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Tel Aviv, Israel - A seven-year-old boy sustained moderate to serious wounds when he was attacked by a dog in a south Tel Aviv park on Sunday. The boy was evacuated to the Chaim Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer with deep facial lacerations.

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The boy’s mother suffered from shock and collapsed. She was also hospitalized.

The incident occurred while the boy was playing in the park located on Etzel Street with his sister. According to an initial investigation, the boy threw a rock at the dog, an American Staffordshire Terrier (Amstaff), who then attacked him.

Ichad Hatzolah and Magen David Adom paramedics administered first aid to the boy, who lost a lot of blood.

“The boy ran home after he was bitten. I found him there with deep facial cuts. I bandaged his face. His mother was hysterical,” said, Uri Sheratzky, one of the paramedics.

Police have yet to locate the dog or find out who it belongs to.


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 Mar 07, 2010 at 05:23 PM Babishka Says:

I had these next-door neighbors who were breeding pit bulls. Nasty, vicious mutts who didn't stop barking all day and all night. They got through the fence on the opposite side and attacked the neighbor.

A few weeks later, they threw all their stuff in an old van and split the joint. I guess the neighbor served them.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 05:23 PM Anti dogs Says:

I recently bought dog spray to carry with me just in case I encounter a stray dog. Relatively cheap and better safe than sorry.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:

The question remains was this a stray dog or belonged to someone? Wishing the boy and his mom a refuah shlaima. A world mishegas with dogs who are more loved than humans.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 05:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Dogs are amazing animals to bad the jewish community is brought up to hate them and fear them, if our community would have known how to love this animal, this child would have never thrown any stones on this lovely dog, and a mother and child would have not been in the hospital with life threatening injuries.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 06:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Dogs are amazing animals to bad the jewish community is brought up to hate them and fear them, if our community would have known how to love this animal, this child would have never thrown any stones on this lovely dog, and a mother and child would have not been in the hospital with life threatening injuries.

It is not a yidishe thing to own a dog in this crazy world behamos are part of the family and treated like humans this is not the Torah way. I have seen yidden in flatbush walking dogs on shabbos is this normal that what you do on shabbos take a walk with your dog(family) having pets in your house should not go past a turtle

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 06:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anti dogs Says:

I recently bought dog spray to carry with me just in case I encounter a stray dog. Relatively cheap and better safe than sorry.

what is dog spray?

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 06:32 PM Z. N. Mishegoss Says:

A Staffordshire Terrier is a pit bull, BTW.

A friend of mine upstate found a stray pit bull, starving, and took the dog in. The dog is now the family pet, friendly and happy - the worst thing about about this dog is that it likes to jump up on you when it greets you and it wants to play with you. It's not the dog - it's the owner that trains it to be what it is. If people wouldn't train their dogs to be aggressive you wouldn't have such issues. Refueh shelayma to the mother and child.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 06:00 PM did you notice? Says:

quote " According to an initial investigation, the boy threw a rock at the dog, an American Staffordshire Terrier (Amstaff), who then attacked him."

American Staffordshire Terrier: An extremely family-oriented dog who doesn't scare easily, the AmStaff does well with children. He is affable and protective. A child's play rarely invoke even a defensive nip from the dog. Good sense says always to supervise small children and dogs. A dog of ever-lasting patience and understanding, the Amstaff will endure the teasing of children without response, and because this breed has such a high threshold for pain, the dog may be seriously injured. Teach your children to play lovingly with your pet."

While of course the boys injuries are tragic, and I wish him a refuah sheleyma, this was not a provoked dog attack. Dont blame the dog for defending himself

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 06:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Babishka Says:

I had these next-door neighbors who were breeding pit bulls. Nasty, vicious mutts who didn't stop barking all day and all night. They got through the fence on the opposite side and attacked the neighbor.

A few weeks later, they threw all their stuff in an old van and split the joint. I guess the neighbor served them.

Awesome story, rich and compelling. We thank you for sharing.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 06:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Refuah shaima to the little boy. It's time someone taught children AND THEIR PARENTS not to throw rocks at dogs.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 06:58 PM reply #4 Says:

You sound like the pit bull owner before being attacked by their pit bull. Or the killer whale(Orca) trainer before being dragged to their death by their 'trained' whale.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 06:58 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Dogs are amazing animals to bad the jewish community is brought up to hate them and fear them, if our community would have known how to love this animal, this child would have never thrown any stones on this lovely dog, and a mother and child would have not been in the hospital with life threatening injuries.

