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Lakewood, NJ - The sight at the end of a loose-dirt path off Vermont Avenue has done little but alarm some who have come across it. There, in the trees, a large hole has been dug from which thousands of black trash bags overflow.

“I was like, this can’t be legal,” said Scott Wegeman, whose backyard on Albert Avenue is directly behind the burial site. “You can’t just treat your property like a landfill.”

While perhaps temporarily unsightly (the hole was to be covered by the end of the week), the decades-old tradition is religiously unavoidable, Orthodox leaders contend. That is because the bags’ contents are what strictly observant Jews in Lakewood cannot burn or toss into trash cans: Hebrew text, Torah scripture, sacred garb — no longer usable but still holy.

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So it is buried, most every year, in backyards, with coffins, under foundations and in open lots — anywhere a patch of earth can be found. The practice usually coincides with Passover, since that is when Orthodox families do their spring cleaning.

This year, in an attempt to organize and facilitate the custom, a local rabbi secured a 100-by-150-foot piece of undeveloped land donated by an individual and had it deed-restricted so nothing can be built there. This week, he dispatched youth under his supervision to collect the items from Orthodox households, bring them to the site in rented trucks and place them into the 40-by-60-foot pit.

“It doesn’t hurt anyone and it’s a holy thing,” said the rabbi, Chaim Abadi, who got a site plan approved by the township zoning office.

But for those people unfamiliar with the tradition, such a scene might scream unlawful dumping. Complaints were made with police, the Ocean County health department and the state Department of Environmental Protection. Even some officials, such as Committeeman Raymond Coles, were unaware of the practice.

On Thursday, Police Chief Robert Lawson sent an e-mail to township officials explaining it to them.

“Based on those calls we did refer this to the county and the DEP,” Lawson said, despite having become familiar with the routine after so many years. “They did come down and we discussed it and found that nothing was done that was illegal or inappropriate.”
DEP officials tell a different story.

“They do not have a permit,” department spokesman Larry Hajna said. “We are investigating unpermitted activity.”

Later Thursday afternoon, Abadi confirmed he was issued a violation notice from the DEP for the site. But details about the violation were not available Thursday evening.

Officials for New Jersey American Water, a company that provides drinking water for the township and has a well that sits about 300 feet from the site, said they were not going to react until a ruling is made.

“We’re going to wait for the (DEP’s) determination to decide whether this is something we need to be concerned about,” company spokesman Richard Barnes said prior to news of a violation.

Rabbi calls a halt
Yet religious leaders stress their intention is to benefit the community by isolating the practice to one place deep in the woods, rather than burying in piecemeal fashion. Abadi said he hopes to reuse the site in future years.
Longstanding but largely unnoticed, the practice used to occur mostly in cemeteries. It is considered an honor to be buried with sacred texts, Rabbi Moshe Zev Weisberg said. But as Orthodox populations exploded, more and larger spaces were required.

Sites have been dug in the mountains in North Jersey, in Jackson off Frank Applegate Road, and in Lakewood off East 7th Street. Private companies have sprung up to haul the items away for small fees. But not until now has it become a public controversy.

Abadi said, based on complaints and the DEP violation, no more bags will be unloaded off Vermont Avenue.

“People have gotten a little crazy about it,” he said.


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 Apr 01, 2010 at 11:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Ninty percent of the stuff they bury are not pages from seforim but junk mail, flyers sent around to the shuls eruv shabbos etc. The rabbonim and administrators are too lazy to sort out the real ahamos and instead just dump it all creating a bigger chillul hashem than simply sending it to the county landfill or incinerator.

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 11:50 PM Anonymous Says:

"I was like, this can't be legal," said Scott Wegeman, whose backyard on Albert Avenue is directly behind the burial site. "You can't just treat your property like a landfill."

Why not, it's my property?

