“ Rabbi rubin, all the good u do, will protect u from all harm this guys wana do, u have done notin worng, when u have so many students attending ur house for shabbos meals,u r not controlling everyone, just drink another glezala maskah and things will be super good ”

“ "By phone Friday night, Gerstenzang told FOX23 the student was attending the"

this must be a typo. ”

“ @2
It is not a problem that they supply alcohol at chabad houses near college campuses its actually amazing that they do because if they didn't no one would show up. Chabad is singlehandedly responsible for being mekarev hundreds of students this way. ”

“ It isn't 'amazing' to mekarev people with booze. Students will and do show up at other kiruv events by Chabad and other organizations without booze being present. ”

“ It isn't 'amazing' to mekarev people with booze. Students will and do show up at other kiruv events by Chabad and other organizations without booze being present. ”

“ And why does there have to be alcohol in the first case? ”

“ To everybody who has a issue with chabad and looking to build of this story "kushen toches " ”

“ This is a problem at many Chabad house on or near college campuses. Kids are attracted to their events because they know alcohol is available, no questions asked. It is a shanda. ”

“ To everybody who has a issue with chabad and looking to build of this story "kushen toches " ”

“ What a chassidisher farbrengen can achieve, even Malach Michoel cannot. Gedoloh legimoh shemekareves. ”

“ The Rubins are from the most responsible citizens of the USA. And I am not kidding! ”

“ 1. R Rubin is probably a great guy.
2. Chabad does seriously good work.
3. This kid (adult) probably got booze at the Rabbi's house.

Why can't #3 remain the exclusive focus?

If you host a party at which there is booze available, it is your responsibility as to what happens between the booze and the people. Even for adults there can be an issue if you served booze and someone leaves drunk and drives does damage.

Bottom line is booze should be a controlled substance - by you the owner and host. And if you don't own up to this responsibility, you may pay consequences - regardless of whether you are a Rabbi, Car salesman, in a Chabad place or your private home. ”

“ A 'chassidisher farbrengen' doesn't have to involve copious amounts of cheap alcohol for minors. On a campus they call those frat parties.

Most campus groups, Jewish or not, play fast and loose with having alcohol available at events(chabad included). Whether or not it happened here, this should be a wake up call to be more careful. ”

“ To everybody who has a issue with chabad and looking to build of this story "kushen toches " ”

“ I tried - I'm just not that fit..... ”

“ Maybe the Rubin's at UAlbanyare responsible people but at the major NE university I attend we all have dinner at Hillel the head over to Chabad. Hate to break everyone's bubble, but the only reason we got to Chabad is for the atmosphere ... alcohol. ”

“ Maybe the Rubin's at UAlbanyare responsible people but at the major NE university I attend we all have dinner at Hillel the head over to Chabad. Hate to break everyone's bubble, but the only reason we got to Chabad is for the atmosphere ... alcohol. ”

“ Rabbi rubin, all the good u do, will protect u from all harm this guys wana do, u have done notin worng, when u have so many students attending ur house for shabbos meals,u r not controlling everyone, just drink another glezala maskah and things will be super good ”

“ First, because it's a Jewish tradition. Second, because alcohol is Hashem's gift to us: veyayin yesamach levav enosh. Third, because alcohol helps the neshomo cut through the shell we build around it, and puts one in a receptive mood to hear what one needs to hear but doesn't want to. Mashkin es habeheimo lifnei hashchitoh. None of this means one should overdo it, but there's no reason to believe that the student drank too much at the farbrengen. ”

“ Since when is a 19 year old a child? ”

“ First, because it's a Jewish tradition. Second, because alcohol is Hashem's gift to us: veyayin yesamach levav enosh. Third, because alcohol helps the neshomo cut through the shell we build around it, and puts one in a receptive mood to hear what one needs to hear but doesn't want to. Mashkin es habeheimo lifnei hashchitoh. None of this means one should overdo it, but there's no reason to believe that the student drank too much at the farbrengen. ”

“ First, because it's a Jewish tradition. Second, because alcohol is Hashem's gift to us: veyayin yesamach levav enosh. Third, because alcohol helps the neshomo cut through the shell we build around it, and puts one in a receptive mood to hear what one needs to hear but doesn't want to. Mashkin es habeheimo lifnei hashchitoh. None of this means one should overdo it, but there's no reason to believe that the student drank too much at the farbrengen. ”

“ 1. I don't doubt that the kid may have been drunk but the Breathalyzer reading of .459 sounds wrong. Probably a calibration error. .459 should have killed him.

2. This is what you get when you make alcohol forbidden and therefore attractive. People learn to drink responsibly when halcohol has no special allure.

