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New York - In recent weeks, the Obama Administration has endorsed “healthy relations” between Iran and Syria, mildly rebuked Syrian President Bashar Assad for accusing the U.S. of “colonialism,” and publicly apologized to Moammar Gadhafi for treating him with less than appropriate deference after the Libyan called for “a jihad” against Switzerland.

When it comes to Israel, however, the Administration has no trouble rising to a high pitch of public indignation. On a visit to Israel last week, Vice President Joe Biden condemned an announcement by a mid-level Israeli official that the government had approved a planning stage—the fourth out of seven required—for the construction of 1,600 housing units in north Jerusalem. Assuming final approval, no ground will be broken on the project for at least three years.

But neither that nor repeated apologies from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu prevented Secretary of State Hillary Clinton—at what White House sources ostentatiously said was the personal direction of President Obama—from calling the announcement “an insult to the United States.” White House political chief David Axelrod got in his licks on NBC’s Meet the Press yesterday, lambasting Israel for what he described as “an affront.”

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Since nobody is defending the Israeli announcement, least of all an obviously embarrassed Israeli government, it’s difficult to see why the Administration has chosen this occasion to spark a full-blown diplomatic crisis with its most reliable Middle Eastern ally. Mr. Biden’s visit was intended to reassure Israelis that the Administration remained fully committed to Israeli security and legitimacy. In a speech at Tel Aviv University two days after the Israeli announcement, Mr. Biden publicly thanked Mr. Netanyahu for “putting in place a process to prevent the recurrence” of similar incidents.

The subsequent escalation by Mrs. Clinton was clearly intended as a highly public rebuke to the Israelis, but its political and strategic logic is puzzling. The U.S. needs Israel’s acquiescence in the Obama Administration’s increasingly drawn-out efforts to halt Iran’s nuclear bid through diplomacy or sanctions. But Israel’s restraint is measured in direct proportion to its sense that U.S. security guarantees are good. If Israel senses that the Administration is looking for any pretext to blow up relations, it will care much less how the U.S. might react to a military strike on Iran.

As for the West Bank settlements, it is increasingly difficult to argue that their existence is the key obstacle to a peace deal with the Palestinians. Israel withdrew all of its settlements from Gaza in 2005, only to see the Strip transform itself into a Hamas statelet and a base for continuous rocket fire against Israeli civilians.

Israeli anxieties about America’s role as an honest broker in any diplomacy won’t be assuaged by the Administration’s neuralgia over this particular housing project, which falls within Jerusalem’s municipal boundaries and can only be described as a “settlement” in the maximalist terms defined by the Palestinians. Any realistic peace deal will have to include a readjustment of the 1967 borders and an exchange of territory, a point formally recognized by the Bush Administration prior to Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza. If the Obama Administration opts to transform itself, as the Europeans have, into another set of lawyers for the Palestinians, it will find Israeli concessions increasingly hard to come by.

That may be the preferred outcome for Israel’s enemies, both in the Arab world and the West, since it allows them to paint Israel as the intransigent party standing in the way of “peace.” Why an Administration that repeatedly avers its friendship with Israel would want that is another question.

Then again, this episode does fit Mr. Obama’s foreign policy pattern to date: Our enemies get courted; our friends get the squeeze. It has happened to Poland, the Czech Republic, Honduras and Colombia. Now it’s Israel’s turn.



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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Wow some one sees things as they are

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Kudos to the wall street journal for saying it as it is...

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:27 AM DizzyIzzy Says:

This administration seems to following a standardized checklist of what liberal democrats are supposed to do when given power. If it wasn't so destructive, it would almost be funny.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:28 AM chief doofis Says:

Rightly or wrongly, an American Rabbi acted in an unusual fashion (R. Avi Weiss) and many Orthodox Jews discussed the matter, both pro and con. This is what happens when a group CARES about what is right or wrong. (I leave the decision making, in this aspect, to others)

President Obama, "davened" in a church where the pastor spewed anti Semitic, anti Israel, and anti American vitriol for a generation. Unlike us, he can drive to another church on Sunday. If we don't like our local shul, it's often difficult the find another within walking distance. Ess failt nisht Black churches in Chicago, and with the ability to drive, the Obamas could have found a new "makom kavua". By choosing not to, they showed us their true anti Israel, anti America and anti Western colors. 80% of American Jews voted for this (except for those who don talis and t'fillin every day).

They sowed the wind, and now we are reaping the whirlwind! Forget America, we need the Ribbono Shel Olam, quickly!

