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Monsey, NY - A Rockland group that caused a worldwide uproar when it purportedly put the pox on lox by claiming that the popular Jewish nosh isn’t kosher said yesterday that the warning was nothing but a fish tale.

“Go ahead, eat lox,” said Yisroel Neiman, a member of Chevra Mehadrin, a Monsey organization that prepared a report on fish and Jewish law. “It’s kosher — I just had some.”

Neiman said he had no idea why the report was being interpreted to mean that salmon, the fish from which nova lox is made, violates Jewish dietary law.

“They made it up,” Neiman said, referring to media organizations who attributed the ban on lox to the report. “It’s a lie. We never said lox isn’t kosher.”

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 10:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Didn't we read here a couple of weeks ago that some Rabbonim determined that certain types of kosher fish were no longer kosher because of parasites? So can we eat this fish or not?

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 10:19 PM Chusid Says:

I was at the Skulener Rebbe's tisch on Shabbes, and he was eating salmon. Then we all ate his sherayim.

I knew there was something fishy about this whole salmon ban. Narishkeit.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:

a Bande Meshugim. Aseren in Matir zein is one and the same

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 10:40 PM shvigger Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Didn't we read here a couple of weeks ago that some Rabbonim determined that certain types of kosher fish were no longer kosher because of parasites? So can we eat this fish or not?

Depends if you base your kashrus on what you read online. I have several hechsheirim I trust and plenty I don't trust--no matter how reliable they're depicted on VIN.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 10:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Obviously, this Neiman character and his "Chevra Mehadrin" are the yiddeshe version of the "Chlem Fire Brigade" who first set a fire and then take credit for putting it out. He know over a week ago that his report was being interpreted as saying that Salmon is assur. Now after being shown to be an idiot by every Rav knowledgeable in hashgacha, he tries to say he was "misunderstood". Too late, he and his associates have shown themselves to be the clowns of the year.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 10:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Re-read your headline--slowly.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 10:58 PM Babishka Says:

It was a Purim joke.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Babishka Says:

It was a Purim joke.

This was no joke. EVeryone laughed about NYC water but who doesn't have a filter in their kitchen?

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:08 PM Anonymous Says:

i remember that during medical school, our patholigist was intrigued by a large tape worm that he found in a jewish person . he reports that it came from gefilte fish.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Only wild salmon was forbidden originally, so if the Skulener was eating Salmon he may very well have been eating regular salmon!
I heard Rav Eliashiv agreed to the issur -- anyone know anything abt this??

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:45 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Didn't we read here a couple of weeks ago that some Rabbonim determined that certain types of kosher fish were no longer kosher because of parasites? So can we eat this fish or not?

why dont you just be machmir and in a generation we can then say there is a mesorah against eating lox even though salamon has fins and scales

here is one more for you- you can be the first on your block !!!!
come up with a reason (better than parasites ofcourse as that is already taken) why fish is like meat and that you have to wait 6 (better 7 ) hours between fish and milk.. schoen you can now start your own tradition and be holier than everyone else.. dont forget to check the cow giving the milk for parasites too.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:46 PM Anonymous Says:

PEOPLE:

ask...your...Rav.

Don't go by ANYTHING you read here.

Sheesh.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:47 PM Robert Says:

Reply to #7  
Babishka Says:

It was a Purim joke.

sort of like the war of the worlds by orson wells

for those of you who forgot, it was a science fiction story read on the radio about martians invading the earth.. you remember the rest i suspect.

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:47 PM Anonymous Says:

This chvreah mehadrin are a bunch of unemployed board people, I saw them poking around the fruit isle in a monsey kosher grocery looking for worms what a joke

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

This was no joke. EVeryone laughed about NYC water but who doesn't have a filter in their kitchen?

does the filter need a hechsher?

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 12:00 AM Anonymous Says:

So this is good that Chevra Mehadrin banning lox was rumors?

But what about in Eretz Yisroel? Was the meeting between Moshe Karp of Modi'in Illit (despite the hoax-sounding name, he does exist, as he was quoted in Dei'ah v'Dibur's archives in 2000, wrote a column in 2003, mentioned in Jerusalem Post in 2005) and was a major force behind the Internet ban there

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:57 PM Kashrus Pro Says:

According to EVERY major kashrus agency there is nothing wrong with the fish. Of course the media thinks we like lox. What a mishigas! Given the choice I think most shomray torah umitzvos would probably chose cholent, kugel etc., instead of lox (and I am the mashgiach at a few smoke houses!).

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:55 PM FVNMS Says:

Solution: just ask the fish how he's feeling. If he says "fine" then eat him.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 12:05 AM Aron Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

PEOPLE:

ask...your...Rav.

Don't go by ANYTHING you read here.

Sheesh.

While you're at it, why don't you asl YOUR rav if you should use the term "sheesh" (it comes from the english name of Yushka)

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 Mar 09, 2010 at 11:52 PM Smokey Specs Says:

No comments about the propriety of eating salmon (or lox) should be without a discussion of whether the salmon is wild salmon (the healthy kind) or farm-grown salmon (which contain PCB's). What are PCB's? Once again, the answer can be found in Google. The following comment is from HealthCastle.com. There are many other sources for this information.