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 Apr 01, 2010 at 11:56 PM professor Says:

These complaints are just anti-orthodox stupidity. Regulations should not be able to restrict this kind of victimless activity.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

"I was like, this can't be legal," said Scott Wegeman, whose backyard on Albert Avenue is directly behind the burial site. "You can't just treat your property like a landfill."

Why not, it's my property?

If he decided to bury a dog or cat or human being there is it ok? Its victimless? isn't it? The answer is there has to be some kind of law and order even if it is your property. Even if you dump regular garbage on your property you can get a ticket. and rightfully so. I am a yeshiva yungerman (but I think one with saichel).
Not everything has to be pegged as anti semetic, Nazis, Gestapo agents, Musillinis etc. Calm down and don't be an ober chochom and bury the shaimos like it always was buried. Not in middle of a shtetel.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:17 AM professor Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Ninty percent of the stuff they bury are not pages from seforim but junk mail, flyers sent around to the shuls eruv shabbos etc. The rabbonim and administrators are too lazy to sort out the real ahamos and instead just dump it all creating a bigger chillul hashem than simply sending it to the county landfill or incinerator.

I suppose you know a bunch of yirei shamayim that have the necessary hours of man power to volunteer for this time consuming project!?

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:37 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Ninty percent of the stuff they bury are not pages from seforim but junk mail, flyers sent around to the shuls eruv shabbos etc. The rabbonim and administrators are too lazy to sort out the real ahamos and instead just dump it all creating a bigger chillul hashem than simply sending it to the county landfill or incinerator.

What chilul hashem are you talking about? Just because some paranoid goyim got upset, suddenly there's a chilul hashem?! You clearly have no idea what the term means. It does NOT mean "upsetting goyim".

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:40 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

If he decided to bury a dog or cat or human being there is it ok? Its victimless? isn't it? The answer is there has to be some kind of law and order even if it is your property. Even if you dump regular garbage on your property you can get a ticket. and rightfully so. I am a yeshiva yungerman (but I think one with saichel).
Not everything has to be pegged as anti semetic, Nazis, Gestapo agents, Musillinis etc. Calm down and don't be an ober chochom and bury the shaimos like it always was buried. Not in middle of a shtetel.

You can certainly bury a dog or a cat on your property! Everyone does it all the time. What makes you think you can't?

There is no law against burying books; there is no basis for such a law; therefore there was nothing wrong with this, and the alleged DEP "violation" will certainly be thrown out for lack of basis.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:51 AM Kim Says:

Interesting that this is the first year that there is a hechsher that the stuff actually gets buried we discover that it's not so simple... I wonder

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:54 AM KA SHAIMOS Says:

everything is under control just a few bored ppl with nothing better to do with their lives so they are just trying to make problems

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 02:15 AM Anonymous Says:

"The practice usually coincides with Passover, since that is when Orthodox families do their spring cleaning. ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And what on earth does shaimos have to do with Passover? NOTHING!

This business of throwing what you think is junk and giving it to the local truck at the nearest syangogue is pure stupidity and nowhere in halacha does it state you should do this behavior.

The people that do this are the same people that do spring cleaning in the name of cleaning for passover.

This religion has become warped by many and judiasm was supposed to be a religion but has become a lucrative business.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 05:56 AM Anonymous Says:

The Seforim themselves are probably biodegradable, so they shouldn't cause any environmental hazard. The plastic bags they're in are more of an issue - they last pretty much forever, and are dangerous for wildlife.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 07:06 AM Meanachem Says:

Reply to #7  
Milhouse Says:

You can certainly bury a dog or a cat on your property! Everyone does it all the time. What makes you think you can't?

There is no law against burying books; there is no basis for such a law; therefore there was nothing wrong with this, and the alleged DEP "violation" will certainly be thrown out for lack of basis.

Just because you think "people do it all the time" doesn't make it legal. It's certainly NOT legal to bury toxic chemicals on your property for example. Does anyone here no for sure that it's legal to bury hundreds of plastic bags? Did the neighbor know what was in the bags?