3. The country was in much better shape when the DRINKING age was 18 and the VOTING age was 21. ”

“ My husband and I BH are zoche to do kiruv in our small community. We often have college kids over and have made a decision that if all our guest are minors, we don't serve alcohol (other that a little kiddush wine). IF we have guests of mixed ages, we offer a lchaim to those over 21. We generally know their ages but have found that if we ask, the kids are honest and tell us whether or not they are legal. We never have unattended alcolhol in our house. At a simcha, the schnapps is always right in fromnt of my husbands seat so he can monitor that a) no minors are heloing htemselves and b) no one has enough to get seriously drunk.
Living in America means that we follow american law. We need to remember that at all times, whether it's in business or in serving alcohol to minors. ”

“ besides for this First, because it's a Jewish tradition., one can say this about heroin.

Good now I can be user with a piece of mind ”

“ Nobody said anything about copious amounts. ”

“ besides for this First, because it's a Jewish tradition., one can say this about heroin.

Good now I can be user with a piece of mind ”

“ Hello, Kiruv Woman.

Chabad has thousands of Kiruv Women and yes, we follow the law. Nice chance to try to jump on the competition, eh.

Cheap shot. ”

“ He is a "child" legally when the drinking age is 21.

Oh, for the days when when we could start drinking legally at 18 and not be granted the vote until 21. ”

“ I'm waiting for someone to bust a certain "rebitzen" in BP that is serving alcohol to minors each friday nite. I hope it happens before someone gets really hurt or ch"v worse. V'hamayvin Yavin... ”

“ Um, you can't exactly reach a blood alcohol level of .4 WITHOUT "copious amounts on alcohol". ”

“ The core issue of alcoholic use/abuse in Chabad circles is of far greater significance as opposed to focussing in on Rabbi Rubin. Many years ago, the Rebbe spoke out on this issue, yet many of his chassidim have chosen to ignore his words.
On October 20, 2009, VIN reported that Chabad Israel was actively opposing a bill in the Knesset which would ban alcoholic beverages to minors. Chabad claimed it knows best! How shocking.
By instituting an alcoholic ban in Albany, this ban implicitly acknowleges that a problem exists. While this action is to be applauded, it is unfortunate that it took a potential tragedy to evoke a response.
Chabad is in the business of saving Jewish souls. In addition to the neshama, they should also be concerned with the Guf. It is time that "770" recognize that terrible effects that alchol abuse and addiction has on the individual, their family and klal Yisrael and become proactive in combating this epidemic. ”

“ Anyone who claims the kid got drunk somewhere else doesn't know anything. Its known on college campuses that Hillel doesn't serve alcohol and if you want it, Chabad is the place to go. ”

“ Liar. As if Hillel and Chabad are the only places in the universe. ”

“ You can't reach a BAC of 0.4% WITH copious amounts either. The reading is surely wrong. But be that as it may, it's not relevant. NOBODY believes that this student drank enough at the farbrengen to reach such a level. The question is whether alcohol should be banned completely, not whether it should be supplied at a rate of a bottle per person! A chassidisher farbrengen needs mashkeh; but it does not need more than a medicinal dose. ”

“ all of a sudden you would never believe it Vos iz neias has such a following with the faculty of Albany. VIN should get tenure over there. My guess, All these comments were written by two three members of the same family. ”

“ Liar. As if Hillel and Chabad are the only places in the universe. ”

“ What exactly is the lie? Hillel does not serve alcohol at all. They don't want to deal with it and probably insurance comes into play. Chabad does serve alcohol on campuses. Jews on campus know this, it isn't a secret. It shouldn't come as a surprise that it isn't uncommon for students to go to Hillel for services and Chabad for alcohol after.

These are the only two places in the Jewish universe on most campuses. ”

“ Chassidisher farbrengens that supply alcohol to minors are illegal. Judges probably don't care if its a 'bissel' of mashkeh for the helige experience. If you want to play fast and loose, don't whine when your chassidishe rabbonim get in trouble with the cops. ”

“ Yes, those are pretty much the only Jewish places to go to on or near campus without being mechalel Shabbos, with a very few exceptions. ”

“ No, he is not a child. He is an adult. The headline on this story was wrong, and BH it was changed. ”

“ 1. I worked in addiction treatment centers in hospitals. Breathalyzer readings of .459 are uncommon, and do reflect serious intoxication. However, don't get "blown away" by such readings. If there is alcohol in the mouth, the reading will be higher, and not a direct result of blood alcohol level - which is what the breathalyzer should detect. Calibration errors are likewise uncommon. I have seen readings considerably higher, but .400 is most often at the level of being comatose. The number associated with death is around .500. I have seen readings closer to .600 on living people.

2. This argument is ages old. The alternative of having no boundaries or limits on alcohol is utterly irresponsible. The challenge is to be certain that we can educate our children, talmidim, and any others that learn from us on moderation - a tough task. Prohibition didn't work, but full legalization will result in untold chaos.

