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New York - Mr. A” is a 43-year-old chasidic man who is so afraid to make mistakes in his daily prayers that he cannot bring himself to get out of bed until noon or 1 p.m. The reason? Obsessions he’s faced since his days in yeshiva, when he was consistently the last person to finish praying each morning.
“He thought he was just more religious than everyone in the class,” said Dr. Steven Friedman, a professor of clinical psychiatry at SUNY Downstate, who was addressing a group of fellow therapists. “Patients who have religious obsessions often don’t recognize or admit that they have symptoms.”
Friedman was speaking to a group of 30 therapists — at least 20 of them Orthodox Jews — who had gathered for a three-day conference this week at SUNY Downstate Medical Center in Brooklyn sponsored by the Behavior Therapy Training Institute of the International Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Foundation
. While the Institute holds about three of these meetings annually, this was the first conference tailored specifically to the needs of Orthodox Jewish therapists, who had been unable to attend regular Saturday programming.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 12:49 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I'd say a prayer for this person but if I don't say it right, I don't want to get into the habit of waking up at 1 PM.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 12:50 PM focus Says:Report as Inappropriate
shtusim!
this guy stays in bed because he likes to Puff away. he's probably up, till late at night surfing the web or listining to the radio etc. of course he's then unable to get up.
let him begin a normal life style with a responsible schedule and all problems will be resolved
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Feb 17, 2010 at 12:50 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I just keep on reading and rereading this article
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Feb 17, 2010 at 12:53 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
OCD is rampant in the Heimeisha community. All the chumras and shabbos deadlines makes it more likely.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM murray Says:Report as Inappropriate
I can relate. Sometimes I am so confused by which Bracha to make over a particular food, that I have given up eating my favorite dish (locusts).
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:13 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
It's about time that the heimishe community is having such meetings for OCD. If the parents suffer from it, they pass it on to their children and so forth!
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:13 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
A yid with a compulsive disorder....impossible. If I simply look around the beis medrash during shachris and focus on the personal minhagim (aka compulsive behaviors) that seem to afflict everyone in the room, we would need to being GROUP therapy immediately.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Awesome Purim Torah! And here I thought he was just being super super machmir.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
B"H they are doing something about it!!
A lot of sholom bayis problems could be prevented!
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:19 PM Joe Says:Report as Inappropriate
There is an incredible letter from the Steipler about this which is printed in the sefer by Rabbi Greenwald who sent many of these types of shailos to him.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:19 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
It's a serious issue, that needs to start coming to the surface and be discussed openly at our Shoybbes tables.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:30 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
keeping sweeping it under the carpet as was done with alcoholism and drugs till it became a widespread epidemic.
then suddenly there was a problem.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:32 PM murray Says:Report as Inappropriate
I am completely obssessed if I have the right shade of blue for tzitzits..........also I am color-blind
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:40 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's a serious issue, that needs to start coming to the surface and be discussed openly at our Shoybbes tables. ”
It's not OCD, it's RCD = Religious Compulsive Disorder.
When you believe that you have to be more frum than everyone else, because you are special or holier or everyone else is tamey and inferior.
aka Milhouse disease.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:40 PM Moshe Says:Report as Inappropriate
When I was in yeshiva, there was a bochur who was so midakdek in washing hands that they were red, raw and cracked. I knew another guy who was so focused on the rambam's requirements upon arising that he missed davening every morning and was late for shuir. It is easy for us to mistake this real and often debilitating disorder for frumkeit.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:43 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I can relate. Sometimes I am so confused by which Bracha to make over a particular food, that I have given up eating my favorite dish (locusts). ”
Shehakol, nu?
(I remember hearing that there are some Sefardim who have a tradition to eat some form of grasshopper and that ONE kind is not tref, so your comment is not so farfetched! And I guess that's the brocho to say ... )
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:48 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I don't know why the responses of the readers above seem to be making light of it. I can totally relate to the guy who is afraid of making a mistake by davening. I myself have had times when I would repeat every other word by davening ten times, because I was scared I did'nt say it right. It's a horrible condition to live with, and I wish I would have someone, other than a therapist, to share this with.
There is hardly any support out there for a frum person. There might be some referal agnecies, but that's where it ends. I would love to see more articles in the frum world on the subject, and maybe some helplines
and support groups...