Regardless, the reactions here are just another case of frum arrogance. Many Frum people think they have a "right" to do anything in the name of religion. We need to be more sensitive to those around us, yes even "Goyim", especially Goyim.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 07:10 AM Shlomo Says:

Reply to #7  
Milhouse Says:

You can certainly bury a dog or a cat on your property! Everyone does it all the time. What makes you think you can't?

There is no law against burying books; there is no basis for such a law; therefore there was nothing wrong with this, and the alleged DEP "violation" will certainly be thrown out for lack of basis.

The complaint seems to have been generated by people who saw mounds of garbage bags. Illegal dumping of hazardous materials is a real problem (especially in NJ). While there may not be a specific "law against burying books" there is almost certainly a law against creating an unlicensed waste site. An individual who buries the family pet in the back yard or who buries an old sefer is creating neither a public health risk nor a new waste site. Converting an empty lot into a burial ground for shaimos? Certainly seems to appear to be an unlicensed waste site.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 08:19 AM Anonymous Says:

is it me or does thie sound wierd: people are becoming over-zelous about shaimos?

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 08:20 AM Expatriate Owl Says:

What is so unusual about burying wastes in New Jersey? Isn't that the main purpose for the existence of New Jersey in the first place?

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 08:29 AM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #13  
Meanachem Says:

Just because you think "people do it all the time" doesn't make it legal. It's certainly NOT legal to bury toxic chemicals on your property for example. Does anyone here no for sure that it's legal to bury hundreds of plastic bags? Did the neighbor know what was in the bags?

Regardless, the reactions here are just another case of frum arrogance. Many Frum people think they have a "right" to do anything in the name of religion. We need to be more sensitive to those around us, yes even "Goyim", especially Goyim.

I read your post a # of times and something tells me that you are one of those that like to jump on frum yidden and the way frum yidden do things whenever the opportunity presents itself. Maybe its just a way for you to justify your way of life. How sad.....

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 08:42 AM jack Says:

Reply to #13  
Meanachem Says:

Just because you think "people do it all the time" doesn't make it legal. It's certainly NOT legal to bury toxic chemicals on your property for example. Does anyone here no for sure that it's legal to bury hundreds of plastic bags? Did the neighbor know what was in the bags?

Regardless, the reactions here are just another case of frum arrogance. Many Frum people think they have a "right" to do anything in the name of religion. We need to be more sensitive to those around us, yes even "Goyim", especially Goyim.

Not sure about NJ but in NY you could bury up to 2 humans in your backyard and don't need a permit to do that

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 08:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Milhouse Says:

You can certainly bury a dog or a cat on your property! Everyone does it all the time. What makes you think you can't?

There is no law against burying books; there is no basis for such a law; therefore there was nothing wrong with this, and the alleged DEP "violation" will certainly be thrown out for lack of basis.

Actually My Friend, most municipalities have laws against burying animals in your back yard. Do people do it? Yes. Is it legal? probably not.

The problem with burying shaimos is that most people will view this like burying trash. Which as you know you can not do without a permit. Thus the problem.

The question I have for the organizers of this project is that are they prepared to protect this land from development. The materials buried will take decades to degrade especially if they are buried in plastic bags.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 09:11 AM Anonymous Says:

If you are burying paper product that's one thing...to not spend the time and get rid of the plastic bags...that's not a chillul Hashem

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 09:43 AM Naftalcik Says:

Not only do you pay them money to haul away your shaimos, but they then re-sell anything of value making a double profit off of you! There is an element of scam involved because they give you the impression that your fee is to cover the cost of the burial, but then they sell anything of value without telling you. Does that make anyone else uncomfortable?

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 10:19 AM Shaya dov Says:

Nice when Jews from lake wood masser on other Jews

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 10:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Ninty percent of the stuff they bury are not pages from seforim but junk mail, flyers sent around to the shuls eruv shabbos etc. The rabbonim and administrators are too lazy to sort out the real ahamos and instead just dump it all creating a bigger chillul hashem than simply sending it to the county landfill or incinerator.

