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Anti-Zionist Ultra Orthodox Jewish men attend a demonstration against the current celebrations for the 62nd anniversary of Israel's creation on April 20, 2010 in Beit Shemesh. Israel celebrates its 62 birthday, since the sate was declared in 1948. Photo by Kobi Gideon / FLASH90. Bnei Brak - While the State of Israel celebrates 62 years of independence, hundreds of Haredi demonstrators took to the streets Tuesday afternoon in Bnei Brak, clashing with police who tried to prevent them from burning Israeli flags.
The demonstrators blocked off a main road and threw stones at a patrol car, which was damaged. No injuries were reported.
Meanwhile, a group of Neturei Karta demonstrators in Beit Shemesh burned flags during a demonstration against the State.
Recently, there have been a number of Haredi demonstrations, particularly by the anti-Zionist sect Neturei Karta. (As was reported here on VIN News,) On Monday, the police submitted an indictment against young Haredi man Yehiel Hazan (20), from Jerusalem, who burned an Israeli flag. He was arrested by an undercover police officer who was disguised as a Haredi man.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 12:52 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Why not just ignore these dreche yiddin or burn photos of their rebbes outside of their mosdos to demonsrate what we think of them and thier leadership.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
So what's the bottom line??
Who cares if a few charedim wanted to burn the flag..
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Apr 20, 2010 at 01:03 PM Ari Says:Report as Inappropriate
Here we go again !! As a son of holocaust survivors we all have to be thankful to Hashem that we have a country of our own and we can have a place that is our country !! Looks like the flag burners don't know anything about what Yidden suffered 65 years ago !!
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Apr 20, 2010 at 01:35 PM proffesor Says:Report as Inappropriate
I think they are allowed on private property, on public property without a permit could get arrested
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Apr 20, 2010 at 01:38 PM Dallas Jew Says:Report as Inappropriate
Flag burners are not Haredi. They certainly have no fear of G-d. They may be dressed to look "Haredi". Pork can also be served Kosher style.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 02:23 PM alex Says:Report as Inappropriate
at what point can we stop considering these people jewish?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 03:02 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ at what point can we stop considering these people jewish? ”
Answer to Alex, We will stop considering them Jewish when they cease to obey the Toreh! When they Chas Veshuloim begin to be Mechalel Shabbos stop putting on Tefillin, eat not Kosher, and behave immoral, then we will stop considering them Jewish! Until then we might think (as I do) that they are nutty but Jews they are!!! And they have a right to their opinion just like you and I have.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Answer to Alex, We will stop considering them Jewish when they cease to obey the Toreh! When they Chas Veshuloim begin to be Mechalel Shabbos stop putting on Tefillin, eat not Kosher, and behave immoral, then we will stop considering them Jewish! Until then we might think (as I do) that they are nutty but Jews they are!!! And they have a right to their opinion just like you and I have. ”
So then we can now officially consider them not Jewish according to your rules.
They are mechalel Shabbos all the time by their stone throwing, by their attending demonstrations with Palestinians and Iranians on Shabbos. They have been known to travel on Shabbos to attend them. So spare us your defense of them.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 03:15 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Answer to Alex, We will stop considering them Jewish when they cease to obey the Toreh! When they Chas Veshuloim begin to be Mechalel Shabbos stop putting on Tefillin, eat not Kosher, and behave immoral, then we will stop considering them Jewish! Until then we might think (as I do) that they are nutty but Jews they are!!! And they have a right to their opinion just like you and I have. ”
The Israeli Police and Army should have water cannons used on these chayas when they put the lives of innocent people in jeopardy by placing with fire. Wouldn't it be a shame if their peyos and beards caught on fire while they burned a flag?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 03:19 PM happy bday israel ! Says:Report as Inappropriate
if the Neturei Karta hates israel so much why do they choose to live there ? move to america . it doesn't make sense why live in a place thet u don't like ?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 03:31 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Flag burners are not Haredi. They certainly have no fear of G-d. They may be dressed to look "Haredi". Pork can also be served Kosher style. ”
Really? Where in the Torah does it say not to burn flags?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 03:32 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So then we can now officially consider them not Jewish according to your rules.