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Once upon a time there was France who was the good friend of Israel then one day De Gaulle decided that he will join the Arab front so Israel found a new friend the United States. It looks like that Israel now has to start looking for a new friend, as Obama thinks that the dictators and terrorists are to be courted whilest the ally - Israel - needs to be humiliated. Unless Israeli politicians insist on a public apology from the US Administration, I srael desrves what it gets

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:34 AM Sasregener Says:

It's amazing that not one Jewish or Israeli publication has the insight or backbone
to state what the WSJ said, and what needs to be stated loudly and publicly.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:35 AM Anonymous Says:

אין לנו על מי להישען

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Aside from the valid accusations that the Obama administration has emerged as a staunch anti-Israeli, probably anti-Jewish voice, the problem is that they have refused to recognize facts. There has never been a single concession by Israel that had positive results. Study the history. Every inch that Israel conceded became a launch point for military or terror activity against Israel. And people still have the guts to call Israel the aggressor. That chutzpah is unequaled in the civilized world.

I only hope that we, the people, will be privileged to catch Obama and his co-conspirators with impeachable offenses so that the world can view their true characters. To all the fools that bought the “Jews vote Democratic”, shame on you. Look what you have helped build.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:48 AM Abe Bird Says:

Obama squeezed Britain too while stuck neutrality in Falkland island crisis. What's going on in the WH?

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 09:48 AM Anonymous Says:

The WSJ was always the voice of reason in contrast to the leftist Liberal NYT. Clinton jumped on the bandwagon to criticize Israel because she sees which way Obama is going and jumps on board. She is strictly a copycat and gets her licks in when it cnat backfire on her. She is timid, not creative, not loyal, and blows with the wind. Biden, is a long time Israeli supporter. He said thanks for the apology and lets move on. Obama and Clinton are turning it into a big deal. Idiots.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:07 AM Anonymous Says:

At least this story has distracted from the attacks against Israel's Dubai fiasco.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

אין לנו על מי להישען

אלא על אבינו שבשמים

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM James Dean Says:

I wonder how Israel will react the next time the USA asks not to sell UAVs to China. Obama is opening up a window for Russia and China to step into the Mid-East in a big way. Are his advisers are really that dumb?

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:15 AM PMO Says:

I agree with him on everything... almost.

On a personal level, as a yid, his opinions are spot-on.

However, as an American I understand why the rebuke was necessary. The United States does not exist to stroke the egos of Israelis. The United States does not exist for the purpose of helping Israel. The United States ONLY interest is the United States, and our only interest in Israel should be those interests that benefit us.

This is why the US needs to get out of the "peacemaking" business. Republicans and Democrats ALL seem to think this is the prize of the century. IF we continue to have "mid-east peace" as a national goal, we will always be disappointed. Our goals are not the same as the goals of Israel. Mr. Obama would be wise to continue to seek bridges into the Muslim world and forget about "mid-east peace". Let Israel take care of that part, we have little strategic interest in how the Israel/Palestinian issue plays out. We do, however, have a strategic interest in diminishing Iran's hold over Syria, Lebanon and other nations.

It is difficult to be a yid and be loyal to the US. The goals do not always line up, and this is one of those times.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

אין לנו על מי להישען

elah avinu shebashamayim

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:19 AM who cares Says:

It is better to trust Hashem than rely on "princes".

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:20 AM Anonymous Says:

well surprise surprise!it seems that usa is isolating itself from pretty much every country that it NEEDS to be pals with........you go obama and Biden,im sure the Americans didnt have this in mind when you swore there would be change1

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:29 AM Ad Kan Says:

Well I for one am glad that this “slap in the face” occured. Its a chutzpah beyond belief that a country that is our supposed “closest ally” would tel us where to build in our cities. Imagine the US telling England “we don’t want you building in London anymore” that would pretty much be the end of US and UK being allies…its unheard of. US Israel politics are pathetic. Israel is OWNED OWNED OWNED by America. People need to wake up and realize that in Americas eyes, Israel is only important as long as it behaves and does exactly what America wants of it. Israel exists to please America. It can’t make its own military decisions and now it can’t even make the simplest construction decisions without asking the USA first. Its like USA is the MOMMY and Israel is the BABY. P A T H E T I C.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:

"Our enemies get courted; our friends get the squeeze". this has to be one of the most truthful insights into Obama and the left wings foreign policy approach

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 11:04 AM US anger = A Blessing in disguise Says:

Brouch Hashem that the US is as angry as can be because now Israel is FREE AT LAST and they can do as the please without worry if they will anger the USA since they are already angry anyway so thee is nothing more to loose,

Israel can now enjoy their freedom - Zman Cheresenu - and destroy all their Terrorists enemies very quickly, before the USA changes it's mind and pretends to be their best Friend again. Such false sense of freindship will only instill more fear in to Israel and enslave Israel to the USA once again.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 11:04 AM formally Says:

maybe obama is naive and thinks if you act nice to the radical Muslim they will change.

However, he and unfortunately us will bear the consequences.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 11:16 AM Anonymous Says:

How's this for all that good hopey, changey ways of the messiahs attitude towards Israel! Is everyone happier now with the messiah? Wait until he begins to come and taqke everyones 401 K's!