Also, #10 mentioned a letter from the steipler in a book by Rabbi Greenwald. Which book is that, and where can I get it?
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I just keep on reading and rereading this article ”
LOL!! Thanks for the laugh!!
But seriously, I have OCD and I am glad the rest of the heimishe community is waking up so we can all get the help we need.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I always thought every Chasidic person that I ever seen had some sort of a behavioral abnormality. Now this article confirms my suspicions.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:56 PM Dan Says:Report as Inappropriate
This strikes me as genuine. It's one thing to daven long, or daven with super-wild gesticulations, but to me, the few individuals who loudly repeat each and every sound of the Krias Shma three times, to the point that they aren't even finished by the time the rest of the kehilla is ready to start Sh'moneh Esrei -- well, it's not totally normal, let's put it that way.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:58 PM Little Masmid Says:Report as Inappropriate
I watched a Bucher in shul that could not stop checking and adjusting his Tefillin to a point where he did not daven a solitary word. He was too concerned about whether his shel rosh was centered and if it was too far forward etc. It definitely exists.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 01:58 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Finally, something (will hopefully) be done in the frum community for a very bad disease that affects our community so greatly. This is a disease that is very prevelent in the frum community, since there are alot of halachos, dinim & minhagim which we are faced with & that we try to abide by them 100%.Unfortuantly, these people have long yearned for some help, but however they were worried with the stigma of being labeled as an OCD. As was quoted in this article from Dr Freidman "In addition to discussing these specific behaviors and treatment techniques, the doctors focused on the unwillingness of many Orthodox Jews to even seek treatment, in a community where mental health issues are somewhat taboo."
As for Dr Freidman, he is an expert in this field. I hope that there will be a educational conference for the general frum community making them aware of this issue & how to seek help. This is long overdue. This has affected many people with parnosa, shulem bayis, chinuch, etc.
May Hashem give the people suffering from this disease the wisdom & courage to get help, so they can get their life back together.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 02:02 PM shmiel glassman Says:Report as Inappropriate
ocd yes- but the first address SURELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!
DR.STEVEN FRIEDMAN is the most knowledgeable frum person in anxiety disorders, & one of the sharpest diagnosticians around (718-624-0488) dr. friedman is also very intellectually honest: if u need meds he'll tell u &if; he cant help u he wont keep you
but most people suffering from ocd need more than a therapist they also need someone to coach them & do the homework
NO HYPNOSIS...ONE BRAIN,,, DO NOT WORK ASK DR FRIEDMAN
lastly people who have very severe ocd should usually try meds first until the ocd becomes less frequent & less severe & than go for cbt
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Feb 17, 2010 at 02:13 PM ocd Says:Report as Inappropriate
This can be treated like many other problems. Thank goodness. The laws are there but some take certain laws and obsess to the point of craziness and waste of time. There must be self-esteem issues that need to be dealt with. They are usually nebech who fixate. They can drive their spouses nuts too especially if the spouse doesn't want to understand these issues.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 02:15 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ There is an incredible letter from the Steipler about this which is printed in the sefer by Rabbi Greenwald who sent many of these types of shailos to him. ”
Joe
Dr. Steven Friedman actually showed me the Steipler letter when I was undergoing therapy for OCD. My compulsive behavior - blogging all day. No Joke.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 02:24 PM Miss Williamsburg Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ shtusim!
this guy stays in bed because he likes to Puff away. he's probably up, till late at night surfing the web or listining to the radio etc. of course he's then unable to get up.
let him begin a normal life style with a responsible schedule and all problems will be resolved ”
Instead of being so insensitive, thank G-d that you don't suffer from OCD.
The above story makes perfect sense. It is unfortunate that many people don't seek help because of fear of stigma. Maybe if people would work on understanding others even if they don't understand what it's all about, instead of throwing insensitive comments towards them, many more people who need help will seek it.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Go to the classrooms where the kinderlach are being taught how to daven. You will see the roots of OCD.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 04:19 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I watched a Bucher in shul that could not stop checking and adjusting his Tefillin to a point where he did not daven a solitary word. He was too concerned about whether his shel rosh was centered and if it was too far forward etc. It definitely exists. ”
This is because some "chachum" probably once berated him publicly in shul growling: "Your Tefillin Are On Wrong!"
