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New Square, NY - Fire chief: Locked Doors Trapped Yeshiva Students During Blaze

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New Square, NY -  Firefighters had to knock down a locked door in order to evacuate teenage boys from a fire in a yeshiva Thursday after the students living in the dormitory were unable to get out because several exits had been padlocked, said Kim Weppler, chief of the Hillcrest Fire Company.

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The Washington Avenue fire, which Weppler characterized as “mischievous,” occurred on the second floor of the boys’ dormitory at the Yeshiva Avir Yakov school. It appeared to have started in a garbage can shortly after 2 p.m. and then spread throughout the hallway.

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 07:06 PM Sheker V'Chuzov Says:

I was there befor the fire department arrived on scene. The dorm where the blaze was, was completely evacuated and the doors wide open. The rest of the building was locked for Yom Tov and nobody was in there and that's where the fire department broke in! The whole story about boys being trapped is a total lie!

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 08:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Does anyone learn about the Triangle Shirwaist Factory fire anymore or read newspapers? Locked exits were part of the problem, the same as in the Rhode Island nightclub tragedy a few years ago.

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 08:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Sheker V'Chuzov Says:

I was there befor the fire department arrived on scene. The dorm where the blaze was, was completely evacuated and the doors wide open. The rest of the building was locked for Yom Tov and nobody was in there and that's where the fire department broke in! The whole story about boys being trapped is a total lie!

Why would the emergency responders "lie" about the emergency doors being padlocked. I would much rather believe a fireman than some anoymous poster calling himself "Sheker".

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 08:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Sheker V'Chuzov Says:

I was there befor the fire department arrived on scene. The dorm where the blaze was, was completely evacuated and the doors wide open. The rest of the building was locked for Yom Tov and nobody was in there and that's where the fire department broke in! The whole story about boys being trapped is a total lie!

if you where there,
you saw the danger of blocking fire exits and putting so much people in danger,
if you where there,
you saw that it is irresponsible to leave only one door for so many to escape at time of danger
if you where there,
you saw all the other doors locked making impossible for rescue to get in
if you where there,
you saw the people who opened all the other locked doors
if you where there,
and you still claim it is one big lie
than you are still stuck in the new square box unable to get out!

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 09:15 PM Reply to 3 & 4 Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

if you where there,
you saw the danger of blocking fire exits and putting so much people in danger,
if you where there,
you saw that it is irresponsible to leave only one door for so many to escape at time of danger
if you where there,
you saw all the other doors locked making impossible for rescue to get in
if you where there,
you saw the people who opened all the other locked doors
if you where there,
and you still claim it is one big lie
than you are still stuck in the new square box unable to get out!

Yes I was there and Yes I did see the building was locked, BUT take another look at my post #1 that the lie was about boys being trapped. I can repeat: the dorm was wide open and the rest of the building was locked and vacent! (by the way, there was only 5-10 boys in the dorm since a lot went home for Yom Tov & the number he gave is the number of boys registered during the year...)

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 09:19 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

if you where there,
you saw the danger of blocking fire exits and putting so much people in danger,
if you where there,
you saw that it is irresponsible to leave only one door for so many to escape at time of danger
if you where there,
you saw all the other doors locked making impossible for rescue to get in
if you where there,
you saw the people who opened all the other locked doors
if you where there,
and you still claim it is one big lie
than you are still stuck in the new square box unable to get out!

Are you illiterate? He says he was there, and saw that there was NO danger, and NO irresponsibility. You were not there; so why don't you believe him?

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 09:23 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Why would the emergency responders "lie" about the emergency doors being padlocked. I would much rather believe a fireman than some anoymous poster calling himself "Sheker".

He didn't say there were no padlocked doors. Of course there were, because that section of the building was closed for yomtov. As for why the fire company would lie, there's a long-standing dispute between them and New Square, which has been reported on here before; so if they have a chance to make the village look bad, why wouldn't they take it?

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:

#4, WERE is how you spell "were".

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 10:19 PM Anonymous Says:

For the past few months they lock the building down every night with none working fire alarms, while over 70 teens between the age of 16 and 20 sleeping in the dormitory, it's a tragedy waiting to happen! They are lucky it was in middle of the day during the Passover break. Those responsible for locking the building should be arrested for endangering people's life.

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 10:54 PM Anonymous Says:

To all negative posters. If you would pay attention to the time of the year you would understand it's Pesach now and all Yeshivas and dorms are closed for Yom Tov which makes poster number 1 right for what he says. Unless you're not livid then I ain't help ya.

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 11:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

#4, WERE is how you spell "were".

It's funny how kept repeating the "graz" just in case anyone missed it the first 7 times.

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 11:31 PM Anonymous Says:

You don't know what you're talking about. I personally talked to someone who was locked in his room, (Washington side) when the fire was burning on the other side of the dormitory. he told me, "I was in my room, getting myself ready for a afternoon nap, when I smelled something burning. I opened the door and the haul was full of smoke. I couldn't see what is burning because of the heavy and thick smoke. I knew that the 2'th door is locked, so closed my door and opened the window." you may argue with me, but how can you argue with the fire chief?