They are mechalel Shabbos all the time by their stone throwing, by their attending demonstrations with Palestinians and Iranians on Shabbos. They have been known to travel on Shabbos to attend them. So spare us your defense of them. ”
The Hirsch gang, certainly. But what makes you think these people have anything to do with them?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 03:34 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Israeli Police and Army should have water cannons used on these chayas when they put the lives of innocent people in jeopardy by placing with fire. Wouldn't it be a shame if their peyos and beards caught on fire while they burned a flag? ”
Do you have any evidence that they're endangering anyone? Or do you think the police should use water cannons on all the hundreds of thousands who are barbecuing in the parks today? If they do so only on flag-burners, then their actions are clearly aimed at the expressive speech and not at the fire, and that is censorship.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 03:34 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ if the Neturei Karta hates israel so much why do they choose to live there ? move to america . it doesn't make sense why live in a place thet u don't like ? ”
Why should they move? They were there before the Zionists, and they'll be there after the Zionists are gone. They live in Eretz Yisroel because that is where a Jew belongs.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 04:03 PM David Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Really? Where in the Torah does it say not to burn flags? ”
Doesn't Jewish law say "dina d'malchusa dina?" Who gave them the right to violate that? Does the Torah require people to burn flags? If not, then why would any Jew break the law that way?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 04:04 PM David Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Why not just ignore these dreche yiddin or burn photos of their rebbes outside of their mosdos to demonsrate what we think of them and thier leadership. ”
Better yet, burn their public assistance checks! That would impress them!
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Apr 20, 2010 at 04:10 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So then we can now officially consider them not Jewish according to your rules.
They are mechalel Shabbos all the time by their stone throwing, by their attending demonstrations with Palestinians and Iranians on Shabbos. They have been known to travel on Shabbos to attend them. So spare us your defense of them. ”
thats an absolute lie! Check ur facts they are more Erlich than any of us!!
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Apr 20, 2010 at 04:38 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Why should they move? They were there before the Zionists, and they'll be there after the Zionists are gone. They live in Eretz Yisroel because that is where a Jew belongs. ”
Then why aren't you there?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 04:48 PM esther Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ if the Neturei Karta hates israel so much why do they choose to live there ? move to america . it doesn't make sense why live in a place thet u don't like ? ”
no thanks! let them move to iran.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 04:52 PM esther Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Really? Where in the Torah does it say not to burn flags? ”
obviously burning isreal's flag in public is a great Chilul Hashem and serves to give chizuk to our enemies.i can't think of anymore worse avairos.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 05:05 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Why should they move? They were there before the Zionists, and they'll be there after the Zionists are gone. They live in Eretz Yisroel because that is where a Jew belongs. ”
I wouldn't count on them being there after the Zionists are gone. Your comment is sick.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 05:16 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ at what point can we stop considering these people jewish? ”
Wow u no nothing about these people. First educate youself to the reasons y they do wat they do.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 05:17 PM pityu Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ thats an absolute lie! Check ur facts they are more Erlich than any of us!! ”
haha more erleh are you for real their erlehkait is a tottal joke they fabricate their own rules and break them at will stone throwing is forbidden all the time not only shabbas but when they throw stones on shabbas its infinitly more of an averire and a chillel hashem they are a bunch of mindless morons they deficate in the place they reside who does that not even an animal burn and stink up their own neighborhood a bunch of tziwildevete chayes thats what they are they look like it too
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Apr 20, 2010 at 05:29 PM Halaivi Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Doesn't Jewish law say "dina d'malchusa dina?" Who gave them the right to violate that? Does the Torah require people to burn flags? If not, then why would any Jew break the law that way? ”
Dina d'malchusa is only on civil matters it's being used by the left as the core
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Apr 20, 2010 at 05:32 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ thats an absolute lie! Check ur facts they are more Erlich than any of us!! ”
They are more erlich because they shukel harder when they daven ? Because they only eat the hashgoochis with the most chumras ? Because they wear a Geplatchkefakakta Biber Hit ? What happened to hakoras hatov ? what happened to acknowledging the nissim of hakodosh boruch hu of bringing yidden back to EY ? There were max 400 students in Mir in Poland.... how many are there now in yerushalayim ? 6000 ? Where is the gratitude to hashem ? Speak out against these neturei karta drek, don't you call them ehrlich...
