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London - Ideas for plays can spring from the most unexpected sources.

That for Cling To Me Like Ivy, came, unlikely as it may sound, from a casual comment made by Victoria Beckham, which inadvertently caused something like a crisis in the Orthodox Jewish community.

Clearly, an innocent remark may gather mass and energy like a snowball rolling downhill.

In an interview in 2004, Victoria Beckham was asked if her hair extensions came from Russian prisoners forced to shave their heads.

She jokingly replied that she had half of Russian Cell Block H on her head.

It then emerged that most of the hair on the international market came from the Tirupati Temple in India.

Now, if that were indeed the case, it might contravene Jewish law if it were used in the wigs, known as “sheitels”, worn by married Orthodox Jewish women.

The play’s author, Samantha Ellis was at the time working in a London Jewish bookstore, and records that for a fortnight customers’ main topic of interest was “Sheitel-gate”.

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She says: “Rumours began that hair was coming from a Hindu temple in India, and wouldn’t be allowed under Jewish law.

“Then a rabbi was said to have to have gone on a fact-finding mission to the Tirupati temple to interview bemused barbers.

“Soon there were bonfires of wigs on the streets of London, Jerusalem and New York. The debates were fierce and passionate.”

Her play sparked by the event is both warm-hearted and funny, and revolves around love, marriage and beliefs.

The central character is Rivka who can hardly contain herself at the prospect of her perfect wedding – perfect man, perfect dress – in two weeks time.

But suddenly doubt is cast on the wig, and everything starts to go wrong.

Somehow she finds herself far from home, stuck up a tree, and caught up in the eviction of anti-road protestors.

Can she get home again? Does she want to? And if she does, how will things have changed?


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 Mar 12, 2010 at 10:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM vivi Says:

a mashgana idea.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:

what ever happened? why dont shatels have hasgchos?

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

you're right, and I'm one of the accused women , but you can't wash floors, clean toilets, bathe kids, cook, etc. and look good at the same time. By the time you sit down to supper you can't even eat anymore.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 12:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Sounds like a good play- hope there is no kol isha/singing so I can go see it. You think it will hit Piccadily? maybe Broadway in NY? How about Mea Shearim (that is a joke gone too far :))

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 12:30 PM Anonymous Says:

theres nothing wrong wearing nice wig, dont push your frumkeit on others

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

#1 you are so right. Its a yetzer hora for women who need to be taught the purpose and responsibilities of dressing up. Rebetzin Braunstein a"h told a most inspiring woman who wore a plain tichel in public and during a conversation with a neighbor she said she has a sheitel that she wears at home only. Now that woman knows what her priorities and purpose in life are.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

Notice that our women also don't wear burqas but rather wear elegant clothes that befit a normal NON-attention-seeking female. Same with the hair: a sheitel should not draw any more attention than a black skirt or other normal article of clothes and should absolutely NOT be assur.

If you make a woman dress herself to look like a garbage bag, she will, then, also feel like a garbage bag. There are ways of dressing (for both males and females) that are in full accordance with Tznius, both halachicly and the "spirit of the law" while still looking like a respectable human being.

And I presume you know better than all the Roshei Yeshiva whose wives wear sheitels routinely.

I agree, however, that women should NOT downplay their beauty at home, as it is a mitzva to make themselves look (even) more attractive to their husbands and if they care more to appear attractive outside the home, then their priorities are probably a little off.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 12:51 PM Yasher Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

Well said.

Thank You & Good Shabbos

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 12:51 PM Joe Says:

"Sheitels should be assur, period."

Pretty much all Gedolim and poskim disagree. Sorry.

There is even a video floating around the web where some kanoi tries to get R Elyashiv to agree that all shaitels should be assur. R Elyashiv doesnt buy it.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 12:53 PM rifka Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

its because of far right extremists that we have gone bananas...why assur everything outright maybe assur nice clothing and allow only turbans and long robes or maybe women have no business going outside.......digusted with extremists

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

#1 you are so right. Its a yetzer hora for women who need to be taught the purpose and responsibilities of dressing up. Rebetzin Braunstein a"h told a most inspiring woman who wore a plain tichel in public and during a conversation with a neighbor she said she has a sheitel that she wears at home only. Now that woman knows what her priorities and purpose in life are.

