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Borough Park, NY - Child Struck, Killed by Yeshiva School Bus [photos- Exclusive Video]

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Borough Park, NY - A child was seriously struck by a school bus on the way to school.

Hatzolah rushed to the scene of the accident requesting paramedics on a rush to 13th Avenue nd 49th Street.

But unfortunately the 5-year-old boy has succumbed to his injuries and was pronounced r"l dead. NYPD of the 66th Precinct are on the scene and Highway A.I.S. team are responding.

The school bus left the scene of the accident not realizing he hit a child but has since been located and stopped.

The child has been identified as Amrom Altman son of Mr. Avraham Meir Altman the owner of Mail Box on 49th Street.

The Levay’a will be held 2:30 PM in front of the Altman residents on 49th Street.

All photos - Video Credit: ShiaHD for VIN News


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1

 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:42 AM Anonymous Says:

BDE. Very sad. Which school bus and can a name be released already?

2

 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:44 AM Anonymous Says:

ANOTHER story of a child being harmed by a bus or car.......all the protests for childrens safety against BIKES, and I have YET to see a story of a child getting hurt by a passing biker...

3

 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:44 AM Kensington Thinker Says:

Gevald who's the boy,and from cheder?
Who was the bus driver.
BDE

4

 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:44 AM Momma Says:

How much more do we have to take? And please don't start with the finger pointing. This is another terrible tragedy for Klal Yisrael & I cry for the child's parents, family & friends. BD"E.

5

 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:50 AM leiby Says:

These poor parents sending there kid to cheder or school little does a person know hashem yeracheim

6

 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:50 AM SB Says:

BDE

7

 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Momma Says:

How much more do we have to take? And please don't start with the finger pointing. This is another terrible tragedy for Klal Yisrael & I cry for the child's parents, family & friends. BD"E.

Hashem Yeracheim

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:00 AM careful Says:

BDE please be extra careful and explain the dangers to kids

10

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:00 AM From Williamsburg Says:

I realy think that its time to designate at each and every corner to pick up the kids. Instead of the middle of the block that will save lots of lives. Burach Dyen Emes.

11

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

ANOTHER story of a child being harmed by a bus or car.......all the protests for childrens safety against BIKES, and I have YET to see a story of a child getting hurt by a passing biker...

Your a piece of filth.That's all you could say in such a tragedy,promote a agenda.

12

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:01 AM seating and craying Says:

I was seating on my couch babysiting my little boy, and I hear a noise from the outside my son tells me helycopter, so I said something most of happined, so thanks for vin I got the update right away, Iam siting and crying nebech a tinuk shlo taam cheth, we have to do teshuva this is not normal, my heart feels so bad for the pearnts and the child r"l, this is so paiinful, besuros tovos.

13

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:02 AM Tatty says Says:

Please all of klall yisroel let this be the moment that we should all improve in our weak points everyone knows what his improvements need to be done and it should be a zechus for this poor neshumela!

14

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:03 AM Anonymous Says:

BDE

15

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:03 AM numb Says:

oy riboinoy shel olam! what happened to the "marbin bsimcha????"

P.S.Please be extra careful with the ice outside! It is treacherous!

16

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:04 AM Anonymous Says:

oy tatte

17

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:05 AM menachem yehuda Says:

YOU are not the chofetz chaim so dont preach. please.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

ANOTHER story of a child being harmed by a bus or car.......all the protests for childrens safety against BIKES, and I have YET to see a story of a child getting hurt by a passing biker...

Yes, most bike accidents are not fatal and not as newsworthy, BH.
Your statement remains quite stupid and off point. There are probably more accidents caused per bike/mile than other vehicles. In the event that a licensed driver is responsible for an accident there are charges, no such thing even if you find the biker.

19

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:07 AM Anonymous Says:

time for the PARENTS teach the kids how to not get hit crossing the street cant blame the drivers all the time

20

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:07 AM tznia Says:

Thank you big masmid.
I'm sure ur the perfect masmid and only the woman are wrong in tznius.
True, tznius today is terrible but we sadly have too many wrong things going on between jews. I'm sure its you included.
Don't tell pple what to correct. You do what you have to and everyone should do what they have to.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:07 AM Anonymous Says:

O"H please stop. This mother and father are from the nicest and most tznius people you can find in BoroPark. Wake up go to the mirror and think for a minute if you did any good thing yesterday and then u can go do tshuva your self.

I must say some people have no common sense.

22

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:09 AM Anonymous Says:

BDE. Oy vey, very sad news.

23

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:09 AM Anonymous Says:

some more info please ?????

24

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Was it a 4 year old or 8 year old boy? Not that it makes a difference. Its a tremendous tragedy and may hashem give a lot of stregnth to the family of this boy to be able to cope with this now and forever. Does anyone know a name?

25

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:11 AM Dov Ber Gelb Says:

Boruch dayan Haemes, the family should have a yeshuah

26

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:12 AM Crying Says:

Rachmanus on all his family members and all of klal yisroel, one after the next, first martin g. then this, enough tragedies in a 24 hour period, תנצבה.

27

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:14 AM Anonymous Says:

no is not the time to blame other ppl we all have to know our self what needs to be improoved

28

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:14 AM Tipish Says:

Reply to #2
Where is your heart, thats all you could say, just dont post your stupidities.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
From Williamsburg Says:

I realy think that its time to designate at each and every corner to pick up the kids. Instead of the middle of the block that will save lots of lives. Burach Dyen Emes.

You got a point but you can't do it by the small children you can't take a child that is three years old and take him on a freezing day

30

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Does someone know who is this boy?

31

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:16 AM Anonymous Says:

whats the name of this family? which yeshiva?

32

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Was the black ice a factor here?
The black ice this night was the worse I saw in decades

33

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:18 AM Anonymous Says:

BDE...and I'd like to reiterate a school bus safey law;
(NY State Law)
Once stopped for a school bus, you may not drive again until the red lights stop flashing or when the bus driver or a traffic officer waves you on. This law applies on all roadways in New York State. You must stop for a school bus even if it is on the opposite side of a divided highway

34

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
menachem yehuda Says:

YOU are not the chofetz chaim so dont preach. please.

neither are you.... dont preach to those who are sincere!!!

35

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:19 AM Anonymous Says:

we should all be mischazek in torah and tefillah and may HKB"H have mercy on all of us.

36

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:19 AM Teacher Says:

The mothers' demands, that their child should be picked up right in front of her door, and only by the bus that belongs to the yeshiva that conforms to her husbands social believes; makes the whole commuting very dangerous.
It is miraculous, that tragedies aren't more common.

37

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:19 AM Anonymous Says:

BDE, The neshama should have a yeridah in to oylam haze with the coming of moshiach NOW!

38

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:25 AM Mommy & Bubbie Says:

Although we don't know the circumstances of this particular tragedy, the adult bus monitor should always get OFF the bus when the children are entering or leaving - the monitor should make a COMPLETE visual check that there are no precious kinderlach standing near the bus BEFORE the bus pulls away each and every time. And, if we have to pay a few more dollars for this, who could think of a better "investment" ? We must all insist on this policy beginning TODAY.......

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Teacher Says:

The mothers' demands, that their child should be picked up right in front of her door, and only by the bus that belongs to the yeshiva that conforms to her husbands social believes; makes the whole commuting very dangerous.
It is miraculous, that tragedies aren't more common.

"explain please"

40

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Yes!

This is something EVERYONE can do, and unfortunately today, this is something everyone can do greatly.

41

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:26 AM gevald Says:

BD"E, May Hashem send a nechuma to the family.

It is a miracle that there aren't more of these accidents. There are probably more buses in Boro Park during the 8-9 hour than there are in any one neighborhood in the US. There are many cheders and they all stop on every block. The drivers are in a BIG rush, they have to finish their route on time. Accidents are bound to happen.

Something needs to be done to remedy this madness. Why can't there be a program of pooling a few cheders together into one bus. This will take care of the traffic issues as well as make the streets safer for our kids.

42

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

BDE...and I'd like to reiterate a school bus safey law;
(NY State Law)
Once stopped for a school bus, you may not drive again until the red lights stop flashing or when the bus driver or a traffic officer waves you on. This law applies on all roadways in New York State. You must stop for a school bus even if it is on the opposite side of a divided highway

he was struck by the bus itself

43

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:26 AM School Bus Drivers Says:

would like to extend my heartfelt sorrow for the family of the boy who nebach woke up to a day full of joy and before they knew it was a sad day.

on the same note my heart goes out to the driver you cant imagine whats racing threw his mind at this time as much as we want to scream bus drivers should be more careful i know first hand that a lot of the frum bus drivers have been cautious and improved the safety.

dont know what exactly happened in this case possible negligence on the driver or that the kid just ran out in front of the bus.

