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Melbourne, Australia - Some star power and an outpouring of opposition to a boys’ school opening in an Elsternwick street had the desired effect for residents.

Glen Eira Council last rejected plans for a three-storey Jewish school for 325 primary and secondary students in Regent St.

The council received 122 objections.

Before the meeting about 50 protesters from the neighborhood - including singer Kate Ceberano and Rick McKenna, the husband of Kath and Kim’s Gina Riley - voiced their concerns about traffic, noise and security.

Inside the chamber it was standing room only as councillors voted 7-2 against a planning report recommending a permit be granted.

Kate Ceberano’s mum, Cherie, said the outcome was “sensational”.

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The large number of people moving through the small street during the proposed hours would have been “unreal”, Mrs Ceberano said.

The school’s hours were to be from 7am-6pm, six days a week, with some classes finishing at 9.30pm.

Applicant Network Planning Consultants lodged the plans on behalf of Yesodei Hatorah College, which leases rooms at the Elwood Shul Talmud Torah synagogue in Dickens St.

Resident David Willis was concerned the issue might now be appealed at VCAT.

With four schools within 600m, including Caulfield Grammar and St Joesph’s Primary, traffic was already “gridlocked,” he said.

“Having a school that size on a very small block of land is too intense,” Mr Willis said.

“To have a fifth school in there was clearly going to create more chaos.”

Mayor Steven Tang said it was a difficult decision.

“Everyone wants the best education for their children,” Cr Tang said. “Unfortunately in this instance the proposal didn’t fit with the site.”


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 Mar 01, 2010 at 05:19 PM czyrankevic Says:

it is the same everywhere in monsey uk nj they always come with the same story traffic will become unbearable the noise to loud students running wild urinating.on private property or worse in public overloading the sewew system draining the water supply and so on lets face it its plain hatred for yidden which has recently become more intense and severe and dont forget the pipeline for kj

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 Mar 01, 2010 at 05:36 PM langiers dr Says:

What Yeshiva was the going to be?Adas Yisroel,Chabad or Bais Hatalmud affiliated iirc with Lakewood.Anybody know?

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 Mar 01, 2010 at 06:00 PM Monsey Man Says:

Yes, and in Monsey it has become unbearable for everyone else. route 306 is a disaster. it is not fair to impose this on others, but I realize most from that community don't care what others think.

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 Mar 01, 2010 at 06:00 PM Anonymous Says:

The YHT school is unaffiliated with any other institution in town. It fills a need for a "litvishe" type school with emphasis on excellence in both Kodesh and chol studies. This council rejection is a true pity as it is currently bursting at the seams and really needs the new building desperately!

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 Mar 01, 2010 at 07:13 PM aussie Says:

I send my boys to this school.

The board always predicted this would happen, as the political agendas were obvious from the start. The dispute will now move through legal channels which will have to decide not on the emotional/fears of the locals, but on a legal (town planning) basis. We are hopeful they will succeed I''YH.

In terms of decisions and policy, it is not officially affilliated with any of the kehillos you mentioned, but Yesodei has children from all of them (Chabad, Adas, Lakewood/Beis Hatalmud) and many other shuls aswell such as Heichal, Shaarei Tefilla and others.

You would consider it a Litvishe Yeshiva, (The Menahel R Straijcher is originally from Chaim Berlin, as was its previous Menahal R Yisroel Meir Rubinfeld and the original founder R Dovid Noijowitz who is now running Torah Mesorah) but it has Rebbeim ranging from Yeshivish to Belzer to Chabad. We as parents are very happy with its warm environment and the lack of emphasis on labelling any particular group as more chashuv than the other. The new building will allow it to expand to the next level of its development, as the present building is B'H becoming to small.

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 Mar 01, 2010 at 09:00 PM Anonymous Says:

When is the school board going to pay what they owe the Elwood Congregation for hosting them in their premises???