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 11:38 AM PMO Says:

Reply to #18  
Ad Kan Says:

Well I for one am glad that this “slap in the face” occured. Its a chutzpah beyond belief that a country that is our supposed “closest ally” would tel us where to build in our cities. Imagine the US telling England “we don’t want you building in London anymore” that would pretty much be the end of US and UK being allies…its unheard of. US Israel politics are pathetic. Israel is OWNED OWNED OWNED by America. People need to wake up and realize that in Americas eyes, Israel is only important as long as it behaves and does exactly what America wants of it. Israel exists to please America. It can’t make its own military decisions and now it can’t even make the simplest construction decisions without asking the USA first. Its like USA is the MOMMY and Israel is the BABY. P A T H E T I C.

Actually, when it comes to lands that are "disputed" by the world, we typically do get involved. Taiwan, for example is fiercely defended by the US, even though it is claimed as part of China. We have nearly instigated war multiple times over it. There are other examples as well. It is easy to say "why not give Texas back to Mexico" or some silly nonsense like that.

We must realize that the US DOES NOT have any obligation to Israel. The US only has an obligation to protect its own interests. Israel, in turn, should not worry about the US. Israel should act in its own interests. However, sometimes those ideas collide. In this case, they collided. Israel COULD have handled this better to avoid the crisis, but they were certainly under no obligation to.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Aside from the valid accusations that the Obama administration has emerged as a staunch anti-Israeli, probably anti-Jewish voice, the problem is that they have refused to recognize facts. There has never been a single concession by Israel that had positive results. Study the history. Every inch that Israel conceded became a launch point for military or terror activity against Israel. And people still have the guts to call Israel the aggressor. That chutzpah is unequaled in the civilized world.

I only hope that we, the people, will be privileged to catch Obama and his co-conspirators with impeachable offenses so that the world can view their true characters. To all the fools that bought the “Jews vote Democratic”, shame on you. Look what you have helped build.

Receiving the amount of military aid given by the U.S. to Israel , Israel is beholden. A son-in-law supported to some extent by his father-in-law does not have many choices. Get off the military assistance bottle and you kick the administration as much as you want.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 11:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
chief doofis Says:

Rightly or wrongly, an American Rabbi acted in an unusual fashion (R. Avi Weiss) and many Orthodox Jews discussed the matter, both pro and con. This is what happens when a group CARES about what is right or wrong. (I leave the decision making, in this aspect, to others)

President Obama, "davened" in a church where the pastor spewed anti Semitic, anti Israel, and anti American vitriol for a generation. Unlike us, he can drive to another church on Sunday. If we don't like our local shul, it's often difficult the find another within walking distance. Ess failt nisht Black churches in Chicago, and with the ability to drive, the Obamas could have found a new "makom kavua". By choosing not to, they showed us their true anti Israel, anti America and anti Western colors. 80% of American Jews voted for this (except for those who don talis and t'fillin every day).

They sowed the wind, and now we are reaping the whirlwind! Forget America, we need the Ribbono Shel Olam, quickly!

Plenty of those "who don talis and tefillin'" voted for this man.

33

 Mar 15, 2010 at 12:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Sasregener Says:

It's amazing that not one Jewish or Israeli publication has the insight or backbone
to state what the WSJ said, and what needs to be stated loudly and publicly.

AIPAC did come out strongly against the president.

34

 Mar 15, 2010 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Thank you, Mr, Rupert Murdoch ! Chaver.

35

 Mar 15, 2010 at 01:00 PM Zionist Says:

I strongly believe that netanyahu has a lot of typical Isralei chutzpah. Israel was wrong in what it did while Biden visited israel. I live near an Israeli and he is all azus ponim. All these secular Israelis have a terrible attitude which bodes very poorly for the jewish nation at large.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 01:02 PM Shtuyot Says:

Reply to #30  
PMO Says:

Actually, when it comes to lands that are "disputed" by the world, we typically do get involved. Taiwan, for example is fiercely defended by the US, even though it is claimed as part of China. We have nearly instigated war multiple times over it. There are other examples as well. It is easy to say "why not give Texas back to Mexico" or some silly nonsense like that.

We must realize that the US DOES NOT have any obligation to Israel. The US only has an obligation to protect its own interests. Israel, in turn, should not worry about the US. Israel should act in its own interests. However, sometimes those ideas collide. In this case, they collided. Israel COULD have handled this better to avoid the crisis, but they were certainly under no obligation to.

What business does the Us have in meddling in Israels building affairs. The Israel Palestinian crisis is not the USAs business at all. they stuck their knows in and now they dont know what to do.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:

To #27 I agree with you. This administration is tied only to countries with "oil"
. They cowtow to them. They cater to them. You do not have it.== we do not need you. After they throw Israel away, it will be too late for them! It will be like throwing the baby out with the bathwater!! They had a strong alliance and with Hillary's big mouth are destroying it!!

