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in 2008 Evangelical pastor John Hagee addresses a crowd in Jerusalem. in 2008 Evangelical pastor John Hagee addresses a crowd in Jerusalem.

New York - My time with evangelical Christians has made me a better Jew,” says David Brog, the executive director of Christians United For Israel (CUFI). “It made me take my faith more seriously.” Evangelicals also take Judaism seriously, a conviction that over the last 20 years has variously surprised, pleased, and frightened Jews across the American political spectrum, even as the country’s massive evangelical movement has proven to be Israel’s unshakable ally. While the current occupant of the White House and his Jewish advisors appear eager for any excuse to keep Jerusalem at arm’s distance, evangelicals continue to love the Jewish state.

We’re sitting in the lobby of a Georgetown hotel, and Brog is a bit jet-lagged after just returning from a trip to Israel, where he escorted a group of 600 evangelicals. For many of them it was their first trip to the Holy Land. “Even as a Jew,” says Brog, “I can appreciate the excitement in the eyes of my Christian friends as they trace the trajectory of Jesus’s life.”

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Brog’s evangelicals meet Israel’s leaders, like President Shimon Peres, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Brog’s cousin and Israel’s most decorated soldier. “He was one of my heroes even before I knew we were related,” explains the 43-year-old lawyer who looks more like a mid-career Christian Slater than his cousin, the military hero.


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 Mar 16, 2010 at 01:47 PM anonymous Says:

Nobody should be uneasy but wait for rapture

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 02:07 PM Anonymous Says:

John Hagee is an antisemitic madman.. i don't get why we accept his support. Even John Mccain said publicly he didn't want anything to do with him.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 02:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Uneasy for because of what? Nothing will happen and let them wait while they continue to support us. Obama and Clinton want us dead now.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 02:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Where were they during the Shoah?

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 02:43 PM Anonymous Says:

I am not uneasy about their support of israel, they have their reasons and they are making the right choice, if the arabs had control over israel they would only let muslims in, just like they only let muslims into mecca and on the temple mount. Why is it that arabs can walk around freely anywhere in israel but people of other religions cannot go to arab holy sites? Why the double standard? I supported Obama's campaign for president but I will never make that mistake again, he is essentially supporting his muslim brothers even though they are racists and terrorists, I am switching to Republican because Israel's security is my first priority.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 02:52 PM Leah Says:

Should we wait for the economic and political support of the chareidi world?

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 03:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

John Hagee is an antisemitic madman.. i don't get why we accept his support. Even John Mccain said publicly he didn't want anything to do with him.

it depends on how you define anti semite, (if having funnny opinoins why god made the holocoust based on some believe, but still love Jews, and feels bad for them etc is not neccecerely anti semite

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 03:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Where were they during the Shoah?

most evangelicals are in the US - there aren't so many in Europe - most Europeans don't take their religion as seriously as Americans

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 03:22 PM Just Thinking Says:

Mencahem Begin when asked about Christians supporting Israel, said a brilliant thing. "We have so few friends, we can not afford to be choosy".

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 03:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Leah Says:

Should we wait for the economic and political support of the chareidi world?

The chareidi world is the Jewish world. Who is the "we" you are talking about?

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 03:32 PM boroparker Says:

הגמרא מספרת על רבי חנינא בן דוסא שראה יהודים עולים עם בוכורים ולמד מהם ושיפץ אבן להעלות לבניית המקדש

עכ"פ רואים שאפשר לעשות מצווה על פי השראת אחרים ואולי גם מעכו"ם

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 04:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

The chareidi world is the Jewish world. Who is the "we" you are talking about?

How self-centered. There are millions of other yidden - they may not be chareidi but are just as beloved to hashem in their own way. How about some ahavas yisroel. With yidden like you we may need the evangelicals.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 04:41 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

John Hagee is an antisemitic madman.. i don't get why we accept his support. Even John Mccain said publicly he didn't want anything to do with him.