Most people in our communities don't hate or fear dogs. Its that we have more important things in our lives like raising beautiful families, and learning Torah and doing acts of kindness, and so most of us don't have the time or frankly any interest in raising an animal. Its people who don't have all of the above and have nothing else are busy with their dog(s). I have yet to see a married man who has to support a family or a mother of kids walking a dog in the park. Its usually the lonely people who have no dependants and no job who are walking their dogs. The next time you see a mother of kids walking a dog in the park, you let us know.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 07:00 PM hello! Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Dogs are amazing animals to bad the jewish community is brought up to hate them and fear them, if our community would have known how to love this animal, this child would have never thrown any stones on this lovely dog, and a mother and child would have not been in the hospital with life threatening injuries.

How do you know the boy didn't throw the rock at the dog because he was trying to protect himself? When a child is threatened by a menacing attack dog what do you expect him to do? Make nice? Anyone who thinks it's the boy's fault should join PETA in protesting the use of animals by suicide bombers.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 07:06 PM Hatzolah of North Jersey Says:

Every so often, I overhear mothers telling scared kids "don't worry, the dog won't bite you," and encouraging them not to be afraid and not to keep away.

As I have responded to quite a few Hatzolah calls involving dog bites, I always want to ask the mother how she knows the dog won't bite.

At every dog bite call I have responded to, the dog had bitten unprovoked.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 07:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Dogs are amazing animals to bad the jewish community is brought up to hate them and fear them, if our community would have known how to love this animal, this child would have never thrown any stones on this lovely dog, and a mother and child would have not been in the hospital with life threatening injuries.

It's not so much that we have to teach them to love animals as much as we have to teach them the halachos of Tzaar Baalei Chayim!

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 07:42 PM OMG Says:

Reply to #14  
Hatzolah of North Jersey Says:

Every so often, I overhear mothers telling scared kids "don't worry, the dog won't bite you," and encouraging them not to be afraid and not to keep away.

As I have responded to quite a few Hatzolah calls involving dog bites, I always want to ask the mother how she knows the dog won't bite.

At every dog bite call I have responded to, the dog had bitten unprovoked.

Your comments shows me you don’t know a thing about dogs, usually dogs never bite unprovoked, they feel humans fear and that by itself provokes the dog to be on guard and protect if necessary. Even if a small baby tries to play with the dog, if it is a sudden move the dog will bite only to protect itself.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 08:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

It is not a yidishe thing to own a dog in this crazy world behamos are part of the family and treated like humans this is not the Torah way. I have seen yidden in flatbush walking dogs on shabbos is this normal that what you do on shabbos take a walk with your dog(family) having pets in your house should not go past a turtle

Here you have it ladies and gentleman a very classical case of a hater of other Yidden trying to dictate to them how to live. Nowhere in the Torah does it say a Yid cannot own a dog, and yes a Yid IS permitted to walk a dog on Shabbos in Flatbush and anywhere else.

Please stay in your small minded old ghetto world and leave us alone.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 08:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
cool masmid Says:

Most people in our communities don't hate or fear dogs. Its that we have more important things in our lives like raising beautiful families, and learning Torah and doing acts of kindness, and so most of us don't have the time or frankly any interest in raising an animal. Its people who don't have all of the above and have nothing else are busy with their dog(s). I have yet to see a married man who has to support a family or a mother of kids walking a dog in the park. Its usually the lonely people who have no dependants and no job who are walking their dogs. The next time you see a mother of kids walking a dog in the park, you let us know.

are you insane? there's no better family companion than a dog and the vast majority of them are owned, loved and, yes, walked by families!

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 08:30 PM Anonymous Says:

I hope the yingala has a speedy recovery and learned never to throw rocks at dogs again.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 08:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Hatzolah of North Jersey Says:

Every so often, I overhear mothers telling scared kids "don't worry, the dog won't bite you," and encouraging them not to be afraid and not to keep away.

As I have responded to quite a few Hatzolah calls involving dog bites, I always want to ask the mother how she knows the dog won't bite.

At every dog bite call I have responded to, the dog had bitten unprovoked.

Well with all due respect your experience must be very limited if you are intimating that every dog bite is unprovoked.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 08:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
OMG Says:

Your comments shows me you don’t know a thing about dogs, usually dogs never bite unprovoked, they feel humans fear and that by itself provokes the dog to be on guard and protect if necessary. Even if a small baby tries to play with the dog, if it is a sudden move the dog will bite only to protect itself.

I'm sorry but u must be a dog owner otherwise you would know the other side of the stories how dogs killed babies out of jealousy and they did in fact jump on people for no good reason, the reader digest had all those stories in one issue and it was enough to see that an animal will always stay one!!!

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 09:09 PM Usually? Says:

Reply to #16  
OMG Says:

Your comments shows me you don’t know a thing about dogs, usually dogs never bite unprovoked, they feel humans fear and that by itself provokes the dog to be on guard and protect if necessary. Even if a small baby tries to play with the dog, if it is a sudden move the dog will bite only to protect itself.