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Feb 17, 2010 at 05:39 PM Listener Says:Report as Inappropriate
HHHEELLPPPPPPP.........
I'm obsessed with listening to KOL MEVASER, as much as it has been explained to me that it's made for people with an IQ of %5 or lower, I can't stop listening to them.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 05:06 PM esther Says:Report as Inappropriate
ocd is a real disorder which manifests differently in each indivisual. i't takes over a person's life much like an addiction.the only excuse i can find for the indivisuals on this sight making rediculous and insensitive comments about ocd(and other psychiatric issues) is that they are simply ignorant.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 05:12 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I just don't understand why people grow up believing G-d demands perfection. Somehow, I was always taught to do the best you can do - we're all only human. I'm sure you'll get just as much mitzvah credit for going to shul in terrible weather even if C'VS your shel rosh is a millimeter off center. Don't you? Isn't it more of what's in your heart and brain instead of what's on it?
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Feb 17, 2010 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ shtusim!
this guy stays in bed because he likes to Puff away. he's probably up, till late at night surfing the web or listining to the radio etc. of course he's then unable to get up.
let him begin a normal life style with a responsible schedule and all problems will be resolved ”
you really shouldnt be mocking the pain ppl with OCD have.
OCD is REAL and its HELL!!!! my spouse suffers from it and i would not wish it on you or anyone else. and no they dont wake up late because they are surfing the web.
i am deeply offended by your comment......its ignorant and insensitive!
ps. does anyone know of a support group for the family members of OCD sufferers? (doesnt have to be jewish group..)
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Feb 17, 2010 at 05:28 PM Cognitive Therapist Says:Report as Inappropriate
Most of you are minsinfomed. Ocd is an "illness" that manifests itself in different repetitive behaviors. It is a "mental disorder" and can not be blamed on the classrooms, the parents, the teachers or on anyone publicly "berating a person! OCD knows no boundaries, religions, or age. If one who is prone to OCD would not be religous, his OCD would be the cause of another issue.It is highly treatable by medications and an experienced therapist who specializes in CBT therapy. Unfortunately its a lifetime struggle,however once the person becomes aware of how to treat his "thoughts" he has more control of it.It is very prevalent in our frum circles and our community must be made aware of this "illness."
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Feb 17, 2010 at 05:30 PM OCD nightmare Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ shtusim!
this guy stays in bed because he likes to Puff away. he's probably up, till late at night surfing the web or listining to the radio etc. of course he's then unable to get up.
let him begin a normal life style with a responsible schedule and all problems will be resolved ”
i cant believe some of these comments!!! OCD is NOT a joke!!!
if you can count how many tears i have shed over this illness you would not be laughing!!!
i wish there was more support out there! and yes we saw the letter from the steipler but even after seeing it it still doesn't help an OCD person entirely. because OCD is not a logical illness.
i have a family member that it takes him 2 hours to wear his tefillin for fear that its not in the right place...he keeps rechecking and rechecking.....
how dare you all make light of such a serious illness?!? you have certainly added salt to my wounds... but i forgive you ....when ppl are not familiar with something its easier to make light of it than to actually research it.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 05:33 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I don't know why the responses of the readers above seem to be making light of it. I can totally relate to the guy who is afraid of making a mistake by davening. I myself have had times when I would repeat every other word by davening ten times, because I was scared I did'nt say it right. It's a horrible condition to live with, and I wish I would have someone, other than a therapist, to share this with.
There is hardly any support out there for a frum person. There might be some referal agnecies, but that's where it ends. I would love to see more articles in the frum world on the subject, and maybe some helplines
and support groups...
Also, #10 mentioned a letter from the steipler in a book by Rabbi Greenwald. Which book is that, and where can I get it? ”
we should start a support group.... im thinking of going to a non jewish support group they have some in mahatten... my spouse suffers from OCD ....its no laughing matter.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Dr. Friedman is a wonderful therapist!