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Apr 20, 2010 at 05:38 PM MyThoughts Says:Report as Inappropriate
Millhouse, what's with you I thought you were smarter. Now I checked out a different post from a day ago also about flag burning and you mention that Israel was given as a sliver for the Jews because they were didn't chap the chance to take the geulah. It's childish to believe that. When Hashem will send Moshiach HE WILL SEND MOSHIACH! No sliver this or that.
Zionism is not ideal. NK's are not ideal. We're waiting for the geulah and are not chanfening our enemies while we're waiting.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 06:13 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Millhouse, what's with you I thought you were smarter. Now I checked out a different post from a day ago also about flag burning and you mention that Israel was given as a sliver for the Jews because they were didn't chap the chance to take the geulah. It's childish to believe that. When Hashem will send Moshiach HE WILL SEND MOSHIACH! No sliver this or that.
Zionism is not ideal. NK's are not ideal. We're waiting for the geulah and are not chanfening our enemies while we're waiting. ”
This is what the Lubavitcher Rebbe said in 1948 (he was not yet rebbe). And I heard that the Satmar Rebbe said the same thing. I think they were both smart enough.
(People think the LR was a zionist. Nothing could be further from the truth. Throughout the years he consistently called the medinah a "choshech koful umchupol". His only difference with Satmar was on how to deal with the reality that it does exist. See also Rav Henkin's letter after the medinah was established, making it clear that he had not changed his shitah, but the metzius had changed.)
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Apr 20, 2010 at 06:14 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Better yet, burn their public assistance checks! That would impress them! ”
What public assistance checks? They don't take an agorah from the medinah.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 06:16 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Doesn't Jewish law say "dina d'malchusa dina?" Who gave them the right to violate that? Does the Torah require people to burn flags? If not, then why would any Jew break the law that way? ”
Another person who can't translate simple Aramish. Assuming for the moment that DdMD applies, what has it got to do with anything? Where in those words do you see any prohibition on breaking the law? Do you imagine DdMD means that the entire corpus of state and local law is incorporated by reference into Shulchon Oruch?!
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Apr 20, 2010 at 06:31 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I just don't understand. Why do the chilonimin EY hate the charaidim? It makes no sense. Just because charaidim burn the flag that represents the country for which they send their children to fight and die while the charaidim send their kids to yeshivos that are protected by the chayalim they vilify, shouldn't that cause them to love the charaidim???
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Apr 20, 2010 at 07:02 PM DizzyIzzy Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Answer to Alex, We will stop considering them Jewish when they cease to obey the Toreh! When they Chas Veshuloim begin to be Mechalel Shabbos stop putting on Tefillin, eat not Kosher, and behave immoral, then we will stop considering them Jewish! Until then we might think (as I do) that they are nutty but Jews they are!!! And they have a right to their opinion just like you and I have. ”
So a Jew who isn't Shomer Torah u'Mitzvos isn't Jewish? You'd better let G-d know. I'm not so sure He agrees.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 07:07 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
No. 31. I see ,you pick and choose your replies as to what suits you best . Otherwise, you just clam up.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 07:09 PM Cadd9 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What public assistance checks? They don't take an agorah from the medinah. ”
The vast majority of Anti-Zionists allow their followers to take public assistance for their private needs. They just prohibit the mosdos from taking money from the gov't.
The mosdos also take government money because with lomdus the parents take money for private needs and it then gets funneled to the Holy mosod through either sham mosod or a legitimate Agudah mosod that takes a cut.
Do you really think that thousands of people survive without a job , ten dependents, private schooling and no government money?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 07:17 PM MyThoughts Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This is what the Lubavitcher Rebbe said in 1948 (he was not yet rebbe). And I heard that the Satmar Rebbe said the same thing. I think they were both smart enough.