The key is your use of the word "usually."

True, usually dogs don't bite unprovoked, but sometimes they do, so keep away.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 09:13 PM Torah Vodaath Says:

I remember when one of the elderly Rosh Yeshiva's of Torah Vodaath was bitten by a dog.

According to some commentors here, he probably was provoking the dog and desirved it, right?

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 09:39 PM to #16 and the like Says:

You just stated that if a baby makes a sudden move, the dog WILL bite. It's irrelevant whether it's to "protect" itself or not! And many humans have a p h o b i a--they are scared. Is that a reason for them to be attacked, because the dog senses their fear?! Don't humans come before animals, after all?!

The poor child. A complete refuah shleimah to him and his mother. It boggles the mind to see people making negative comments about them at such a time

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 10:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Why is everyone hating on dogs now or trying to prove a point how dogs are bad and not good for Jewish homes? You don't have to be a genius to figure out that throwing stones at a dog will make it angry and force it into defensive mode. It's like throwing a stone at a Yolie on shabbos who will then start a riot. The mother should do a better job at teaching the kid to not provoke animals and to respect them. I believe 7 year olds have the capacity to understand that throwing stones at animals is dangerous or at least should.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 10:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Why don't all you ofgeklerte professional dog owners and defenders tell us poor ghetto yiddelech how to deal with dogs?

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 10:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

Why don't all you ofgeklerte professional dog owners and defenders tell us poor ghetto yiddelech how to deal with dogs?

1. Do not throw a rock at a dog
2. Do not throw anything AT a dog
3. Do not attack a dog in any way.
4. Do not attack any animal in any way, except under the following conditions:
A) You are a shochet, and the animal is destined to be some Yid's lunch/dinner
B) The animal seems to be going to attack you, AND you have a serious weapon to attack the animal with. If you have no weapons, the best advice is to make yourself seem as big and scary and loud to the animal as possible, in which case it will likely go away. Otherwise, a fight will not work out well for you.

5. Regarding dogs (and other animals); do not run from them, they will think you are their prey and chase after you. Stand your ground, let them sniff you, maybe pet them, and 99.9999% they will go on their merry way.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 10:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

It is not a yidishe thing to own a dog in this crazy world behamos are part of the family and treated like humans this is not the Torah way. I have seen yidden in flatbush walking dogs on shabbos is this normal that what you do on shabbos take a walk with your dog(family) having pets in your house should not go past a turtle

Could you please tell us which gadol has ruled that owning a dog is assur? Or walking a dog is assur?

Walking a dog is not forcing the dog to do melacha, and you yourself walking outside on Shabbos is also not melacha.

Certainly there is the issue of them having to be sure to stay in the eruv as they otherwise could not carry the leash, but I would guess they were indeed in their eruv.

As far as I know, the only assur about owning a dog is if you C"V plan to fatten him up and eat him.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 10:32 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

Here you have it ladies and gentleman a very classical case of a hater of other Yidden trying to dictate to them how to live. Nowhere in the Torah does it say a Yid cannot own a dog, and yes a Yid IS permitted to walk a dog on Shabbos in Flatbush and anywhere else.

Please stay in your small minded old ghetto world and leave us alone.

There is no issur in owning a dog, unless it is a כלב רע, but it is not a Jewish thing to do. Jews have never been dog-owners. Even the ovos, who were shepherds, did not own dogs. Yaacov's present to Esav is specified in great detail, and included no dogs. The Mitzrim had dogs, as we see from the fact that they are rewarded for not having barked when we left.

Besides being a "goyishe thing", there are specific halachos about having dogs around humans. The mishneh in Bovo Kamo says לא יגדל אדם את הכלב אלא אם כן היה קשור בשלשלת. And in Shabbos the gemoro says: כל המגדל כלב רע בתוך ביתו מונע חסד מתוך ביתו... אף פורק ממנו יראת שמים..

The Maharshal says כלב רע היינו סתם כלב, שהוא מנבח על כל מי שאינו מכיר, ומחמת נביחתו הוא קרוי רע, אף שאינו נושך, So the only dog that one may have is one who doesn't bark at people, let alone attack them.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 10:51 PM Milhouse Says:

(continued from previous comment):

However RMA de Fano says אבל כלבים קטנים בני תרבות אינם בכלל האיסור

Also, the Rambam paskens that in a border town (e.g. a yishuv in Shomron) one may keep dogs chained up by day, and let them loose at night: אסרו חכמים לגדל ... את הכלב, אלא אם כן היה קשור בשלשלת. אבל מגדל הוא כלבים בעיר הסמוכה לספר, ביום קושרו ובלילה מתירו.