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 01:15 PM true peace Says:

it is amazing to read all the talk backs

i have a simple question, if jews can build in ramat shlomo why could they build in tell aviv
who gives the right for any jew to be in the "middle east"
why is israel in the middle of a sea of arabs states?

the song of "never again", song by so many "lefty" jews rings so hollow... simply, it screams the question what is a jew? what is the holy land? who made it holy and how?

answer the above and you will understand who gave and got the slap in the face!

G-d only knows!

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 01:29 PM Analyst says Says:

The administration's strategy, probably well known the WSJ, is to deligitimize Natanyahu, so that a center-left government is elected in Israel, which would be more willing to make concessions to the Arabs.
Bill Clinton did the same thing to Bibi in the 90's.
Despite his apologies, Bibi is aware of the game and will tell Obama "no" in diplomatic terms, so as not to blow the goodwill of the center-right of the American political landscape. This is why J Street was so vocal on this issue since they see an opening to undermine the present government in Israel and hope to increase their leftisit allie"s base consisting of the Arab parties, Meretz and some Kadimah fellow travelers.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 01:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Re; to no 35. You are fool, One, of your neighbors is unpleasent, therefore all of Israeli society is condemned. U R a chusid shoitah ,at the least.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 01:35 PM Worse than that... Says:

Worse than Obama and his no-goodniks, are the Israeli politicos. Rather than closing rank with the PM, and stating unequivocably that they should not intefere with internal government decisions (basically, mind your own business - don't talk to us about peace negotiations until the PA is ready to give some proof of sincerity) - they use this to attack the PM for their own political egos and gain.
"Meharsayich u'machrivyich memaich yetzeyoo" nebech.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 01:45 PM Anonymous Says:

No. 38. Oh, to be so ignorant . Which, asylum are you from..

43

 Mar 15, 2010 at 01:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Zionist Says:

I strongly believe that netanyahu has a lot of typical Isralei chutzpah. Israel was wrong in what it did while Biden visited israel. I live near an Israeli and he is all azus ponim. All these secular Israelis have a terrible attitude which bodes very poorly for the jewish nation at large.

chutzpa!?

what chutzpa?
please tell me where, today, in the world today is it illegal for a jew live?
which state?
tell me where in the world does obama or anyone else tell others where to live or build? where?

chutzpah! you are so stuck in galus you dont even know what chutzpah means
why do jews belong in israel? that might be a chutzpah!
why do jews still exist? that might be another bigger chutzpa!

read the first rashi in chumash

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 02:09 PM Zionist Says:

Reply to #43  
Anonymous Says:

chutzpa!?

what chutzpa?
please tell me where, today, in the world today is it illegal for a jew live?
which state?
tell me where in the world does obama or anyone else tell others where to live or build? where?

chutzpah! you are so stuck in galus you dont even know what chutzpah means
why do jews belong in israel? that might be a chutzpah!
why do jews still exist? that might be another bigger chutzpa!

read the first rashi in chumash

Yes, it is a chutzpah to spit in Biden's face as a representative of a country that has poured billions of dollars into the Israeli military, economy, etc. Yes, a groisen chutzpah on the part of Netanyahu and his cronies. Chutzpah oiyom v'noira.

Why do jews exist, you ask. Keep on acting chutzpahdik and you will see that the numbers of yidden will dwindle. Part of the assimiliation is due to marginal jews not wanting to be lumped toghether in the same pot with religious jews who act with chilul hashem. Should I mention for you the orthodox chilul hashem in just the past 3 days?

Your response to me reflects your elevated level of gaavah and chutzpah.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 03:08 PM Seichel Says:

Reply to #44  
Zionist Says:

Yes, it is a chutzpah to spit in Biden's face as a representative of a country that has poured billions of dollars into the Israeli military, economy, etc. Yes, a groisen chutzpah on the part of Netanyahu and his cronies. Chutzpah oiyom v'noira.

Why do jews exist, you ask. Keep on acting chutzpahdik and you will see that the numbers of yidden will dwindle. Part of the assimiliation is due to marginal jews not wanting to be lumped toghether in the same pot with religious jews who act with chilul hashem. Should I mention for you the orthodox chilul hashem in just the past 3 days?

Your response to me reflects your elevated level of gaavah and chutzpah.

Can I ask you what right America has to tell Israel where to build ON ITS OWN LAND???? America is Israel's ally (or claims to be) as its ally it should treat Israel with respect and allow it to do what's necessary for its own people. Every time Israel was reluctant to fight off the Palestinians it was because of the USA telling them no. If not for Clinton YMSV Arafat and his Intifadas never would have happened. America is a thorn in Israels side. No they used to be a thorn, now they are a knife in the back because they aren't putting sanctions on Iran and they are forcing Israel not to attack Iran and even further are withholding crucial armaments that would help secure Israel if it has a multi fronted was with Hamas, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah.

America is NOT our friend anymore.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 03:22 PM stormin Says:

we must thank all those liberal jews orthodox and non orthodox as well as the Kapos in the White House

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 03:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Now we see him for what he is with regard to Eretz Yisrael.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 03:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #44  
Zionist Says:

Yes, it is a chutzpah to spit in Biden's face as a representative of a country that has poured billions of dollars into the Israeli military, economy, etc. Yes, a groisen chutzpah on the part of Netanyahu and his cronies. Chutzpah oiyom v'noira.