44

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Please please drive carefully in the Boro Park Flatbush area as well as in all areas..These places are full of children going to and from their homes. These places are densely populated with poor roads and poor signage.

Lets all pray for this child.

45

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:31 AM jancsi Says:

improve youre brains and maybee you will be normal di shoite what in the world are you talking about idiot

46

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:32 AM Anonymous Says:

no one is to blame here. the kid nebach slipped on the ice and the driver didnt see him. he drove of not knowing he hit the poor neshama. if only people would think before they write unappropriate comments. dont blame parents or yeshivas or anyone here. it was a tragic accident.

47

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:32 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

ANOTHER story of a child being harmed by a bus or car.......all the protests for childrens safety against BIKES, and I have YET to see a story of a child getting hurt by a passing biker...

I am sorry but my son was hit by a biker when he came down of his bus and the red lights of the bus were flashing. I will complete the story. the biker and my son fell to the ground the biker did apologize but my son ran away and came home crying and sobbing i could not figure out what happened he was so shaken up from the shock till the bus monitor called to check how he is and he told me what happened.
I was impressed with the bus monitor so i called the office and gave a compliment of the bus monitor the bus manager told me these words "this is the third time this week that a bike stroke a child" so now you hipster biker go blow

48

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Teacher Says:

The mothers' demands, that their child should be picked up right in front of her door, and only by the bus that belongs to the yeshiva that conforms to her husbands social believes; makes the whole commuting very dangerous.
It is miraculous, that tragedies aren't more common.

whats your pont?

49

 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:52 AM tzibrochen Says:

bus from yeshiva darkei chaim under the auspices of grand rabbi yakov yosef halberstam shlita. child was student of that school.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
From Williamsburg Says:

I realy think that its time to designate at each and every corner to pick up the kids. Instead of the middle of the block that will save lots of lives. Burach Dyen Emes.

I agree it would be safer for the kinderlach. it will also get them to school faster and safely. Having the buses stop only on the corner at the end of the block will make sure that the children are at the stop on time and not wait for the bus driver to blow the horn for the mother to get her child ready. It will avoid the dangerous situation of the child running after the bus because the bus could not wait any more. It will also get the traffic moving a little faster, instead of having to take sometimes 10 minutes to get down a block.

52

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

BDE...and I'd like to reiterate a school bus safey law;
(NY State Law)
Once stopped for a school bus, you may not drive again until the red lights stop flashing or when the bus driver or a traffic officer waves you on. This law applies on all roadways in New York State. You must stop for a school bus even if it is on the opposite side of a divided highway

he was hit by a school bus not another car

53

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:39 AM Elie Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

BDE...and I'd like to reiterate a school bus safey law;
(NY State Law)
Once stopped for a school bus, you may not drive again until the red lights stop flashing or when the bus driver or a traffic officer waves you on. This law applies on all roadways in New York State. You must stop for a school bus even if it is on the opposite side of a divided highway

This boy was hit by a School Bus not by a car, but thanks for the reminder anyway.

54

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:40 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

Was it a 4 year old or 8 year old boy? Not that it makes a difference. Its a tremendous tragedy and may hashem give a lot of stregnth to the family of this boy to be able to cope with this now and forever. Does anyone know a name?

he was 5 and one of eight children

55

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:43 AM sayTehillim Says:

How many of the hatzolah members standing around stopped to say a kapitel tehillim?

56

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

O"H please stop. This mother and father are from the nicest and most tznius people you can find in BoroPark. Wake up go to the mirror and think for a minute if you did any good thing yesterday and then u can go do tshuva your self.

I must say some people have no common sense.

please lets not blame anybody in Klall Yisroel Ask Hashem to say letzuroseinu dy and may we be zoche to see only the goods and with our own fleishege EYES at all times

57

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:44 AM Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

58

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:44 AM a yiddishe mama Says:

Gut zul upheetan di imshildige kinderlich i cant imagine how the mother must feel inchodesh adar a month of simcha

59

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:51 AM Anonymous Says:

YOU are not a big masmid, YOU are a kleiner, kleiner fool.

60

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:52 AM Anonymous Says:

He was nebach killed bec. He slippede on ice. It is unfortunity a very normal occurrence in BP to slips on ice. Because so many people dont clean the sidewalk and even the city just shovels the snow to the side and people are falling all the time with tragic outcomes. Europeans and canadians who come here cant belive the sight of this , it is extremly dangerous , but very normal here like so many other things thats considered normal here but not in the rest of the world.

61

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:54 AM Anonymous Says:

can someone please tell me what really happened instead of all you peoples stupid comments .what wrong with this world!!

62

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:57 AM New Safety Rules Says:

We would like to start a new program were as all School Buses may stop on street corners only to pick up the children,

mothers stop whining cause it has worked in Flatbush for so many years most school buses pick up on the corners you can have 1 or 2 parents from the block who take turns every day to escort the kids

63

 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:58 AM Luke Says:

Reply to #41  
gevald Says:

BD"E, May Hashem send a nechuma to the family.

It is a miracle that there aren't more of these accidents. There are probably more buses in Boro Park during the 8-9 hour than there are in any one neighborhood in the US. There are many cheders and they all stop on every block. The drivers are in a BIG rush, they have to finish their route on time. Accidents are bound to happen.

Something needs to be done to remedy this madness. Why can't there be a program of pooling a few cheders together into one bus. This will take care of the traffic issues as well as make the streets safer for our kids.

I agree. It is the same thing in the greater Monsey area. You basically have to stay off the road between 7:30 and 8AM. The drivers speed and sometimes overshoot their stops. Too many buses for to many schools from too many different areas of the Town. A child was killed a few years back and every politician came out and said that "things would change". There has been no changed it actually is worse now since their seems to be a school on every other block. There has to be a better way.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Mommies- plse escort ur child to the bus even if he's alrdy 8 yrs old. Driver can't always see a short child but can see the mother rather.
Hashem shld watch over us all.

65

 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:00 AM Anonymous Says:

BDE Where is the boy now?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:02 AM HOPEFULLY A TRUE YIDDISHE MOTHER! Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

really!!!! wow u must really think well of yourself as a mother I'm sorry to tell you but i have worked with non jewish women and what did they all tell me that they were all jealous growing up seeing how the jewish women care so much for their kids...isnt it us having most of the kids why is that? You'll probably say out of pressure-NEWSFLASH: people dont have kids out of pressure we have kids bec. we know that they are our joy in life...can you say that about the non jewish women you see always yelling at the kids? Get your facts straight if you dont feel like your a good mother improve dont go linking this story nebach where the mother is prob. overshaken.....that she wasnt a yiddishe mama...its pple. like you that disgust me, dont judge people on what your lacking and your problems are....just do what you have to take care of your kids the right way do it for this mother that nebach lost her child....

67

 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Wait. You mean a 5 year old died because someone's skirt was too short?

68

 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:04 AM Mother Of Six Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

I guess you have your own guilt issues. Don't shower your guilt on to all the special Yidishe Mothers.

69

 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM boro park yid Says:

I am a forty years old person thrown off on the floor by a young bucher driving a bike on the sidewalk

Hashem should save us all this is to much for one day
First mr grossman then a mother of so many children dies of cancer after so many years of suffering and then this sudden accident

Hashem should help us all

70

 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

no one is to blame here. the kid nebach slipped on the ice and the driver didnt see him. he drove of not knowing he hit the poor neshama. if only people would think before they write unappropriate comments. dont blame parents or yeshivas or anyone here. it was a tragic accident.

ur one hundred percent true.....we should never hear of such tzaros!!! המקום ינחם אתכם בתוך שערי אבלי ציון וירושלים

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:07 AM Anonymous Says:

2-4 kids get killed a year by buses. it is an avoidable tragedy. for kids going to yeshiva in williamsburg or boro park, there is no need to pick them up in school buses. there are better ways to do it. the whole community should think about a better way. I have an idea, but its not the right time to discuss it. however, people should realize there is a better way, and accidents like these are avoidable.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:07 AM To #38 Says:

Wise words & common sense. The only way Yeshivas will institute this idea is if PARENTS DEMAND IT!

