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Toronto, Canada - Just months after Ontario decided not to charge a Toronto man with hate crimes, partly because he was undergoing rehabilitation, he is again being investigated over his online writings on a website called Filthy Jewish Terrorists 
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Police are probing Salman Hossain’s recent postings on the Arizona-based Internet site on which he writes harshly about Jews, Christians and moderate Canadian Muslims, whom he calls “traitors.”
He refers to Jews as “diseased and filthy,” “the scum of the earth,” “psychotic” and “mass murderers” and writes that “a genocide should be perpetrated against the Jewish populations of North America and Europe.”
In addition, he blames Jews for terrorist plots, such as the Toronto 18 bomb conspiracy, which was the work of Islamist extremists. He also praises God for “the victorious resistance operations” in Afghanistan.
Abbee Corb of the Hate Crimes Extremism Investigative Team, which is made up of representatives of 13 Ontario municipal police forces, confirmed yesterday that an investigation is underway.
“We are, as a team, collectively looking at this individual. As far as what investigations we have underway, of course that information I can’t release because that could compromise any investigations that are ongoing.
“However, you can rest assured that the hate crimes extremism investigative team—again 13 police services—is looking into him and investigating him as we speak.”
In an email exchange with a National Post reporter, Mr. Hossain was unapologetic. Asked about the investigation, he responded that, “Your hate laws are only being used to stop the truth from being spoken.”
“I don’t fear telling the truth and I don’t answer to racist genocidal Jews who want to call ME a hater, when Jews hate ALL NON-JEWS. It’s not my fault you people rape babies, then cry foul when someone exposes it,” Mr. Hossain responded.
Canada’s hate crimes law prohibits supporting or promoting genocide, as well as the communication of statements (other than in private conversation) that wilfully promote hatred against an identifiable group.
“This is a slam dunk,” Bernie Farber, CEO of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said after reading the Internet postings. He called for an immediate investigation and was joined by writer Tarek Fatah, one of several so-called Muslim “traitors” named on the site.
“It’s pretty hard to believe that in the 20th century there is a blogger right here in Canada who calls for the genocide of the Jewish people. Can it get any worse than that?” Mr. Farber said.
Dave Ross, a spokesman for the Ontario Provincial Police, said yesterday the Hate Crimes and Extremism Unit of the force’s anti-terror section “was aware of a site and is conducting an investigation.”
Counterterrorism investigators first took notice of Mr. Hossain, who claims to know the ringleader of the Toronto 18 plot, three years ago after he posted messages online supporting terrorist attacks in Canada.
“We should do that here in Canada as well,” he wrote at the time. “Kill as many Western soldiers as well so that they think twice before entering foreign countries on behalf of their Jew masters ... if there were any planned attacks against Canadian/ American soldiers by ‘Muslim militants’ in Canadian soil, I’d support it.”
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Mar 03, 2010 at 09:07 PM PMO Says:Report as Inappropriate
This man is being harassed by his government for expressing his hateful, racist, antisemitic views. Every American should come to this man's defense... even if we have to fight hold down the vomit to do it. We have plenty of these kinds of groups here in America too. We should never support a government stifling this man's free speech. They have every right to monitor him from a legal distance, but not to harass him. Imagine if the government started visiting some of the people who write horrible things toward ALL Muslims, or as I have seen, the disgusting things said about the African American people living in parts of Brooklyn.
If he is guilty of a crime, then charge him with a crime. Convict him. Lock away the key. If he is guilty only of putting his thoughts on paper, leave him alone.
As hard as it is, we must stand up not for him, and not for his words, but for his right as a free man to speak his mind, no matter how sick it is.
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Mar 03, 2010 at 09:58 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This man is being harassed by his government for expressing his hateful, racist, antisemitic views. Every American should come to this man's defense... even if we have to fight hold down the vomit to do it. We have plenty of these kinds of groups here in America too. We should never support a government stifling this man's free speech. They have every right to monitor him from a legal distance, but not to harass him. Imagine if the government started visiting some of the people who write horrible things toward ALL Muslims, or as I have seen, the disgusting things said about the African American people living in parts of Brooklyn.
If he is guilty of a crime, then charge him with a crime. Convict him. Lock away the key. If he is guilty only of putting his thoughts on paper, leave him alone.
As hard as it is, we must stand up not for him, and not for his words, but for his right as a free man to speak his mind, no matter how sick it is. ”
Absolutely. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -- Beatrice Hall.
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Mar 03, 2010 at 11:49 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Absolutely. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -- Beatrice Hall. ”
Isn't that attributed to Voltaire? Although I have heard its a misconception.