Why do jews exist, you ask. Keep on acting chutzpahdik and you will see that the numbers of yidden will dwindle. Part of the assimiliation is due to marginal jews not wanting to be lumped toghether in the same pot with religious jews who act with chilul hashem. Should I mention for you the orthodox chilul hashem in just the past 3 days?

Your response to me reflects your elevated level of gaavah and chutzpah.

You should change your nic to POST zionist, you don't sound like a true Zionist at all.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 03:55 PM Sam Says:

WSJ gets it, and says it, better than anyone. If you read the Times over the Journal you need your head checked!

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 03:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Who planted this guy in the white house?

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 03:59 PM Robert Says:

love the wall street journal
probably the best newspaper in the world

the NYT smells of manure

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 06:01 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #14  
PMO Says:

I agree with him on everything... almost.

On a personal level, as a yid, his opinions are spot-on.

However, as an American I understand why the rebuke was necessary. The United States does not exist to stroke the egos of Israelis. The United States does not exist for the purpose of helping Israel. The United States ONLY interest is the United States, and our only interest in Israel should be those interests that benefit us.

This is why the US needs to get out of the "peacemaking" business. Republicans and Democrats ALL seem to think this is the prize of the century. IF we continue to have "mid-east peace" as a national goal, we will always be disappointed. Our goals are not the same as the goals of Israel. Mr. Obama would be wise to continue to seek bridges into the Muslim world and forget about "mid-east peace". Let Israel take care of that part, we have little strategic interest in how the Israel/Palestinian issue plays out. We do, however, have a strategic interest in diminishing Iran's hold over Syria, Lebanon and other nations.

It is difficult to be a yid and be loyal to the US. The goals do not always line up, and this is one of those times.

I take issue with your last statement where you state that “it is difficult to be a Yid and be loyal to the US. The goals do not always line up, and this is one of those times.”

No, it should not be difficult at all to be a Yid and at the same time be loyal to the US. If a US president has a certain goal, let's say about health care, nobody is obligated to agree with him. Same is here, we have no obligation to agree with the president with his policy of appeasing the Arabs, Not only don't we have to agree with him, but we have a right to lobby the congress and Senate and to use every legal means that they not to go along with his goals.

When the US would go to war with let's say Mexico, then we can not aid Mexico against the United States; that would be traitorous, but we have every right to lobby the US president not to declare war on Mexico even if our goals do not always line up.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 06:28 PM Zionist Says:

Reply to #45  
Seichel Says:

Can I ask you what right America has to tell Israel where to build ON ITS OWN LAND???? America is Israel's ally (or claims to be) as its ally it should treat Israel with respect and allow it to do what's necessary for its own people. Every time Israel was reluctant to fight off the Palestinians it was because of the USA telling them no. If not for Clinton YMSV Arafat and his Intifadas never would have happened. America is a thorn in Israels side. No they used to be a thorn, now they are a knife in the back because they aren't putting sanctions on Iran and they are forcing Israel not to attack Iran and even further are withholding crucial armaments that would help secure Israel if it has a multi fronted was with Hamas, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah.

America is NOT our friend anymore.

When Israel refuses all aid and money from US, then Israel can tell US to leave. Until such time however, Israel must show hakoras hatov to US and not be chutzpadik with coming out with a policy decision that they knew would upset Biden and the US GOvt. Only someone with high levels of chutzpah sticks it in the face of someone who is kind to them, such as US is kind to Israel.

If chas v'shalom US was to ever cut all aid to Israel, what would you say then. Easy for you to talk becasue you live in some fancy shmancy house in gliterring Brooklyn and dont care less about Israel. You all talk about Israel, but do you really care about Israel?

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 06:48 PM gop2010 Says:

Kol hakovod to the gop who are making clear their strong support for israel.House minority leader boehener(r-oh) and whip cantor(r-va) issued a strong public statement taking on obama's disgusting policy to israel .

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 08:06 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #52  
Askupeh Says:

I take issue with your last statement where you state that “it is difficult to be a Yid and be loyal to the US. The goals do not always line up, and this is one of those times.”

No, it should not be difficult at all to be a Yid and at the same time be loyal to the US. If a US president has a certain goal, let's say about health care, nobody is obligated to agree with him. Same is here, we have no obligation to agree with the president with his policy of appeasing the Arabs, Not only don't we have to agree with him, but we have a right to lobby the congress and Senate and to use every legal means that they not to go along with his goals.

When the US would go to war with let's say Mexico, then we can not aid Mexico against the United States; that would be traitorous, but we have every right to lobby the US president not to declare war on Mexico even if our goals do not always line up.