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 Mar 01, 2010 at 09:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
czyrankevic Says:

it is the same everywhere in monsey uk nj they always come with the same story traffic will become unbearable the noise to loud students running wild urinating.on private property or worse in public overloading the sewew system draining the water supply and so on lets face it its plain hatred for yidden which has recently become more intense and severe and dont forget the pipeline for kj

"lets face it its plain hatred for yidden which has recently become more intense and severe"

No: its plain hatred by neighborhood residents the world over who don't want a yiddeshe or goiyehse school, church or schlachthois in their backyards when the neighborhood is zoned for residential only. Get over your paranoia. This is not Germany in 1938.

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 Mar 01, 2010 at 09:43 PM Anonymous Says:

R Straijcher is a real mentsch, he will persevere.

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 Mar 01, 2010 at 09:49 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

"lets face it its plain hatred for yidden which has recently become more intense and severe"

No: its plain hatred by neighborhood residents the world over who don't want a yiddeshe or goiyehse school, church or schlachthois in their backyards when the neighborhood is zoned for residential only. Get over your paranoia. This is not Germany in 1938.

And yet Caulfield Grammar has no problem getting permits for whatever it likes. Yes, it is antisemitism.

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 Mar 01, 2010 at 11:23 PM Anonymous Says:

I am a New Yorker but I have relatives who attend this school, and let me tell you it is awesome! My relative's kids are miles ahead of mine (who attend right wing but mainstream NY yeshivos) in both Kodesh and chol. Not necessarily in bekius but in depth and clarity they won hands down. And in chol they were doing stuff in elementary that we don't see in high school! They are doing something right down there and I wish them full hatzlocho with their building. This school seems to be a beacon of hope and normalcy in a Jewish world gone possibly mad!

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 01:40 AM Anonymous Says:

My son also goes to this school - and we desperately need new facilities! Where does the council expect the children of the local area to go to school? Caulfield Grammer and all the others in the area are huge, and continue to expand! Perhaps more equality in the allowance of permits for schools to build reasonably sized schools (without the huge ovals and countless other buildings), and then everyone can get a fair go and access to space inside Glen Eira! If only we knew about this 'protest' perhaps we could have come out for the other side... And as almost every child is local (as opposed to Caulfield Grammer) plenty of them are within 5 minutes walk from home if Regent St does go ahead, so there won't be as much traffic as there is around Caulfield Grammer and Grimwade house - not that you see the council doing much about that!

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 10:56 AM Ex Aussie Says:

Isn't it sad that the Litvishe Rosh Kollel tries to get his yungerleit to send their children toi the SDatmarer Cheder rather than to this top Mosod!

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 01:22 PM Lakewood Fellow Says:

Reply to #13  
Ex Aussie Says:

Isn't it sad that the Litvishe Rosh Kollel tries to get his yungerleit to send their children toi the SDatmarer Cheder rather than to this top Mosod!

The Real Rosh Kollel who founded this beautiful Mosod left Melbourne and now heads Torah UMesora in New York. He was never replaced as the Kollel was Hijacked after he left.

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 03:16 PM Anonymous Says:

My mother lives near both Regent Street and Caulfield Grammar School. I would object to the building of the school in Regen Street as well. The street is a narrow street. With the possibility of the school being in use 6 days a week, the traffic in the area would be impossible. Caulfield Grammar is situated on a main road. The other fact is that the Regent Street school is an overdevelopment of the site. The development is almost all development without little open space for students. Those who say the Caulfield Grammar developments reflect anti semitism on the part of the Glen Eira Council are wrong. The majority of the Jewish councillors voted against the Regent Street school.

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 04:12 PM Yotzo Tzzadik Min Ha'Ir Says:

Reply to #14  
Lakewood Fellow Says:

The Real Rosh Kollel who founded this beautiful Mosod left Melbourne and now heads Torah UMesora in New York. He was never replaced as the Kollel was Hijacked after he left.

Rabbi Dovid Nojowits Shlita who founded Kollel Beth Hatalmud as well as Yesodei Hatorah college is a giant of a man. A real Godol. He currently heads Torah Umesora in New York. Since he left Melbourne his Kollel (Beth HaTalmud) is totally ruined. He ran it with Anivos and no personal iterests. Since his departure Egos have taken over resulting in packe Beis Hamedrash nearly empty. The happy atmosphere is gone. The L'Shem Shomayim role Model is gone.
WE ALL MISS REB DOVID Shlita! He was a real role model. Now we see how true the mishna is whoever runs from Kovod..... and the opposite!