Sort your own shaimos, man, or volunteer.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

If you are burying paper product that's one thing...to not spend the time and get rid of the plastic bags...that's not a chillul Hashem

Read the article. "had it deed-restricted so nothing can be built there".

Does that answer your question?

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 11:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
professor Says:

These complaints are just anti-orthodox stupidity. Regulations should not be able to restrict this kind of victimless activity.

Why isnt anyone discussing the fact that in the first paragraph the rabbi said he had all the permists, and then when the DEP said he was lying he put a halt to everything. So, he is a big liar and no one has a problem with that part, right?

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 11:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
jack Says:

Not sure about NJ but in NY you could bury up to 2 humans in your backyard and don't need a permit to do that

"You could bury up to two people"

Do they have to be dead already?

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 11:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Why can't a handful of shaimos be burried with each funeral? What an aliyah for the nifter that would be. Oh, but no quick profits for the dumpers. Hmmm.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 11:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Naftalcik Says:

Not only do you pay them money to haul away your shaimos, but they then re-sell anything of value making a double profit off of you! There is an element of scam involved because they give you the impression that your fee is to cover the cost of the burial, but then they sell anything of value without telling you. Does that make anyone else uncomfortable?

you are out of your mind! and the city who uses waste to generate electricity - more power to them!

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Re; to # 11. I consider you ,one of them .

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Re; to # 26. Speak for yourself .

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 12:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

Why isnt anyone discussing the fact that in the first paragraph the rabbi said he had all the permists, and then when the DEP said he was lying he put a halt to everything. So, he is a big liar and no one has a problem with that part, right?

Because you are LYING, there is NO such comment. It says they recived approval from zoning. Apparently, DEP now wants to claim "baalus".
It appears everything here was done fully with the intention of beong fully compliant. They got zoning approval, that got the deed for the property. Suddenly DEP pops up, so they called a halt until they got that squared away.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 01:25 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

Why isnt anyone discussing the fact that in the first paragraph the rabbi said he had all the permists, and then when the DEP said he was lying he put a halt to everything. So, he is a big liar and no one has a problem with that part, right?

He DID have all the necessary permits. He had no need for a DEP permit, so why would he get one? There is no law against burying paper, in any quantity. It's not the DEP's business.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 01:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

Why isnt anyone discussing the fact that in the first paragraph the rabbi said he had all the permists, and then when the DEP said he was lying he put a halt to everything. So, he is a big liar and no one has a problem with that part, right?

The part i have a problem is that you believe the DEP over the rabbi

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 01:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

Because you are LYING, there is NO such comment. It says they recived approval from zoning. Apparently, DEP now wants to claim "baalus".
It appears everything here was done fully with the intention of beong fully compliant. They got zoning approval, that got the deed for the property. Suddenly DEP pops up, so they called a halt until they got that squared away.

" fully with the intention of beong fully compliant" Wow, same education as the rabbi in the story, I guess. You are compliant, or you ARENT, intention is worthless. It says, and I will quote the story you are obviously not smart enough to read with out a guide:
"...Later Thursday afternoon, Abadi confirmed he was issued a violation notice from the DEP for the site. But details about the violation were not available Thursday evening." So, he recieved a violation for what? Let me quess, becuase he is Jewish, right? So then why not fight it? Instead, he, and I quote "Rabbi calls a halt" OH, and lets not forget the BEST quote of all ""They do not have a permit," department spokesman Larry Hajna said".....so the spokesman must me an anti-smite, too, right, becuase he is LYING as well. I will be waiting for your apology with baited breath.......