Rebetzin Braunstein is a great woman and she is absolutely right. That's the way it should be.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

theres nothing wrong wearing nice wig, dont push your frumkeit on others

I think you and others like you have lost sight as to what the purpose of a shaitel really is.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:15 PM A Plain Jew Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

This is probably my first time posting a comment on any site. Your ignorance and chauvinism is nauseating.
You are a sick person who sees women gallivanting in front of you in Shul and at Simchos. Let me tell you something, no women care to get your attention.
Stay in the mens section and keep your dirty eyes where they belong.
I am sure if the Rabbonim would like to assur shietlach they will take that liberty and not ask your skewed opinion.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:25 PM Joseph Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

100% true. While sheitels could be within the letter of the law, it's definitely against the spirit of the law, and goes against why the Torah forbids a women to have her hair uncovered in the first place.

And to # 8 who said, "And I presume you know better than all the Roshei Yeshiva whose wives wear sheitels routinely", if all women would wear the same type of sheitels the wives of the Roshei Yeshiva wear, I would agree with you 100%.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

How true!!! On the nail... When they come home the first thing they do is remove their shaitel - so that they look like a monkey to their hubs, the whole system is currupt!!

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

you're right, and I'm one of the accused women , but you can't wash floors, clean toilets, bathe kids, cook, etc. and look good at the same time. By the time you sit down to supper you can't even eat anymore.

true but at least at night when things calm down show your hubby what you truly look like!!

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:36 PM Perplexed Says:

Can you wash the indian shietel with unfiltered water? just making sure.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

you're right, and I'm one of the accused women , but you can't wash floors, clean toilets, bathe kids, cook, etc. and look good at the same time. By the time you sit down to supper you can't even eat anymore.

lol!!! i agree!!

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

How true!!! On the nail... When they come home the first thing they do is remove their shaitel - so that they look like a monkey to their hubs, the whole system is currupt!!

i challenge you to wear a shaitel for the amount of hours your wife does. i challenge to attend to the kids the way your wife does . i challenge you to keep the house clean the way your wife does

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 01:45 PM Robert Says:

are wigs more tzniut then say a head covering?
i understand the technicality here

however as a nation we seem to pick and choose
whenever there is an institutional question relating to women the answer is ALWAYS tzniut

my personal opinion ( and halachically it does not count) is that well done wigs are more alluring and sexy than scarves, snoods and hats etc....

its just i see a double standard here

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 02:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

true but at least at night when things calm down show your hubby what you truly look like!!

Thats the key!!!

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 02:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

How true!!! On the nail... When they come home the first thing they do is remove their shaitel - so that they look like a monkey to their hubs, the whole system is currupt!!

B"H my wife follows our rabbonim and not people who think they know halacha and pasken from their boich svoros. Because of stylish sheitels, more women r covering their hair in public than ever before. I guess you'de rather have a few fanatics covering their hair with 3 tichels like in meah shearim and everyone else ken gein feifen. When my wife comes home, she puts on a beautiful tichel and she has one for sleeping that's comfortable. B"H I've never seen her in the house with her hair uncovered.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 02:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
A Plain Jew Says:

This is probably my first time posting a comment on any site. Your ignorance and chauvinism is nauseating.
You are a sick person who sees women gallivanting in front of you in Shul and at Simchos. Let me tell you something, no women care to get your attention.
Stay in the mens section and keep your dirty eyes where they belong.
I am sure if the Rabbonim would like to assur shietlach they will take that liberty and not ask your skewed opinion.

You should really seek your rov's council about your anger problem!

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 02:08 PM Emes Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

You're 100% right. However, it's very hard for today's frum woman to start wearing head coverings in the street if she's not the type one would expect to do that. I too wear a sheitel in the street and I look awful in snoods, so only wear those at home. If all frum women would abandon their sheitels, I would too. We need a Nachshon ben Aminodov to start the trend. Any volunteers?

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 02:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

true but at least at night when things calm down show your hubby what you truly look like!!

be in her shoes for one day, then lets see how you would feel at night.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 02:24 PM shimon Says:

Reply to #10  
Joe Says:

"Sheitels should be assur, period."

Pretty much all Gedolim and poskim disagree. Sorry.

There is even a video floating around the web where some kanoi tries to get R Elyashiv to agree that all shaitels should be assur. R Elyashiv doesnt buy it.

Not true at all. Rav Elyashiv clearly stated many times that almost all modern shaitels are assur. On the mentioned video he said that the horse-hair shaitel of the Rebbetzin of Reb Itzele Petersbuger would be probably muttar.

Also, share with us what do the following rabbanim say about modern shaitels:

Rav Chaim Kanievsky
Rav Ovadiah Yosef
Rab Shmuel Wozner

Really "all Gedolim and poskim"? Seriously.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 03:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Notice that our women also don't wear burqas but rather wear elegant clothes that befit a normal NON-attention-seeking female. Same with the hair: a sheitel should not draw any more attention than a black skirt or other normal article of clothes and should absolutely NOT be assur.