You pay enough for bus transportation (either private or in your taxes.) Don't be so apathetic about it. Treat this subject with the same attention as you do to making sure your kids' snack is healthy & kosher.

As for the rest of you hurling insults at each other...what is wrong with you? Can someone please explain why you feel it's so important to do this every time R"L a tragedy happens? Is it because you feel helpless & frustrated? So do something positive. VOLUNTEER! Say Tehillim. Take a single parent family under your wing. Invite an almoneh for Shabbos.

Channel your feelings for good. And please stop piling on the spiritual pain by your sinah.

73

 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:09 AM anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

can someone please tell me what really happened instead of all you peoples stupid comments .what wrong with this world!!

For once i agree everyone is so busy blaming everyone get over yourselves people just do what you have to teach your kids safety, watch them as much as you can...the rest we have to leave up to hashem!!!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

why are you being makatrig Yiddishe Mammes? cant you give them the benefit of the doubt!! these "None-Yiddishe Mamas" do not have a Yiddishe shtib with shabbos, yom tov, & simchas B"H all the time!! they have 1 or 2 kids and nothing else to do!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Maybe they need DESIGNATED STOP AREAS ONLY painted in BRIGHT YELLOW on the curb so EVERYONE will notice, respect and maybe saves lives. That poor little neshoma; only tears rights now, i feel awful for the family. [Personally, i feel the buses are too wild because they are on a tight schedule.]

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM get real Says:

kudos to #20 i couldnt put in words a response to that shallow minded #8 If the chofetz chaim was alive today im surre he would focus on "sinus chinum" most cases of "tznius" in Lakewood and other places happen as a effect and not the cause mainly by judgemental people like #8. Would love to know what yourr "pekalah "is.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

He was nebach killed bec. He slippede on ice. It is unfortunity a very normal occurrence in BP to slips on ice. Because so many people dont clean the sidewalk and even the city just shovels the snow to the side and people are falling all the time with tragic outcomes. Europeans and canadians who come here cant belive the sight of this , it is extremly dangerous , but very normal here like so many other things thats considered normal here but not in the rest of the world.

The boy did not slip on ice. Don't make up stories please.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:14 AM reply to 1 & 3 Says:

Reply to #3  
Kensington Thinker Says:

Gevald who's the boy,and from cheder?
Who was the bus driver.
BDE

Who is the driver? Very insensensitive, if it was you I wouldn't go post it so eveyone should point fingers on you. Hashem wanted this should happen & we don't understand why through whom. Hashem should give him the koach & moach to get through this the easiest possible

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #69  
boro park yid Says:

I am a forty years old person thrown off on the floor by a young bucher driving a bike on the sidewalk

Hashem should save us all this is to much for one day
First mr grossman then a mother of so many children dies of cancer after so many years of suffering and then this sudden accident

Hashem should help us all

Please, don't lump Grossman together with this pure innocent child and a tzadekes mother.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:15 AM HOPEFULLY A TRUE YIDDISHE MOTHER! Says:

Reply to #68  
Mother Of Six Says:

I guess you have your own guilt issues. Don't shower your guilt on to all the special Yidishe Mothers.

totally agree people who have an issue usually tend to push it on to others since they don't want to face their problems!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:17 AM elik Says:

An 8-year-old boy slipped on the ice in Brooklyn and fell in front of a bus that hit and killed him, horrified witnesses said.

The bus never slowed down.

A small red-and-black backpack lay in the middle of the Borough Park street Wednesday - just a few feet from a white sheet that had been carefully placed over the tiny corpse.

"He was only a kid - it's a crying shame," said Rocco Botta, who was working at a construction project just a block from the 8 a.m. accident at 13th Ave. and 49th St.

"I heard a commotion and saw a small boy just lying on the road," Botta, 55, said. "Someone had run him over."

A witness who saw the child's crushed body called 911, but a Hatzolah ambulance crew could not revive him, officials said.

Witnesses said they saw a bus leaving the scene moments before anyone noticed the mortally injured boy. It was not clear if the driver realized he had struck the child.

"The child was so small," said Botta, who lives in the Bronx. "The person who hit him may have thought it was snow and just kept going."

Cops scoured the area after the crash hunting for the fleeing vehicle, which one witness said appeared to be a school bus, police said.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:18 AM missurzooger Says:

who are you?? g-ds politzei?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

Tell me how this is helpful. Do you know this poor mother? Do you even know what's going on with your neighbors?

For G-d's sake, all of you SHUT UP & STOP BICKERING!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

O"H please stop. This mother and father are from the nicest and most tznius people you can find in BoroPark. Wake up go to the mirror and think for a minute if you did any good thing yesterday and then u can go do tshuva your self.

I must say some people have no common sense.

That is irrelavent. kol yisrael areivim zeh lazeh. It is not their immodesty that is the issue, rather the immodesty of the klal.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM Anonymous Says:

#8 you are a psycho! people like you come out of the woodworks after every tragedy, playing the blame game with people's feelings.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
From Williamsburg Says:

I realy think that its time to designate at each and every corner to pick up the kids. Instead of the middle of the block that will save lots of lives. Burach Dyen Emes.

i agree with #10 about designating one stop on the block rather than middle of the block.
i was behind a school bus in williamsburg last week and while i have no problem at all waiting i was surprised to see the school bus stop more than once on one block. i think the parents need to gather at one location for the block .
also, i am against publishing the name of the bus driver. he will be tortured enough by this for the rest of his life. he doesnt need his name published.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

That's ridiculous. Are you talking about yourself? Because i see things quite differently. "Yiddishe Mamas" kiss their child lovingly before they go onto the bus-usually safely, b"h. Besides we will not bother going into the details of delivering a family of 8-10 children to school on foot. Besides for getting at least SOME of the children to schhol late, i don't think it's safer. imagine what the streets of bp would look like.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:28 AM Toby Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

I was always wondering, why can't the love and the safety concerns of our children, over-ride our concerns for politics.
So many different buses in one block and they all make five or six stops. And its all because each family has certain yeshivahs that they can not send to, why? Because that leader and this leader, is fighting with one of his relatives, or many of his relatives.
Why do we care about their fights, we should care about our children's safety.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
sayTehillim Says:

How many of the hatzolah members standing around stopped to say a kapitel tehillim?

To the idiot who said the hatzolah members should have stopped to say tehillim. I hope they do stop when they are treating you. Dumbell...

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:29 AM Me Says:

The boy's name was Amrom Altman may his soul rest in peace with all Tzadikim in Gan Eiden and may Hashem heal his family from this terrible tragedy

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Daily news says that the boy slipped on ice and fell, his name was Amrom Altman may his pure Neshama have a an Aliyah and may Hashem heal his family from this teribble tragedy that has befallen them.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM OH GAVALD!!! Says:

Oh vay oh vay oh vay!!!!!! Me sheumar.leoilumo di yomar letsuroisiny di

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:41 AM Anonymous Says:

burich dayan huemes!! we should hear better news:
but where was the bus rabbi to watch the kid?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Does anyone know who the child was?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

Wait. You mean a 5 year old died because someone's skirt was too short?

Thank you!!! If I get any more tzniusdik, I will have to wear a burka.

Look, we all have what to work on and we know what it is: more chessed, less loshon hora, etc. But we can also make sure to be more careful with salting the ice, helping our kids at bus stops, etc. I think that will do more to help prevent tragic accidents than preaching to the choir about tznius. And this WAS a tragic accident. No one is to blame except, possibly, whoever should have salted the sidewalk or road better.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:44 AM Anonymous Says:

i dont know what to say its as sad as can be my heart is all broken we all cry its choidish udur wich is a month of simcha and happynes its to sad that we r going thru all this is such a short time yesterday with grossman today this lets hope and pray to hashem that nothing but the geula will be tomorow its very painfull we all have to do tshuvah nobody has the right to say that its because of this or that its because it was bashert to be like this this was a neshumah wich came down to this world to be mesaken somthing it finished its job and went beck up straight into gan eden clean and now the neshumeh is safe and sound in gan eden. whats on us do we have to take on our selfs somthing no exeptions and i will start with me... hareinu mekbel alei shloi ledaber be-emtzah hatfilah in the zechus for all of us and le ilu nishmas grossman and this little child may both neshumis have an aliyah in gan eden and we all shpuld be zoicheh to hear shofer shel moshiach very very soon umein

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM HENSUS Says:

Reply to #55  
sayTehillim Says:

How many of the hatzolah members standing around stopped to say a kapitel tehillim?