What on earth are you talking about? Hagee is the biggest ohev yisroel out there. And what has McCain got to do with it? Why do you care whether McCain likes the guy or not?

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 04:45 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

it depends on how you define anti semite, (if having funnny opinoins why god made the holocoust based on some believe, but still love Jews, and feels bad for them etc is not neccecerely anti semite

What funny ideas? Every word he has said on the subject has been exactly what *we* say. Umipnei chato'einu golinu me'artzenu. Mipi elyon lo seitzei horo'os vehatov? He quotes nevi'im, and he quotes them *correctly*. So what do you want from him?

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 04:52 PM murray Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

John Hagee is an antisemitic madman.. i don't get why we accept his support. Even John Mccain said publicly he didn't want anything to do with him.

Are you so pathetic and living in some kind of "Bizzarro" world that you can't distinguish "friend" from "enemy",? John Hagee is a Great friend of Israel and Jews all over.Sounds like you never woke up from your stupor and hangover from Purim.
Oh, but wait........you must be correct, and i mistaken, as you have invoked the name of that shineing beacon of virtue and greatness -John mccain.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 05:23 PM this is why i am not a zionist Says:

many of these Xtian Ministers are actively involved in J for J and other such missionary activity to "show Jews the light"... and whatever. I was once in Haifa and J for J and having a parade. This is the product of these Evangelicals.
Also anybody else out there hate when these people talk about "Judeo-Christian" values? Seriously if a Xtian person said that 200 years ago, he would be killed. Now all of a sudden we share the same value system? Judaism shares similar value systems to Islam (yes they took it from us so did Xtianity). That is why Muslim people live along Ave J and have their neighborhood starting from Ave H. Muslims feel more comfortable living along side Jews than Xtians because we truly share the same value system.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 05:48 PM clown Says:

Reply to #13  
Milhouse Says:

What on earth are you talking about? Hagee is the biggest ohev yisroel out there. And what has McCain got to do with it? Why do you care whether McCain likes the guy or not?

You know NOTHING about what Evangelical Xtians believe. They want to convert every Jew to Christianity. We need to be "saved" by accepting Yushke. If not we will be condemned to death when he returns....google it.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 06:35 PM Chaim Eliezer Says:

Who cares if they think we're going to hell because we're not Christian? Most Jews think I'm going to hell because I vote Republican.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 08:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
clown Says:

You know NOTHING about what Evangelical Xtians believe. They want to convert every Jew to Christianity. We need to be "saved" by accepting Yushke. If not we will be condemned to death when he returns....google it.

so you seem to know the real inner intentions of each and every christian ? do u really know anyone out there have u ever spoken to any of them out there... from your box? u making out of them like the antisemites do i.e. that they all conspired as if they all made up intentionally to convert us all lol I personally know and have spoken to more than one evangelist they indentify themselves very much with the torah i.e. the old testiment..in much of a stronger way than the typical christian/catholic out there...

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 08:27 PM Anonymous Says:

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 08:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Uneasy for because of what? Nothing will happen and let them wait while they continue to support us. Obama and Clinton want us dead now.

nothing will happen then, but think about what's happening now. much of their 'support' is in the form of sending missionaries to eretz yisroel to steal precious neshomas from our youth, r'l...

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 09:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Where were they during the Shoah?

that faction didn't exist yet.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 09:52 PM You are right... Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

so you seem to know the real inner intentions of each and every christian ? do u really know anyone out there have u ever spoken to any of them out there... from your box? u making out of them like the antisemites do i.e. that they all conspired as if they all made up intentionally to convert us all lol I personally know and have spoken to more than one evangelist they indentify themselves very much with the torah i.e. the old testiment..in much of a stronger way than the typical christian/catholic out there...