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 05:08 PM A Parent Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

My mother lives near both Regent Street and Caulfield Grammar School. I would object to the building of the school in Regen Street as well. The street is a narrow street. With the possibility of the school being in use 6 days a week, the traffic in the area would be impossible. Caulfield Grammar is situated on a main road. The other fact is that the Regent Street school is an overdevelopment of the site. The development is almost all development without little open space for students. Those who say the Caulfield Grammar developments reflect anti semitism on the part of the Glen Eira Council are wrong. The majority of the Jewish councillors voted against the Regent Street school.

I keep reading about the concern of the Regent St residents about "overdevelopment" of the site. They say that there will not be enough playground space for the boys etc. If this is your genuine concern, and you have the best interests of our boys at heart, then please voice it to the planners and architects! I have serious doubts that this is the case, however. As a parent, I would much rather that my child have an appropriately sized classroom, a library, and a beis medrash than a couple of extra metres of play space. This plan was drawn up with all the legalities of play space etc worked out so it cannot possibly be "overdeveloped". Please do not use this excuse as a cover for your real intentions. We understand that it is a small street, and that argument is legitimate. But please understand that we are desperate to move out of our current premises, and find this misplaced concern very hard to swallow.

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 06:57 PM Anonymous Says:

reb dovid a real tzaddik

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 10:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
A Parent Says:

I keep reading about the concern of the Regent St residents about "overdevelopment" of the site. They say that there will not be enough playground space for the boys etc. If this is your genuine concern, and you have the best interests of our boys at heart, then please voice it to the planners and architects! I have serious doubts that this is the case, however. As a parent, I would much rather that my child have an appropriately sized classroom, a library, and a beis medrash than a couple of extra metres of play space. This plan was drawn up with all the legalities of play space etc worked out so it cannot possibly be "overdeveloped". Please do not use this excuse as a cover for your real intentions. We understand that it is a small street, and that argument is legitimate. But please understand that we are desperate to move out of our current premises, and find this misplaced concern very hard to swallow.

It may well be that your current premises (Elwood Shul) may no longer be suitable for the school's needs. However the residents have voiced their concern and their concerns were note and accepted. If planning permission was granted for a school, the school has to conform to various criteria and that includes play space. You may not be concerned with such issues but educational authorities both Federal and State, planning and others are. The school does have the option to either redraw its plans and resubmit or appeal to VCAT and ultimately to the Supreme Court. Ours concerns have nothing to do with school per se ( it could have have been a Catholic school) the issue would have remained the same. I dare say if it were the latter you be objecting. The school just fails on planning issues.

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 10:48 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

It may well be that your current premises (Elwood Shul) may no longer be suitable for the school's needs. However the residents have voiced their concern and their concerns were note and accepted. If planning permission was granted for a school, the school has to conform to various criteria and that includes play space. You may not be concerned with such issues but educational authorities both Federal and State, planning and others are. The school does have the option to either redraw its plans and resubmit or appeal to VCAT and ultimately to the Supreme Court. Ours concerns have nothing to do with school per se ( it could have have been a Catholic school) the issue would have remained the same. I dare say if it were the latter you be objecting. The school just fails on planning issues.

The school already conforms to all the relevant rules and regulations, which is why the planning report recommended that it be approved. The majority of councillors improperly bowed to the residents' pressure, probably expecting VCAT to overturn their decision. You do not own the street just because you live there; the Yesodei parents and children are entitled to build suitable premises, and there is nowhere in the area more suitable than the site they found. If you think they should go elsewhere, why don't you find them a site you think will be more suitable? You won't because you can't, because there isn't one.

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 Mar 02, 2010 at 11:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Milhouse Says:

The school already conforms to all the relevant rules and regulations, which is why the planning report recommended that it be approved. The majority of councillors improperly bowed to the residents' pressure, probably expecting VCAT to overturn their decision. You do not own the street just because you live there; the Yesodei parents and children are entitled to build suitable premises, and there is nowhere in the area more suitable than the site they found. If you think they should go elsewhere, why don't you find them a site you think will be more suitable? You won't because you can't, because there isn't one.