In any event, if someone does have a dog there is no question that he must feed and walk it on Shabbos, because it depends on him. One is also allowed to feed stray dogs on Shabbos, even though one may not feed other stray animals.

NOTE: When walking a dog on Shabbos, if there is no eruv, one must hold the leash by the very end. The part of the leash that is between the hand and the dog is not considered carrying, but the part that is past the hand and hanging down useless is considered carrying.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 11:09 PM Floods, earthquakes and dog bites Says:

If someone is bitten by a dog it is because Hashem is punishing him. The dog has no bechirah (free will). It simply does as commanded to by Hashem. Remember DOG spell backwards...

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 11:18 PM OMG Says:

Reply to #22  
Usually? Says:

The key is your use of the word "usually."

True, usually dogs don't bite unprovoked, but sometimes they do, so keep away.

Exactly that is why I used the word usually because there is always an exception to the norm. But it is self-evident that this Hatzolah of North Jersey guy doesn’t know what he is talking about. Being a first responder doesn’t make him a dog expert.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 11:26 PM OMG Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

I'm sorry but u must be a dog owner otherwise you would know the other side of the stories how dogs killed babies out of jealousy and they did in fact jump on people for no good reason, the reader digest had all those stories in one issue and it was enough to see that an animal will always stay one!!!

Yes I do have a black Labrador, but I am not sure that I understand what you are trying to tell me. I do know that it is possible that a particular dog might attack what the dog perceives a threat, that could be manifested that a new child is brought into the clan, so the dog see the baby as a threat in the pecking order, but that is very uncommon, and only a few selected breeds.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 11:34 PM OMG Says:

Reply to #24  
to #16 and the like Says:

You just stated that if a baby makes a sudden move, the dog WILL bite. It's irrelevant whether it's to "protect" itself or not! And many humans have a p h o b i a--they are scared. Is that a reason for them to be attacked, because the dog senses their fear?! Don't humans come before animals, after all?!

The poor child. A complete refuah shleimah to him and his mother. It boggles the mind to see people making negative comments about them at such a time

Sorry I never said that I don’t feel for the baby, and as a dog owner I love my dog, but I do understand that if an animal attacks a human without any provocation, the owner should at least talk to an expert if he should euthanize the animal.

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 Mar 07, 2010 at 11:58 PM buncha dumdums Says:

i was chased by the same breed of dog there vicious a pit bull is a cross btwn stafordshire terrier and a buldog the latter for its strength the former for its viciousness

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 12:08 AM dogowner Says:

Reply to #12  
cool masmid Says:

Most people in our communities don't hate or fear dogs. Its that we have more important things in our lives like raising beautiful families, and learning Torah and doing acts of kindness, and so most of us don't have the time or frankly any interest in raising an animal. Its people who don't have all of the above and have nothing else are busy with their dog(s). I have yet to see a married man who has to support a family or a mother of kids walking a dog in the park. Its usually the lonely people who have no dependants and no job who are walking their dogs. The next time you see a mother of kids walking a dog in the park, you let us know.

I will let you know. I have a dog myself and taught it to sit, stay ect. It is not as if my family is lonely or anything- we a re a run-of-the-mill family. A dog teaches the kids responsibility, caring ect. It is almost as if they have a younger sibling that needs to be fed, taken care of ect- so that they will be able to take care of a new sibling/neice/nephew ect.
I am offended by your comment that it is "usually the lonely people who have no dependants (sic) and no job who are walking their dogs...." While this may be the case for some, it isn't for all. At the same time, sometimes it is the lonely people who need the animals the most- an elderly grandmother of mine that I am close to just lost her husband of 60+ years. She is obviously mourning but she knows that there is something to take care of- the dog her husband A"H adored. She must get on in her life, and has admitted such to me, and the dog is what is helping her to cope. Family tries to visit as much as possible but it isn't feasible all the time.
Please dont bundle a group of people in one fell swoop- we are all different and are NORMAL! Dont judge until you know the facts. Thank you.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 02:02 AM awacs Says:

Reply to #1  
Babishka Says:

I had these next-door neighbors who were breeding pit bulls. Nasty, vicious mutts who didn't stop barking all day and all night. They got through the fence on the opposite side and attacked the neighbor.

A few weeks later, they threw all their stuff in an old van and split the joint. I guess the neighbor served them.

If you have a dog next door that bothers you, I have one word for you - chocolate. Dogs love it (just like people do) and it's deadly poison for them. Nebich.The more cocoa solids (think baker's chocolate) the better.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 06:43 AM Family Man Says:

Reply to #12  
cool masmid Says:

Most people in our communities don't hate or fear dogs. Its that we have more important things in our lives like raising beautiful families, and learning Torah and doing acts of kindness, and so most of us don't have the time or frankly any interest in raising an animal. Its people who don't have all of the above and have nothing else are busy with their dog(s). I have yet to see a married man who has to support a family or a mother of kids walking a dog in the park. Its usually the lonely people who have no dependants and no job who are walking their dogs. The next time you see a mother of kids walking a dog in the park, you let us know.