Waht an idiotic thing to say!

These people have a special place in Gan Eden...

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM enough grossman already Says:

Reply to #79  
Anonymous Says:

Please, don't lump Grossman together with this pure innocent child and a tzadekes mother.

Agreed!!! Let's have some perspective here...

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

BDE Where is the boy now?

He was nebach niftar. Name is Altman

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM Yiddishe Momma Says:

All of you who are mothers know that every morning when we send off our beloved children, we do it with our hearts on our sleeve. We look at the watch and think '"hopefully by now he/she should be in school where they are safe". Many buses circle around Boro Park in the hours of 8-10 & 3-5. We ought to notify the children time & time again of the dangers. And for those drivers who honk in the back of a halting bus, because you're so impatient, this is a lesson for you too.
Our hearts go out to the family.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:52 AM NYCbuff Says:

Reply to #55  
sayTehillim Says:

How many of the hatzolah members standing around stopped to say a kapitel tehillim?

all i can stay to you - is that you are a confirmed EDP - dont you think Hatzolah tried doing more then tehilem ??? -k-

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

I agree it would be safer for the kinderlach. it will also get them to school faster and safely. Having the buses stop only on the corner at the end of the block will make sure that the children are at the stop on time and not wait for the bus driver to blow the horn for the mother to get her child ready. It will avoid the dangerous situation of the child running after the bus because the bus could not wait any more. It will also get the traffic moving a little faster, instead of having to take sometimes 10 minutes to get down a block.

b.d.e. ./ I agree 100% with you , what you wrote are true facts.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

time for the PARENTS teach the kids how to not get hit crossing the street cant blame the drivers all the time

First they have to teach themselves. How about no Jay walking?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM The Truth Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

You got a point but you can't do it by the small children you can't take a child that is three years old and take him on a freezing day

Why not? Wouldn't you rather wrap up your kinderlach, walk to the end of the block to wait with all the other kinderlach, from all the other schools at a designated bus stop ( no parked cars) where they will be supervised (by parents from the block on a rota) until they know that the kids are safely on their school bus.
I think this should be immediately be instituted on every block in BP.
Boruch Dayan HoEmes.
From this sad situation we must act now to prevent any further tzoros.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:09 AM Anonymous Says:

I have another suggestion. Why not have one bus driving down each block and making multiple stops at different Yeshivos, instead of one Yeshiva bus stopping thirty times to pick up children and then dropping them off once.
Newsflash: accidents can happen at street corners, too, and it's hard and more dangerous for a parent to walk a kid to the corner when she's got a toddler or a baby or both to two along.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:10 AM bazorgta dad Says:

when i see heimishe bus drivers talking on phone while driving the bus my blood presure rises / they are driving our beloved kids and they are bussy talking on phone it takes away their ateention from seing kids slipering under the tires
bus drivers stop talking on phone !!!!!!!!!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:16 AM Anonymous Says:

To Big Masmid'

You are a big jerk and a busha for klal yisroel The next time this happens, c'v to one of your children, I'll remind you that the reason was your lack of midos and compassion and not because some stranger wasn;t dressed sufficiently tziniusdik for you.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:17 AM Anonymous Says:

My child went to yeshiva in Flatbush. We had to walk 2 blocks every day to get to the stop. We got up early and waited with all the other mothers. Right on the corner. One mother who had a load of kids would ask me to watch her child while she went home to get the rest of the kids ready for the next yeshiva. We all cooperated with one another. It works. One hand washes the other. The buses also move traffic faster if they only have one stop to make on a block instead of 10!! My heart goes ouit to the family of the little boy!! BDE

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:20 AM Anon Says:

#57 and #88: Are you stupid?? What are you suggesting - schools should work by area?? Everyone from this block sends to this school and the next block to that school?? That's the only way you'd have just one bus on each block - do you really think you're making sense??

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:23 AM DyLtzoroseinu Says:

Reply to #69  
boro park yid Says:

I am a forty years old person thrown off on the floor by a young bucher driving a bike on the sidewalk

Hashem should save us all this is to much for one day
First mr grossman then a mother of so many children dies of cancer after so many years of suffering and then this sudden accident

Hashem should help us all

You need a serious tune-up.

That you can begin to compare Grossman to this innocent 5 yr. old shows how much help you need.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:23 AM what a big mouth!! Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

WHO ARE YOU AND WHERE DID U COME FROM????!!!
keep ur senseless hurtfull foolish comments to yourself!! you are wrong VERY wrong and if your a bad mother go get help!! Dont blame the innocent mother aspecialy not at a time like this!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:26 AM Babishka Says:

Terrible, terrible loss. May the family be comforted and we should have no more sorrow.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM Anonymous Says:

What a tragedy!!

I think that the transit is very NOT ORGANIZED we should designate a non parking space on every block for the buses to stop there.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:29 AM Anonymous Says:

The Lvaya will be 2:30 in front of there house

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:29 AM Teary Eyed Says:

To #55-
What a moronic thing to write-
Think about the toll this call took on the numerous members who frantically tried to save a little boy's life-
Many of us have kids at home too who we send to yeshiva every morning-
when a call comes out for a child, we go into overdrive- we do EVERYTHING possible to help-

Instead of Blogging, take out YOUR Tehilim, and start from the beginning and catch up to at least todays (Daled, you Moron) and keep your stupid comments to yourself-

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:37 AM Anonymous Says:

To all who suggest that buses should only stop on the corners, I suggest that you wait on the corner for 5-20 minutes with baby's and sick kids in the heat, or rain or freezing cold...then we can sit down and talk....

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
menachem yehuda Says:

YOU are not the chofetz chaim so dont preach. please.

preaching is not only reserved for chofetz chaims .

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Why can't we just accept that "accidents happen" because children are children and sometime act carelessly or a driver with a fus full of screaming kids was negligent for a moment or whatever, and NOT try to blame the Ebeshter, the schoolbus rav, the absence of a mikvah nearby, the lack of tzinius in the community etc. Bad stuff happens for no reason we will ever understand and stop trying to find somone to blame.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Was the child about to go on the bus that ran him over? School buses and vans should have doors on each side of the bus so children don't need to go into the street.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:47 AM formally Says:

tragic story,

but instead of blame (sometime it is what it is an accident).and there is no one (even the driver) to blame. Accidents happen.

the best one can do is consult a school bus safety expert, (I am sure there are people like that) that studies school bus accidents from all over the country what a community can do to increase safety or things that can be implement to prevent such tragedies.



(I do not know why this was mentioned but since it was I will comment about bikes) so if you do not want to read don't

first cyclist can be charged and do when they hit someone if they where reckless and even with negligent homicide.

To the mother who son who was hit by a bike. Yes the guy was a jerk but you cannot say that about other cyclist. That is wrong, and what prejudice is. Would you agree that I can say all chussids are jerks since one cut me off while I was cycling an i almost fell. That is not fair for me to say and should not be for you.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

Really now??? How about checking out the latest on 1010wins where a father states "he threw his child off the bridge"... Now that's called kissing the child goodbye no?????

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

time for the PARENTS teach the kids how to not get hit crossing the street cant blame the drivers all the time

are you a driver? did you hit already a child? of course we have to teach our children how to cross the street but have a little pity right now and think that it was planned by Hashem and we do not understand why it is happening!!!!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to 101 and 55 dear 101 there is nothing more than tehillim that's what Dovid hamelech askt for but to 55, 101 is correct what a dumb statement don't you think the zechus of hatzalah and the sechar of each and every one of there members is unimaginable and it'd bekoach to break thrue any gezeirah it's there job to do gods work of being matzil nefashos and mechayeh masim it's your job to say tehillim that they succeed maybe this way moshiach will finely arive and we will have an end to our tzaros

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #116  
Anonymous Says:

To all who suggest that buses should only stop on the corners, I suggest that you wait on the corner for 5-20 minutes with baby's and sick kids in the heat, or rain or freezing cold...then we can sit down and talk....

I agree with you 100%. From a mom's prospective and being realistic....

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:00 PM Anonymous Says:

I dont think that anyone here has an idea or a clue what the reasoning behind this is, but I do think that we should all together be mispallel for the coping of the parents & the family, besides that I think that each & everyone can add some good doings which should only be between themselfs & Hashem, there is no reason to preach what so ever for us to anyone else when each & every person has enough of their own bagage

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Mi sheomar Leoloma Dy yomar litzorasainu DY................