In response to Milhouse
1. I live nearby but never said that I own the street (nor do the residents of Regent Street). However we do have a right to object to the planning process.
2. Perhaps the council expects VCAT to overturn the decision. Given Glen Eira Council's record it would be par for the course.
3. I never said that Yesodei are not entitled to build suitable premises on an appropriate site. It is for Yesodei's parents to find suitable premises. There are and must be lots of other sites in the inner south east.
4. Planning rules apply to Yesodei just as they apply to me.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 12:20 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

In response to Milhouse
1. I live nearby but never said that I own the street (nor do the residents of Regent Street). However we do have a right to object to the planning process.
2. Perhaps the council expects VCAT to overturn the decision. Given Glen Eira Council's record it would be par for the course.
3. I never said that Yesodei are not entitled to build suitable premises on an appropriate site. It is for Yesodei's parents to find suitable premises. There are and must be lots of other sites in the inner south east.
4. Planning rules apply to Yesodei just as they apply to me.

If you think there are lots of more suitable sites, why don't you suggest one or two to them? Maybe they'll agree and go elsewhere. Meanwhile there's this site, which already has an old age home, and is perfect for them; the planning committee agreed.

Oh, and by the way, this is an orthodox Jewish site, which means that God's laws are more important to us than any man-made law. And the halacha is clear that a torah school takes priority over its neighbours' right to peace and quiet.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 01:34 AM ex Melbournian Says:

Reb Dovid Shlita is treated alot better here in New York than some Kovod Seekers treated him in Melbourne. I believe the whole board resigned when Reb Dovid left as they couldn't deal with those Bnei Torah who only cared about their personal interests and egos. Apparently the whole board is now made up of very young inexperienced YES MEN who do not represent the community that founded and funded the Kollel under the leadership and Mesiras Nefesh of Rabbi Noyowitz. Apparently these young fellows are sent out to spread lies and Loshon Hora about anyone that doesn't tow their party line including some very choshever Yidden and Talmidei Chachomim!

A school that just starting a few years ago by Reb Dovid (and with alot of opposition of those that were jealous of the kovod Reb Dovid received in recognition of always putting himself last) needs to build for over 300 talmidim is mamash gevaltig. The Torah and Yiddishkewit that Reb Dovid has established is legendary.
The avlos and agmas nefesh caused by 2-3 families in Melbourne is a disgrace.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 02:55 AM David Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

It may well be that your current premises (Elwood Shul) may no longer be suitable for the school's needs. However the residents have voiced their concern and their concerns were note and accepted. If planning permission was granted for a school, the school has to conform to various criteria and that includes play space. You may not be concerned with such issues but educational authorities both Federal and State, planning and others are. The school does have the option to either redraw its plans and resubmit or appeal to VCAT and ultimately to the Supreme Court. Ours concerns have nothing to do with school per se ( it could have have been a Catholic school) the issue would have remained the same. I dare say if it were the latter you be objecting. The school just fails on planning issues.

I am not sure that you are right! Council overturned it as they are politicians and were heavily lobied. The School knew all along that council will not approve it. But VCAT is an independent tribunual who doesn't care at all who wants what. They will give a verdict on the merits of the application. So we will have to wait for the umpires decision.
Either for Limud HaTorah or for the luxury of some greedy neighbours!

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 05:00 AM No Seichel Says:

If RBW would spend time running the Kollel rather than picking fights with half the community the kollel would look alot better and his respect wouldn't be as low as it is. But he is not a clever man.

Just one example! For RBW to have tried to pasel the Rav of the Melbourne Chabad community from being an Eid Kiddushin due to Chabads Moshiach Campaign is stupid. He should have rather withdrawn himself from Siddur Kiddushin than shame a prominent Rabbi. But then when people threatened to stop giving money RBW suddenly found a different Halacha to reverse his previous psak.