That's the problem. They talk to clueless naive Jews who know very little and cosy up to them and say "hey, we believe in the same thing...." then when you least expect it they throw Jezus into the equation and make it sound like its ok to believe in Jezus. They will even bring Krum baloney proofs from the old Testament proving their views. That's how they hook Jews, Jews for Jezus is run by Evangelical Christians. The crowning achievement of an evangelical Christian is to "convert" a Jew. Do not think they are your/our friends. They most definitely aren't. Its all fake.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 10:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Where were they during the Shoah?

They were fighting in WWII to liberate Europe from Nazi death camps. Learn some history before you go bash other nations.

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 Mar 16, 2010 at 10:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
clown Says:

You know NOTHING about what Evangelical Xtians believe. They want to convert every Jew to Christianity. We need to be "saved" by accepting Yushke. If not we will be condemned to death when he returns....google it.

So what??!! And most frum people believe that goyim will be their servants, hanging on their tzitzis when moshiach comes. Religions can be entertaining on all sides.

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 12:11 AM Its not funny Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

So what??!! And most frum people believe that goyim will be their servants, hanging on their tzitzis when moshiach comes. Religions can be entertaining on all sides.

Well if you are Jewish you believe what our holy sefarim say and I do believe it is mentioned that when Moshiach comes non Jews will want to be our slaves. They will come willingly. Either way Evangelical Christians are a cancer. They hook unaffiliated Jews on college campuses all across the country. They cause irreperable damage to our brethren who come from irreligious backgrounds. They have missionaries everywhere.
To learn more google Rabbi Tovia Singer.

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 09:39 AM PMO Says:

Reply to #14  
Milhouse Says:

What funny ideas? Every word he has said on the subject has been exactly what *we* say. Umipnei chato'einu golinu me'artzenu. Mipi elyon lo seitzei horo'os vehatov? He quotes nevi'im, and he quotes them *correctly*. So what do you want from him?

Milhouse, we've all known you long enough to know you can't be this naive.

Most evangelical groups are Baptist. It is part of the mission of *ALL* Baptist denominations to get Yidden to bow down to their phony messiah. Make no mistake about it. Every time we lend legitimacy to these Baptist evangelical groups we are emboldening them to destroy more Jewish lives. J4J is funded by these same people. Come to the South once in a while and realize what people like this are doing. From one side of their mouth they claim to just love Jews and Israel... while behind your back they are spending millions of dollars ambushing naive students on our college campuses in central and north FL.... and they are, sadly,doing their job all too well.

Just go to Orlando and see "The Holy Land Experience". It looks Jewish... until you pay $50 and get inside.

These groups have an interest in keeping Jews in power in Israel because they WANT their great war between Jews & Muslims to happen so their phony messiah will come. To think it is for any other reason is naive.

Evangelical xians have ONE goal... to get as many Jews to bow down in church as possible. Friends like that we can do without!

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM AirGunner Says:

Reply to #27  
PMO Says:

Milhouse, we've all known you long enough to know you can't be this naive.

Most evangelical groups are Baptist. It is part of the mission of *ALL* Baptist denominations to get Yidden to bow down to their phony messiah. Make no mistake about it. Every time we lend legitimacy to these Baptist evangelical groups we are emboldening them to destroy more Jewish lives. J4J is funded by these same people. Come to the South once in a while and realize what people like this are doing. From one side of their mouth they claim to just love Jews and Israel... while behind your back they are spending millions of dollars ambushing naive students on our college campuses in central and north FL.... and they are, sadly,doing their job all too well.

Just go to Orlando and see "The Holy Land Experience". It looks Jewish... until you pay $50 and get inside.

These groups have an interest in keeping Jews in power in Israel because they WANT their great war between Jews & Muslims to happen so their phony messiah will come. To think it is for any other reason is naive.

Evangelical xians have ONE goal... to get as many Jews to bow down in church as possible. Friends like that we can do without!