David Suzuki Foundation: In January 2001, BBC News produced a program "Warnings from the Wild, The Price of Salmon." The program cited a pilot study conducted by Dr. Easton with the David Suzuki Foundation. The study found that farmed salmon and the feed they were given appeared to have a much higher level of contamination with respect to PCBs, organo-chlorine pesticides, and polybrominated diphenyl ethers than did wild salmon. It concluded contamination in farm fish seems to come from the feed.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 03:02 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #20  
Smokey Specs Says:

No comments about the propriety of eating salmon (or lox) should be without a discussion of whether the salmon is wild salmon (the healthy kind) or farm-grown salmon (which contain PCB's). What are PCB's? Once again, the answer can be found in Google. The following comment is from HealthCastle.com. There are many other sources for this information.

David Suzuki Foundation: In January 2001, BBC News produced a program "Warnings from the Wild, The Price of Salmon." The program cited a pilot study conducted by Dr. Easton with the David Suzuki Foundation. The study found that farmed salmon and the feed they were given appeared to have a much higher level of contamination with respect to PCBs, organo-chlorine pesticides, and polybrominated diphenyl ethers than did wild salmon. It concluded contamination in farm fish seems to come from the feed.

You idiot. Wild salmon are the ones with the shrotzim. Farmed salmon are free of them. Whether the final psak is that these shrotzim are muttar or assur, lechol hadeos it would be better not to eat them! Meanwhile you're worried about PCBs, though there is no evidence whatsoever that they are in any way harmful. Worry about eating worms!

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 03:09 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

So this is good that Chevra Mehadrin banning lox was rumors?

But what about in Eretz Yisroel? Was the meeting between Moshe Karp of Modi'in Illit (despite the hoax-sounding name, he does exist, as he was quoted in Dei'ah v'Dibur's archives in 2000, wrote a column in 2003, mentioned in Jerusalem Post in 2005) and was a major force behind the Internet ban there

The problem exists. There are different opinions on how to pasken. But it doesn't affect lox. Not only is most lox made from farmed salmon, which are not affected by the problem, but it is also sliced thin, and therefore easy to inspect for these things.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 03:14 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Didn't we read here a couple of weeks ago that some Rabbonim determined that certain types of kosher fish were no longer kosher because of parasites? So can we eat this fish or not?

Lox? Yes, you can eat it lechol hade'os. Farmed salmon? Also good lechol hade'os. Wild fish, though, is a shayla. Most poskim so far hold that they're permitted; but some significant ones are not so sure.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 07:11 AM Anonymous Says:

It's clear what happened: they started a rumor because they wanted a new chumra. Klal Yisrael rejected it, and now they want to pretend like they were not trying to start yet another chumra without any basis. If people would be this angry whenever some extremist wanted to choke us to death with chumras, we would not be living in our current world.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 07:57 AM formallys Says:

if one is worried about parasites, then one cannot eat any meat or fish every living things has parasites.

we have plenty ourselves
.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 08:19 AM joe Says:

these great rabbis like to make things not kosher
why don't they say something about cigarettes being treif-they may save some lives

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 08:46 AM RebRambo Says:

Reply to #19  
Aron Says:

While you're at it, why don't you asl YOUR rav if you should use the term "sheesh" (it comes from the english name of Yushka)

Unless shishkabob was the founder of that other religion, you are grossly mistaken; 'sheesh' is the shortened version of 'sheesh-kabob'.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 08:50 AM Raphael Kaufman Says:

Reply to #20  
Smokey Specs Says:

No comments about the propriety of eating salmon (or lox) should be without a discussion of whether the salmon is wild salmon (the healthy kind) or farm-grown salmon (which contain PCB's). What are PCB's? Once again, the answer can be found in Google. The following comment is from HealthCastle.com. There are many other sources for this information.

David Suzuki Foundation: In January 2001, BBC News produced a program "Warnings from the Wild, The Price of Salmon." The program cited a pilot study conducted by Dr. Easton with the David Suzuki Foundation. The study found that farmed salmon and the feed they were given appeared to have a much higher level of contamination with respect to PCBs, organo-chlorine pesticides, and polybrominated diphenyl ethers than did wild salmon. It concluded contamination in farm fish seems to come from the feed.

There has never, repeat never, been a documented case of human cancer attributed to PCBs.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 08:52 AM Leah Says:

Everything is treif try fasting

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 09:39 AM Raphael Kaufman Says:

Just a thought: How is it that the Chachmei haGemarah, who were infallible on matters of science, were unaware of the the "new" variety of parasites found in salmon?

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 10:13 AM Anonymous Says:

The whole fish story is very fishy...

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 10:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Chusid Says:

I was at the Skulener Rebbe's tisch on Shabbes, and he was eating salmon. Then we all ate his sherayim.

I knew there was something fishy about this whole salmon ban. Narishkeit.

Wild salmon has a problem, thats it! Skulener rebbe wouldn't eat wild salmon.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 11:30 AM Oh Really! Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

The whole fish story is very fishy...