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Feb 17, 2010 at 06:26 PM OCD GEHINOM Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I just don't understand why people grow up believing G-d demands perfection. Somehow, I was always taught to do the best you can do - we're all only human. I'm sure you'll get just as much mitzvah credit for going to shul in terrible weather even if C'VS your shel rosh is a millimeter off center. Don't you? Isn't it more of what's in your heart and brain instead of what's on it? ”
OCD is not a logical illness... i can tell s/o with ocd a million times that its ok if its not in the right spot.... but they will still stare at the mirror for who knows how long trying to make sure that the tefillin is in the right spot.
the brain deosnt send a message that the task is complete...so the person has to constantly keep checking untill they feel that the task is complete (door is locked, hands are clean...the list is endless....)
all those suffering should have a refuah shelaima bimheira!
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Feb 17, 2010 at 07:04 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
there is a show on A & E called obsessions which gives you just a glimpse of what its like in the day of a person with OCD.
i dont have TV i watched it on their website aetv.com
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Feb 17, 2010 at 07:52 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
ocd is a terribly painful mental illness. Any psychiatrist or psychologist can tell you of their patients' suffering. It is very wrong to make fun of people who cannot help themselves. Religion absolutely does not cause ocd. However, it is very likely that a frum person with ocd will have obsessions manifested in religious rituals such as davening, washing and other mitzvos. If he/she would not be religious the obsessions would take another form such as checking the lights, checking that the car is parked correctly etc.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 09:00 PM former sufferer Says:Report as Inappropriate
As a child I suffered from OCD. No one knows, not even my husband. Some how I got over it & I never had it since, I don't remember how or why. I just pray it never comes back but at least I'd know to get help. At 8 years old i didn't know what to do. That period of my life was ruined by my obsession with washing my hands. The worst thing was hiding it from my family, because they would have either yelled at me or laughed at me, just like you people are doing.
What upsets me is that so many of you clowns think this is funny. it's not. It's a shame you are all so ignorant & stupid. You wouldn't know OCD if it jumped up & bit you. You think everything you don't know about (which for most of you morons is pretty much everything) is cause for making fun.
Why do you think this is funny? Is diabetes? Heart disease? Cancer? Down syndrome? Why is mental illness a joke? Are you afraid it's catching?
You are heartless. Have you any clue how much humiliation you add to what we already feel? You think OCD sufferers ENJOY this? You call yourselves Frum Jews. Now THAT is a joke.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 09:50 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ As a child I suffered from OCD. No one knows, not even my husband. Some how I got over it & I never had it since, I don't remember how or why. I just pray it never comes back but at least I'd know to get help. At 8 years old i didn't know what to do. That period of my life was ruined by my obsession with washing my hands. The worst thing was hiding it from my family, because they would have either yelled at me or laughed at me, just like you people are doing.
What upsets me is that so many of you clowns think this is funny. it's not. It's a shame you are all so ignorant & stupid. You wouldn't know OCD if it jumped up & bit you. You think everything you don't know about (which for most of you morons is pretty much everything) is cause for making fun.
Why do you think this is funny? Is diabetes? Heart disease? Cancer? Down syndrome? Why is mental illness a joke? Are you afraid it's catching?
You are heartless. Have you any clue how much humiliation you add to what we already feel? You think OCD sufferers ENJOY this? You call yourselves Frum Jews. Now THAT is a joke. ”
thank you! thank you! thank you!
you took the words out of mouth! when i read some of the comments i felt so hurt i wish i can punch all their teeth out!! i wouldnt wish ocd on anyone!!!
how dare they?????????????? if you are ignorant and uneducated in a certain matter please keep your mouth shut and your dumb comments to yourself because aside from hurting ppl. you come across as extremely stupid!!