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:04 PM Rachmanus! Says:

Big Problem in our community! People are not educated to respect the streets! The rabonim need to force people to cross at crosswalks, and not stand in the gutters or jump across the street whenever they see a way over. Start honking your horn at jaywalkers, it's a mitzva to scold them!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

you look like a torn soul.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
School Bus Drivers Says:

would like to extend my heartfelt sorrow for the family of the boy who nebach woke up to a day full of joy and before they knew it was a sad day.

on the same note my heart goes out to the driver you cant imagine whats racing threw his mind at this time as much as we want to scream bus drivers should be more careful i know first hand that a lot of the frum bus drivers have been cautious and improved the safety.

dont know what exactly happened in this case possible negligence on the driver or that the kid just ran out in front of the bus.

really a good point and if there were other children on the bus...

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Tatti, Tattele!

Please send our Moshiach!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:15 PM Tov pizza on 13th ave Says:

we all have to drive carefully we drive crazy in boro park!!!! Unfortunately this unfortunate tragedy accident we must give each other curtesy to each other while we driving please thank you.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
sayTehillim Says:

How many of the hatzolah members standing around stopped to say a kapitel tehillim?

why r u busy about hatzala saying tehillim u moron! where were u this morning???? empty head!!!
listen to urself talking!!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #121  
Anonymous Says:

Really now??? How about checking out the latest on 1010wins where a father states "he threw his child off the bridge"... Now that's called kissing the child goodbye no?????

I agree one hundred percent. the idea that non-jewish mothers give more of themselves than yiddishe mamas is absurd - shame on you

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

you're watching too much tv

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:25 PM Anonymous Says:

I am so bothered by the picture! How in the world can a man stand 5 feet from the body and just smoke a cigeratte?!? Where is some emotion?? Am I the only person thimking this?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:31 PM Mrs Fisch Says:

T #57 Rivky, just out of curiousity, how is it that you have had so much time on lyour hands to visit every Yiddishe household and taken a poll how their children are being sent to school?

What is WRONG with you???

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:41 PM Mrs Fisch Says:

#55 HUH? -what would you like them to do when someone has an emergency? "Hold on, we are busy saying Tehillim. Call us back in 20 minutes if you're still alive"

?!?!?

There's no end to the Chessed that is Hatzala. iF you can't see it, there's a serious problem.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

I am so bothered by the picture! How in the world can a man stand 5 feet from the body and just smoke a cigeratte?!? Where is some emotion?? Am I the only person thimking this?

Hopefully!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

I am so bothered by the picture! How in the world can a man stand 5 feet from the body and just smoke a cigeratte?!? Where is some emotion?? Am I the only person thimking this?

Now that you point it out...no. But to be fair....ummm....

I don't know what to say.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #132  
Anonymous Says:

why r u busy about hatzala saying tehillim u moron! where were u this morning???? empty head!!!
listen to urself talking!!!

Why are they standing around the body, smoking?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM brooklyn Says:

the issue with black ice is/was terrible. i see how much our dear Michael Bloomberg which gave himself a couple of more years to 'take care' of Brooklyn has done for the good. WHY didnt they ice the streets (instead of producing more bike lanes), especially the gutters??...it is treacherous to drive...i skidded twice yesterday...could be the driver of the bus slipped too. grievances to the family, and baruch dayan emes...hope never to hear such news again.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

I am so bothered by the picture! How in the world can a man stand 5 feet from the body and just smoke a cigeratte?!? Where is some emotion?? Am I the only person thimking this?

you could be dan lkaf zechus. there are people that smoke more when they are upset.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:07 PM utza eitza Says:

every block should have a designated spot for pickup and drop off - and t make it simple - just strectch the no parking by the fire hydrants and let that be the school bus zone drop off and pick up spot

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #100  
Yiddishe Momma Says:

All of you who are mothers know that every morning when we send off our beloved children, we do it with our hearts on our sleeve. We look at the watch and think '"hopefully by now he/she should be in school where they are safe". Many buses circle around Boro Park in the hours of 8-10 & 3-5. We ought to notify the children time & time again of the dangers. And for those drivers who honk in the back of a halting bus, because you're so impatient, this is a lesson for you too.
Our hearts go out to the family.

Why is this a lesson for people who honk their horns? This is an ACCIDENT....a child ran/fell/slipped into the road, basically under a bus, and he had no supervision or adult (why was he alone on a city street?) to alert the bus driver of what happened.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:18 PM Anonymous Says:

First of all Condolensces to the family of this pure neshomoh. we all should stop & think for a minute what it means to be a bus driver in BP where even red flashing lights are ignored by reckless drivers trying to get to their respective destinations in record time. We all should be VERY thankful to these people who take our childrens safety into their hands each & every morning (with a prayer to HaShem I'm sure). It is time for all to do some inner thinking & maybe take it upon ourselves as drivers to give the bus drivers the time & courtesy to make pick ups of our pure yiddishe neshomos safely.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:21 PM H Medic Says:

To the moron who suggested that Hatzolah should stop and say Tehilim. Please give me your name and mother's name. I'd like to say Tehilim for you.

Idiot.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:24 PM She's not Jewish Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

Don't know why you picked a name like rivky. You name should be some Goyishe name whom you idolize.

In fact the fact that idolize the goyim and feel opposite about Yidden proves that you are most likely not Jewish.

A real Yid speaks like a Yid.

You speak like a Goy'te.

If it look like a Horse and Smells like a horse it most likely IS a real horse.

If you idolize like a Goy and Speak like a Goy and criticize Yidden like a Goy, in all likelihood you must be a Goy.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:29 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:

We, unfortunatelly, have had similar tragedies in Monsey. It is imperative that a parent or responsible adult take each child by the hand from the house to the bus. I cringe every time I see a little pitchinkeh run by himself or herself from his door to the bus.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:31 PM cant take it Says:

Reply to #106  
bazorgta dad Says:

when i see heimishe bus drivers talking on phone while driving the bus my blood presure rises / they are driving our beloved kids and they are bussy talking on phone it takes away their ateention from seing kids slipering under the tires
bus drivers stop talking on phone !!!!!!!!!!

I agree wth u 100%. There r time that I wish I can call the police on them. we gve u our most precios gems and u have to treat them like one. I thnk instead of bashing each other here we should ea take upon to do some shmiras haloshon. I am starting and taking the hour of 5pm till 6pm anyone joining me????!!!!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:31 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

I am so bothered by the picture! How in the world can a man stand 5 feet from the body and just smoke a cigeratte?!? Where is some emotion?? Am I the only person thimking this?

Maybe he was so disturbed by the situation that he needed a smoke to calm himself. What would you have done?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

I am so bothered by the picture! How in the world can a man stand 5 feet from the body and just smoke a cigeratte?!? Where is some emotion?? Am I the only person thimking this?

You are clearly not a smoker. It is habitual and a stimulant, and to say he is not grieving because he was smoking is grossly irresponable. How 'bout you mind your own?.....worry about the boy and his family, not the bystanders.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:33 PM City of NY should be Sued Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

The death is a direct result of the failure of Bloomberg to remove the ice and snow.

Not only is this Bloomberg's fault by his negligence of not removing the snow, it is much worse than just negligence.

The boy slipped on the snow and ice PILED UP deliberately by Bloomberg's satiation workers who BEMEZID and BEYADYIM have caused this accident by deliberately manually pilling up the snow very high to sides of the street instead of total removal as it is done in Montreal Canada and in other places.

Bloomberg should be indited on Manslaughter for having caused this needless death.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 02:12 PM Be Mispalel for Moshiach Says:

Some say that no matter what you do you can't bring back the little child.