Your point is well taken. But the goals are different. When it comes to this issue, we don't really care what is good for the US nearly as much as for Israel. That is the point. If the US had everything to gain by giving in to the Palestinians, we would still be against it, even to the detriment of the US. That was my only point.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
PMO Says:

Your point is well taken. But the goals are different. When it comes to this issue, we don't really care what is good for the US nearly as much as for Israel. That is the point. If the US had everything to gain by giving in to the Palestinians, we would still be against it, even to the detriment of the US. That was my only point.

..if so, your point is only from an hypothetical perspective ; being that for the US it is certainly better the israeli doctrine..as has been proven again n again...it is solely the mind of Obama himself one who couldn't care less about America itself (..as clearly indicated in his infamous U.N speech given last yr)

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
PMO Says:

Your point is well taken. But the goals are different. When it comes to this issue, we don't really care what is good for the US nearly as much as for Israel. That is the point. If the US had everything to gain by giving in to the Palestinians, we would still be against it, even to the detriment of the US. That was my only point.

Rather than being objective and call out Hillery Clinton and her boss for what they really are, you seem to twist it to prove that it's Jews that are biased. Every one is biased for what they believe in, the question is who sees things our way and does not. We see Americas Interest in supporting Israel as Arabs are terrorists. So does a majority of Republicans ( 85%), 60% of Independent 48% of democrats support Israel over the Arabs (Gallup Poll Feb 2010).

You seem not defend Obama at any cost including even if he'll stop the USA's support for Israel. He has taken a very anti-Israel approach and of course he can say it's in America's interest and then caboom, we American Jews just have to accept it. Besides since when is it about interest, isn't it about justice?

How can you claim that you are a libertarian when you never fail to defend Obama's policies and when you cant you blame us for being biased. The fact is that this has nothing to do with right wing media but with Jewish interests and here again you'll go the offensive and say we are not loyal citizens. You know the truth how much Obama loves Israel and that's why he visited every country in that region besides Israel.

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 Mar 15, 2010 at 10:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
PMO Says:

I agree with him on everything... almost.

On a personal level, as a yid, his opinions are spot-on.

However, as an American I understand why the rebuke was necessary. The United States does not exist to stroke the egos of Israelis. The United States does not exist for the purpose of helping Israel. The United States ONLY interest is the United States, and our only interest in Israel should be those interests that benefit us.

This is why the US needs to get out of the "peacemaking" business. Republicans and Democrats ALL seem to think this is the prize of the century. IF we continue to have "mid-east peace" as a national goal, we will always be disappointed. Our goals are not the same as the goals of Israel. Mr. Obama would be wise to continue to seek bridges into the Muslim world and forget about "mid-east peace". Let Israel take care of that part, we have little strategic interest in how the Israel/Palestinian issue plays out. We do, however, have a strategic interest in diminishing Iran's hold over Syria, Lebanon and other nations.

It is difficult to be a yid and be loyal to the US. The goals do not always line up, and this is one of those times.

We see Americas Interest in supporting Israel as Arabs are terrorists. So does a majority of Republicans ( 85%), 60% of Independent 48% of democrats support Israel over the Arabs (Gallup Poll Feb 2010).

Dont forget who Obama's priest was for 22 years.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 12:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

The WSJ was always the voice of reason in contrast to the leftist Liberal NYT. Clinton jumped on the bandwagon to criticize Israel because she sees which way Obama is going and jumps on board. She is strictly a copycat and gets her licks in when it cnat backfire on her. She is timid, not creative, not loyal, and blows with the wind. Biden, is a long time Israeli supporter. He said thanks for the apology and lets move on. Obama and Clinton are turning it into a big deal. Idiots.

Clinton kissed suha arafat and called for a "palestinian" state along time ago.

It is a world of Sheker.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 06:26 AM Mr. Green Says:

Reply to #35  
Zionist Says:

I strongly believe that netanyahu has a lot of typical Isralei chutzpah. Israel was wrong in what it did while Biden visited israel. I live near an Israeli and he is all azus ponim. All these secular Israelis have a terrible attitude which bodes very poorly for the jewish nation at large.

"Zionist" says: I live near an Israeli and he is all azus ponim.
Well, I have been living in Israel for nearly 40 years and I live near a lot of Israelis (obviously). And ya know something, there's all kinds, just like there are all kinds of "Zionists" (like you) in the good ole USA. But I don't know any Israelis who are primitive enough to generalize from a single neighbor's behavior as to how their prime minister functions in his job. You are indeed special.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 07:30 AM Anonymous Says:

I rarely watch any TV whatsoever, but last night I watched "Nightline" on ABC.The last comment made by Cynthia McFadden the program's host discussed the rift between Israel and the US. Her question was "Is the US being too aggressive regarding their attitude towards Israel. She asked people watching the show to blog in their comments. I did so, and brought out the fact that this Administration has pressured Israel without letup and has been leaning over backwards in favor of the Palestinians, who have been expected by this Administration to do little or nothing to encourage the so-called Peace Process.
I included the unfortunate incident of the young Rabbi father of 7 who was murdered by the Fatah terrorists on 12/24/09 driving home from his job. and when the IDF responded by hunting these murderers down and executing them, this Administration wanted to know why.
Guess what, they refused to accept my comment. the comments that were posted many were very nasty and anti-Israel, stating that it was about time to put Israel in its place. The blogs were signed and the names appeared to be Jewish . Interesting, right!! This is the Hope and Change.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 07:39 AM yes Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

Now we see him for what he is with regard to Eretz Yisrael.

