“ Growing up in London all those years ago, I always remember the way it was set up that the first night (this year would mean Sat night)is always in Stamford Hill, and the second night(again this year would mean Sun night) is always Golders Green/ Hendon . As in both places the other night is totally dead. So Sat night is usually always dead the first night, and so the timing of this story being in GG on Sat night is a little surprising. But then again things could have changed over the last 25+ years. ”

“ Where are the Rabbonim to speak out against this? ”

“ Where are the Rabbonim to speak out against this? ”

“ Where are the Rabbonim to speak out against this? ”

“ Lock them up an throw away the keys for a few weeks. Just what we need is to have yeshiva bochurim acting like a bunch of drunk goiyeshe skinheads. ”

“ Where are the Rabbonim to speak out against this? ”

“ There was also a fight at the JLE in Golders Green, which resulted in two guys being thrown out... Unfortunatly there are one or two BT's who get kiruved too quickly and started drinking like they used too, before they had found judaism. Its the same every year, these are not FFB kids doing this. ”

“ There was also a fight at the JLE in Golders Green, which resulted in two guys being thrown out... Unfortunatly there are one or two BT's who get kiruved too quickly and started drinking like they used too, before they had found judaism. Its the same every year, these are not FFB kids doing this. ”

“ are you kidding me??????

Are you seriously saying that all the rowdiness problems on purim are because of baalei teshuvah???

I say a bracha everyday..........SHELO OSANI FFB!!!!!

Your comments make me feel ill. baalei teshuva are often more fervent and excited about avodas Hashem than the average run of the mill ffb.

To your point, the ffb's are just as guilty as anyone. ”

“ BT's all jump on the band wagon, I'm so frum we would never do that, blah blah. I'm sorry, but I saw with my own eyes, who was casuing the ruckus outside on golders green road, and these were not FFB kids. I can't say that FFB's are not also responsible for other events... However in THIS case, and the main issue of THIS news story, it was 'BT' kids who were responsible, and were behaving like yocks... How many arrests in Stamford Hill?..... None reported. Go figure. ”

“ are you kidding me??????

Are you seriously saying that all the rowdiness problems on purim are because of baalei teshuvah???

I say a bracha everyday..........SHELO OSANI FFB!!!!!

Your comments make me feel ill. baalei teshuva are often more fervent and excited about avodas Hashem than the average run of the mill ffb.

To your point, the ffb's are just as guilty as anyone. ”

“ So you say a bracha everyday..........SHELO OSANI FFB???!!!

So, every day you thank Hashem that you had many years that were absent of Torah and Mitzvos?! Every day you thank Hashem that in your earlier years you were able to transgress against His will?! And I detect that you are proud of this fact!

Let me ask you, following your logic, should you not should encourage your children to transgress - that will "save" them from being FFB's???

You further claim that, "baalei teshuva are often more fervent and excited about avodas Hashem than the average run of the mill ffb" - sorry, but it seems to me that you are more excited about growing up WITHOUT avodas Hashem. At least, excited enough to make a daily brocha for this. I wouldn't answer Amen to your brocha, instead I say with pity, Shame on you! ”

“ if we accept the basic premise that Hashem sends our neshamos to be born into the exact situation that is best for each of us,then we have to thank Him for our upbringing whatever it was.your neshama needed a frum family to be raised in and my neshama needed to find it's way to torah and mizvos and through tshuva hopefully transform my past avairos into mitzvos. ”

“ if we accept the basic premise that Hashem sends our neshamos to be born into the exact situation that is best for each of us,then we have to thank Him for our upbringing whatever it was.your neshama needed a frum family to be raised in and my neshama needed to find it's way to torah and mizvos and through tshuva hopefully transform my past avairos into mitzvos. ”

“ Esther- don't try to spin this, #22 is very right in what he said . For that poster to suggest that he makes a brocho every day that SHELO OSANI FFB is seriously misguided and very dangerous. He may want to thank H-shem that he finally found the emes, but to thank that he is not a FFB, and that he is all the better for it, is totally irresponsible and factually wrong. For starters all the transgressions of earlier years need Teshuvah and a tikkun, and so I'm not sure how one could actually think that he is all the better for not being a FFB. Not withstanding I speak for many when we say that we are all in amazement at some of todays Baalei Teshuva who truly a lesson for us all. ”