This ongoing behaviour causes the non religous to treat Rabbonim as a joke!

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 07:13 AM Anonymous Says:

The probelm with you Milhouse and the Yesodai Hatorah board is that you think that you are above the laws of the land. Your comment that " this is an orthodox Jewish site, which means that God's laws are more important to us than any man-made law" is one of the reasons you wont get a permit in the City of Glen Eira or City of Port Philip and you'll be thrown out of Elwood Shul. The arrogance you spruik only alienates your community within the Jewish community and the greater community of Melbourne.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 08:58 AM SHALIACHS WIFE! Says:

Reply to #25  
No Seichel Says:

If RBW would spend time running the Kollel rather than picking fights with half the community the kollel would look alot better and his respect wouldn't be as low as it is. But he is not a clever man.

Just one example! For RBW to have tried to pasel the Rav of the Melbourne Chabad community from being an Eid Kiddushin due to Chabads Moshiach Campaign is stupid. He should have rather withdrawn himself from Siddur Kiddushin than shame a prominent Rabbi. But then when people threatened to stop giving money RBW suddenly found a different Halacha to reverse his previous psak.

This ongoing behaviour causes the non religous to treat Rabbonim as a joke!

When he and his wife said it was Loshon Hora to complain about the Principal of a girls school which enabled her to continue to molest students was much worse!

Rabbi Telsner of Chabad got involved and forced this Principal out of the country and critisized those that try to keep it a secret. This is why Rabbi Telsner was now punished and was made Posul to be an Eid.

In Carlisle street everything is done with a cheshbon of vengance. A little chassidus would go a long way!

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 09:00 AM Lakewood Says:

Yesodei was established promising parents that boys will graduate & be able to attend university, something not possible when attending the old and established Charedi Adass school.
It was strange then and still not understood, how rabbi Nojowitz who was one of the heads of the Lakewood Beth Hatalmud could do this? After all, isn't the Lakewood shittah that one learns kodesh forever and college is chazir treif? The question has not yet been answered. But the fact that not a single melamed in that school sends his own children there sure says something about it. In the days when R Nojowitz ruled the roost he DEMANDED that kollel members send their sons to this school - which let's face it includes boys from Mizrachi families, homes with TV etc.

Some of the yungeleit- rather than accept these orders, picked themselves up and left Melb. Others simply ignored this demand. Meanwhile even melamdim who were imported and hired on condition that they enroll their kids in Yesodei - have quickly withdrawn them and put them into Adass.

So to all the fans out there, sure, it's a great school for Mizrachi families and BTs, but for heimish/charedim – no way. RBW was right.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 10:28 AM Yotzo Tzzadik Min Ha'Ir Says Says:

Reply to #28  
Lakewood Says:

Yesodei was established promising parents that boys will graduate & be able to attend university, something not possible when attending the old and established Charedi Adass school.
It was strange then and still not understood, how rabbi Nojowitz who was one of the heads of the Lakewood Beth Hatalmud could do this? After all, isn't the Lakewood shittah that one learns kodesh forever and college is chazir treif? The question has not yet been answered. But the fact that not a single melamed in that school sends his own children there sure says something about it. In the days when R Nojowitz ruled the roost he DEMANDED that kollel members send their sons to this school - which let's face it includes boys from Mizrachi families, homes with TV etc.

Some of the yungeleit- rather than accept these orders, picked themselves up and left Melb. Others simply ignored this demand. Meanwhile even melamdim who were imported and hired on condition that they enroll their kids in Yesodei - have quickly withdrawn them and put them into Adass.

So to all the fans out there, sure, it's a great school for Mizrachi families and BTs, but for heimish/charedim – no way. RBW was right.

But isn't this the same RBW who has established a Modern Orthodox Shule (Ohr Yisrael) with the prayer for the state of Israel and hardly no Mechitzah to compete with Rav Kohn of Gatesheads Shule. Rav Kohn who has done wonders in Kiruv was simply punished him for not stopping his uncle in Bnei Brak examining a phony Din Torah that RBW held (without listening to one side) to help his financial Backer the good doctor and President, appointed by RBW?