by the way- anyone can develop OCD at any point in life.... so i wouldnt be so quick to joke about it. i hope you never get it.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 10:58 PM DblTahk Says:Report as Inappropriate
To all those complaining about the joking about OCD - let me say this to you, let me say this to you, let me say this to you. If OCD were not to be mocked and would be treated as normal by the community at large - then what would be so abnormal with OCD?? Its not that terrible to be busy and always have something to do! The Gemara says that "Kol leTzinusa Asura, chutz meLetzinasa D'Avodah Zara" and its actually a Mitzva to make Laytzanis from Avoda Zara. So true with OCD. We should (at least on this blog) make all the letzunes we feel like, about the overall hanhagah of OCD. However - on a personal level - the greatest respect and acceptance should be shown to an individual OCD sufferer personally. Hug him/her, Kiss him/her, tell them you are supportive of them. Buy them the book titled "Brain Lock" - its mamish gevaldig. As a shtikkel zeitigga haAreh, I was wondering whether people can have OCD just on one Aiver, for example, my eyelids keep on constantly blinking over and over. Can this be OCD or maybe its only ICD? Any nermahlleh comments in this regard would be greatly appreciated, will be greatly appreciated, will be greatly appreciated.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 11:09 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I used to have a "krenk" where I would kiss mezzuzos nonstop... It was really annoying to me and others. I also suffered from many related OCD reactions. But one day I told myself, ENOUGH! I literally forced myself not to kiss the mezzuza more than once, I did not touch everything with my left AND right hand (and then with both). Slowly but surely I got over it.
Point is, name it what you want, it's in your power to stop it. Except if you're in the business of making excuses and looking for support groups to empathize with you. In that case, it's probably a case of lacking self confidence or depression. Think about it.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 11:31 PM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's not OCD, it's RCD = Religious Compulsive Disorder.
When you believe that you have to be more frum than everyone else, because you are special or holier or everyone else is tamey and inferior.
aka Milhouse disease. ”
cant stop laughing there !!!!
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Feb 17, 2010 at 11:36 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I used to have a "krenk" where I would kiss mezzuzos nonstop... It was really annoying to me and others. I also suffered from many related OCD reactions. But one day I told myself, ENOUGH! I literally forced myself not to kiss the mezzuza more than once, I did not touch everything with my left AND right hand (and then with both). Slowly but surely I got over it.
Point is, name it what you want, it's in your power to stop it. Except if you're in the business of making excuses and looking for support groups to empathize with you. In that case, it's probably a case of lacking self confidence or depression. Think about it. ”
Think about this: I am in the mental health field and you don't know the first thing about OCD. It is no more 'in your power to stop' OCD than it would be 'in your power' for a insulin dependent diabetic to lower his BG level by deciding not to have elevated BG anymore.
Nice story though. Have youever considered using your fiction writing skills to write a novel?
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Feb 17, 2010 at 11:39 PM Robert Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's not OCD, it's RCD = Religious Compulsive Disorder.
When you believe that you have to be more frum than everyone else, because you are special or holier or everyone else is tamey and inferior.
aka Milhouse disease. ”
i am not a shrink...
however the gentlemen who cant get up until 1 pm because of RCD (or OCD)
is a crock...
he doesnt need a shrink..
he needs some time in the army where you arise at 5am
and some drill seargent will teach you about time management (he will even find time to daven if he wants) he will go to bed at 10pm lights out and schoen no more morning 1pm qvetch.
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Feb 17, 2010 at 11:53 PM to DblTahk Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To all those complaining about the joking about OCD - let me say this to you, let me say this to you, let me say this to you. If OCD were not to be mocked and would be treated as normal by the community at large - then what would be so abnormal with OCD?? Its not that terrible to be busy and always have something to do! The Gemara says that "Kol leTzinusa Asura, chutz meLetzinasa D'Avodah Zara" and its actually a Mitzva to make Laytzanis from Avoda Zara. So true with OCD. We should (at least on this blog) make all the letzunes we feel like, about the overall hanhagah of OCD. However - on a personal level - the greatest respect and acceptance should be shown to an individual OCD sufferer personally. Hug him/her, Kiss him/her, tell them you are supportive of them. Buy them the book titled "Brain Lock" - its mamish gevaldig. As a shtikkel zeitigga haAreh, I was wondering whether people can have OCD just on one Aiver, for example, my eyelids keep on constantly blinking over and over. Can this be OCD or maybe its only ICD? Any nermahlleh comments in this regard would be greatly appreciated, will be greatly appreciated, will be greatly appreciated. ”
ok...i dont even know where to start with your comment.
1) i guarantee you that you do not want to be busy with OCD...i'm sure thats not what the gemara had in mind! you should always be physically and mentally healthy so you can be busy with normal activities.
ppl. with OCD are not busy.... they are crippled by their obsessions which lead them to compulsions. so washing your hands a million times a day for 20 min. straight each time is s/t you dont want to be busy with or rechecking everything is something you don't want to be busy with...