“ I am "FFB." Quite frankly, the way some behave leads me to wonder whether the "BT" who has been surrounded with all the worlds materialism and then found their way to G-d have a much higher zechus and level of kiddusha then the jews who are FFB and many of whom just follow judaism blindly as a way of life. Perhaps in his few years frum, the BT earns many more Zechusim through sacrifice, love of Hashem, and hard work, than many "FFBs" earn in a lifetime of just following the procedures that they grew up with.
The "BT" is often educated in secular studies, aware of different views of life and different lifestyles, is aware of the materialism that can be had so easily in America, is aware of all the reasons for not believing in G-d (evolution, world events) and yet he or she finds a way to believe. The "heimeshe" FFB lives in an insular world where he is not allowed to watch movies, he reads Yated and Homdia which only publishes news that wont offend frumies, pictures of girls or any stories of evolution are ripped out of school books - why should he not belive in G-d? Self control is easier when you insulate yourself. ”

“ are you kidding me??????

Are you seriously saying that all the rowdiness problems on purim are because of baalei teshuvah???

I say a bracha everyday..........SHELO OSANI FFB!!!!!

Your comments make me feel ill. baalei teshuva are often more fervent and excited about avodas Hashem than the average run of the mill ffb.

To your point, the ffb's are just as guilty as anyone. ”

“ So you say a bracha everyday..........SHELO OSANI FFB???!!!

So, every day you thank Hashem that you had many years that were absent of Torah and Mitzvos?! Every day you thank Hashem that in your earlier years you were able to transgress against His will?! And I detect that you are proud of this fact!

Let me ask you, following your logic, should you not should encourage your children to transgress - that will "save" them from being FFB's???

You further claim that, "baalei teshuva are often more fervent and excited about avodas Hashem than the average run of the mill ffb" - sorry, but it seems to me that you are more excited about growing up WITHOUT avodas Hashem. At least, excited enough to make a daily brocha for this. I wouldn't answer Amen to your brocha, instead I say with pity, Shame on you! ”

“ Hashem gives us ALL challenges - nisyonos. The FFB and the BT each have their respective challenge. The nisoyon isn't easier or harder on the other side of the fence - just different.

Chazal tell us that the rich are challenged to spend time learning Torah - they have so much business to do. They think their challenge is greater than the poor person's. Meanwhile, the poor person is challenged to spend time learning Torah - for he must earn a living to survive. The poor think their challenge is greater than the rich person's. Each thinks, "If only I was...(poor/rich)...then I would have the time to study Torah!"

Chazal tell us," Ashrei me shelo chota - blessed is the one who never sinned", "u'me shechota yoshuv vyimchol lo - and he who sinned should return and will be forgiven."

Our goal is to be connected to Hashem. One doesn't get "better" connected to Hashem by abandoning Hashem. Our goal is to fullfill the will of Hashem as directed in our Torah - one cannot fullfill the will of Hashem by neglecting the Torah.

May we get chizuk from each other, as we look forward to the promise that no Jew will be left behind in Golus, let us march to greet Moshiach, as Chabad says: NOW! ”

“ So you say a bracha everyday..........SHELO OSANI FFB???!!!

So, every day you thank Hashem that you had many years that were absent of Torah and Mitzvos?! Every day you thank Hashem that in your earlier years you were able to transgress against His will?! And I detect that you are proud of this fact!

Let me ask you, following your logic, should you not should encourage your children to transgress - that will "save" them from being FFB's???

You further claim that, "baalei teshuva are often more fervent and excited about avodas Hashem than the average run of the mill ffb" - sorry, but it seems to me that you are more excited about growing up WITHOUT avodas Hashem. At least, excited enough to make a daily brocha for this. I wouldn't answer Amen to your brocha, instead I say with pity, Shame on you! ”

“ Esther- don't try to spin this, #22 is very right in what he said . For that poster to suggest that he makes a brocho every day that SHELO OSANI FFB is seriously misguided and very dangerous. He may want to thank H-shem that he finally found the emes, but to thank that he is not a FFB, and that he is all the better for it, is totally irresponsible and factually wrong. For starters all the transgressions of earlier years need Teshuvah and a tikkun, and so I'm not sure how one could actually think that he is all the better for not being a FFB. Not withstanding I speak for many when we say that we are all in amazement at some of todays Baalei Teshuva who truly a lesson for us all. ”

“ of course we bt's are the better for having having sinned in the past and then doing tshuva.( i'm not saying to purposely sin in order to do tshuva ),another basic premise gam zu ltovah,everything that happened in my life is hashgacha protis and therefore the best possible for me.btw,in chassidus it explains that each mitzvah is like a thread or rope connecting us to Hashem. an avaira severs the rope whereas tshuva reconnects the rope with a knot,a stonger connection then the original rope. ”