Was this Reb Arons Shitah?

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 11:28 AM Lakewood Says:

Reb BW is a Tzaddik as well as a big Talmid Chochom who has many children learning in Eretz Yisroel. The good Doctor has been very kind and generous and has financed his family for many years including paying for numerous Weddings. Reb BW makes no secret that he has HaKoras HaTov to the Doctor and so should he.

Some are jealous of the close friendship between the Rosh Kollel and his President, but it is a very normal thing for the Rosh Kollel to help his financial backer, as long as he doesn't hide this fact which he doesn't.

The doctor has helped the family of the Rosh Kollel with probably many hundreds of thousands of dollars. The doctor definitely deserves support and Kavod.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 12:15 PM Crown Heights Says:

Rabbi W needs to publicly apologize from Rabbi Tesner and the Lubavitch Community.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 12:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Crown Heights Says:

Rabbi W needs to publicly apologize from Rabbi Tesner and the Lubavitch Community.

Please don't stand on one leg waiting!

It is over one year since R.b.w. was told by Daas Tora that he needs to apologize and pay compensation to HaGaon Reb Tzvi Rosen Shlita who had to leave Australia due to fabricated trumped up charges against him.

Rabbi Rosens only sin was that many wanted him to become Av Beis Din but jealosy got in the way!

This episode was probally the darkest chapter in Kollel Beis HaTalmuds takeover.

R.b.w. will never be respected by the vast majority of Torah Jews until he rectifys this terible Avlo.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 02:34 PM Sammy Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

Please don't stand on one leg waiting!

It is over one year since R.b.w. was told by Daas Tora that he needs to apologize and pay compensation to HaGaon Reb Tzvi Rosen Shlita who had to leave Australia due to fabricated trumped up charges against him.

Rabbi Rosens only sin was that many wanted him to become Av Beis Din but jealosy got in the way!

This episode was probally the darkest chapter in Kollel Beis HaTalmuds takeover.

R.b.w. will never be respected by the vast majority of Torah Jews until he rectifys this terible Avlo.

He doesn't seem to be such a "Yekka" after all!

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

The probelm with you Milhouse and the Yesodai Hatorah board is that you think that you are above the laws of the land. Your comment that " this is an orthodox Jewish site, which means that God's laws are more important to us than any man-made law" is one of the reasons you wont get a permit in the City of Glen Eira or City of Port Philip and you'll be thrown out of Elwood Shul. The arrogance you spruik only alienates your community within the Jewish community and the greater community of Melbourne.

1. I agree with the comments of Anon26. The rules apply to all irrespective of religious beliefs.

2. Much of the other commentary seems to relate to issues within a certain segment of the community and have scores to settle with each other For those who objected, these issues are irrelevant. Some of these comments better belong on AJNwatch.

3. As to any Jewish educational body that ignores allegations (whether true or not) of sexual misconduct by staff is not only breaking law but deserves the disrespect of the community. One only need to look at what has happened to the Catholic and christian churches here in Australia and elsewhere.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 04:19 PM ex Kollel member! Says:

Reply to #30  
Lakewood Says:

Reb BW is a Tzaddik as well as a big Talmid Chochom who has many children learning in Eretz Yisroel. The good Doctor has been very kind and generous and has financed his family for many years including paying for numerous Weddings. Reb BW makes no secret that he has HaKoras HaTov to the Doctor and so should he.

Some are jealous of the close friendship between the Rosh Kollel and his President, but it is a very normal thing for the Rosh Kollel to help his financial backer, as long as he doesn't hide this fact which he doesn't.

The doctor has helped the family of the Rosh Kollel with probably many hundreds of thousands of dollars. The doctor definitely deserves support and Kavod.

I cannot agree.
If someone has a generous benefactor they should definetly show appreciation. But not on the account of others!
Here a Rosh Kollel sacks an entire board (who founded and funded the Kollel) and gives the entire Mosod to his benefactor and friend, who has already appointed his very young son as head of night seder, plus can have many tax advantages as well.
Besides this the Rosh Kollel (RBW) has demanded 2 ex partners of his benefactor and appointed President (on seperate occasions) to hand over large amounts of money to their former partner without any real reason, without any Din Torah at all nor even listening to their side of the story.