3. Great point. The argument against this is that it makes it more likely that the voter is intoxicated when voting. ”

“ It doesn't matter how nice the guy is.
It doesn't matter how much good work Chabad does.
If you break the law you are responsible for the results.
If you're serving alcohol to minors you suffer the consequences, especially when something goes wrong.

I have no rachmonas at all for the rabbi here. He knew what he was doing. He didn't have good enough judgment to keep this kid from drinking himself nearly to death. ”

“ It doesn't matter how nice the guy is.
It doesn't matter how much good work Chabad does.
If you break the law you are responsible for the results.
If you're serving alcohol to minors you suffer the consequences, especially when something goes wrong.

I have no rachmonas at all for the rabbi here. He knew what he was doing. He didn't have good enough judgment to keep this kid from drinking himself nearly to death. ”

“ i 2nd this, im in albany weekly for many years & i have never came across the 100 of frum students, was actuallu on campus once, when i 1st got to albany looking for food, & the brooklyn jewish business directory had listed a kosher restaurant at Suny albany, so i drove down there, but was only able to hear from the security guards that this no longer exist ”

“ My husband and I BH are zoche to do kiruv in our small community. We often have college kids over and have made a decision that if all our guest are minors, we don't serve alcohol (other that a little kiddush wine). IF we have guests of mixed ages, we offer a lchaim to those over 21. We generally know their ages but have found that if we ask, the kids are honest and tell us whether or not they are legal. We never have unattended alcolhol in our house. At a simcha, the schnapps is always right in fromnt of my husbands seat so he can monitor that a) no minors are heloing htemselves and b) no one has enough to get seriously drunk.
Living in America means that we follow american law. We need to remember that at all times, whether it's in business or in serving alcohol to minors. ”

“ It doesn't matter how nice the guy is.
It doesn't matter how much good work Chabad does.
If you break the law you are responsible for the results.
If you're serving alcohol to minors you suffer the consequences, especially when something goes wrong.

I have no rachmonas at all for the rabbi here. He knew what he was doing. He didn't have good enough judgment to keep this kid from drinking himself nearly to death. ”

“ Rabbi Rubin is truly a blessing to klal yisroel. You can't expect a man that has hundreds and hundreds of students pass through his door, take responsibilty on their occasional reckless behaviour. Perhaps he was dead drunk even before he stepped into the place. I don't get it. ”

“ Maybe the Rubin's at UAlbanyare responsible people but at the major NE university I attend we all have dinner at Hillel the head over to Chabad. Hate to break everyone's bubble, but the only reason we got to Chabad is for the atmosphere ... alcohol. ”

“ all of a sudden you would never believe it Vos iz neias has such a following with the faculty of Albany. VIN should get tenure over there. My guess, All these comments were written by two three members of the same family. ”

“ To everybody who has a issue with chabad and looking to build of this story "kushen toches " ”

“ It doesn't matter how nice the guy is.
It doesn't matter how much good work Chabad does.
If you break the law you are responsible for the results.
If you're serving alcohol to minors you suffer the consequences, especially when something goes wrong.

I have no rachmonas at all for the rabbi here. He knew what he was doing. He didn't have good enough judgment to keep this kid from drinking himself nearly to death. ”

“ i 2nd this, im in albany weekly for many years & i have never came across the 100 of frum students, was actuallu on campus once, when i 1st got to albany looking for food, & the brooklyn jewish business directory had listed a kosher restaurant at Suny albany, so i drove down there, but was only able to hear from the security guards that this no longer exist ”

“ "Without being mechalel shabbos"? What has that got to do with the story? Do you imagine this student cares about chilul shabbos? On the contrary, if someone really is worried about shmiras shabbos, then there's no reason to be worried about his drinking. ”

“ 1. The breathalzer does not measure blood alcohol level. It infers blood alcohol level by measuring the products of alcohol metabolism (ketones) in the subject's breath. Alcohol in the mouth will not effect the reading. (P.S. That's why a severe diabetic can also register a high reading without touching a drop.)

2. In freeadikeh (?!) yahren, alcohol was considered an integral part of every simcha and was freely available. On the other hand, drunkeness was strongly condemned (except in chassidisha circles). ”

“ This is too funny. What about all the college students that get smashed at the bars every weekend. You don't hear anything about that! ”

“ This is a problem at many Chabad house on or near college campuses. Kids are attracted to their events because they know alcohol is available, no questions asked. It is a shanda. ”

“ This is a problem at many Chabad house on or near college campuses. Kids are attracted to their events because they know alcohol is available, no questions asked. It is a shanda. ”

“ This is a problem at many Chabad house on or near college campuses. Kids are attracted to their events because they know alcohol is available, no questions asked. It is a shanda. ”

“ i go there all the time, as do my friends, and I've never seen alchohol there, and that's certainly not the reason people go there. it's a very special place, with a great atmosphere that accepts everyone regardless where they're coming from. ”

“ And why does there have to be alcohol in the first case? ”