Kol Tov, you have "hit the nail on the head", as a fellow Yid in the South, I too see the true colors of all their "love" of Israel. Alot of people do not realize that the vast majority of x-tian support of Israel has strings attached i.e. unfettered access for their missionary activities in EY. Additionally, the evangelicals are using the power of their monetary donations to gain political clout in EY to ease resistance to their activites. When Yidden who care about the well being of Klal Yisrael protest or attempt to call out the ulterior motives of these groups, they cry "religous discrimination" or "you should be grateful of our support" and try to make us, their intended victims, look like the bad guy. Millions of dollars are being spent by evangelicals to convert our vulnerable who lack adequate finaces to support themselves through "charity/aid" schemes or subtle missionary activites to less educated Yidden. We Yidden need to do a better job of taking care of and educating our own, so our people won't have rely on the support of "well meaning" evangelicals finacial or otherwise.

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 10:41 AM PMO Says:

Reply to #28  
AirGunner Says:

Kol Tov, you have "hit the nail on the head", as a fellow Yid in the South, I too see the true colors of all their "love" of Israel. Alot of people do not realize that the vast majority of x-tian support of Israel has strings attached i.e. unfettered access for their missionary activities in EY. Additionally, the evangelicals are using the power of their monetary donations to gain political clout in EY to ease resistance to their activites. When Yidden who care about the well being of Klal Yisrael protest or attempt to call out the ulterior motives of these groups, they cry "religous discrimination" or "you should be grateful of our support" and try to make us, their intended victims, look like the bad guy. Millions of dollars are being spent by evangelicals to convert our vulnerable who lack adequate finaces to support themselves through "charity/aid" schemes or subtle missionary activites to less educated Yidden. We Yidden need to do a better job of taking care of and educating our own, so our people won't have rely on the support of "well meaning" evangelicals finacial or otherwise.

I grew up in NY where most xians are of the "cafeteria" type. They tend to be very liberal... even the Catholics. I say that because I think people in NY/NJ don't really understand the nature of the enemy we really do have in evangelical America. People living in the northeast don't see much of this because they are rarely the target. These groups know that they will be easily outnumbered on the college campuses so they don't really try. Here in the south, it is a whole different ballgame. There are exponentially more of them than there are of us, and sadly they put their strongest efforts in cities where young, impressionable yidden are the most vulnerable, with little-to-no support from a Jewish community.

I'm not saying all xians are bad either. However, these evangelical Baptist and Methodist groups are bent on getting to young Jewish adults and they are VERY good at it.

When I watch certain news programs and see them go on and on about their support of Jews and Israel it honestly puts a knot in my stomach knowing that there are yidden out there who really believe them, because they foolishly trust the host of the "infotainment" program they're watching. It is scar

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 11:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
You are right... Says:

That's the problem. They talk to clueless naive Jews who know very little and cosy up to them and say "hey, we believe in the same thing...." then when you least expect it they throw Jezus into the equation and make it sound like its ok to believe in Jezus. They will even bring Krum baloney proofs from the old Testament proving their views. That's how they hook Jews, Jews for Jezus is run by Evangelical Christians. The crowning achievement of an evangelical Christian is to "convert" a Jew. Do not think they are your/our friends. They most definitely aren't. Its all fake.

# 19 replies - You and others are missing the entire point ; of course they believe, and want you to believe as well... there is no doubt about that as every christian or muslim etc. as well wants u to accept thier religion... u have to be naiive to think otherwise the point is... leaving that aside ...if u understand thier perspective and basis of their religion is that the torah and its prophesies i.e (old test.) the bible is very much relevent and eternal (Note unlike the catholic church) ...and in any case jews are the chosen (and still are)ones and whatever mentioned is g-d's eternal word. therefore as it states Israel as our promised land Thus is very much ours by every right, there is no room for doubt..and saying or doing otherwise is like going against Hashems will! and is to be taken simple..with no if's or but's etc...Now the fact that some have an agenda in addition does not undermine the above beliefe which they follow regardless of our acceptance we are still the 'chosen ones' and are the children of g-d...which ofcourse in the same matter is (and goes hand-by-hand)is more compelling for them to show us thier falsely so-called "light" (sic)which they seriously think as doing g-d some favor more than just any other convert mission(basically its as our perspective on creating BT's)

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 11:29 AM anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Just Thinking Says:

Mencahem Begin when asked about Christians supporting Israel, said a brilliant thing. "We have so few friends, we can not afford to be choosy".