(People think the LR was a zionist. Nothing could be further from the truth. Throughout the years he consistently called the medinah a "choshech koful umchupol". His only difference with Satmar was on how to deal with the reality that it does exist. See also Rav Henkin's letter after the medinah was established, making it clear that he had not changed his shitah, but the metzius had changed.) ”
Listen Millhouse, I grew up with the Satmere and I know their shitta. Their shitta is not that Zionism is a sliver of what Hashem gave us instead of Moshiach. Their shitta is that Zionism is a farblendenish from the yetzer hora. It is kulo yetzer hora. That is their shitta.
About the Lubavitzer Rebbe I can't comment what he did or didn't comment. But one thing I can tell you, the Lubavitzers are mostly pro-Israel and were what you were saying the truth, their hashkafos lagabah Israel would not be the same.
In any case, as I have mentioned before chanfening to all those who would tear your neck apart would they be given a chance is ussar, ussar and ussar again. Just because not every single one of the NK's traveled to Gaza for Shabbos or to visit Iran does not mean they don't support them. They do believe that that is the right thing to do. Standing with the murderers of our people at demonstrations to support the bloodthirsty murderers is not ussar? And while flag burning may not be outright ussar it still is not the right thing to do. Don't you think the Chizzballah and Chamas terrorists have a huge smiles on their faces when they see this throught the media?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 09:15 PM izzy Says:Report as Inappropriate
Israel should not allow nk to operate they should close them down and for Satmar I cant believe how anti Zionism they real are did they forget how there alter Rebbe was saved by the Zionist
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Apr 20, 2010 at 09:37 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Israel should not allow nk to operate they should close them down and for Satmar I cant believe how anti Zionism they real are did they forget how there alter Rebbe was saved by the Zionist ”
Close them down? On what grounds? Or have you stopped pretending that Israel is a free country?
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Apr 20, 2010 at 09:41 PM Izzy Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Close them down? On what grounds? Or have you stopped pretending that Israel is a free country? ”
It is a terroist org just like Hamas and you might not know that the jdl is no longer allowed to operate in Israel
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Apr 20, 2010 at 09:44 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Answer to Alex, We will stop considering them Jewish when they cease to obey the Toreh! When they Chas Veshuloim begin to be Mechalel Shabbos stop putting on Tefillin, eat not Kosher, and behave immoral, then we will stop considering them Jewish! Until then we might think (as I do) that they are nutty but Jews they are!!! And they have a right to their opinion just like you and I have. ”
Making a Chillul Hashem is way worse than being Mechalel Shabbos or eating treif. Being Mechalel Shem Hashem BeFarhesia, supposedly in the name of Torah and Yiddishkeit, causes Yidden and Goyem to look at the Torah World as a bunch of ignoramous nuts. They ARE NOT entitled to their opinion as long as they are making the rest of us honest sane Yidden look stupid.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 10:13 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It is a terroist org just like Hamas and you might not know that the jdl is no longer allowed to operate in Israel ”
It's a terrorist org just like Hamas? Really? Do tell. Please list even one terrorist attack NK has perpetrated. One act of political violence. Something.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 10:14 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Making a Chillul Hashem is way worse than being Mechalel Shabbos or eating treif. Being Mechalel Shem Hashem BeFarhesia, supposedly in the name of Torah and Yiddishkeit, causes Yidden and Goyem to look at the Torah World as a bunch of ignoramous nuts. They ARE NOT entitled to their opinion as long as they are making the rest of us honest sane Yidden look stupid. ”
Chilul haShem? What exactly was the chilul haShem? Maybe it was davka a kiddush haShem? (I don't think it was, but the case for that is at least as easy to make as the opposite one.) Unless your definition of chilul haShem is anything that gets goyim or Jewish shkotzim upset.
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Apr 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Chilul haShem? What exactly was the chilul haShem? Maybe it was davka a kiddush haShem? (I don't think it was, but the case for that is at least as easy to make as the opposite one.) Unless your definition of chilul haShem is anything that gets goyim or Jewish shkotzim upset. ”
It's worth reading all these comments just to read Milhouse's posts. He's about the only one who consistently posts sane comments. He's open-minded from a da'as Torah perspective and it serves to counterbalance a lot of narishkeit. Shkuyach!