2) OCD is not avodah zara it is an illness that HaShem has decreed on some ppl. for reasons we don't know and we don't ask why.
it is a form of suffering i do not wish upon you.
3) would you ever think of making fun of someone with a physical illness? if you saw a physically sick person would you say "hey, why not make laytzanus (at least on this blog)???? i surely hope you would not.
so the same with this illness... OCD is an illness- ppl suffering with it are not dumb, lazy or stupid. so just as you wouldnt make fun of s/o physically sick you should be smart enough to realize that you should NOT make fun of s/o with OCD.
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Feb 18, 2010 at 12:05 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To all those complaining about the joking about OCD - let me say this to you, let me say this to you, let me say this to you. If OCD were not to be mocked and would be treated as normal by the community at large - then what would be so abnormal with OCD?? Its not that terrible to be busy and always have something to do! The Gemara says that "Kol leTzinusa Asura, chutz meLetzinasa D'Avodah Zara" and its actually a Mitzva to make Laytzanis from Avoda Zara. So true with OCD. We should (at least on this blog) make all the letzunes we feel like, about the overall hanhagah of OCD. However - on a personal level - the greatest respect and acceptance should be shown to an individual OCD sufferer personally. Hug him/her, Kiss him/her, tell them you are supportive of them. Buy them the book titled "Brain Lock" - its mamish gevaldig. As a shtikkel zeitigga haAreh, I was wondering whether people can have OCD just on one Aiver, for example, my eyelids keep on constantly blinking over and over. Can this be OCD or maybe its only ICD? Any nermahlleh comments in this regard would be greatly appreciated, will be greatly appreciated, will be greatly appreciated. ”
YOU ARE HEARTLESS!
so many yidden are suffering such hell and you think that its worthy of laytzanus?!
anyways, brainlock is really not the answer to ocd
most major ocd experts don't believe in brainlock. ask Dr. J. Greyson one of the biggest in this field....and check out the OCD foundation website.
the best way to go most say is exposure and response prevention.
so keep your gevaldige aitzos to yourself.
and get a chavrusa that can teach you some gemara because when the gemara said avodah zara they did not mean OCD.
ocd is a machlah and not avodah zara.
you sound like a clown.
and it sounds funny how in one sentence you say you can make laytzanus but the ppl suffering from it should be supportive... make up your mind...
i'm moichel, you im moichel, you im moichel you.
ps. the blinking sound s like tourettes syndrome... you should look into it.
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Feb 18, 2010 at 12:09 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I used to have a "krenk" where I would kiss mezzuzos nonstop... It was really annoying to me and others. I also suffered from many related OCD reactions. But one day I told myself, ENOUGH! I literally forced myself not to kiss the mezzuza more than once, I did not touch everything with my left AND right hand (and then with both). Slowly but surely I got over it.
Point is, name it what you want, it's in your power to stop it. Except if you're in the business of making excuses and looking for support groups to empathize with you. In that case, it's probably a case of lacking self confidence or depression. Think about it. ”
you either didnt have ocd or had a mild form of ocd. so dont generalize and super impose your own life experiences on the whole spectrum.
untill you are not a clinical researcher on the whole spectrum of ocd and all its symptoms and treatments dont give your inaccurate, lacking, uneducated, ill informed wrong and egocentric advice.
happy for you that you had a yeshua.
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Feb 18, 2010 at 12:18 AM as a wife i know, first hand Says:Report as Inappropriate
my husband has been diagnosed with OCD, we live with it on a constant basis. To know that he will read this column and see how many people are mocking him and what he has to live with tears me to pieces, i thank Hashem that i was granted the opportunity to marry such a special person who, can honestly look at himself and get the help he needs and has the heart to be kind to others, Many of you may not have ocd, but you have a far worse illness called insensitivity and there is help for that too, i suggest you get it!
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Feb 18, 2010 at 04:03 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
While I think it's important that people get the help they want for something they regard as a problem/mental illness, I think it's equally important that people who behave in unusual ways and don't regard this as a problem/mental illness aren't labelled with some "illness". There is no objective standard what constitutes a "mental illness", it all depends on your value system and the surrounding society.