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 01:55 PM OldLakewooder Says:

Typical Lakewood mind set. "We can do anything we want and the heck with everyone else" But even "holy" Lakewood is part of this Galus and whenever Yidden forget that we receive unpleasant reminders. Wake up Lakewood and act with in humility and deeach eretz. These residents you ignore and vilify will one day hurt your causes because you trashed them. Ocean County is not Lakewood Township and you have zero clout at Ocean County. Wake up and build friendships with everyone.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 02:06 PM Anonymous Says:

It's pretty funny. Yidden bury shaimos in the woods. The mafia bury their enemies. No DEP fines for the mafia though !!! Bury the shimos at night !!!

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 03:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

" fully with the intention of beong fully compliant" Wow, same education as the rabbi in the story, I guess. You are compliant, or you ARENT, intention is worthless. It says, and I will quote the story you are obviously not smart enough to read with out a guide:
"...Later Thursday afternoon, Abadi confirmed he was issued a violation notice from the DEP for the site. But details about the violation were not available Thursday evening." So, he recieved a violation for what? Let me quess, becuase he is Jewish, right? So then why not fight it? Instead, he, and I quote "Rabbi calls a halt" OH, and lets not forget the BEST quote of all ""They do not have a permit," department spokesman Larry Hajna said".....so the spokesman must me an anti-smite, too, right, becuase he is LYING as well. I will be waiting for your apology with baited breath.......

I hope you enjoy your "baited breath" (sic) I have no intentions of apologizing. You lied and I called you on it.
(BTW there is no such thing as "baited breath)
and I still say you are a liar. You made a claim that R Abadi lied based on what you alleged he was wouted as saying in the first paragraph. There was nothing there.
And the rest of you blather is just that, senseless blather that cannot even be read because it makes no sense. It does not prove your point, rather proves my point, that the DEP decided to make an issue after some fools such as you might be, complianed about a nothing.
I never claimed in my that there was any anti semitism, however I will say that you are a living chillul hashem. Such sinas chinom, and I amphasize chinom that you have for a yid who does musch good and does so by following the rules. He got zoning approval, don't you think they would have insisted on a permit if it was really required before giving him approval? Apparently, even the government agency did not see a need for the permit.
Again, I hope you do not hurt yourself with your baited (sic) breath.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 03:41 PM cool masmid Says:

Reply to #35  
OldLakewooder Says:

Typical Lakewood mind set. "We can do anything we want and the heck with everyone else" But even "holy" Lakewood is part of this Galus and whenever Yidden forget that we receive unpleasant reminders. Wake up Lakewood and act with in humility and deeach eretz. These residents you ignore and vilify will one day hurt your causes because you trashed them. Ocean County is not Lakewood Township and you have zero clout at Ocean County. Wake up and build friendships with everyone.

I guess its very easy to figure out why you are an 'oldlakewooder' - you were either thrown out of town , or you were just one of those guys that were bitter and jealous of the ones that 'made it' and so you left town. Either way its sad to see that you are still bitter. Get help because you need uit.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 04:09 PM A yid in golus Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Ninty percent of the stuff they bury are not pages from seforim but junk mail, flyers sent around to the shuls eruv shabbos etc. The rabbonim and administrators are too lazy to sort out the real ahamos and instead just dump it all creating a bigger chillul hashem than simply sending it to the county landfill or incinerator.

Is wearing a yarmulka also a "chilul Hashem" because it attracts the attention of goyim? We need to be proud to do all of our mitzvos. If others don't get it, explain it to them - don't be embarrassed about it. They ought to be happy to learn from us about what it means to serve Hashem in all aspects of our lives.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 04:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Milhouse Says:

You can certainly bury a dog or a cat on your property! Everyone does it all the time. What makes you think you can't?

There is no law against burying books; there is no basis for such a law; therefore there was nothing wrong with this, and the alleged DEP "violation" will certainly be thrown out for lack of basis.

In many places, like Florida, it's illegal to bury a dog or cat on your property.