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Apr 20, 2010 at 11:03 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Really? Where in the Torah does it say not to burn flags? ”
To quote the often used line in the Gemarah...למה לי קרא, סברא הוא?!? There are things that are just too simple and common sense, that don't require any pasuk to learn it out. How do we know driving drunk is assur? Where does it say in the Torah to not drive drunk? למה לי קרא, סברא הוא
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Apr 20, 2010 at 11:08 PM MyThoughts Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Chilul haShem? What exactly was the chilul haShem? Maybe it was davka a kiddush haShem? (I don't think it was, but the case for that is at least as easy to make as the opposite one.) Unless your definition of chilul haShem is anything that gets goyim or Jewish shkotzim upset. ”
Chillul Hashem is desecrating Hashem's name. To see Jew fighting Jew is desecrating Hashem's name. To see Jews supporting our enemies is chillul Hashem.
Although #42 being mechalel Shabbos and eating treif is chillul Hashem as well. It is not a bigger aveirah to desecrate Hashem's name only for the goyim. It is any act that a Jew does that is against the will of Hashem.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:02 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Millhouse is definitely right on this one. What has zionism done for us. It is doubtful that more jews are alive, and it is probable more jews are non-frum because of zionism.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:05 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To quote the often used line in the Gemarah...למה לי קרא, סברא הוא?!? There are things that are just too simple and common sense, that don't require any pasuk to learn it out. How do we know driving drunk is assur? Where does it say in the Torah to not drive drunk? למה לי קרא, סברא הוא ”
The definition of sevara is logic, not common sense. your personal common sense can be wrong, pure logic-sevara cannot. Why don't you supply a logical argument.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:17 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Milhouse- continue posting! We need some Torah perspectives.People think like the ny times and jewish press. We need the sanity!
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Apr 21, 2010 at 04:36 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Chilul haShem? What exactly was the chilul haShem? Maybe it was davka a kiddush haShem? (I don't think it was, but the case for that is at least as easy to make as the opposite one.) Unless your definition of chilul haShem is anything that gets goyim or Jewish shkotzim upset. ”
A Chilul Hashem is in fact when the presence of G-d is diminished by the action of a Torah observant Jew. When a frum looking Jew acts like a Behaima by burning an object held in reverance to most, he makes Yiddishkeit look bad to all, frum , non-frum and goyim. Yes they count, look in Dibros Moshe, Ketubot, Teshuva 1
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Apr 21, 2010 at 06:35 AM YitzchokAizik Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So what's the bottom line??
Who cares if a few charedim wanted to burn the flag.. ”
try to burn a US flag on 4th. of July in public and see what happens ...
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Apr 21, 2010 at 08:37 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's worth reading all these comments just to read Milhouse's posts. He's about the only one who consistently posts sane comments. He's open-minded from a da'as Torah perspective and it serves to counterbalance a lot of narishkeit. Shkuyach! ”
Actually, he sounds more like a grouchy old loser than anything else. The only voice he provides is the counterbalance to common sense, decency and mentchlichkeit.
He can't even get thru a conversation without resorting to personal insults and questioning if his opponent is Jewish.
However, it was very loyal of you to write in his defense, Mrs. Milhouse. Every mother should be proud of her son, even if he is nothing of which to be proud.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 08:42 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I can't believe I'm saying this, but Millhouse is definitely right on this one. What has zionism done for us. It is doubtful that more jews are alive, and it is probable more jews are non-frum because of zionism. ”
You obviously know nothing of post-WWII Jewish history.