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Feb 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
reply to #34
True that OCD is genetic and a mental disorder. But the environment can also be a big trigger...for a person that is already predisposed.
reply to #36 (from #17)
Is there a way where I can give you my e-mail address without posting it for everyone to see, so that we can share some info on a potential support group.
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Feb 18, 2010 at 11:44 AM Yitzchok Aryeh Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ my husband has been diagnosed with OCD, we live with it on a constant basis. To know that he will read this column and see how many people are mocking him and what he has to live with tears me to pieces, i thank Hashem that i was granted the opportunity to marry such a special person who, can honestly look at himself and get the help he needs and has the heart to be kind to others, Many of you may not have ocd, but you have a far worse illness called insensitivity and there is help for that too, i suggest you get it! ”
Can't you feel her pain?
Most of you people mocking this condition, or assuming you have OCD because you like to do something have no idea what OCD really is. OCD is NOT someone who needs to have things neat, or likes to wash his hands too much. These CAN be symptoms, but is not OCD. OCD is a compulsive cycle of thoughts which someone cannot break out of. The physical compulsive actions are done to aleve the stress of the mental cycle. Although I never suffered from this condition myself, someone in my family did. It's pure torture to see. The person deteriorated mentally and physically because of it. It's a horrible condition, and I sincerely hope those who mock it do not understand what it is.
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Feb 18, 2010 at 02:28 PM Sharon Udasin Says:Report as Inappropriate
Hi, I'm the original author of The Jewish Week article. I agree with Yitzchok Aryeh (above me) that this condition must be taken very seriously, and it is very sad to see so many people mock or joke about symptoms.
Thanks to VosIzNeias for reposting my article.
Sharon Udasin
http://www.sharonudasin.com/2010/02/orthodox-compulsive-disorder/
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Feb 18, 2010 at 03:48 PM A. Nuran Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Most of you are minsinfomed. Ocd is an "illness" that manifests itself in different repetitive behaviors. It is a "mental disorder" and can not be blamed on the classrooms, the parents, the teachers or on anyone publicly "berating a person! OCD knows no boundaries, religions, or age. If one who is prone to OCD would not be religous, his OCD would be the cause of another issue.It is highly treatable by medications and an experienced therapist who specializes in CBT therapy. Unfortunately its a lifetime struggle,however once the person becomes aware of how to treat his "thoughts" he has more control of it.It is very prevalent in our frum circles and our community must be made aware of this "illness." ”
Very true. And thank you for making it clear.
In all fairness, the disorder can be affected by one's environment. A life which includes a lot of repetitive activities, rewards infinite attention to detail and associates the slightest deviation from routine with bad consequences a sub-clinical case can be aggravated to the point where it becomes a problem.
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Feb 18, 2010 at 05:38 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I don't know why the responses of the readers above seem to be making light of it. I can totally relate to the guy who is afraid of making a mistake by davening. I myself have had times when I would repeat every other word by davening ten times, because I was scared I did'nt say it right. It's a horrible condition to live with, and I wish I would have someone, other than a therapist, to share this with.
There is hardly any support out there for a frum person. There might be some referal agnecies, but that's where it ends. I would love to see more articles in the frum world on the subject, and maybe some helplines
and support groups...
Also, #10 mentioned a letter from the steipler in a book by Rabbi Greenwald. Which book is that, and where can I get it? ”
eitzos v'hadrochos, also existing is a recent work, yir'ah tehorah
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Feb 18, 2010 at 05:52 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The children are taught from a very young age about the letter of the law without really understanding the spirit of it. It's not about what type of tablecloth, how big tjhe brim, or if your sleeves are covering past your wrist.. what we should be concerned with, is something other than yourself and you will be ok. That is the true way to yiddishkeit, and ahavas yisroel..
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Feb 18, 2010 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ my husband has been diagnosed with OCD, we live with it on a constant basis. To know that he will read this column and see how many people are mocking him and what he has to live with tears me to pieces, i thank Hashem that i was granted the opportunity to marry such a special person who, can honestly look at himself and get the help he needs and has the heart to be kind to others, Many of you may not have ocd, but you have a far worse illness called insensitivity and there is help for that too, i suggest you get it! ”
i am a wife of an OCD sufferrer too... my husband also is a truly amazing person yet is crippled by this illness every single second of the day. ppl have no idea how painful this is for him, myself and the children.
some of the comments made me cry... i cant believe how insensitive ppl can be.
