTIMS. They are expected to live a completely sheltered life, than they become teenagers, and they see that the adults are not what they preach they are; some Rebbi's in the Yeshivot are sexual predators and we cover up for them, some Rebbe's are just fundraisers,and Gadolim are busy building their image.
We should teach them that MRA'H is emet, vetorato emet. And people are just people. Alcohol is alcohol,you can enjoy it and it can make you sameach,and yes it can kill,be careful.
Why are we trying to teach them LIES?! Drinking is not assur, or dangerous. Ignorance is ”

“ You represent the low element of Yidden and basically are baal tavaniks. No, Kopyczinitzer Chasidim were refined and had manners. I follow my father who was beseimaach on Purim without getting drunk. Your problem is you hide behind torah to shiker and the goyim are called alcolics what are you? The tzire of man changes through alcohol and he descend to a chaye. I guess that is your goal and yidishkeit, sad and I pity you ”

“ its a mitzva to get drunk on purim. i and all my underage friends will be getting drunk the first night also for the mitzva of be mismeach on purim. by the seuda its a mitzva to drink but the rest of purim is not an aveira. i drink only 3 times a year. purim, shabbos and chasunas. so evryone should just stop saying its an aveira to drink on purim when it says clearly in the mishna berura otherwise. and even if u say theres no mitzva, there is certainly no aveira ”

“ These postings are the saddest comments I have ever heard. None of you is worried about gemilas chesed or shilach monis for sick , disabled and poor, believe or not there are. All you argue how to fullfil your taave of shikering. Maybe we should have a longitudinal study on present social behavior by religious Jews and the result would be dismal ”

“ Did you ever see Rav Pam z"tl, Rav Moshe z"tl or anyone else at their caliber get drunk on Purim? I highly doubt that, they had too much respect for their wives to lose control. ”

“ I am m'chanech my children from age 6 and older to get drunk on purim.

There are shitos that hold even women (and girls) need to be m'kayem ad d'lo yada - just as they are obligated in all other mitzvos of purim. (and just as they must drink the 4 cups on pessach). Therefore my daughters from age 5 get drunk on pruim, as does my wife - all in tzniusdik manner. ”

“ I am m'chanech my children from age 6 and older to get drunk on purim.

There are shitos that hold even women (and girls) need to be m'kayem ad d'lo yada - just as they are obligated in all other mitzvos of purim. (and just as they must drink the 4 cups on pessach). Therefore my daughters from age 5 get drunk on pruim, as does my wife - all in tzniusdik manner. ”

“ I am m'chanech my children from age 6 and older to get drunk on purim.

There are shitos that hold even women (and girls) need to be m'kayem ad d'lo yada - just as they are obligated in all other mitzvos of purim. (and just as they must drink the 4 cups on pessach). Therefore my daughters from age 5 get drunk on pruim, as does my wife - all in tzniusdik manner. ”

“ as a former bochur: someone that sits and learns with the full schedule they have should have one day a year where they could get drunk lsheim shomayim . its very healthy for them ,unites the bochrim and brings out the simcha in them I was in the mir and I never heard any of the gedolim rav elyashiv rav chaim reb shlomo zalman aser this. have we become pc just to satisfy the leftwingers of the newsmedia? when the gedolim of eretz yisroel come out with a ban then ill listen til then lchaim! (in moderation ) ”

“ Did you ever see Rav Pam z"tl, Rav Moshe z"tl or anyone else at their caliber get drunk on Purim? I highly doubt that, they had too much respect for their wives to lose control.”

