“ Yidden are Rachmonim.... Consertives are just not Yidden ”

“ Kudos to Rabbi Katz. I am neither Charedi, nor MO, neither Chassid nor Mitnaged, not "farbrenter" Zionist, certainly not Anti Zionist (Boy, I am a "fence sitter"!). But, I am definitely a Jew! Nearly all of those of us who read this blog, are Jews. Rubashkin is probably guilty, and deserves SOME punishment. Is he worse than all of the murderers, rapists, assaulters, thrice convicted felons, etc., who are walking the streets after a few years in jail? If Shalom Rubashkin accosted you at night, on a dark street, do you fear for your safety? Sure, punishment is mandated, a lesson must be taught. But, he doesn't need a greater lesson than all of the above. We have to stick together as Jews, because if we don't stick together, we may all (r'l') suffer together. ”

“ Anyone who is halachically a Jew is a Jew, but the leaders of the movements are koifrim who are choteh umachti. Some are tinoikos shenishbeu, others are the second son of the Torah. We can't do much to bring the leaders back but we can't call Jews "not Yidden" when we want to separate them from the Ahavs and Izevels and Yoravams who they follow. Gut Shabbos! ”

“ Yidden are Rachmonim.... Consertives are just not Yidden ”

“ Yidden are Rachmonim.... Consertives are just not Yidden ”

“ Most violent crimes are state or common law crimes and thus carry fewer penalties. But the conservative Lock 'Em Up And Throw Away The Key mentality that has dominated the federal government over the past generation has resulted in a situation where most financial crimes carry the potential for enormous federal prison sentences, with no possibility of parole. Hopefully now that we have a liberal president this might get corrected. ”

“ Most violent crimes are state or common law crimes and thus carry fewer penalties. But the conservative Lock 'Em Up And Throw Away The Key mentality that has dominated the federal government over the past generation has resulted in a situation where most financial crimes carry the potential for enormous federal prison sentences, with no possibility of parole. Hopefully now that we have a liberal president this might get corrected. ”

“ Most violent crimes are state or common law crimes and thus carry fewer penalties. But the conservative Lock 'Em Up And Throw Away The Key mentality that has dominated the federal government over the past generation has resulted in a situation where most financial crimes carry the potential for enormous federal prison sentences, with no possibility of parole. Hopefully now that we have a liberal president this might get corrected. ”

“ Couldn't of said it better, why do u think all the poskim in the world have invalidated anything a conservative/reform rabbi does, and prohibited even sitting with them in meetings, because they are not yidden. Simple they do not have the natural traits inbred in Jews. ”

“ He's only liberal regarding Muslims, spending taxpayer dollars, helping the PLO etc. He's not liberal in supporting justice. ”

“ I have one simple question: How many people in the United States have been totally honest all of their life ,when applying for credit or a credit card or similar facility? ”

“ Hey Charlie,

The correction you hope for will not occur when the victim of the injustice is a Yid. If the victim was black, perhaps, although there is always the option of Presidential pardon. Conservatism has its shortcomings, but it beats the Liberal disease hands down - based on morals, based on success, based on efficiency, and is far more compatible with Yiddishkeit. Meanwhile, BHO has been a disgrace to America and the values upon which it was founded. He and those who think alike need to be voted out of office. REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER. ”

“ beautifully written piece. Rubashkin does not deserve this. Also just as aside point there have been those (a certain newspaper) who characterize this as a huge blood libel and the end of an era of peace and tranquility in this malchus shel chesed. all that is true hyperbole. The probable anti antisemitism of a few does not represent, at all, american society at large or the US government. (That obviously does not take away from the fact that this whole thing is a gross injustice and we should fight it any way we can). ”

“ first of all I am offended that the writer bestows the title Rabbi on this two legged oker yisroel. Yes he is a jew, and as such he is mola mitzvos kerimon, but his ahava to his pocket, to his kovad, and hopefully to his wife, housekeeper and janitor, and last but not least, animals, far outweighs his ahava to his fellow jew.
second, who needs him, or wants him to comment on this sad situation. Is it SMR fault that his business went down the tubes because of situations way beyond his control. To state that it was his fault hiring all these illegals is hogwash, pardon the pun. ALL meat processors be it Tyson, IBP, etc. etc. got caught with the same. but ONLY Agriprocessors had the distinct honor of being raided the way they where raided, with the US army 3rd division....
This caused the business to go kaput. Unfortuneately in his desire to salvage the business he made mistakes that I challange anyone in a similar position not to do. Al tidon a chavairaichu ud stehi bimkomoi ”

“ Yidden are Rachmonim.... Consertives are just not Yidden ”

“ This letter is pointing out serious critcism,against the conservative movement.

However,it will not help the cause on hand,so it might be out of place.Hishtadlus,has to be made quietly,and with mutual respect,not with an open letter.

Even,if we can assume, that help,from them, was asked,and they refused,I don't see a tachlis,in this public denouncement.