Actually we can bring him back through Techiyas Hamesim if Moshiach comes today it could even be today and right now

Let's all be Mispalel for Moshiach now.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 01:35 PM Anonymous Says:

leavya 230 49st 13 14

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 02:16 PM LES Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

BDE...and I'd like to reiterate a school bus safey law;
(NY State Law)
Once stopped for a school bus, you may not drive again until the red lights stop flashing or when the bus driver or a traffic officer waves you on. This law applies on all roadways in New York State. You must stop for a school bus even if it is on the opposite side of a divided highway

This is certainly tragic; but news reports say the child was killed in an accident involving the actual school bus, not a car illegally passing the bus: the 4 year-old apparently slipped on ice, fell under the bus, and was run over by the unsuspecting driver.
And why not allow people to post their concerns involving bus safety? What's the safety record of this school bus company? What about the safety record of the bus driver? These are all legitimate questions if tragedies like this are to be prevented in the future.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Baruch Dayan Hames. I send my son to this yeshiva and then bus driver and monitor on my son's route are extremely kind, pleasant and always extra cautious. He waits and calls and never leaves my son until I am there. Mistakes happen and we are all human. Please don't point any fingers or blame anyone. This is all from Hashem. We all have a lesson to learn from.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 02:58 PM Urgent Suggestion Says:

Unfortunately, it's too late for this case. However, we should set up a site for Safety of School Buses, where people should be able to post anonymously any serious Driving Infraction by Naming the Name and/or Number of the Bus and report specific Violation, such as (i) Speeding; (ii) Wreckless Driving; (iii) Passing a Red Light; etc.

I am sure that this would make a very big improvement on the Driver's Quality and the Safety of our children.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 03:00 PM Anonymous Says:

If anyone's gonna point fingers point it at the mayor of NYC. Any reason our streets look so hideous. THe clean up from this snow week was horrendous. Manhattan you can be assured doesn't look anything like this.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 03:41 PM Anonymous Says:

I have seen this yeshivas bus stop in front of my house many times to pick up and drop off children. The driver is extremely cautious and careful. There is a Rebbe chaperone on the bus, who actually comes off the bus and gets back on when all the kids are on the bus already. I don't know the exact details of what actually happened today - like the rest of you - It would do all of us much good to try to improve our own way of getting the kids on and off the buses. It doesn't hurt to review the bus safety rules. As for all the rest of the gibberish spouted here, all of you who have nothing better to do, go get a life. There are people who could use your assistance. Use your time more constructively than just finding fault of others.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 03:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #116  
Anonymous Says:

To all who suggest that buses should only stop on the corners, I suggest that you wait on the corner for 5-20 minutes with baby's and sick kids in the heat, or rain or freezing cold...then we can sit down and talk....

Then get an older boy or girl to walk the younger one and wait at the stop. Sometimes we do hv to stand in the rain on the corner but that is what we do. It IS our job as mothers isnt it?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 03:56 PM Mother Says:

Reply to #116  
Anonymous Says:

To all who suggest that buses should only stop on the corners, I suggest that you wait on the corner for 5-20 minutes with baby's and sick kids in the heat, or rain or freezing cold...then we can sit down and talk....

Just yesterday as I walked my 5 yr old son I spoke to him about the large snow piles that were taller than he was and how a car could not see him if he was standing behind it and then ran out into the street. I tried to put a fear of ice/snow piles into him - my husband says I am nuts - maybe. Bottom line - we B'H hv little kinderlach whose precious neshamas are always a hairbreadth away from a speeding car. And when that car hits your kid - your life is forever changed. period. Could this hv been avoided - yes. But when your kinderlach are outside of the house there is always a clear and present danger of this type of tragedy. if we are not ALWAYS focused on it we are more lkely to suffer such a tragedy. there will always be a risk and we can only turn to HKB when this happens. BDE.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 04:02 PM tragedy Says:

Its a horrible tragedy however you look at it however when incidences happen like this the community is responsible to examine the events that took place leading up to this tragedy it is not finger pointing its is doing something constructive so we can hopefully work together to implement safety measures that can narrow the chances of something like this happening again that being said the school buses in boro park are generally very aggressively driven and that is just one key to a much larger picture that has to be examined from ground up

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 04:08 PM ConfusedYid Says:

How is one to understand this tragedy and still be marbim b'simcha as is customary this time of the year. Serious replies, please.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 04:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

BDE Where is the boy now?

Olam HaEmet. BDE.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 04:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #152  
City of NY should be Sued Says:

The death is a direct result of the failure of Bloomberg to remove the ice and snow.

Not only is this Bloomberg's fault by his negligence of not removing the snow, it is much worse than just negligence.

The boy slipped on the snow and ice PILED UP deliberately by Bloomberg's satiation workers who BEMEZID and BEYADYIM have caused this accident by deliberately manually pilling up the snow very high to sides of the street instead of total removal as it is done in Montreal Canada and in other places.

Bloomberg should be indited on Manslaughter for having caused this needless death.

you really are crazy. I am sure the sanitation workers said let's pile up snow so a little kid could die.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 04:41 PM Yiddishe mama indeed Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

Hashem should heal the hate in your heart and not judge or punish you for being so heartless and condemning of other devoted "yiddishe mamas". You have a lot of forgeviness to ask for.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 04:50 PM OY! Says:

Reply to #57  
Rivky Says:

We pride ourselves with the term "Yiddishe Mama".

But in reality, it is the "Non-Yiddishe Mama", who gets all her children dressed every morning and they all walk togethr to various schools, and in front of the school building she kisses her children good-bye.

While they are walking to school, the Yiddishe mother is on the phone explaining to a friend how the bus has to come into the block, special for her child, because she can't send to another school because of some politics.

Oy dear brothers and sisters. Isn't it time we see that unfortunately not all tragedies have a rhyme or a reason? Don't be so eager to blame. The poor mother like thousands of other mothers did as she should. She woke, dressed and sent her son off to cheder with a kiss... The poor busdriver like thousands of busdrivers did as he should. He devotedly went about his daily route taking yiddishe yingelech to cheder... The poor boy like thousands of other boys did as he should. He happily ran to his bus... And Hashem on His mighty throne had a different plan... Lets daven that Moshiach should come and redeem us.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 04:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

He was nebach killed bec. He slippede on ice. It is unfortunity a very normal occurrence in BP to slips on ice. Because so many people dont clean the sidewalk and even the city just shovels the snow to the side and people are falling all the time with tragic outcomes. Europeans and canadians who come here cant belive the sight of this , it is extremly dangerous , but very normal here like so many other things thats considered normal here but not in the rest of the world.

It's the city, not BP. The child slipped on city property. We get tickets, they get tax dollars and fail to clean their property.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 04:53 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #152  
City of NY should be Sued Says:

The death is a direct result of the failure of Bloomberg to remove the ice and snow.

Not only is this Bloomberg's fault by his negligence of not removing the snow, it is much worse than just negligence.

The boy slipped on the snow and ice PILED UP deliberately by Bloomberg's satiation workers who BEMEZID and BEYADYIM have caused this accident by deliberately manually pilling up the snow very high to sides of the street instead of total removal as it is done in Montreal Canada and in other places.

Bloomberg should be indited on Manslaughter for having caused this needless death.

Where did u practice law that u feel Bloomberg is responsible for this tragedy.?
Don't you believe that on Rosh Hashono this was all written and stamped by Yom Kipper..This child was a heilige neshume where his parents had the zechiye to have him till hashem took him back to his heichel hatzadikim....Lets not blame any one and undertake to learn a peirek or mesechte mishnayis for the boys neshume..May hashem give his parents the koyech to be able to handle this tragic loss and comfort tehm with the rst of the family....

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 06:42 PM Great Suggestion... Says:

Reply to #105  
Anonymous Says:

I have another suggestion. Why not have one bus driving down each block and making multiple stops at different Yeshivos, instead of one Yeshiva bus stopping thirty times to pick up children and then dropping them off once.
Newsflash: accidents can happen at street corners, too, and it's hard and more dangerous for a parent to walk a kid to the corner when she's got a toddler or a baby or both to two along.

This suggestion is decades old. R' Akiva Zilberberg A"H (founder of Yagdil Torah, and President and founder of the original Community Council) proposed this. His purpose was to save the YEshivas thousands of dollars and to help minimize traffic caused by all these buses.
The larger mosdos basically agreed to the proposition, it was the smaller yeshivas that disagreed. They wanted to have buses with their name and the name of their chassidus floating around Boro Park. Talk about idiots.
Maybe it is now time to bring it up again - and have it work!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 06:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #116  
Anonymous Says:

To all who suggest that buses should only stop on the corners, I suggest that you wait on the corner for 5-20 minutes with baby's and sick kids in the heat, or rain or freezing cold...then we can sit down and talk....