The majority of survivors were locked in DP camps. No country would take them and going back to their home towns was asking to be killed by their Polish friends and neighbors. The Medina gave them a place to start over.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 08:44 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I can't believe I'm saying this, but Millhouse is definitely right on this one. What has zionism done for us. It is doubtful that more jews are alive, and it is probable more jews are non-frum because of zionism. ”
Zionists have supported the learning of more blatt gemorah than anyone in history.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 08:57 AM RGK Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Answer to Alex, We will stop considering them Jewish when they cease to obey the Toreh! When they Chas Veshuloim begin to be Mechalel Shabbos stop putting on Tefillin, eat not Kosher, and behave immoral, then we will stop considering them Jewish! Until then we might think (as I do) that they are nutty but Jews they are!!! And they have a right to their opinion just like you and I have. ”
Observant or not, they are ALWAYS be Jewish! This is a big turn off for people who are reaching out to become frum, with this opinion or attitude, they would be afraid to make mistake on Shabbos or dietary laws. This is not how i want to learn from you. I just learned with a friend last night, every Jew have a Jewish soul whether they know it or not. Wit this statement of yours, im angry.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 09:02 AM rgk Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I just don't understand. Why do the chilonimin EY hate the charaidim? It makes no sense. Just because charaidim burn the flag that represents the country for which they send their children to fight and die while the charaidim send their kids to yeshivos that are protected by the chayalim they vilify, shouldn't that cause them to love the charaidim??? ”
I wonder why they are living in Israel if they are opposed to the idea of people living there? I had to hide our magan David artifacts cuz one of our guest is in same Charaidim sect, destroys them when he saw them wherever he went.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 09:18 AM David Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Dina d'malchusa is only on civil matters it's being used by the left as the core ”
So, according to you, Jews are in no way morally obligated by our religion to follow the criminal laws of the state? Interesting theory... where'd you find it? Der Sturmer?
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Apr 21, 2010 at 09:20 AM David Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ try to burn a US flag on 4th. of July in public and see what happens ... ”
Just don't try it in front of me!
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Apr 21, 2010 at 09:24 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Actually, he sounds more like a grouchy old loser than anything else. The only voice he provides is the counterbalance to common sense, decency and mentchlichkeit.
He can't even get thru a conversation without resorting to personal insults and questioning if his opponent is Jewish.
However, it was very loyal of you to write in his defense, Mrs. Milhouse. Every mother should be proud of her son, even if he is nothing of which to be proud. ”
Very typical. Always respnding to sanity with a disparaging remark and a cute joke- but no words of sense. I don't find milhouse making fun of anyone. He's just saying the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. And it's not his mom. I actually served 2 years in gaza and lebanon but I still respect truth when I hear it.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 09:41 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Zionists have supported the learning of more blatt gemorah than anyone in history. ”
Might be true if jewish history started in 1948. Even so, it's debatable to say the least. Depends on what you mean by "supported"
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Apr 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Might be true if jewish history started in 1948. Even so, it's debatable to say the least. Depends on what you mean by "supported" ”
What are you, Bill Clinton? You don't understand the word 'supported'?
It means they paid men to sit and learn instead of going to work. There are more people learning full time in Eretz Yisroel today than at any time in history.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Very typical. Always respnding to sanity with a disparaging remark and a cute joke- but no words of sense. I don't find milhouse making fun of anyone. He's just saying the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. And it's not his mom. I actually served 2 years in gaza and lebanon but I still respect truth when I hear it. ”
Mrs. Milhouse - I didn't write that he makes fun of anybody. I wrote that he insults them. I suppose you'll debate the meaning of the word 'insult'.
Face it - even if he were just writing the truth - he is still an old grouchy loser who labels his opponents 'shaigetz' and questions whether they are Jewish.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:37 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ try to burn a US flag on 4th. of July in public and see what happens ... ”
Yes, try it. You will be protected by the first amendment, and any policeman who tries to interfere with you, or who declines to protect you from criminal violence, will be subject to a Bivens lawsuit.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:40 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ A Chilul Hashem is in fact when the presence of G-d is diminished by the action of a Torah observant Jew. When a frum looking Jew acts like a Behaima by burning an object held in reverance to most, he makes Yiddishkeit look bad to all, frum , non-frum and goyim. Yes they count, look in Dibros Moshe, Ketubot, Teshuva 1 ”
Destroying avoda zara is a kiddush haShem, no matter how many people hold it in reverence. On the contrary, the fact that an object is revered by people makes it an avoda zara, and makes it a kiddush haShem to destroy it.
Chilul haShem has nothing to do with upsetting goyim or Jewish shkotzim. Chilul haShem means doing an avera in public, so that the onlookers see how little you care for Hashem's commandments. Kiddush haShem means doing a mitzvah in public, especially under difficult circumstances, so that the onlookers see how important it is to do Hashem's will.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:43 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ You obviously know nothing of post-WWII Jewish history.