If you make a woman dress herself to look like a garbage bag, she will, then, also feel like a garbage bag. There are ways of dressing (for both males and females) that are in full accordance with Tznius, both halachicly and the "spirit of the law" while still looking like a respectable human being.

And I presume you know better than all the Roshei Yeshiva whose wives wear sheitels routinely.

I agree, however, that women should NOT downplay their beauty at home, as it is a mitzva to make themselves look (even) more attractive to their husbands and if they care more to appear attractive outside the home, then their priorities are probably a little off.

Have you any idea how much you sound like some 19th century shtetel misogynist?

Here's an idea -- stop telling women how they should dress, how they should comport themselves and what they should do. How my wife chooses to dress is no concern of yours, but she and I have both discovered that going out in public as the elegant, beautiful, attractive woman who she is and, yes, turning a few heads, is remarkably empowering and we have come to realize that those who seek to repress a woman's natural beauty are simply using halacha to hide a deep hatred and fear of women.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 03:15 PM Sheitels = Tznius l'mehadrin Says:

The Lubavitcher Rebbe begged women to wear sheitels ONLY, in public. The reason for this is that the sheitel will better cover the hair; one would never be tempted to remove or push back a sheitel in public as one might with a hat or scarf. Contrary to popular misconception, the purpose of hair covering is not to make women look unattractive, but to simply have the hair covered. (There is a lot of depth to this mitzvah, as explained al pi kabala, but that's not the point here.)

This truth was brought home to me when I once attended a lecture on tznius, taught by a VERY well known rebbetzin. Her snood was slipping, and throughout the lecture her HAIR WAS EXPOSED! The irony was astounding.

Lubavitcher women have mesiras nefesh to only wear a sheitel in public--even in the smoldering heat or when running out to the store. Trust me, it requires dedication. Did you know the Rebbe actually set up fund to enable women to wear sheitels? He was extremely devoted to this concept, in many many ways, too numerous to list here. (Of course, the sheitel must be in a tznius style.)

Clearly, there are various opinions on the matter. But it is blatantly wrong to say that it is ASSUR.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 03:23 PM Miss Williamsburg Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

How true!!! On the nail... When they come home the first thing they do is remove their shaitel - so that they look like a monkey to their hubs, the whole system is currupt!!

Don't generalize. Many women wear shaitels at home when their husband's come home or at night.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 04:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Joseph Says:

100% true. While sheitels could be within the letter of the law, it's definitely against the spirit of the law, and goes against why the Torah forbids a women to have her hair uncovered in the first place.

And to # 8 who said, "And I presume you know better than all the Roshei Yeshiva whose wives wear sheitels routinely", if all women would wear the same type of sheitels the wives of the Roshei Yeshiva wear, I would agree with you 100%.

Joseph, I don't think you've taken a poll of the "type of sheitel" women wear, and your two paragraphs contradict each other.

In your first paragraph you say that sheitels are "definitely against the spirit of the law" while in your second paragraph you agree that there are types of sheitels that are perfectly OK (unless you, too, know better than the Roshei Yeshiva).

Like many things, it can be either used properly or improperly, but your statement that "sheitels could be within the letter of the law, [but are] definitely against the spirit of the law" is (by your own admission) wrong.

Sheitels are within the letter of the law and, if done properly, within the spirit of the law, too.

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 Mar 12, 2010 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

Have you any idea how much you sound like some 19th century shtetel misogynist?

Here's an idea -- stop telling women how they should dress, how they should comport themselves and what they should do. How my wife chooses to dress is no concern of yours, but she and I have both discovered that going out in public as the elegant, beautiful, attractive woman who she is and, yes, turning a few heads, is remarkably empowering and we have come to realize that those who seek to repress a woman's natural beauty are simply using halacha to hide a deep hatred and fear of women.

It would probably be incorrect to respond with what you come across sounding like, but it's not good and nothing to do with halacha.

Again, no one here told you how your wife should dress. The comment made was that for those who advocate banning sheitels because they are "too attractive", the parallel can be made that just as the most religious (but still mentally normal) woman still wears elegant clothes that befit a healthy normal person, so too, a woman should be able to wear a head-covering that does the same.

This is NOT "repressing a woman's natural beauty"; it is simply not calling undue attention to it.