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Feb 18, 2010 at 09:49 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Very true. And thank you for making it clear.
In all fairness, the disorder can be affected by one's environment. A life which includes a lot of repetitive activities, rewards infinite attention to detail and associates the slightest deviation from routine with bad consequences a sub-clinical case can be aggravated to the point where it becomes a problem. ”
Repetitive activities, infinite attention to detail, consequences for small deviations...You mean like practicing medicine? Or were you trying to bash a particular group?
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Feb 19, 2010 at 04:08 AM A. Nuran Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Repetitive activities, infinite attention to detail, consequences for small deviations...You mean like practicing medicine? Or were you trying to bash a particular group? ”
Let's be absolutely up front here. Today's yeshivish/charedi lifestyle is pretty much tailor-made to exacerbate OCD tendencies. There are minute rituals for every moment of the day and every possible activity. Is the fringe precisely between these fingers? Which shoe first? Near-infinite and ever-changing strictures about exactly how finely to examine every particle of food for a conformity to a dozen different chumras. Precise length and density of stockings and skirts. Mess up on any of them, and you're a pariah in the community assuming you aren't damned to Gehenom by inadvertently forfeiting your place in the World to Come.
And, of course, every activity is entirely prescribed, described or proscribed in perfect detail. Recognition and the ability to break patterns when they are noticed is the key to modifying the behavior. The charedi lifestyle removes that capacity for judgment and interruption from the equation.
It flies right into the teeth of OCD tendencies and couldn't be designed better to keep the sufferer in a state of constant agitation if a committee of experts had sat down and designed it for that purpose.
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Feb 19, 2010 at 10:51 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The whole frum community is suffering from religious ocd. I hope they find a cure soon!
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Feb 23, 2010 at 01:47 AM Hello!!! Says:Report as Inappropriate
People who get up at 530am sharp everyday for vosikin are OCD.
People who get up at different late hours because they were glued to some medium the night before are OCD.
Is everyone OCD? ...or just the habit-forming ones?!
To be a 'significantly' observant Jewish male one has to be OCD.
The more organized material a person studies, the more OCD they become.
The more repetitive their habits, also the more OCD they become.
With regard to this guy, his Jewish OCDness hit a bump in the road and is cruising in the wrong lane, all he needs is the right OCD lane.
Oh wait, is there something wrong with being OCD? or is there a right OCD?!
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Feb 23, 2010 at 03:11 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ you really shouldnt be mocking the pain ppl with OCD have.
OCD is REAL and its HELL!!!! my spouse suffers from it and i would not wish it on you or anyone else. and no they dont wake up late because they are surfing the web.
i am deeply offended by your comment......its ignorant and insensitive!
ps. does anyone know of a support group for the family members of OCD sufferers? (doesnt have to be jewish group..) ”
In Yerushalayim we have a support group for women with family members suffering mental illness (OCD among others) 02 6515556. It's a real lifeline.
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Mar 01, 2010 at 03:18 PM Ben Torah Says:Report as Inappropriate
As a modest Ben Tayreh who has lived in a Yeshivishe environment since the age of 16, and who addresses every shayleh to a Rov for his Daas Tayreh which is the only Yiddishe response to every question and/or problem, I am totally disappointed in all of you who worship the expertise of a psycholog rather than a Godol Btayreh.
Loy Zu Haderech. No even one of you made a Remez to Kedusho, Tzom, Tehillim, Kivrei Tzadikkim. And you consider yourselves frun? A shande Und a Charpo. You think our Roshei Yeshivo, Talmidei Chachomim, Gediolim, Admoirim don't know how to deal with OCD and other issues? Oy, they know, and how. They know but you don't want to listen to them because they will tell you the Emes - that YOU are the ones with the issues, you say words without Kavono, Hisbonenus, Hakpodo and Yir'as Shomayim.
Get off this page and run to Bais Hamedrash with your "Menuval Zeh". Seek Da'a Tayreh. Do Teshuveh. Don't put down a Yid, Ish Eshko Moleh Kavonos Kerimon who is Makpid Al DaKo KeChmuro & does not want to be Nichshal Ba'oilom Hazeh.