We should listen to all,including conservative,reform,and gentile,to improve our ways,and behavior.This looking down on others,and feeling superior,is not a good thing.Think about it.

Just because we are the Chosen,does not mean we should not listen.and learn. ”

“ Charlie , first obama has to explain why he indicted rubashkin on his campaign trail. My perspective is that the prosecuter and judge want to look good in his eyes , wouldn't you want to look good in the eyes of your commander and chief? I don't why we are not protesting in front of the white house. ”

“ mr. katz. im not quite sure why you are so concerned about the consevative movments ideals . have you written letters about the way they do or dont do things the way you feel is wrong or right? then why now . are you trying to cash in with this article to make yourself a famous RABBI? are you not comfortable with your own set of rules that you feel that you have to knock someone who you may disagree with? ”

“ Most violent crimes are state or common law crimes and thus carry fewer penalties. But the conservative Lock 'Em Up And Throw Away The Key mentality that has dominated the federal government over the past generation has resulted in a situation where most financial crimes carry the potential for enormous federal prison sentences, with no possibility of parole. Hopefully now that we have a liberal president this might get corrected. ”

“ Is this now the new talking point? Obama indicted Rubashkin?! It was George Bush who was in office. It was George Bush who ordered these showboating raids. It was George Bush's party which wanted to "get tough on illegals" while doing nothing to secure the border. It was the Republican congressman from Postville's district who is probably the most outspoken critic of the hiring of illegals. Let me know when you see one of these raids under Obama's watch; It won't happen.
Is there anything you don't blame on Obama? Maybe he's responsible for making it rain and ruing my plans yesterday; maybe for the traffic jam. It's all his fault I spilled that cup of orange juice. Pathetic. ”

“ Obama mentioned the slaughterhouse issue several times while campaigning in Iowa. He used Rubashkin unethically to further his political aspirations. Don't try to rewrite history. ”

“ Several of these postings are very disrepectful to Rav Allen and Rav Weiss who have worked very hard on behalf of a narrowly defined set of issues that are very important to many yiddin. They are not obligated to address EVERY injustice in the world and given limited time and resources, could not reasonably do so even if they claimed a broader mandate. We should be thankful for their mesiras nefesh on behalf of the limited agenda they have worked so dilligently to address. ”

“ YOU SHALL FAITHFULLY OBSERVE MY COMMANDMENTS: I AM THE LORD. YOU SHALL NOT PROFANE MY HOLY NAME, THAT I MAY BE SANCTIFIED IN THE MIDST OF THE ISRAELITE PEOPLE - I THE LORD WHO SANCTIFY YOU.

(Vayikra 22:31-32)



Profanation of God's Name and Sanctification of God's Name

There are other things that are a profanation of the Name of God. When a man, great in the knowledge of the Torah and reputed for his piety, does things which cause people to talk about him, even if the acts are not express violations, he profanes the Name of God. As, for example, if such a person makes a purchase and does not pay promptly, provided that he has means and the creditors ask for payment and he puts them off; or if he indulges immoderately in jesting, eating, or drinking, when he is staying with ignorant people or living among them; or if his mode of addressing people is not gentle, or he does not receive people affably, but is quarrelsome and irascible. The greater a man is, the more scrupulous should he be in all such things, and do more than the strict letter of the law requires. And if a man has been scrupulous in his conduct, gentle in his conversation, pleasant toward his fellow-creatures, affable in manner when receiving them, not retorting, even when affronted, but showing courtesy to all, even to those who treat him with disdain, conducting his commercial affairs with integrity, not readily accepting the hospitality of the ignorant nor frequenting their company, not seen at all times, but devoting himself to the study of Torah, wrapped in a tallit, and crowned with phylacteries, and doing more than his duty in all things, avoiding, however, extremes and exaggerations - such a man has sanctified God, and concerning him, Scripture says, And He said to me, "You are My servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified" (Isaiah 49:3).

(RaMBaM Hilkhot Yesodei Ha'Torah 5:11, Hyamson translation) ”

“ The same letter should be addresssed to Avi Weiss, who is always in the forefront for Durban, Sudan, women Rabbi's, all in the name of Tikun Olam and social justice. He is always in the newspaper - where is he now? ”

“ Re" "The ties between UFCW and PETA are anything but kosher as well."
This is absurd. There never were any ties. This is all the part of the same conspiracy nonsense about PETA, the unions the government, anti-Semites being in partnership. PETA's involvement was strictly exposing cruelty and illegal slaughter/handling methods. The original 2004 undercover investigation resulted in Agriprocessors being cited by the USDA for "engaging in acts of inhumane slaughter." Dr. Temple Grandin, the world's leading slaughterhouse expert, called Rubashkin's hacking out the tracheas of conscious cattle "the most disgusting thing she had ever seen" and she had inspected many proper kosher plants. Rubashkin's response to these barbaric methods was to say "This is shechita in its full glory" (even though it had nothing to do with shechita - the dismemberment of conscious animals immediately after shechita was done for commercial reasons). He NEVER had any mercy on the animals, he never considered tza'ar ba'alei chayim. Why should he expect the courts to have mercy on him when he treated his employees and animals with disdain? I hope he gets a fair sentence. ”

“ So all the people who are screaming, "But Sholom Rubashkin is your brother!" think it's okay to bash rabbis from other movement and to refer to other movements as not Jewish?