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Mar 03, 2010 at 11:54 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Isn't that attributed to Voltaire? Although I have heard its a misconception. ”
Yes, it is often falsely attributed to Voltaire. But it is in fact by Hall.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 12:13 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This man is being harassed by his government for expressing his hateful, racist, antisemitic views. Every American should come to this man's defense... even if we have to fight hold down the vomit to do it. We have plenty of these kinds of groups here in America too. We should never support a government stifling this man's free speech. They have every right to monitor him from a legal distance, but not to harass him. Imagine if the government started visiting some of the people who write horrible things toward ALL Muslims, or as I have seen, the disgusting things said about the African American people living in parts of Brooklyn.
If he is guilty of a crime, then charge him with a crime. Convict him. Lock away the key. If he is guilty only of putting his thoughts on paper, leave him alone.
As hard as it is, we must stand up not for him, and not for his words, but for his right as a free man to speak his mind, no matter how sick it is. ”
You have a very nice and liberal twisted mind, but this mind set will bring disaster, you have to fight the enemy the way they fight and you cannot be nice to them and let them spew there hate, they the radicals Muslims understand it very well look how much noise they made about the mohamad cartoons and the guy in norway (or Sweden I'm not sure) that they beheaded because he made a film that was negative about Muslims, what happened to your nice thoughts of freedom of speech in that instances? They do not allow anyone to talk bad about them, we have to fight back the way they are fighting us if not we're doomed!
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Mar 04, 2010 at 01:03 AM Stand up for a criminal??? Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This man is being harassed by his government for expressing his hateful, racist, antisemitic views. Every American should come to this man's defense... even if we have to fight hold down the vomit to do it. We have plenty of these kinds of groups here in America too. We should never support a government stifling this man's free speech. They have every right to monitor him from a legal distance, but not to harass him. Imagine if the government started visiting some of the people who write horrible things toward ALL Muslims, or as I have seen, the disgusting things said about the African American people living in parts of Brooklyn.
If he is guilty of a crime, then charge him with a crime. Convict him. Lock away the key. If he is guilty only of putting his thoughts on paper, leave him alone.
As hard as it is, we must stand up not for him, and not for his words, but for his right as a free man to speak his mind, no matter how sick it is. ”
He is committing serious criminal offences. I will quote from the Criminal Code of Canada:
Advocating genocide
318. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Definition of “genocide”
(2) In this section, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,
(a) killing members of the group; or
(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.
...
Public incitement of hatred
319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Wilful promotion of hatred
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable...
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Mar 04, 2010 at 01:45 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ You have a very nice and liberal twisted mind, but this mind set will bring disaster, you have to fight the enemy the way they fight and you cannot be nice to them and let them spew there hate, they the radicals Muslims understand it very well look how much noise they made about the mohamad cartoons and the guy in norway (or Sweden I'm not sure) that they beheaded because he made a film that was negative about Muslims, what happened to your nice thoughts of freedom of speech in that instances? They do not allow anyone to talk bad about them, we have to fight back the way they are fighting us if not we're doomed! ”
Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right. We cannot tolerate a situation where the state censors people's speech, no matter what it is.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 01:49 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ He is committing serious criminal offences. I will quote from the Criminal Code of Canada:
Advocating genocide
318. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Definition of “genocide”
(2) In this section, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,
(a) killing members of the group; or
(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.
...
Public incitement of hatred
319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Wilful promotion of hatred
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable... ”
And those laws violate the fundamental human right to free speech. The 1st amendment to the USA constitution doesn't grant a right to free speech; it *protects* that right, which already existed before the amendment was made, and would exist even without it. All people everywhere have this right, and no state anywhere has the right to make laws suppressing it. It's just as fundamental as the rights to life, liberty, and property, which no government anywhere has the right to infringe. To the extent that Canada censors such expressions of opinion it is a tyranny, and must be opposed and condemned just as harshly as the most oppressive regime.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 05:20 AM joe shmoe Says:Report as Inappropriate
Face it! Freedom of speech is not a free pass to saying, promoting whatever one wants! The borderline is between just talking and incitement. Including incitement in freedom of speech would be a free pass for Hitler etc. to organize a whole army while only "talking his mind". which would make it to late to fight when too many people have been incited and organized by the inclusion of incitement in freedom of speech. For this reason every democracy has drawn the line by incitement.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 06:15 AM Shlomo Says:Report as Inappropriate
"Free speech," as a concept, was meant to allow for dissident voices to be heard about public policy. Challenging the government, bringing facts to light, arguing about laws and regulations. In practice, it's hard to establish a line between simply hateful speech with no public policy ("Jews are traitors") and hateful speech about public policy ("Obama is a communist"). The slippery slope of limiting freedom of speech has led the US to take a very cautious stance. Other countries try a more nuanced approach.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 07:33 AM Aron Says:Report as Inappropriate
There is no "absolute" free speech. There are exceptions. The classic example: one can't yell "fire" in a movie theater. The Canadian laws are just an extension of that exception.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 08:47 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ He is committing serious criminal offences. I will quote from the Criminal Code of Canada:
Advocating genocide
318. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Definition of “genocide”
(2) In this section, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,
(a) killing members of the group; or
(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.