Cool Masmid, you couldn't be more wrong and more ignorant about dogs and families. Dogs live with large families, small families, singles, old and young people. Many married men walk dogs. Men with lots of kids walk dogs. You simply are spouting nonsense.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 06:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Milhouse Says:

There is no issur in owning a dog, unless it is a כלב רע, but it is not a Jewish thing to do. Jews have never been dog-owners. Even the ovos, who were shepherds, did not own dogs. Yaacov's present to Esav is specified in great detail, and included no dogs. The Mitzrim had dogs, as we see from the fact that they are rewarded for not having barked when we left.

Besides being a "goyishe thing", there are specific halachos about having dogs around humans. The mishneh in Bovo Kamo says לא יגדל אדם את הכלב אלא אם כן היה קשור בשלשלת. And in Shabbos the gemoro says: כל המגדל כלב רע בתוך ביתו מונע חסד מתוך ביתו... אף פורק ממנו יראת שמים..

The Maharshal says כלב רע היינו סתם כלב, שהוא מנבח על כל מי שאינו מכיר, ומחמת נביחתו הוא קרוי רע, אף שאינו נושך, So the only dog that one may have is one who doesn't bark at people, let alone attack them.

that is not p'sak halacha.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 07:03 AM Heshy Kahn Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Dogs are amazing animals to bad the jewish community is brought up to hate them and fear them, if our community would have known how to love this animal, this child would have never thrown any stones on this lovely dog, and a mother and child would have not been in the hospital with life threatening injuries.

Boys should play with other boys, not with dogs.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 08:02 AM Dog Owner Says:

Reply to #37  
awacs Says:

If you have a dog next door that bothers you, I have one word for you - chocolate. Dogs love it (just like people do) and it's deadly poison for them. Nebich.The more cocoa solids (think baker's chocolate) the better.

If I ever found you poisoning my dog, you'd better be wearing bullet proof underwear.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 08:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Heshy Kahn Says:

Boys should play with other boys, not with dogs.

your comment didn't come out looking too good.....

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 09:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
cool masmid Says:

Most people in our communities don't hate or fear dogs. Its that we have more important things in our lives like raising beautiful families, and learning Torah and doing acts of kindness, and so most of us don't have the time or frankly any interest in raising an animal. Its people who don't have all of the above and have nothing else are busy with their dog(s). I have yet to see a married man who has to support a family or a mother of kids walking a dog in the park. Its usually the lonely people who have no dependants and no job who are walking their dogs. The next time you see a mother of kids walking a dog in the park, you let us know.

Is this one of your "acts of kindness"?

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 10:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
cool masmid Says:

Most people in our communities don't hate or fear dogs. Its that we have more important things in our lives like raising beautiful families, and learning Torah and doing acts of kindness, and so most of us don't have the time or frankly any interest in raising an animal. Its people who don't have all of the above and have nothing else are busy with their dog(s). I have yet to see a married man who has to support a family or a mother of kids walking a dog in the park. Its usually the lonely people who have no dependants and no job who are walking their dogs. The next time you see a mother of kids walking a dog in the park, you let us know.

A) You are NOT cool.
B) You can raise "beautiful families and learn Torah and do acts of kindness while owning a dog.
C) The reason you have not seen people with dogs is because you live in a small world that you think begins and ends there.
D) There is nothing wrong with "lonely people" having a dog to make their lives better.
E) Don't be such a k'nocker about your beautiful life, bragging is not a Torah quality.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 10:26 AM A. Nuran Says:

To those who say owning dogs "isn't Jewish" all I can say is horsefeathers. For most of our history we have been farmers, shepherds, stockmen and other country folk. If you're any of those you need dogs. It's only since we moved to the cities and gave up the work of our ancestors that we forgot the ancient partnership.

If you haven't had dogs do not know what you're talking about. With very few exceptions they are loyal, friendly, loving and absolutely devoted to their owners. The exceptions are almost always the fault of owners who neglect or mistreat them. We lost our beloved dog after fourteen years. She protected our home, adored children and cats and frankly loved us more than we deserved. If chesids were like her we wouldn't need rabbis.

According to the article the kid threw a rock at the dog which then attacked him. If you attack someone don't be surprised if they react like that. Shame on him. But mostly shame on his parents for teaching him that it's alright to hurt animals who have done nothing to hurt you. That sort of casual cruelty is a sin. Better the parents should have been mauled and the dog returned to its owner.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 11:49 AM A. Nuran Says:

Reply to #37  
awacs Says:

If you have a dog next door that bothers you, I have one word for you - chocolate. Dogs love it (just like people do) and it's deadly poison for them. Nebich.The more cocoa solids (think baker's chocolate) the better.