I agree!

But some people just HAVE TO Post even if they're just "floundering" around
and write things just for the "Halibut"!!

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

This was no joke. EVeryone laughed about NYC water but who doesn't have a filter in their kitchen?

I don't:)

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 11:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Milhouse Says:

You idiot. Wild salmon are the ones with the shrotzim. Farmed salmon are free of them. Whether the final psak is that these shrotzim are muttar or assur, lechol hadeos it would be better not to eat them! Meanwhile you're worried about PCBs, though there is no evidence whatsoever that they are in any way harmful. Worry about eating worms!

"Whether the final psak is that these shrotzim are muttar or assur, lechol hadeos it would be better not to eat them! "

Not so, some see it as a rejection of Chazal to be machmir.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 12:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Obviously, this Neiman character and his "Chevra Mehadrin" are the yiddeshe version of the "Chlem Fire Brigade" who first set a fire and then take credit for putting it out. He know over a week ago that his report was being interpreted as saying that Salmon is assur. Now after being shown to be an idiot by every Rav knowledgeable in hashgacha, he tries to say he was "misunderstood". Too late, he and his associates have shown themselves to be the clowns of the year.

Wow so deep

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 12:47 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

This was no joke. EVeryone laughed about NYC water but who doesn't have a filter in their kitchen?

We have a filter. Every week we change the cotton; it is BROWN (not light brown, either).

Kosher or not, are you sure you want to drink that stuff? I don't.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 02:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
awacs Says:

We have a filter. Every week we change the cotton; it is BROWN (not light brown, either).

Kosher or not, are you sure you want to drink that stuff? I don't.

Most likely brown due to the fact that the water pipes are rusted if they are steel. Copper or brass water pipes do not rust and would not be as brown. Plastic pipes also do not rust but over the years, the plastic particles do get mixed in the water but its very minute and would not harm over the lifetime of the pipe.

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 03:52 PM Smokey Specs Says:

Reply to #21  
Milhouse Says:

You idiot. Wild salmon are the ones with the shrotzim. Farmed salmon are free of them. Whether the final psak is that these shrotzim are muttar or assur, lechol hadeos it would be better not to eat them! Meanwhile you're worried about PCBs, though there is no evidence whatsoever that they are in any way harmful. Worry about eating worms!

From my research into Google: The anisakis parasite is more prevalent in wild salmon than in farm-raised salmon, However, the Orthodox Union does not consider it a problem. It is highly recommended that all salmon be cooked at high temperatures or frozen at very low temperatures in order to rid the salmon of bacteria.

As far as PCB's are concerned, this is from oceansalert.org:
The EPA has found that PCBs negatively affect many different areas of the body and most of the major systems. Perhaps most importantly, the EPA has found PCBs should be regarded as carcinogens. Studies performed on animals have found definite correlation to conclude that PCBs cause cancer in animals, and the EPA calls PCBs “probable human carcinogens”. Most often, they have found the effect of PCB exposure to result in liver cancer in humans.

There have also been tests performed on Rhesus monkeys (who have very similar makeup to human beings) that showed many other ill effects of PCBs. These tests have found weakening of the immune system and changes in the thyroid hormone levels that are concurrent with human symptoms due to high exposure. The Rhesus monkey experiments also found reduction i

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 Mar 10, 2010 at 11:03 PM Ploiderer Says:

The only fish that's assur is the talking fish in New Square because there's a person inside.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 12:16 AM ATR Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

This was no joke. EVeryone laughed about NYC water but who doesn't have a filter in their kitchen?

I don't. Most people I know don't!

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 05:55 AM Smokey Specs Says:

Reply to #39  
Smokey Specs Says:

From my research into Google: The anisakis parasite is more prevalent in wild salmon than in farm-raised salmon, However, the Orthodox Union does not consider it a problem. It is highly recommended that all salmon be cooked at high temperatures or frozen at very low temperatures in order to rid the salmon of bacteria.

As far as PCB's are concerned, this is from oceansalert.org:
The EPA has found that PCBs negatively affect many different areas of the body and most of the major systems. Perhaps most importantly, the EPA has found PCBs should be regarded as carcinogens. Studies performed on animals have found definite correlation to conclude that PCBs cause cancer in animals, and the EPA calls PCBs “probable human carcinogens”. Most often, they have found the effect of PCB exposure to result in liver cancer in humans.

There have also been tests performed on Rhesus monkeys (who have very similar makeup to human beings) that showed many other ill effects of PCBs. These tests have found weakening of the immune system and changes in the thyroid hormone levels that are concurrent with human symptoms due to high exposure. The Rhesus monkey experiments also found reduction i

My prior post on PCB's was inadvertently truncated. Here is the rest of that information from oceansalert.org:

The Rhesus monkey experiments also found reduction in birth weight, conception, and live birth rates from exposed mothers. The effects of the PCB contamination was also long lasting, affecting childbirth much after exposure. The same was true for human children born to mothers who were exposed to PCBs in their workplace. Newborn monkeys who were exposed also showed neurological deficiencies in visual recognition, short-term memory, and learning.

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