...
Public incitement of hatred
319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Wilful promotion of hatred
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable... ”
Remember the ONLY criminals we are allowed to stand up for are murderers who kill law enforcement agents and then fake tshuva in the can to get attention.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 09:29 AM Beagle Says:Report as Inappropriate
Canadian laws are not subject to the U.S. Constitution. As I understand it, the rights and freedoms in the U.S. Constitution are absolute. That is not the case in Canada. Canada has its own Charter of Rights and Freedoms that recognizes freedom of expression. However, Section 1 of that same Charter states that all of the rights and freedoms recognized in the Charter are "subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society." Clearly, Canadian law recognizes that there are limits on all freedoms. As noted earlier, yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre should not be protected expression. That is a reasonable limit on freedom of expression. Similarly, calling for the genocide of a defined people should be illegal and any law that says so can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 10:02 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right. We cannot tolerate a situation where the state censors people's speech, no matter what it is. ”
It's precisely this mindblowing ironic liberal defense of an animal that repeateldy just wished U a horrible death in the article u just read that will destroy America.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 11:55 AM A. Nuran Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Absolutely. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -- Beatrice Hall. ”
Voltaire, actually.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 12:16 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ And those laws violate the fundamental human right to free speech. The 1st amendment to the USA constitution doesn't grant a right to free speech; it *protects* that right, which already existed before the amendment was made, and would exist even without it. All people everywhere have this right, and no state anywhere has the right to make laws suppressing it. It's just as fundamental as the rights to life, liberty, and property, which no government anywhere has the right to infringe. To the extent that Canada censors such expressions of opinion it is a tyranny, and must be opposed and condemned just as harshly as the most oppressive regime. ”
actually we do and it is governments responsibiliy too.. as the federalist papers state can you yell fire in a crowed movie theater causing death or injury if is no reason too the answer is no you will be tried canada as much of europe have laws against racism andcalls for mass murder get real and know the lawthere
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Mar 04, 2010 at 03:02 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Voltaire, actually. ”
As much as I'd like to agree with you and not Milhouse,he's actually right about the attribution of the quote.It's apparently a common misconception. But if it helps I'm a huge fan of you on this site (and abhor Milhouse).
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Mar 04, 2010 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ And those laws violate the fundamental human right to free speech. The 1st amendment to the USA constitution doesn't grant a right to free speech; it *protects* that right, which already existed before the amendment was made, and would exist even without it. All people everywhere have this right, and no state anywhere has the right to make laws suppressing it. It's just as fundamental as the rights to life, liberty, and property, which no government anywhere has the right to infringe. To the extent that Canada censors such expressions of opinion it is a tyranny, and must be opposed and condemned just as harshly as the most oppressive regime. ”
"It's just as fundamental as the rights to life, liberty, and property, which no government anywhere has the right to infringe."
These rights are not absolute.
Under specific circumstances a governmet may take one's life (ask Grossman a"h), certainly the loss of liberty is subject to government laws (ask anyone in prison), and likewise your property can be taxed and earnings garnished etc. You are presumed innocent, but if charged with certain offences, you may be denied bail and your liberty - notwithstanding your presumption of innocence.
Your privacy can be legally invaded by the state (sometimes even without a warrant - which is no more than official authorization for invading your privacy).
These fundamental rights are not absolute. Neither is freedom of speach.
Speach or expressions that are hurtful and threatening to others is criminal. Example, threatening death, extortion, conspiracy to commit a felony etc. These offences consist of nothing more than talk - yet are not saves by freedom of speach and expression.
The logic is because your individual freedom cannot impose on the quality of life for the rest of society.
That is not tyranny, but protection of the publc
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Mar 04, 2010 at 09:06 PM PMO Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ You have a very nice and liberal twisted mind, but this mind set will bring disaster, you have to fight the enemy the way they fight and you cannot be nice to them and let them spew there hate, they the radicals Muslims understand it very well look how much noise they made about the mohamad cartoons and the guy in norway (or Sweden I'm not sure) that they beheaded because he made a film that was negative about Muslims, what happened to your nice thoughts of freedom of speech in that instances? They do not allow anyone to talk bad about them, we have to fight back the way they are fighting us if not we're doomed! ”
Liberals (like you) are the ones trying to STIFLE free speech, not PROMOTE it. Libertarian CONSERVATIVES believe in the absolute right to free speech. Get your political movements straight, then maybe we can decipher what the heck you are talking about!