This is not right. Give, but from your own pocket. Not on the community's account!

He called publicly the previous board and founders of the Kollel (who originally employed him) YEVONIM and called his friend, benefactor and President a TZADIK GOMOR! If you would see the advirtisments this cosmetic doctor places in the media you would not call him a Tzadik Gomor!

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 08:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
SHALIACHS WIFE! Says:

When he and his wife said it was Loshon Hora to complain about the Principal of a girls school which enabled her to continue to molest students was much worse!

Rabbi Telsner of Chabad got involved and forced this Principal out of the country and critisized those that try to keep it a secret. This is why Rabbi Telsner was now punished and was made Posul to be an Eid.

In Carlisle street everything is done with a cheshbon of vengance. A little chassidus would go a long way!

I am not sticking up for Rabbi Wurtzberger. He has done some mistakes. But it is not fair to blame him for everything.

The saga with the former principal who molested some of her students was not something Rabbi W. should be blamed for. The Rabbonim of Adass Rabbi Beck and Rabbi Katz knew much more than Rabbi W. and were dealing with it. They erred terribly, and Rabbi W. should not be held responsible for this terrible story.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 09:12 PM ISDN Says:

i also have the kollel.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 09:20 PM ISDN Says:

i go to the kollel every day to learn even though i'm against the new regime cuz i know they cringe everytime they see me walk in. And my chavrusa feels the same way. How we supported the kollel for years and now cuz we where on the "other side" they total ignore us and make up feel unwanted.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 10:21 PM Anonymous Says:

What a disgrace this new regime is, they are a bunch of cowboys who got themselves a new toy called the Kollel to keep themselves entertained. I have such sadness to see such a once great Mosod reduced to tatters.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 10:23 PM Uncle Sam Says:

You fellows down under sure have some problems!

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 10:02 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

1. I agree with the comments of Anon26. The rules apply to all irrespective of religious beliefs.

2. Much of the other commentary seems to relate to issues within a certain segment of the community and have scores to settle with each other For those who objected, these issues are irrelevant. Some of these comments better belong on AJNwatch.

3. As to any Jewish educational body that ignores allegations (whether true or not) of sexual misconduct by staff is not only breaking law but deserves the disrespect of the community. One only need to look at what has happened to the Catholic and christian churches here in Australia and elsewhere.

1. God tells you one thing and the Glen Eira council tells you another; whose words should control?

2. Agreed; the internecine kollel disputes are off-topic

3. What crime was committed? As far as I know these were form 6 girls, who can be assumed to all be over 16.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 10:50 PM No Seichel Says:

Reply to #40  
Uncle Sam Says:

You fellows down under sure have some problems!

Well our problem came from the States.

Take him back!!

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 10:55 PM Shaliachs wife Says:

Reply to #40  
Uncle Sam Says:

You fellows down under sure have some problems!

The good Doctor is not so generous.
He has the Rosh Kollel giving him a Hechsher for a rather controversial profession. The doctor is making millions but it is not so very kosher, so a few dollars go a long way.

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 11:19 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

1. I agree with the comments of Anon26. The rules apply to all irrespective of religious beliefs.

2. Much of the other commentary seems to relate to issues within a certain segment of the community and have scores to settle with each other For those who objected, these issues are irrelevant. Some of these comments better belong on AJNwatch.

3. As to any Jewish educational body that ignores allegations (whether true or not) of sexual misconduct by staff is not only breaking law but deserves the disrespect of the community. One only need to look at what has happened to the Catholic and christian churches here in Australia and elsewhere.

People, could we please stay on topic. This article is about Yesodei and its proposed building on Regent St. It is not about the internal politics of Beis Hameis, or about Mrs L or Rabbi T, or Rebbetzin W, or any other Melbourne shmutz. For all of that there is AJN Watch.