He's the first person to come along in a long time who might help achieve some peace there. Or don't you want that?

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 07:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

The WSJ was always the voice of reason in contrast to the leftist Liberal NYT. Clinton jumped on the bandwagon to criticize Israel because she sees which way Obama is going and jumps on board. She is strictly a copycat and gets her licks in when it cnat backfire on her. She is timid, not creative, not loyal, and blows with the wind. Biden, is a long time Israeli supporter. He said thanks for the apology and lets move on. Obama and Clinton are turning it into a big deal. Idiots.

Clinton works for Obama, he's her boss. She HAS to do as he says. It's her job.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 09:23 AM PMO Says:

Reply to #36  
Shtuyot Says:

What business does the Us have in meddling in Israels building affairs. The Israel Palestinian crisis is not the USAs business at all. they stuck their knows in and now they dont know what to do.

The US was invited in. Did you really think that the tens of billions of dollars a year we give them, along with all the weapons systems, did not come with a seat at the table? There is no such thing as a free lunch, my friend.

Israel should continue to act in its own interests, but the US paid for the right to meddle, and they will continue to do so as they have for decades.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 09:23 AM Zionist Says:

Excellent piece by Bret Stephens in this morning's WSJ. In forty years of reading newspapers, this is perhaps one of the best pieces I ever read.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 09:26 AM Zionist Says:

Reply to #48  
Anonymous Says:

You should change your nic to POST zionist, you don't sound like a true Zionist at all.

I love what the country stands for.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 09:26 AM PMO Says:

Reply to #43  
Anonymous Says:

chutzpa!?

what chutzpa?
please tell me where, today, in the world today is it illegal for a jew live?
which state?
tell me where in the world does obama or anyone else tell others where to live or build? where?

chutzpah! you are so stuck in galus you dont even know what chutzpah means
why do jews belong in israel? that might be a chutzpah!
why do jews still exist? that might be another bigger chutzpa!

read the first rashi in chumash

To answer your question about Obama telling people where to build: The answer is Taiwan. Obama risked a military exchange with China to protect the people of Taiwan from a Chinese attempt to assert more control there through building.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 09:43 AM PMO Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

Rather than being objective and call out Hillery Clinton and her boss for what they really are, you seem to twist it to prove that it's Jews that are biased. Every one is biased for what they believe in, the question is who sees things our way and does not. We see Americas Interest in supporting Israel as Arabs are terrorists. So does a majority of Republicans ( 85%), 60% of Independent 48% of democrats support Israel over the Arabs (Gallup Poll Feb 2010).

You seem not defend Obama at any cost including even if he'll stop the USA's support for Israel. He has taken a very anti-Israel approach and of course he can say it's in America's interest and then caboom, we American Jews just have to accept it. Besides since when is it about interest, isn't it about justice?

How can you claim that you are a libertarian when you never fail to defend Obama's policies and when you cant you blame us for being biased. The fact is that this has nothing to do with right wing media but with Jewish interests and here again you'll go the offensive and say we are not loyal citizens. You know the truth how much Obama loves Israel and that's why he visited every country in that region besides Israel.

I didn't defend anything. It shows YOUR bias that you find a defense of anyone in my comment. Even your description of the poll you quoted was a lie. The poll does not mention "Arabs" or "Terrorists". The poll specifically asks about "Palestinians" and other questions specific to the "Palestinian Authority". If you are going to try to make yourself sound "smart", at least try getting the facts right first.

I merely stated that we, as yidden, will always put Israel first... as we should! Your ridiculous comment that "...Arabs are terrorists" is just plain ridiculous and anyone with half a brain knows that to be false. The correct statement is "Terrorists in this day and age are typically Muslims". There is a big difference between the two and your choice of words shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. .

Of course Americans support Israel. Much of that has to do with the xian beliefs about Jews controlling Israel, by the way. Let's not forget that before 9/11, Americans were VERY mixed in their support of Israel.

Try learning something that didn't come from a radio infotainer once in a while. A few FACTS and some context could go a long way for you.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 10:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #68  
PMO Says:

I didn't defend anything. It shows YOUR bias that you find a defense of anyone in my comment. Even your description of the poll you quoted was a lie. The poll does not mention "Arabs" or "Terrorists". The poll specifically asks about "Palestinians" and other questions specific to the "Palestinian Authority". If you are going to try to make yourself sound "smart", at least try getting the facts right first.