So you believe it's right to poison an innocent creature and watch it die in agony because it "bothers" you. I should be amazed that such disgusting, heartless cruelty would come out of the mouth of a Jew.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 12:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

It is not a yidishe thing to own a dog in this crazy world behamos are part of the family and treated like humans this is not the Torah way. I have seen yidden in flatbush walking dogs on shabbos is this normal that what you do on shabbos take a walk with your dog(family) having pets in your house should not go past a turtle

why stop at turtles . why ot stop at cats , dogs or rattle snakes? the article says the child threw rocks at the dog. what would you do to me if i threw rocks at you??

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 12:39 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #36  
dogowner Says:

I will let you know. I have a dog myself and taught it to sit, stay ect. It is not as if my family is lonely or anything- we a re a run-of-the-mill family. A dog teaches the kids responsibility, caring ect. It is almost as if they have a younger sibling that needs to be fed, taken care of ect- so that they will be able to take care of a new sibling/neice/nephew ect.
I am offended by your comment that it is "usually the lonely people who have no dependants (sic) and no job who are walking their dogs...." While this may be the case for some, it isn't for all. At the same time, sometimes it is the lonely people who need the animals the most- an elderly grandmother of mine that I am close to just lost her husband of 60+ years. She is obviously mourning but she knows that there is something to take care of- the dog her husband A"H adored. She must get on in her life, and has admitted such to me, and the dog is what is helping her to cope. Family tries to visit as much as possible but it isn't feasible all the time.
Please dont bundle a group of people in one fell swoop- we are all different and are NORMAL! Dont judge until you know the facts. Thank you.

I stand corrected on one of your points that you made about what I said that its usually the lonely and people who have no dependants are usually the ones that have dogs. You are right that while it is usually the case its not always, as you said there are many families that have dogs. Having said that I find it very odd that your elderly grandmother after losing her husband of sixty years is as you say turning to her dog for comfort and its helping her cope. For the life of me I cannot understand that your grandmother (correct me if I'm wrong) has children and grandchildren ( yes I read what you said that its not always feasable) and yet she turns to her dog to help her cope. With all due respect there is something wrong somewhere.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 12:43 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #44  
Anonymous Says:

A) You are NOT cool.
B) You can raise "beautiful families and learn Torah and do acts of kindness while owning a dog.
C) The reason you have not seen people with dogs is because you live in a small world that you think begins and ends there.
D) There is nothing wrong with "lonely people" having a dog to make their lives better.
E) Don't be such a k'nocker about your beautiful life, bragging is not a Torah quality.

If you go back to my comment you'll see that I said 'most of us' and so I wasn't just talking about myself.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 12:47 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #44  
Anonymous Says:

A) You are NOT cool.
B) You can raise "beautiful families and learn Torah and do acts of kindness while owning a dog.
C) The reason you have not seen people with dogs is because you live in a small world that you think begins and ends there.
D) There is nothing wrong with "lonely people" having a dog to make their lives better.
E) Don't be such a k'nocker about your beautiful life, bragging is not a Torah quality.

I just read your post again - you come across as a very bitter person, and thus the dog. And so you have just proven my point that ON THE WHOLE its people like you who have nothing else but the dog. Go feed your dog.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 01:01 PM Chew on this Says:

Chew on this, we all know "dog is man's best friend", but who says man is dog's best friend?

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 01:29 PM OMG Says:

Reply to #48  
cool masmid Says:

I stand corrected on one of your points that you made about what I said that its usually the lonely and people who have no dependants are usually the ones that have dogs. You are right that while it is usually the case its not always, as you said there are many families that have dogs. Having said that I find it very odd that your elderly grandmother after losing her husband of sixty years is as you say turning to her dog for comfort and its helping her cope. For the life of me I cannot understand that your grandmother (correct me if I'm wrong) has children and grandchildren ( yes I read what you said that its not always feasable) and yet she turns to her dog to help her cope. With all due respect there is something wrong somewhere.

You are wrong it is not usually the case, you cannot cite even one study that purports that fact, and the only reason you think that you are right is because where you live commonly families don’t have dogs, but out there in the real world lots of families have dogs as pet pets for their young children. Furthermore my mom RIP told me that in here fathers house there were a dog who used to like chulent.
Additionally there are enough studies that say that older people, who have pets, cope better with loss of a loved one, then if they don’t have any pet companion.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 02:05 PM A. Nuran Says:

Reply to #48  
cool masmid Says:

I stand corrected on one of your points that you made about what I said that its usually the lonely and people who have no dependants are usually the ones that have dogs. You are right that while it is usually the case its not always, as you said there are many families that have dogs. Having said that I find it very odd that your elderly grandmother after losing her husband of sixty years is as you say turning to her dog for comfort and its helping her cope. For the life of me I cannot understand that your grandmother (correct me if I'm wrong) has children and grandchildren ( yes I read what you said that its not always feasable) and yet she turns to her dog to help her cope. With all due respect there is something wrong somewhere.