Rav Pam and Rav Moshe must have been wrong since poster no. 49 says it is torah moshe m'senai not only that a yid must get drunk, but also that he must get his wife and young daughters drunk as well since the chiyuv applies to women and children. ”

“ Wait, I think that a HUGE portion of the Jewish people do not accept the Mishnah Berurah(i.e sephardim, real chasidim etc., although granted, misnagdim with a rebbe might pasken from it).. Once again, It is kodesh minhag yisroel to get shiker, bferush rashi, rambam, shulchan aruch and shulchan aruch harav and arba turim. L'chaim misnagdim stop trying to drain me a cup and keep the torah, I get it, you think you learned alot of torah, you don't have to overturn shulchan aruch and rashi, it will be alright. If i want to buy a snaggy self help book though maybe I'll listen to rabbi twersky. ”

“ Wait, I think that a HUGE portion of the Jewish people do not accept the Mishnah Berurah(i.e sephardim, real chasidim etc., although granted, misnagdim with a rebbe might pasken from it).. Once again, It is kodesh minhag yisroel to get shiker, bferush rashi, rambam, shulchan aruch and shulchan aruch harav and arba turim. L'chaim misnagdim stop trying to drain me a cup and keep the torah, I get it, you think you learned alot of torah, you don't have to overturn shulchan aruch and rashi, it will be alright. If i want to buy a snaggy self help book though maybe I'll listen to rabbi twersky. ”

“ I never thought about it -

1. Do woman really need to get drunk on purim (like they need to do all the other mitzvos of purim)?

2. Is there a mitzva of chinuch, to teach children that on purim they should become ad d'lo yoda?

Anyone know the answers?? ”

“ We have to separate between being drunk, and killing. There are many sober people that have killed via driving, or via other methods, and there are many people who get plastered every Purim without causing any harm to anyone.

Some people become reckless when drunk, and others become happy and sociable.

For someone who knows that via drinking he is likely to cause harm, then he must avoid drinking, even on Purim.

But for someone whom drinking makes him happy and sociable, then it is possible for him to drink on Purim for the sake of heaven, and he can be merited with a mitzoh just like fasting on Yom Kippur.

From the gemora we see that Tzadikim got plastered on Purim, and Tzadikim in our generation have been seen drinking heavily on Purim too. ”

“ it really depends on your ability to control yourself. some people are more responsible & can drink wothout losing their dignity. tosafos in sanhedrin 38a brings a gemara in eiruvin that such an attribute is a virtue. but if you cant, then you should definitely stay away. its like saying its ossur to buy raffle tickets because some people have gambling addictions. ”

“ We have to separate between being drunk, and killing. There are many sober people that have killed via driving, or via other methods, and there are many people who get plastered every Purim without causing any harm to anyone.

Some people become reckless when drunk, and others become happy and sociable.

For someone who knows that via drinking he is likely to cause harm, then he must avoid drinking, even on Purim.

But for someone whom drinking makes him happy and sociable, then it is possible for him to drink on Purim for the sake of heaven, and he can be merited with a mitzoh just like fasting on Yom Kippur.

From the gemora we see that Tzadikim got plastered on Purim, and Tzadikim in our generation have been seen drinking heavily on Purim too. ”

“ I am afraid, that the problem is bigger than Purim. Rabbanim today are loosing sight of a big picture, that halacha is to HELP Yidden live a life of Torah and Mitzvot and to ENABLE them to be members of our society. Today the new and new gezeiras and takanahs are flying everywhere. Soon breathing loud is going to be forbidden as well.
The bochurim need to have a sense of real life. They need to be able to drink a little bit THROUGHOUT the whole year to learn the feeling of alcohol, the dangers of it and how to enjoy it without endangering themselves. All this ALL FORBIDDEN attitude that comes out IS what makes them VICTIMS. They are expected to live a completely sheltered life, than they become teenagers, and they see that the adults are not what they preach they are; some Rebbi's in the Yeshivot are sexual predators and we cover up for them, some Rebbe's are just fundraisers,and Gadolim are busy building their image.
We should teach them that MRA'H is emet, vetorato emet. And people are just people. Alcohol is alcohol,you can enjoy it and it can make you sameach,and yes it can kill,be careful.
Why are we trying to teach them LIES?! Drinking is not assur, or dangerous. Ignorance is ”

“ I hope this letter is sent to every yeshivah. ”

“ i dont know why a rabbi who knows so much torah would say this
i never heard this from my always drunk rabbi and from my crazy hebrew teacher i know that when your 13 your aloud to drink on purim when i went to my rabbis house he let me have some wine if a rabbi says some thing like that i dont think hes a rabbi un less hes trying to tell under age of 13 kids not to drink ”