Of course, the mothers on the block can each do it on a rotating basis. Something like the way carpools are done in places where there are no busses. You will be responsible for one day a week, or once every two weeks, but the kids are safely supervised every day.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 06:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

Yes, most bike accidents are not fatal and not as newsworthy, BH.
Your statement remains quite stupid and off point. There are probably more accidents caused per bike/mile than other vehicles. In the event that a licensed driver is responsible for an accident there are charges, no such thing even if you find the biker.

this is not the place to say so but per person per mile, the car is the most dangerous of all modes of transportation. We should learn to be careful around all things that can cause accidents.
We should only share in simchos. May there be no more tragedies among klal yisroel.
BDE

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 07:04 PM j s Says:

Reply to #10  
From Williamsburg Says:

I realy think that its time to designate at each and every corner to pick up the kids. Instead of the middle of the block that will save lots of lives. Burach Dyen Emes.

u have a point but u have to understand a mother that has a 6 month baby sleeping in the house do u want her to leave him ther to take the 4 year old child to the croner and wait aprox 5 to 10 min.if not longer for a bus

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 07:37 PM Elki Says:

There are no words to express when faced with such a horrific tragedy. Only Hashem has the koach to bring nechamah to this family. BDE.
In the video the reporter said that no charges are being filed against the driver. Why aren't charges being brought against the City, or District that didn't clean up the snow and allowed sheets of ice on the ground, that this poor little boy slipped on when rushing to the bus.
The politicians are guilty not the driver, who must be in shock himself.
May we only read good news. Enough of tzarros.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:03 PM yoine Says:

i can say for sure, that non of the streets in b.p. got salt, except for the ave.
i urge you Mr. mayor to: at least put some salt in the corners please. thank you

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

He was nebach killed bec. He slippede on ice. It is unfortunity a very normal occurrence in BP to slips on ice. Because so many people dont clean the sidewalk and even the city just shovels the snow to the side and people are falling all the time with tragic outcomes. Europeans and canadians who come here cant belive the sight of this , it is extremly dangerous , but very normal here like so many other things thats considered normal here but not in the rest of the world.

ice in bp is horrific!!!! when i pass a house or even a store on 13th Ave. that dont have the responsibilities to shovel snow?? rochmuna litzlon!!! does it take yourself or a close friend or family member to get hurt so u can shovel the snow??? a few minutes of shovling and salting when not done is pure negligence and causes pain or a life. Same goes to NYC. the way they clean and how long it takes to clean the roads is unacceptable!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:05 PM Yossi Says:

I have spoken to many yeshiveh administrators that every yeshiveh in BP ,Wmsbg.and other yidishe communities MUST arrange a yearly traing conference with all BUS drivers to hear the latest updates on safety rules and how to avoid those tragedies...We mamesh see it every day how "Shomer hashem Pesoyim" that hashem watches us every second of the day...BUS drivers have such a responsibility to drive and also watch over those small kinderlech..I see some drivers chatting away on cell phones or listening to CDs while driving..Some drive very irresponsible...When you see a driver not driving safely take the bus number and call the yeshiveh transportation manager...My einikel almost was run over 3 weeks ago due to drivers negligence and i called the yeshiveh and the driver was FIRED..
We need more and better training for those drivers and of course every parent should say a few kepitlech tehilim every morning ...Besires Toyves...

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #170  
Yossi Says:

Where did u practice law that u feel Bloomberg is responsible for this tragedy.?
Don't you believe that on Rosh Hashono this was all written and stamped by Yom Kipper..This child was a heilige neshume where his parents had the zechiye to have him till hashem took him back to his heichel hatzadikim....Lets not blame any one and undertake to learn a peirek or mesechte mishnayis for the boys neshume..May hashem give his parents the koyech to be able to handle this tragic loss and comfort tehm with the rst of the family....

What you say applies to everything and the Torah still requires us to watch our ox and fence our roofs. As Rasi explains that while the hurt person was meant to be hurt, we are still responsible to be careful not be the venue from where others may be hurt.

It's clear as day that the ice in Brooklyn has not been cleared and the only one repoonsible, is Bloomberg.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #170  
Yossi Says:

Where did u practice law that u feel Bloomberg is responsible for this tragedy.?
Don't you believe that on Rosh Hashono this was all written and stamped by Yom Kipper..This child was a heilige neshume where his parents had the zechiye to have him till hashem took him back to his heichel hatzadikim....Lets not blame any one and undertake to learn a peirek or mesechte mishnayis for the boys neshume..May hashem give his parents the koyech to be able to handle this tragic loss and comfort tehm with the rst of the family....

Shame on Bloomber, the streets in BP are atrocious.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:27 PM heimisher says Says:

BDE ,very sad heartbreaking,that this happened ,mother have to take more responsibilities ,yes i walk the streets i see that there 3 or 4 year old kids ,they cant even walk up to the bus and the mothers don't even bother ,they are on the phone ,extremely busy with everything else but what they should be busy with ,i am not saying that this was in this case all that Iam saying from now on please please its your responsibility ,not fathers,teachers ,drivers. besiros tovus

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Every school bus should have a supervisor to take care of the children going on the bus or comming off the bus ! It is irresponsible to live kids unattended on a bus, the driver is a driver , he has to pay attention on the road !

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:53 PM Yossi Says:

Forgot to mention on my previous comments that mothers are always seen chatting on their cell phones while waiting for their bus to arrive and talk while uploading them on to the bus...Talking on cell phones distracts any person from being responsible for their dear children..The driver can only be held responsible for the time the kid is on the bus but the mother MUST be very careful from her door to the bus door....Please do NOT talk on cell or portable phones while attending to your kids.....

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 08:58 PM Anonymous Says:

There should be buses that should park properly on every corner in Boro Park just like in the Flatbush area for safety. It is ridiculous that there are buses everywhere from 9-5.30 everyday non-stop!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:29 PM Friend Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

Wait. You mean a 5 year old died because someone's skirt was too short?

Nebech, you completely lost the point,stop being sarcastic and I thinhk you missed the boat, wake up, do teshuva for you don't know how much longer you've got here!!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:33 PM friend Says:

Reply to #168  
OY! Says:

Oy dear brothers and sisters. Isn't it time we see that unfortunately not all tragedies have a rhyme or a reason? Don't be so eager to blame. The poor mother like thousands of other mothers did as she should. She woke, dressed and sent her son off to cheder with a kiss... The poor busdriver like thousands of busdrivers did as he should. He devotedly went about his daily route taking yiddishe yingelech to cheder... The poor boy like thousands of other boys did as he should. He happily ran to his bus... And Hashem on His mighty throne had a different plan... Lets daven that Moshiach should come and redeem us.

Thank you for your eye opening comments. We should all learn something from this, and NOT finger pointing at others. Yasherchoyech.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 09:34 PM Anonymous Says:

This is a sad day. I pray that the God gives peace to the mother's grieving heart and also to the family. I don't believe that anyone woke up the morning of the accident with intentions to harm a child, but I do believe that irresponsibility played a major role. Blame will not give the grieving woman her child back but finding the root cause and addressing this can prevent others from such a tragedy. Some say that the Mayor is to blame but I as a pedestrian walking through this community have noticed how extremely dangerous and reckless these bus drivers drive. Just last week I had a conversation with another pedestrian about the way a particular bus driver was letting kids off a bus. He slammed his breaks to stop then sped off like a nascar driver. I have witnessed MANY of these bus drivers driving like so. Many. Bloomberg may be a good target during the snow season but who will be targeted when there is no snow? Peace to all

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #178  
Yossi Says:

I have spoken to many yeshiveh administrators that every yeshiveh in BP ,Wmsbg.and other yidishe communities MUST arrange a yearly traing conference with all BUS drivers to hear the latest updates on safety rules and how to avoid those tragedies...We mamesh see it every day how "Shomer hashem Pesoyim" that hashem watches us every second of the day...BUS drivers have such a responsibility to drive and also watch over those small kinderlech..I see some drivers chatting away on cell phones or listening to CDs while driving..Some drive very irresponsible...When you see a driver not driving safely take the bus number and call the yeshiveh transportation manager...My einikel almost was run over 3 weeks ago due to drivers negligence and i called the yeshiveh and the driver was FIRED..
We need more and better training for those drivers and of course every parent should say a few kepitlech tehilim every morning ...Besires Toyves...