Most of the families I know have pets. The ones who live in apartments tend towards cats. The ones in houses, more dogs. Many of them get dogs when they have children. If a mother is staying home she is there to take care of the dog as well. And they believe, quite rightly, that growing up with a dog is good for kids. They learn a lot. Dogs and kids enjoy each other. And it turns out that dogs and cats help reduce allergies and asthma.

Why would a lonely person turn towards a dog for comfort? It's quite simple. Her relatives might not be there for her. They might be busy. They might not care. But the dog will be there, devoted to her, sensitive to her emotional needs. It's sad. But that's the way people are. And that's the way dogs are. Mark Twain said that a dog "is an animal which if you take it home, feed it and treat it well will not bite you. This is the chief difference between a dog and a man."

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 02:06 PM Dave Says:

Families with children are more likely to have dogs than singles or childless households, at least in America.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 03:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
cool masmid Says:

I just read your post again - you come across as a very bitter person, and thus the dog. And so you have just proven my point that ON THE WHOLE its people like you who have nothing else but the dog. Go feed your dog.

YOU are showing all the VIN readers just what a very bitter person actually is like. If YOUR life is so wonderful, why do you care so much about whether other frum people have dogs or not? By the way I have a very wonderful family and full life and another thing, I do not own a dog.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:

The professional dog haters of BP have been around for ages and will never convince more open minded Yidden to give up their dogs.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 04:30 PM Anonymous Says:

The anti-dog commentators are a breed of Yidden that show intolerance to anybody that is not a carbon copy of themselves. It goes beyond dogs, it's a mentality of "I am better than you." I have seen their type my whole life and they turn alot of people off.

From the Mr. and Mrs. Milhouse types that accost children on the street saying "A Jewish boy/girl is not allowed to have a dog", to the dissaproving looks of them when people are not wearing something that meets with their standards.

All I have to say to them is live and let live and worry about your own children.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 05:12 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #41  
Dog Owner Says:

If I ever found you poisoning my dog, you'd better be wearing bullet proof underwear.

Thanks for the warning!

What's your address, again?

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 05:13 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #46  
A. Nuran Says:

So you believe it's right to poison an innocent creature and watch it die in agony because it "bothers" you. I should be amazed that such disgusting, heartless cruelty would come out of the mouth of a Jew.

Maybe.

A vicious dog, that barks out loud and strains at the leash to decimate any and all passers-by? Yes.

I used to live next door to a pair of such dogs.

Note the past tense in the preceding sentence.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 06:59 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

that is not p'sak halacha.

No? Then what is it?

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 07:01 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #45  
A. Nuran Says:

To those who say owning dogs "isn't Jewish" all I can say is horsefeathers. For most of our history we have been farmers, shepherds, stockmen and other country folk. If you're any of those you need dogs. It's only since we moved to the cities and gave up the work of our ancestors that we forgot the ancient partnership.

If you haven't had dogs do not know what you're talking about. With very few exceptions they are loyal, friendly, loving and absolutely devoted to their owners. The exceptions are almost always the fault of owners who neglect or mistreat them. We lost our beloved dog after fourteen years. She protected our home, adored children and cats and frankly loved us more than we deserved. If chesids were like her we wouldn't need rabbis.

According to the article the kid threw a rock at the dog which then attacked him. If you attack someone don't be surprised if they react like that. Shame on him. But mostly shame on his parents for teaching him that it's alright to hurt animals who have done nothing to hurt you. That sort of casual cruelty is a sin. Better the parents should have been mauled and the dog returned to its owner.

You are wrong. As I've already shown, the ovos, who were shepherds, did NOT have dogs.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 07:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
awacs Says:

Maybe.

A vicious dog, that barks out loud and strains at the leash to decimate any and all passers-by? Yes.

I used to live next door to a pair of such dogs.

Note the past tense in the preceding sentence.

You support poisoning dogs who bark? Are you insane?

Cruelty to animals is a sign of being a psychopath.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 08:41 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #60  
Milhouse Says:

No? Then what is it?

I'll point out, however, that parents of autistic children - lo aleynu - often buy their children dogs, as somehow the dogs are said to be therapeutic to the children. One of my friends/neighbors in CH did just that, for as long as his child was alive.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 08:53 PM A. Nuran Says:

Reply to #59  
awacs Says:

Maybe.