Begin was the finest of the finest but the future envisoned by the chrisitan fundamentalists including a female governnor is not what I hold dear , it is rapture . I prefer the founding father type or rather generic christians

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 11:38 AM Allan Says:

To #'s 28 and 29.. First off I agree with both of you about our false friends. Wouldn't it be something if their Jewish messiah comes back some day and tells all the goyim "fooled you didn't I"

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 11:47 AM anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Milhouse Says:

What on earth are you talking about? Hagee is the biggest ohev yisroel out there. And what has McCain got to do with it? Why do you care whether McCain likes the guy or not?

He envisons a future you may like but I don't and chas v'sholem klal yisroel should not have . Maybe you expect yourself and your children to be engulfed by rapture. Your vision is blinded by the dislikes for liberal or anybody else not of your political stripe

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 Mar 17, 2010 at 06:21 PM Anonymous Says:

They are supporting the state of Israel because they believe it will bring about their messiah yoshka. This should be further proof that Zionism is heresy that the State of Israel's most enegetic supporters are the same people calling for the conversion of Jewish people to Christianity Chas vshalom

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 Mar 18, 2010 at 01:16 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #17  
clown Says:

You know NOTHING about what Evangelical Xtians believe. They want to convert every Jew to Christianity. We need to be "saved" by accepting Yushke. If not we will be condemned to death when he returns....google it.

Of course they want the whole world to accept the truth as they see it. So do we! How could someone believe they have the truth and NOT want the whole world to have it too? Their bible tells them that the only way to be saved from hellfire is through their god, so if they love us it stands to reason that they would try to "save" us. How does that make them antisemites or enemies of ours? On the contrary, the antisemites are those who would gladly see us burn.

The fact remains that they are genuine ohavei yisroel. They love us not for some ulterior reason, but simply because the Torah says "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you". And we owe it to them to acknowledge that sincere love, and not accuse them of bad faith.

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 Mar 18, 2010 at 01:22 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

nothing will happen then, but think about what's happening now. much of their 'support' is in the form of sending missionaries to eretz yisroel to steal precious neshomas from our youth, r'l...

Very little of their support is in that form. That amount which is, we must resist, and we must refuse it as politely as we can but as firmly as necessary. We should regard it much as we do the non-frum great-aunt who loves us dearly, and keeps trying to sneak treife candy to our kids. Or who keeps trying to sell us on homeopathy or some similar mishugaas.

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 Mar 18, 2010 at 01:24 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #27  
PMO Says:

Milhouse, we've all known you long enough to know you can't be this naive.

Most evangelical groups are Baptist. It is part of the mission of *ALL* Baptist denominations to get Yidden to bow down to their phony messiah. Make no mistake about it. Every time we lend legitimacy to these Baptist evangelical groups we are emboldening them to destroy more Jewish lives. J4J is funded by these same people. Come to the South once in a while and realize what people like this are doing. From one side of their mouth they claim to just love Jews and Israel... while behind your back they are spending millions of dollars ambushing naive students on our college campuses in central and north FL.... and they are, sadly,doing their job all too well.

Just go to Orlando and see "The Holy Land Experience". It looks Jewish... until you pay $50 and get inside.

These groups have an interest in keeping Jews in power in Israel because they WANT their great war between Jews & Muslims to happen so their phony messiah will come. To think it is for any other reason is naive.

Evangelical xians have ONE goal... to get as many Jews to bow down in church as possible. Friends like that we can do without!

Stop twisting and squirming, and dragging in irrelevancies. The question is, "is John Hagee an antisemite"? And the answer is "no, he is a genuine philosemite". That is all.

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