The majority of survivors were locked in DP camps. No country would take them and going back to their home towns was asking to be killed by their Polish friends and neighbors. The Medina gave them a place to start over. ”
And yet most didn't go there, and ended up doing quite well elsewhere. Obviously the medinah was not necessary to resettle the refugees. Every refugee who settled in EY could just as easily have stayed in Europe or gone to America or Australia or South Africa, just as did all the refugees who didn't go to EY.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:44 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I wonder why they are living in Israel if they are opposed to the idea of people living there? I had to hide our magan David artifacts cuz one of our guest is in same Charaidim sect, destroys them when he saw them wherever he went. ”
They are obviously NOT opposed to the idea of Jews living in Eretz Yisroel. Where did you get the idea that they were?
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So, according to you, Jews are in no way morally obligated by our religion to follow the criminal laws of the state? Interesting theory... where'd you find it? Der Sturmer? ”
That's right, and not just Jews. NOBODY is morally obligated to follow the laws of the state. How could it be otherwise? Where did the state get the moral authority to turn right into wrong or wrong into right? If something is right, how can a decree from some legislature magically make it wrong, or vice versa? That's Nazi thinking right there.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:47 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Just don't try it in front of me! ”
So are you threatening criminal violence to impose your opinions on others? And then you have the chutzpah to criticise others? Shame on you, you fascist.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 12:48 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Mrs. Milhouse - I didn't write that he makes fun of anybody. I wrote that he insults them. I suppose you'll debate the meaning of the word 'insult'.
Face it - even if he were just writing the truth - he is still an old grouchy loser who labels his opponents 'shaigetz' and questions whether they are Jewish. ”
Only when they show clear signs of not being Jewish. You will not find a single instance where I have doubted someone's Jewish status without clear cause.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 03:23 PM David Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ That's right, and not just Jews. NOBODY is morally obligated to follow the laws of the state. How could it be otherwise? Where did the state get the moral authority to turn right into wrong or wrong into right? If something is right, how can a decree from some legislature magically make it wrong, or vice versa? That's Nazi thinking right there. ”
No moral obligation to be a law-abiding citizen! OK, thanks. Incidentally, if anybody here was looking for a way to demonstrate that you are a complete sociopath, you just took care of that for them.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 03:42 PM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ No moral obligation to be a law-abiding citizen! OK, thanks. Incidentally, if anybody here was looking for a way to demonstrate that you are a complete sociopath, you just took care of that for them. ”
So where does this moral obligation come from, in your philosophy? Can you cite any moral philosopher, anywhere, who believes such an obligation exists? If such an obligation exists, then what was wrong with the Nazis, or right with those who resisted them? Surely you would scrupulously obey every ordinance of the lawful government, and turn in anyone who defied it.
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Apr 21, 2010 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ No moral obligation to be a law-abiding citizen! OK, thanks. Incidentally, if anybody here was looking for a way to demonstrate that you are a complete sociopath, you just took care of that for them. ”
He said MORALLY obligated!
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Apr 22, 2010 at 06:45 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ And yet most didn't go there, and ended up doing quite well elsewhere. Obviously the medinah was not necessary to resettle the refugees. Every refugee who settled in EY could just as easily have stayed in Europe or gone to America or Australia or South Africa, just as did all the refugees who didn't go to EY. ”
See Mrs. Milhouse? Your son is not only rude but he is either a liar who knows the that the US, England and Canada were not accepting more than a small quota or Jews in the post-war years or he is once again offering opinions on subjects about which he is totally ignorant.
Perhaps you can explain to Junior that in 1948 there were several hundred thousand Jews (I don't have an accurate figure in front of me but I believe it was between 300,000 and 500,000) waiting in DP camps with no place to go.
I'm sure his suggestion that Europe was prepared to peacefully re-absorb it's recently evicted Jews was merely a poor attempt at humor.
Please, Mrs. Milhouse, please, don't let Junior use the keyboard unsupervised. He only stops insulting people long enough to make a fool of himself.