The DEP violation will most likely be thrown out, but the DEP was probably just responding to the complaints they received and didn't take the time to check out what was actually happening. But for the people who complained, if they saw a property with tons of garbage bags on it and didn't know what was going on and had never heard of shaimos before, how else would you expect them to react? Efforts need to be made to educate other people about these types of things so that situations like this wont happen.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 05:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
professor Says:

These complaints are just anti-orthodox stupidity. Regulations should not be able to restrict this kind of victimless activity.

There are two issues here; 1) Paperwork that is not classified as shaimos should be disposed of at regular garbage disposal/ recycling sites.; 2) There are issues of concern about environmental impact that those items have, being buried in proximity to the water supply.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 05:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
cool masmid Says:

I guess its very easy to figure out why you are an 'oldlakewooder' - you were either thrown out of town , or you were just one of those guys that were bitter and jealous of the ones that 'made it' and so you left town. Either way its sad to see that you are still bitter. Get help because you need uit.

Good try, but notta on both your opinions. I left because my family left for Brooklyn. But I still have ties to "old Lakewood" when it was "a nice quiet town with a yeshiva"
Building bridges and friendships with non-frum and non-Jew will serve you all for the better. Displaying your arrogant "do as I want" approach just makes you have more adversaries. So, doesn't a bee get more with honey than vinegar? So would you in Lakewood.
.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 05:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

is it me or does thie sound wierd: people are becoming over-zelous about shaimos?

They're not! It's just that some individuals discovered a profit element in it. It (Shaimos disposal) used to be a Community service.

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 Apr 02, 2010 at 05:24 PM Anonymous Says:

There are plenty of beis hachayims where they can put the stuff as has been done for 1000s of years so why do it in a residential area? We pay for the service so it can be done properly so do it properly!
(Both satmars in monroe are looking for buyers)

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 Apr 03, 2010 at 07:20 PM Anonymous Says:

In Manchester the common practise is for sheimos to be buried either at a levaya or whenever a new public building is started (beis Medrash, cheder, mikveh etc.(in the foundations), or handed in to a sheimos dispoal person who has a place in the beis hachayim for it. If you don't sort it into real sheimos and just flyers etc. then it will cost you more to dispose of it as there is a lot more paper in your bag!! No backyard disposal places are needed this way.

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 Apr 03, 2010 at 09:30 PM ich bi hadged Says:

Not only do these companies provide a necessary service to the community they also sustain a life long tradition for us jewish people. We should be uniting together to fight this discrimination. Yes, discrimination. The company that facilitated this burial has had to deal with the gov t renegging on their word before. It is more then just unconstitutional, it is prejudice! This particular company has done nothing against the law. Furthermore, they have made it easier for us all to partake in a mitzvah with no hassle whatsoever and at a reasonable price! We should be thanking them and giving them business for years to come. And to all the naysayers and us-jews-are-always-wrong folk, understand this: this is a parnassah for the proprietors. Maybe you have trouble being sensitive to that because clearly you have no job (this is evident from the fact that you have time to write such slander). To KA I wish you many more years of success and good fortune and I sincerely hope this works out in your favor.

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 Apr 04, 2010 at 03:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Wow, always amazed how people jump to wrong conclusions.
For all those with tainos on the shaimos truck operators, yes they did have permits: the article quotes chief of police Lawson saying how they came to him to discuss the issue. Did you read the article before accusing them?
This company, ka shamos, is run by young very meaning boys, whoso an enormeous service to the community. It is the only company -I believe- that has an hechsher, as they are supervised by rabbi Kissinger.
In the past they have tried to sift through the shaimos, but this proved to be very tedious. Keep in mind that they have somewhere between 10 to 15 big 15' trucks! Not the kind of stuff you can simply sneak in with the next levaya!

Anyways, vosizneyas will for sure let us know in the near future what are the facts, who was right and who not. So why are we jumping at the necks of fellow Jews? These are honest, well meaning ydens who are working hard making a parnossa, giving a service to the community for a fraction of the cost that competitors demanded in the past. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt untill the full story comes to light?

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