A vicious dog, that barks out loud and strains at the leash to decimate any and all passers-by? Yes.

I used to live next door to a pair of such dogs.

Note the past tense in the preceding sentence.

If they're attacking people, call animal control. Call the police. Otherwise you're a sadistic thug, a poisoner and a disgrace.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 08:54 PM A. Nuran Says:

Reply to #61  
Milhouse Says:

You are wrong. As I've already shown, the ovos, who were shepherds, did NOT have dogs.

Nope. You're wrong. There's plenty of archeological evidence that Jews had dogs in ancient Israel and in the Diaspora.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 09:07 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #65  
A. Nuran Says:

Nope. You're wrong. There's plenty of archeological evidence that Jews had dogs in ancient Israel and in the Diaspora.

אני מביא לך ראיה מן התורה ואתה מביא לי ראיה מן השוטים?!

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 09:08 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #62  
Anonymous Says:

You support poisoning dogs who bark? Are you insane?

Cruelty to animals is a sign of being a psychopath.

Did you not see the HALACHA I quoted above? It is FORBIDDEN to keep a dog that barks at people and frightens them. Poisoning such a dog would be a mitzvah.

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 Mar 08, 2010 at 09:13 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #63  
awacs Says:

I'll point out, however, that parents of autistic children - lo aleynu - often buy their children dogs, as somehow the dogs are said to be therapeutic to the children. One of my friends/neighbors in CH did just that, for as long as his child was alive.

See the quote I brought above from RME di Fano. A small, tame dog is not a כלב רע, and is not included in the issur. זיל בתר טעמא - the reason it's forbidden to maintain a dog unless it's on a chain is because it will attack or frighten people; therefore a dog that neither attacks nor even frightens people is not a problem. It's not as if dogs are inherently tomei or something. On the contrary, the halacha is kinder to dogs than to other animals, e.g. one may feed a stray dog on shabbos.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 12:00 AM Leivovitz Says:

Reply to #67  
Milhouse Says:

Did you not see the HALACHA I quoted above? It is FORBIDDEN to keep a dog that barks at people and frightens them. Poisoning such a dog would be a mitzvah.

Millhouse, you must be a latecomer. In the alter heim, every family had a dog and every dog had a family!

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 12:12 AM awacs Says:

Reply to #64  
A. Nuran Says:

If they're attacking people, call animal control. Call the police. Otherwise you're a sadistic thug, a poisoner and a disgrace.

Actually, I did both. No results. Then I found a better solution.

Anyway, thanks for the compliments!

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 12:21 AM awacs Says:

Reply to #64  
A. Nuran Says:

If they're attacking people, call animal control. Call the police. Otherwise you're a sadistic thug, a poisoner and a disgrace.

Call the police? Isn't that ... mesirah?

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 12:32 AM awacs Says:

Reply to #64  
A. Nuran Says:

If they're attacking people, call animal control. Call the police. Otherwise you're a sadistic thug, a poisoner and a disgrace.

And, if you're the (Italian) neighbor down the block, who grew tired of cleaning his lawn EVERY morning from the local dog, who told the dog's owner more than once & more than twice to keep his dog away, and just got laughed at, your solution is the Magic Meatball. Presto, no more lawn cleaning. No more disgusting 'presents' to greet you in the morning.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 12:53 PM A. Nuran Says:

Reply to #71  
awacs Says:

Call the police? Isn't that ... mesirah?

It's the right thing to do. It's the law. And it's certainly better than being a sadistic poisoner.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 02:02 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #73  
A. Nuran Says:

It's the right thing to do. It's the law. And it's certainly better than being a sadistic poisoner.

Maybe you're right. But, in my case it didn't work.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 03:35 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #69  
Leivovitz Says:

Millhouse, you must be a latecomer. In the alter heim, every family had a dog and every dog had a family!

I can't tell whether you're joking or unfortunately serious. Of course this is not true. In the alter heim Jews did not have dogs. Jewish houses contained cats, and chickens, but no dogs. The poretz had a dog, and the Jews were afraid of it.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 08:18 PM Dog Man Says:

Reply to #75  
Milhouse Says:

I can't tell whether you're joking or unfortunately serious. Of course this is not true. In the alter heim Jews did not have dogs. Jewish houses contained cats, and chickens, but no dogs. The poretz had a dog, and the Jews were afraid of it.

that just shows what an ignoramus you are. It depended on the country. In countries, like Germany, where the gentiles had house pets, including dogs, so did the Jews. In more Eastern Europe, where dogs were not often kept indoors, this was the case with Jews also. I know very frum German Jews from very frum families who have photographs from Europe showing the pet dogs.

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