I merely stated that we, as yidden, will always put Israel first... as we should! Your ridiculous comment that "...Arabs are terrorists" is just plain ridiculous and anyone with half a brain knows that to be false. The correct statement is "Terrorists in this day and age are typically Muslims". There is a big difference between the two and your choice of words shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. .

Of course Americans support Israel. Much of that has to do with the xian beliefs about Jews controlling Israel, by the way. Let's not forget that before 9/11, Americans were VERY mixed in their support of Israel.

Try learning something that didn't come from a radio infotainer once in a while. A few FACTS and some context could go a long way for you.

#1 Never wrote the poll said anything about Arabs being terrorists. The poll did state that over 80% of Republicans, 60% of Ind. and 48% of Democrats support Israel over the Pals as of now. So it seems America's interest is very well in sync with Israel. Obama is the one who has a very different agenda. So when you say we are biased and that Obama's interest is America, you are wrong.

#2 Yes Arabs are ALL terrorists. If you'll find a small minority who do not support terror, they are not religious. Just read their Quran and you'll see, I have. Of course when I say they are terrorists, that includes those who support them or believe in their method of war and that includes Saudi Arabia. They may not see any benefit in getting their name involved but they believe in it in principle and want these groups to be around. Just note the many countries in the middle east who have either given support, training or education to terrorists and you'll have almost every country.

The rest of what you write is totally irrelevant and personal.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 04:14 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #55  
PMO Says:

Your point is well taken. But the goals are different. When it comes to this issue, we don't really care what is good for the US nearly as much as for Israel. That is the point. If the US had everything to gain by giving in to the Palestinians, we would still be against it, even to the detriment of the US. That was my only point.

Look , to Israel it is about survival, to the US, or rather to some in the US it's only about interests. Interests cannot beat survival and most non Jewish Americans understand this.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 04:25 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #53  
Zionist Says:

When Israel refuses all aid and money from US, then Israel can tell US to leave. Until such time however, Israel must show hakoras hatov to US and not be chutzpadik with coming out with a policy decision that they knew would upset Biden and the US GOvt. Only someone with high levels of chutzpah sticks it in the face of someone who is kind to them, such as US is kind to Israel.

If chas v'shalom US was to ever cut all aid to Israel, what would you say then. Easy for you to talk becasue you live in some fancy shmancy house in gliterring Brooklyn and dont care less about Israel. You all talk about Israel, but do you really care about Israel?

Israel more then any nation on earth shows Hakoras Hatov to the United States. If only you knew how much "intelligence" Israel gives to the US. What Israel gives to the US, 100 fleets couldn’t.

As to taking money from the US; Netanyahu the first time he was prime minister made a statement that goes something like this, (I'm paraphrasing) that "we are finding out that taking money from America means telling us what to do, therefore it would be in Israel's interest to stop taking money from America". Obviously the bosses in Israel unfortunately overruled him.

You make it sound as if a catastrophe would befall Israel when they stop taking money from the US. In my opinion it is a catastrophe now when they DO take the money. They need to act independent at all costs. I would put it differently that it will be a catastrophe for American when Israel decides not to take the money, as they won’t be able to tell Israel what to do.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 04:33 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #62  
yes Says:

He's the first person to come along in a long time who might help achieve some peace there. Or don't you want that?

Have you been sleeping for the last 70 years? The Arabs don't want peace, period.

Even Obama can't change that.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 04:35 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #64  
PMO Says:

The US was invited in. Did you really think that the tens of billions of dollars a year we give them, along with all the weapons systems, did not come with a seat at the table? There is no such thing as a free lunch, my friend.

Israel should continue to act in its own interests, but the US paid for the right to meddle, and they will continue to do so as they have for decades.

Tens of billions of dollars a year? Where did you get that number? I thought it was around 3 billion.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 06:21 PM gop2010 Says:

Reply to #64  
PMO Says:

The US was invited in. Did you really think that the tens of billions of dollars a year we give them, along with all the weapons systems, did not come with a seat at the table? There is no such thing as a free lunch, my friend.

Israel should continue to act in its own interests, but the US paid for the right to meddle, and they will continue to do so as they have for decades.

Not true,the aid is nothing near tens of billions of dollars a year.And a lot of the money is spent on the weapon systems,it's not seperate aid.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 08:33 PM PMO Says:

Reply to #73  
Askupeh Says:

Tens of billions of dollars a year? Where did you get that number? I thought it was around 3 billion.

When you take into account the value of the weapons we give them directly (not sold to them) that number is exponentially higher.

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 01:32 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #76  
PMO Says:

When you take into account the value of the weapons we give them directly (not sold to them) that number is exponentially higher.

And what is the value of what Israel gives the United States, counting intelligence, cover, and standing? I would estimate it to be in the trillions, and even trillions cannot buy that. What a bargain?

So we must say that it is not money only Hakoras Hatov. Yes the Hakoras Hatov is worth trillions.

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 May 04, 2010 at 02:50 PM Midi Converter Says:

An useful review

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