As for your contention that your wife dressing to "turn heads" is empowering, it's nice you feel that way, (though it seems to conveys a great lack of self esteem, imho) and I bet if she were to work at an adult club and be admired by countless men, then that might also prove "empowering". But just as you (hopefully) realize that doing so is not within the bounds of halacha, so too, your suggestion that a woman should dress provocatively is also likely not within the bounds of halacha.

I presume "Kol kivuda Bas Melech pinima" means nothing to you; that's too bad.

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 Mar 13, 2010 at 07:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Sheitels = Tznius l'mehadrin Says:

The Lubavitcher Rebbe begged women to wear sheitels ONLY, in public. The reason for this is that the sheitel will better cover the hair; one would never be tempted to remove or push back a sheitel in public as one might with a hat or scarf. Contrary to popular misconception, the purpose of hair covering is not to make women look unattractive, but to simply have the hair covered. (There is a lot of depth to this mitzvah, as explained al pi kabala, but that's not the point here.)

This truth was brought home to me when I once attended a lecture on tznius, taught by a VERY well known rebbetzin. Her snood was slipping, and throughout the lecture her HAIR WAS EXPOSED! The irony was astounding.

Lubavitcher women have mesiras nefesh to only wear a sheitel in public--even in the smoldering heat or when running out to the store. Trust me, it requires dedication. Did you know the Rebbe actually set up fund to enable women to wear sheitels? He was extremely devoted to this concept, in many many ways, too numerous to list here. (Of course, the sheitel must be in a tznius style.)

Clearly, there are various opinions on the matter. But it is blatantly wrong to say that it is ASSUR.

In Crown Heights, unless we're lucky enough to have a legal parking space, we move our cars 4x a week. I always put on a sheitel to run downstairs, move the car at the right time, go back up, & 1 1/2 hours later do it again. I'm out of the house maybe 3 minutes. But I wear a sheitel...BECAUSE I'm out of the house. Because the Rebbe says we should.

I too had the yukky, frizzy hair as a girl. So what? I now have the "hair" I always wanted: straight, sleek, richly colored. If you sickos think it makes me look better...thank you! I'm flattered. But I don't do it for you. Stop looking & pay attention to your wives. And worry about all the Frum men arrested & convicted recently for child abuse, money scams etc. Pick on them! Leave sheitels & their wearers alone.

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 Mar 13, 2010 at 09:16 PM anonymous Says:

To all those wig bashers,stop! The halacha is. We have to cover our hair because its erva_nakedness! Bottom line! Wearing a short ugly wig is a different level! Be happy women are following halacha! Keep ur eyes clean and stop looking ! Woman don't have to look ugly when they're dressed!everyone work on themselves first b4pointing fingers at others!

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 Mar 13, 2010 at 09:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
shimon Says:

Not true at all. Rav Elyashiv clearly stated many times that almost all modern shaitels are assur. On the mentioned video he said that the horse-hair shaitel of the Rebbetzin of Reb Itzele Petersbuger would be probably muttar.

Also, share with us what do the following rabbanim say about modern shaitels:

Rav Chaim Kanievsky
Rav Ovadiah Yosef
Rab Shmuel Wozner

Really "all Gedolim and poskim"? Seriously.

Why cant we ask the gedolim in America to pasken for us? Thats how it always has been with Klal Yisroe. Local Gedolim paskened for the local communities. Not for communities halfway around the world. In fact many times R Moshe Feinstein would prefer to not pasken a particular shaalo (learn the history of brooklyn eruv for one example) but rather defer to local poskim.
BH We have plenty of local Gedolim to pasken our shaalos.

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 Mar 13, 2010 at 09:40 PM a girl Says:

1st of all- you shouldn't be looking at women to begin with so you shouldn't know if it makes them look more attractive! keep your eyes on your own wife!
2nd of all- women have feelings too! and they have a right to walk outside and feel pretty!
3rd of all- if your lifestyle doesn't accept shaitels as tznius then fine! great for you but don't push your lifstyle on me! and after 120 we'll see who was right! you never know maybe you're wrong!

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 Mar 13, 2010 at 11:00 PM Anonymous Says:

reply to # 16
sorry to hear about your "animal" situation my wife looks quite beautiful without her sheitel

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 Mar 13, 2010 at 11:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Sheitels = Tznius l'mehadrin Says:

The Lubavitcher Rebbe begged women to wear sheitels ONLY, in public. The reason for this is that the sheitel will better cover the hair; one would never be tempted to remove or push back a sheitel in public as one might with a hat or scarf. Contrary to popular misconception, the purpose of hair covering is not to make women look unattractive, but to simply have the hair covered. (There is a lot of depth to this mitzvah, as explained al pi kabala, but that's not the point here.)