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Mar 04, 2010 at 09:10 PM PMO Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Face it! Freedom of speech is not a free pass to saying, promoting whatever one wants! The borderline is between just talking and incitement. Including incitement in freedom of speech would be a free pass for Hitler etc. to organize a whole army while only "talking his mind". which would make it to late to fight when too many people have been incited and organized by the inclusion of incitement in freedom of speech. For this reason every democracy has drawn the line by incitement. ”
Incitement requires someone to be leading a group of people into the commission of an act. This is just a nutbag with a web site. To compare him to Hitler is just plain stupid.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 09:11 PM PMO Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Canadian laws are not subject to the U.S. Constitution. As I understand it, the rights and freedoms in the U.S. Constitution are absolute. That is not the case in Canada. Canada has its own Charter of Rights and Freedoms that recognizes freedom of expression. However, Section 1 of that same Charter states that all of the rights and freedoms recognized in the Charter are "subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society." Clearly, Canadian law recognizes that there are limits on all freedoms. As noted earlier, yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre should not be protected expression. That is a reasonable limit on freedom of expression. Similarly, calling for the genocide of a defined people should be illegal and any law that says so can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. ”
So then if the US were to make it illegal to say "kill all the Muslims" you would be OK with that? You are not an American. No free society restricts the SPEECH of anyone. Period.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 09:13 PM PMO Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's precisely this mindblowing ironic liberal defense of an animal that repeateldy just wished U a horrible death in the article u just read that will destroy America. ”
Again, why do people think that that standing up for civil rights as expressed in our Constitution is "liberal"? You fool! It is the LIBERALS who want to sensor everything. That's why Canada has this inhuman law in the first place. No Conservative would ever deny a man his right to speak his mind... no matter how crazy he is.
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Mar 04, 2010 at 09:19 PM PMO Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "It's just as fundamental as the rights to life, liberty, and property, which no government anywhere has the right to infringe."
These rights are not absolute.
Under specific circumstances a governmet may take one's life (ask Grossman a"h), certainly the loss of liberty is subject to government laws (ask anyone in prison), and likewise your property can be taxed and earnings garnished etc. You are presumed innocent, but if charged with certain offences, you may be denied bail and your liberty - notwithstanding your presumption of innocence.
Your privacy can be legally invaded by the state (sometimes even without a warrant - which is no more than official authorization for invading your privacy).
These fundamental rights are not absolute. Neither is freedom of speach.
Speach or expressions that are hurtful and threatening to others is criminal. Example, threatening death, extortion, conspiracy to commit a felony etc. These offences consist of nothing more than talk - yet are not saves by freedom of speach and expression.
The logic is because your individual freedom cannot impose on the quality of life for the rest of society.
That is not tyranny, but protection of the publc ”
"Your privacy can be legally invaded by the state" - You can thank those liberal pigs Bush/Cheney for that one (the Patriot Act). Both of them tried to make people think they were Conservatives. Bush was a liberal and Cheney was a profiteer. When he spoke at CPAC I nearly threw up.
"Speach or expressions that are hurtful and threatening to others is criminal. Example, threatening death, extortion, conspiracy to commit a felony etc. These offences consist of nothing more than talk - yet are not saves by freedom of speach and expression."
You confuse the expression of ideas with making threats. Making a THREAT is illegal.
"The logic is because your individual freedom cannot impose on the quality of life for the rest of society."
How has this man infringed on your quality of life? If not for this news story you would have never even known he existed. Your premise is dishonest.
This guy did not threaten anyone, did not incite anyone to do anything, nor did he do anything specific to anyone else.
What about sites like VIN which allows posts of people rallying for the genocide of Muslims... should they be rounded up and jailed for being idiots? Of course not.
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Mar 05, 2010 at 01:46 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This man is being harassed by his government for expressing his hateful, racist, antisemitic views. Every American should come to this man's defense... even if we have to fight hold down the vomit to do it. We have plenty of these kinds of groups here in America too. We should never support a government stifling this man's free speech. They have every right to monitor him from a legal distance, but not to harass him. Imagine if the government started visiting some of the people who write horrible things toward ALL Muslims, or as I have seen, the disgusting things said about the African American people living in parts of Brooklyn.
If he is guilty of a crime, then charge him with a crime. Convict him. Lock away the key. If he is guilty only of putting his thoughts on paper, leave him alone.
As hard as it is, we must stand up not for him, and not for his words, but for his right as a free man to speak his mind, no matter how sick it is. ”
Definition of a liberal...Someone who is open-minded to the point that their brains fall out.
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Mar 07, 2010 at 03:15 AM PMO Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Definition of a liberal...Someone who is open-minded to the point that their brains fall out. ”
Definition of an ignoramus... Someone who thinks that the absolute right to free speech is a liberal issue, when it is in fact a CONSERVATIVE issue. It is liberals want to censor everything they don't like (religion, etc).