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 11:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Reply to 3 & 4 Says:

Yes I was there and Yes I did see the building was locked, BUT take another look at my post #1 that the lie was about boys being trapped. I can repeat: the dorm was wide open and the rest of the building was locked and vacent! (by the way, there was only 5-10 boys in the dorm since a lot went home for Yom Tov & the number he gave is the number of boys registered during the year...)

What is your definition of being trapped? If your one exit is locked (and all the other doors in the building as well) and your only escape route is blocked by flames and smoke is not called trapped than I guess your mind is still trapped!
And since when are only 5-10 people not worth to have an open exit in case of emergency? Get out of the new square box!

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:05 AM Anonymous Says:

What I fail to understand in this whole story is why is a dormitory allowed to remain servicing young students without a 6 monthly check up by the fire department??? In europe ALL dormitories are inspected regularly by fire officials and all exits tested in order to receive a certificate saying they are within their fire regulations.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

To all negative posters. If you would pay attention to the time of the year you would understand it's Pesach now and all Yeshivas and dorms are closed for Yom Tov which makes poster number 1 right for what he says. Unless you're not livid then I ain't help ya.

I’m not here to argue with you, everybody who was ‘really’ there knows, bucherim were in the dormitory at the time of the fire, but even if you say were true, nobody was there at the time. What gives people(?) in charged of locking the building down every night, the right to do it when bucherim your own people sleep every night in a dorm with just one exit to leave the building in case of an emergency. We all know why they are doing it; the religious leaders have a problem to admit on the existing of the elderly bucherim in new square, but why endanger the lives of 70-80 people.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 01:03 AM love all yidden Says:

Maybe this isn't the correct forum for my comment however its seems everytime there is a story on VIN about some chasidish community all the haters come out, as we start the counting of sefirah we may want to remind ourselves of the 24000 talmidim of rabbi akiva who died due to sinas chinam, we muct remember hashem hears seas and knows the TRUTH about our feelings and when its a true case of concern for the rabim or outright sinas chinam and there is no discrimination between chasidim litvaks modern orthodox etc. Have a wonderful yom tov

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 01:49 AM good for them Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

To all negative posters. If you would pay attention to the time of the year you would understand it's Pesach now and all Yeshivas and dorms are closed for Yom Tov which makes poster number 1 right for what he says. Unless you're not livid then I ain't help ya.

That this fire happened during Yom tov because the dorm is locked every night evan when all the boys are there

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 05:35 AM New Square Protest Says:

since the Protest in New Sqaure when the whole world was paying attention closly 7 was in all media LoHud & Channel 12 etc they Lock down the Yeshiva evry day & that causes emergencys were boys were Trapped in a FIRE! it could have been a Tragic R"L when will New Square learn that the boys lifes is more important then closing the building , why r the boys in danger??? why are they so SQAURE MINDED...?

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 03:27 PM Clinton Ave. Monsey Says:

The doors are padlocked every night when the bucherim are sleeping. We parents have complained over and over and nothing will ever change.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 04:27 PM Anonymous Says:

I can't say what happened in this case, but many years working inyeshiva buildings qualify me to say there is a major security problem. buildings are open 12 to 24 hours a day. emergency exits are frequently compromised because "I was in a rush" (and too lazy to make sure the door closed behind me). I could not guess how many incidents we had because we tried to do the right thing. I don't know the answer, but there are always two sides to every story; maybe three or four. many times criminals got into a building because a door locked from the inside with a UL listed panic bar, intended only for emergency exit, was opened for the wrong reason. (e.g. shortcut to the bus, store, etc) no yeshiva can have enough security, maintenance or volunteers to help long term. so of course sometimes they just lock up. unfortunately talmidim, parents, hanhallah won't care until chalilah, they are awakened the wrong way.

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 Apr 03, 2010 at 09:35 PM Reserve Ramapo Says:

Too all defending the fire chief kim weppler, We all know he's part of Preserve Ramapo he obviously has an agenda against new square he was one of 80 people protesting new square's slaughter house (even though he live's quite a
distance away from the village) its also not a co incident that he was hired by the jew hating village of airmont to be their building inspector, I'm not here to take sides in this particular story all I'm saying is anything that come's out of this jew hating german chief first find out the real facts.

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 Apr 04, 2010 at 11:51 AM JoBlow Says:

Its time for new square to have their own FD just like KJ

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 Apr 06, 2010 at 10:44 AM Fed Up Says:

So let me get this straight. The frumbags at New Square, who have a long history of ignoring fire codes and other zoning ordinances, cry "anti-Semitism" because there was a fire in a yeshiva, the exit doors were padlocked, and only a miracle saved these kids trapped inside. And of course, the fire chief, who has a Germanic last name, is automatically a Nazi.

I say bring charges against those criminals who padlocked the fire doors. Let them all spend the next 20 years in prison where the doors ARE locked, ALL the time. And let the apologists on this site who cry "anti-Semitism" be their cellmates.

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