This truth was brought home to me when I once attended a lecture on tznius, taught by a VERY well known rebbetzin. Her snood was slipping, and throughout the lecture her HAIR WAS EXPOSED! The irony was astounding.

Lubavitcher women have mesiras nefesh to only wear a sheitel in public--even in the smoldering heat or when running out to the store. Trust me, it requires dedication. Did you know the Rebbe actually set up fund to enable women to wear sheitels? He was extremely devoted to this concept, in many many ways, too numerous to list here. (Of course, the sheitel must be in a tznius style.)

Clearly, there are various opinions on the matter. But it is blatantly wrong to say that it is ASSUR.

Yasher koach ! You expressed the Rebbe's opinion well! I only feel properly dressed and tznius when I'm wearing my sheitel!

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 Mar 14, 2010 at 12:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Sheitels = Tznius l'mehadrin Says:

The Lubavitcher Rebbe begged women to wear sheitels ONLY, in public. The reason for this is that the sheitel will better cover the hair; one would never be tempted to remove or push back a sheitel in public as one might with a hat or scarf. Contrary to popular misconception, the purpose of hair covering is not to make women look unattractive, but to simply have the hair covered. (There is a lot of depth to this mitzvah, as explained al pi kabala, but that's not the point here.)

This truth was brought home to me when I once attended a lecture on tznius, taught by a VERY well known rebbetzin. Her snood was slipping, and throughout the lecture her HAIR WAS EXPOSED! The irony was astounding.

Lubavitcher women have mesiras nefesh to only wear a sheitel in public--even in the smoldering heat or when running out to the store. Trust me, it requires dedication. Did you know the Rebbe actually set up fund to enable women to wear sheitels? He was extremely devoted to this concept, in many many ways, too numerous to list here. (Of course, the sheitel must be in a tznius style.)

Clearly, there are various opinions on the matter. But it is blatantly wrong to say that it is ASSUR.

Please don't kid me,in crown heights plenty of women these days don't have sheitels.You say it's not to make women unattractive,but one thing is forsure it should not make them look more attractive.

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 Mar 14, 2010 at 06:56 AM Chossid Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

You should really seek your rov's council about your anger problem!

You mean, of course COUNSEL! Council means something entirley different.!. I think I detect a Freudian slip here:-)

BTW To me my wife is the most beautiful woman in the world, whatever she wears. She disagrees with me. She thinks that our daughters (all married) are more beautiful than her. We do agree that what they are wearing at any particular time makes no difference to their true beauty.

I do agree that it is a close run thing. I can't comment on all the other women in the world because I hardly notice them.

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 Mar 14, 2010 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

I once had a discussion with a very intelligent friend of mine from BP about the nature of tznius. She maintained that the essence of tznius was "No one should look at you twice." Not because you're overdressed, or because you look like a schlump. You should look presentable, but not flashy or provocative. A nicely done but conservative wig suits exactly this purpose. Same for clothes - current but not "mod" styles, restrained but attractive colors (not the "Look at me, I'm trying to be Amish" all-black), below the knee but not brushing on the sidewalk - moderation, as per the Rambam.

Save the expensive sheitel for your husband. On the street, look put-together but not remarkable.

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 Mar 14, 2010 at 10:34 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

Yes it is very easy to be beautiful at home and wear a shaitel if you have a made 24/7

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

I once had a discussion with a very intelligent friend of mine from BP about the nature of tznius. She maintained that the essence of tznius was "No one should look at you twice." Not because you're overdressed, or because you look like a schlump. You should look presentable, but not flashy or provocative. A nicely done but conservative wig suits exactly this purpose. Same for clothes - current but not "mod" styles, restrained but attractive colors (not the "Look at me, I'm trying to be Amish" all-black), below the knee but not brushing on the sidewalk - moderation, as per the Rambam.

Save the expensive sheitel for your husband. On the street, look put-together but not remarkable.

Well said! Best comment yet! Very logical and should be the standard.

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 Mar 18, 2010 at 07:53 PM DIS-agreeing Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Sheitels should be assur, period. Woman who previously had snarly, nasty hair take the opportunity to make themselves more attractive. Which may be OK at home, for the husband or for herself. But to gallavant in front of other men by chasunas or at shul is treif. It doesn't smell right.

Even the frumest women don't see anything wrong in making themselves more beautiful for the rest of the world to see while they downplay their beauty at home where it SHOULD be displayed.

no-i think that wen i get married i should be able to wear a shaitel and not a nerdy head thingy!!!!!! :) :) :) :(

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