How about mothers taking your child by the hand to walk them up the steps on the bus and down the steps to come home. I am a mother. I do not expect the monitor to take my child on and off. That is my job and honor. There are women out there who pray for the day when they may be priviledge to do just this.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #184  
Anonymous Says:

There should be buses that should park properly on every corner in Boro Park just like in the Flatbush area for safety. It is ridiculous that there are buses everywhere from 9-5.30 everyday non-stop!

the idea that buses stop 5 and more times on one street to stop at numerous houses exists only in Boro Park Ir HaKodesh. It is rude and makes people late when they have appointments to attend. Have the buses stop at corners and designate different mothers to rotate the watch each day. Your Goites are cleaning the house at that time anyway.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #174  
j s Says:

u have a point but u have to understand a mother that has a 6 month baby sleeping in the house do u want her to leave him ther to take the 4 year old child to the croner and wait aprox 5 to 10 min.if not longer for a bus

Then don't have babies if your older child's life is in peril. Nuff said!!

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Can someone please explain to me what a 4 year old, almost 5 is doing alone behind a bus, slipping on the ice where the bus driver can't see him??????

Am I the only one that thinks a 4 year old should not be crossing the street by himself? I am not looking to blame someone but I am looking to make a point and teach some basic safety facts to schools and adults. There needs to be monitors at the schools and the buses to help children cross the street and get the kids safely to and from school. That goes for parents as well. Please be realistic about what is the proper age that children be crossing the street alone, and take weather conditions into consideration. If it is not safe to send them out alone don't send them.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #190  
Anonymous Says:

Then don't have babies if your older child's life is in peril. Nuff said!!

No, let the father work it out with the mother, or let the mother hire an older student to pick up her kids and take them to the bus. Or better yet, keep the 4 year old at home if he can't be taken safely to school.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #188  
Anonymous Says:

How about mothers taking your child by the hand to walk them up the steps on the bus and down the steps to come home. I am a mother. I do not expect the monitor to take my child on and off. That is my job and honor. There are women out there who pray for the day when they may be priviledge to do just this.

There is nothing wrong with fathers getting involved with this as well. Carpool if you have to and don't put them on the bus.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:41 PM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

"explain please"

Simple. #36 is a stupid, farbissener, hopeless loser who wants to blame the mother for her child's death. Ignore him.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:45 PM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #55  
sayTehillim Says:

How many of the hatzolah members standing around stopped to say a kapitel tehillim?

How did you have time to write such a stupid comment if you were busy saying tehillim?

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:56 PM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

I am so bothered by the picture! How in the world can a man stand 5 feet from the body and just smoke a cigeratte?!? Where is some emotion?? Am I the only person thimking this?

No, I doubt you are thinking at all.

Smokers use smoking to deal with stress.

On the other hand, idiots relieve stress by blogging with complaints about smoking rescue workers.

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 Feb 17, 2010 at 11:58 PM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #137  
Mrs Fisch Says:

#55 HUH? -what would you like them to do when someone has an emergency? "Hold on, we are busy saying Tehillim. Call us back in 20 minutes if you're still alive"

?!?!?

There's no end to the Chessed that is Hatzala. iF you can't see it, there's a serious problem.

There is also no end to the stupidity of people who are looking to criticize hatzalah or anyone else who is at least trying to help klal yisroel.

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 Feb 18, 2010 at 12:04 AM Richard Nixon Says:

Reply to #149  
cant take it Says:

I agree wth u 100%. There r time that I wish I can call the police on them. we gve u our most precios gems and u have to treat them like one. I thnk instead of bashing each other here we should ea take upon to do some shmiras haloshon. I am starting and taking the hour of 5pm till 6pm anyone joining me????!!!!!

If you believe that by talking on a cell phone while driving a school bus endangers the children (as I do too) why not call the police??? The driver is a rodaif.

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 Feb 18, 2010 at 03:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Today I cried because a Yiddishe child passed away. I cried because a family is in terrible pain. I cried because a driver will have to live with pain every day. I cried because the month of Adar has started off with a terrible tragedy.
Now I cry that it has led to name calling, blaming, loshon hara, and hurtful words.
Maybe VIN should do away with these message boards?
Surely, it is not worth creating a forum where one Yid insults or blames another.
What a terrible tragedy occurred today. Let's try to do the right thing and be a source of nachas to the Ribbono shel Olam at this trying time.

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 Feb 18, 2010 at 12:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #178  
Yossi Says:

I have spoken to many yeshiveh administrators that every yeshiveh in BP ,Wmsbg.and other yidishe communities MUST arrange a yearly traing conference with all BUS drivers to hear the latest updates on safety rules and how to avoid those tragedies...We mamesh see it every day how "Shomer hashem Pesoyim" that hashem watches us every second of the day...BUS drivers have such a responsibility to drive and also watch over those small kinderlech..I see some drivers chatting away on cell phones or listening to CDs while driving..Some drive very irresponsible...When you see a driver not driving safely take the bus number and call the yeshiveh transportation manager...My einikel almost was run over 3 weeks ago due to drivers negligence and i called the yeshiveh and the driver was FIRED..
We need more and better training for those drivers and of course every parent should say a few kepitlech tehilim every morning ...Besires Toyves...

Listening to cd's while driving is dangerous? I cant imagine what you do while music is on, but a licensed driver can handle music and driving. If you are trying to strip these professionals of even their music......I have a better idea.......drive your own kids to school!

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 Feb 18, 2010 at 12:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #174  
j s Says:

u have a point but u have to understand a mother that has a 6 month baby sleeping in the house do u want her to leave him ther to take the 4 year old child to the croner and wait aprox 5 to 10 min.if not longer for a bus

YOU have to understand that you are responsable for each and every child you bear. You decided to have one after the other, and if your 6 month old is sleeping, oh well......bundle them up and take them with you. What are you? Another irresponsable child bride pumping out kids and expecting the world to cater around YOU? A 4 year old has no business being ANYWHERE alone! You sit home all day with kids, no job, and you cant handle walking down the street? Boo hoo for you.

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 Feb 18, 2010 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #201  
Anonymous Says:

YOU have to understand that you are responsable for each and every child you bear. You decided to have one after the other, and if your 6 month old is sleeping, oh well......bundle them up and take them with you. What are you? Another irresponsable child bride pumping out kids and expecting the world to cater around YOU? A 4 year old has no business being ANYWHERE alone! You sit home all day with kids, no job, and you cant handle walking down the street? Boo hoo for you.

Bottom line: Too many people and kids in the community in BP. When I was growing up in BP in the '60's, it was very quite and not full of people the way it is now. BP now in the summer was like BP all year round 50 years ago.

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 Feb 18, 2010 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #201  
Anonymous Says:

YOU have to understand that you are responsable for each and every child you bear. You decided to have one after the other, and if your 6 month old is sleeping, oh well......bundle them up and take them with you. What are you? Another irresponsable child bride pumping out kids and expecting the world to cater around YOU? A 4 year old has no business being ANYWHERE alone! You sit home all day with kids, no job, and you cant handle walking down the street? Boo hoo for you.

Finally, somebody who says it like it is even though its politically incorrect...

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 Feb 18, 2010 at 01:23 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #198  
Richard Nixon Says:

If you believe that by talking on a cell phone while driving a school bus endangers the children (as I do too) why not call the police??? The driver is a rodaif.

And, um, you think that the policeman who takes your call will put it out on the radio, and a squad car will pull over the driver?

You're not from New York, are you?

Things don't work like that here.

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 Feb 18, 2010 at 09:37 PM Richard Nixon Says:

Take a picture of the guy with your phone and make reports by certified mail to the school, the police and the insurance company. Watch them do something about it to avoid getting sued if anything bad c"v happens with that driver.

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 Feb 19, 2010 at 11:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #203  
Anonymous Says:

Finally, somebody who says it like it is even though its politically incorrect...

People like you are called self hating jews.

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 Feb 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM awacs Says:

Reply to #205  
Richard Nixon Says:

Take a picture of the guy with your phone and make reports by certified mail to the school, the police and the insurance company. Watch them do something about it to avoid getting sued if anything bad c"v happens with that driver.

Uh, let me know if that works for you. I'd bet money (offline, please!) that you will get exactly nowhere. Not that that's how things SHOULD be; that's how things are in NYC ...

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 Feb 25, 2010 at 08:03 PM Anonymous Says:

BDE hashem yrachem so sad a young little kid on the way to yesheva 2 learn torah hit by his own school bus Odmusei I'm speechless such young holy neshumis are torn away may he be the last korbin & a malitz yosher 4 his Family & klall yiroel so let's all start doing teshuva & from now on we should only hear good news B'seras toves
HASHEM HELP!!

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