Yes, I get it. Rabbi N started Yesodei, and Rabbi N was kicked out of the kollel, therefore everything that goes on in the kollel gets dragged in. Rebbetzin W was involved in bringing Mrs L from Israel, therefore the Ws are also relevant. Rabbi T was involved in handling that case, therefore he's also on-topic. Pretty soon we'll be discussing Alex and his merrie men, and Dennis (the Xian nutcase with the shopping cart), and of course how could we forget Yossel, and Rabbi M, and with Pesach coming we must discuss the shocking price of murray perch.

Let's just stick to Yesodei, shall we?

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 Mar 03, 2010 at 11:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Lakewood Says:

Yesodei was established promising parents that boys will graduate & be able to attend university, something not possible when attending the old and established Charedi Adass school.
It was strange then and still not understood, how rabbi Nojowitz who was one of the heads of the Lakewood Beth Hatalmud could do this? After all, isn't the Lakewood shittah that one learns kodesh forever and college is chazir treif? The question has not yet been answered. But the fact that not a single melamed in that school sends his own children there sure says something about it. In the days when R Nojowitz ruled the roost he DEMANDED that kollel members send their sons to this school - which let's face it includes boys from Mizrachi families, homes with TV etc.

Some of the yungeleit- rather than accept these orders, picked themselves up and left Melb. Others simply ignored this demand. Meanwhile even melamdim who were imported and hired on condition that they enroll their kids in Yesodei - have quickly withdrawn them and put them into Adass.

So to all the fans out there, sure, it's a great school for Mizrachi families and BTs, but for heimish/charedim – no way. RBW was right.

I believe that this post is spiraling out of control, can we please stop the loshon hara? To whoever you may be, one of the things I appreciate about this school is that they teach the boys that they are all Yidden, with no labels attached. All the families in the school chose it because they believe in the outcome. They may come from disparate backgrounds, but they are trying to achieve a similar goal. Sure there are hiccups, which institution doesn't have them? Sure there are families who decide that it does not fit their hashkofo. It is a free country. But my son is growing up with a level of tolerance for others, which unfortunately I did not receive in another local institution. So I beg you to take you labels elsewhere. May we all be zoche to come to the knees of some of these "BTs". And please do your homework--there are melamdim in the school who have their sons there! Kol Tuv.

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 Mar 04, 2010 at 12:20 AM Bubba Says:

Why is RBW continuously trying to undermine Yesodei HaTorah?

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 Mar 04, 2010 at 10:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #44  
Milhouse Says:

People, could we please stay on topic. This article is about Yesodei and its proposed building on Regent St. It is not about the internal politics of Beis Hameis, or about Mrs L or Rabbi T, or Rebbetzin W, or any other Melbourne shmutz. For all of that there is AJN Watch.

Yes, I get it. Rabbi N started Yesodei, and Rabbi N was kicked out of the kollel, therefore everything that goes on in the kollel gets dragged in. Rebbetzin W was involved in bringing Mrs L from Israel, therefore the Ws are also relevant. Rabbi T was involved in handling that case, therefore he's also on-topic. Pretty soon we'll be discussing Alex and his merrie men, and Dennis (the Xian nutcase with the shopping cart), and of course how could we forget Yossel, and Rabbi M, and with Pesach coming we must discuss the shocking price of murray perch.

Let's just stick to Yesodei, shall we?

Rabbi N kicked out of the kollel??? C'mon #47 you know that nothing could be further from the truth, but why let the facts get in the way of good gossip!

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 Mar 04, 2010 at 12:26 PM ex Melbournian Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi N kicked out of the kollel??? C'mon #47 you know that nothing could be further from the truth, but why let the facts get in the way of good gossip!

Reb Dovid was apparently constantly undermined by the self appointed Daas Torah, who was constantly plotting to take over.

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 Mar 04, 2010 at 07:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi N kicked out of the kollel??? C'mon #47 you know that nothing could be further from the truth, but why let the facts get in the way of good gossip!

Rabbi Zvi Rosen, an outstanding Talmud Chochom was pushed out!

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 Mar 06, 2010 at 05:58 AM current yungerman Says:

we love ezra yes we do and also moishy goldshtick and all the other kollel lovers cuz if not for them kollel would really be boring. Keep up the good work guys!!!!

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