Hypocrites. Don't expect them to sign your petitions. ”

“ dont do the crime if you cant do the time. ”

“ Re" "The ties between UFCW and PETA are anything but kosher as well."
This is absurd. There never were any ties. This is all the part of the same conspiracy nonsense about PETA, the unions the government, anti-Semites being in partnership. PETA's involvement was strictly exposing cruelty and illegal slaughter/handling methods. The original 2004 undercover investigation resulted in Agriprocessors being cited by the USDA for "engaging in acts of inhumane slaughter." Dr. Temple Grandin, the world's leading slaughterhouse expert, called Rubashkin's hacking out the tracheas of conscious cattle "the most disgusting thing she had ever seen" and she had inspected many proper kosher plants. Rubashkin's response to these barbaric methods was to say "This is shechita in its full glory" (even though it had nothing to do with shechita - the dismemberment of conscious animals immediately after shechita was done for commercial reasons). He NEVER had any mercy on the animals, he never considered tza'ar ba'alei chayim. Why should he expect the courts to have mercy on him when he treated his employees and animals with disdain? I hope he gets a fair sentence. ”

“ Re" "The ties between UFCW and PETA are anything but kosher as well."
This is absurd. There never were any ties. This is all the part of the same conspiracy nonsense about PETA, the unions the government, anti-Semites being in partnership. PETA's involvement was strictly exposing cruelty and illegal slaughter/handling methods. The original 2004 undercover investigation resulted in Agriprocessors being cited by the USDA for "engaging in acts of inhumane slaughter." Dr. Temple Grandin, the world's leading slaughterhouse expert, called Rubashkin's hacking out the tracheas of conscious cattle "the most disgusting thing she had ever seen" and she had inspected many proper kosher plants. Rubashkin's response to these barbaric methods was to say "This is shechita in its full glory" (even though it had nothing to do with shechita - the dismemberment of conscious animals immediately after shechita was done for commercial reasons). He NEVER had any mercy on the animals, he never considered tza'ar ba'alei chayim. Why should he expect the courts to have mercy on him when he treated his employees and animals with disdain? I hope he gets a fair sentence. ”

“ Re" "The ties between UFCW and PETA are anything but kosher as well."
This is absurd. There never were any ties. This is all the part of the same conspiracy nonsense about PETA, the unions the government, anti-Semites being in partnership. PETA's involvement was strictly exposing cruelty and illegal slaughter/handling methods. The original 2004 undercover investigation resulted in Agriprocessors being cited by the USDA for "engaging in acts of inhumane slaughter." Dr. Temple Grandin, the world's leading slaughterhouse expert, called Rubashkin's hacking out the tracheas of conscious cattle "the most disgusting thing she had ever seen" and she had inspected many proper kosher plants. Rubashkin's response to these barbaric methods was to say "This is shechita in its full glory" (even though it had nothing to do with shechita - the dismemberment of conscious animals immediately after shechita was done for commercial reasons). He NEVER had any mercy on the animals, he never considered tza'ar ba'alei chayim. Why should he expect the courts to have mercy on him when he treated his employees and animals with disdain? I hope he gets a fair sentence. ”

“ Re" "The ties between UFCW and PETA are anything but kosher as well."
This is absurd. There never were any ties. This is all the part of the same conspiracy nonsense about PETA, the unions the government, anti-Semites being in partnership. PETA's involvement was strictly exposing cruelty and illegal slaughter/handling methods. The original 2004 undercover investigation resulted in Agriprocessors being cited by the USDA for "engaging in acts of inhumane slaughter." Dr. Temple Grandin, the world's leading slaughterhouse expert, called Rubashkin's hacking out the tracheas of conscious cattle "the most disgusting thing she had ever seen" and she had inspected many proper kosher plants. Rubashkin's response to these barbaric methods was to say "This is shechita in its full glory" (even though it had nothing to do with shechita - the dismemberment of conscious animals immediately after shechita was done for commercial reasons). He NEVER had any mercy on the animals, he never considered tza'ar ba'alei chayim. Why should he expect the courts to have mercy on him when he treated his employees and animals with disdain? I hope he gets a fair sentence. ”

“ Yidden are Rachmonim.... Consertives are just not Yidden ”

“ Charlie , first obama has to explain why he indicted rubashkin on his campaign trail. My perspective is that the prosecuter and judge want to look good in his eyes , wouldn't you want to look good in the eyes of your commander and chief? I don't why we are not protesting in front of the white house. ”

“ The same question should be directed towards the OU and the RCA who benifited greatly from the Rubashkins over the years and now refuse to support him at all. ”

“ The same letter should be addresssed to Avi Weiss, who is always in the forefront for Durban, Sudan, women Rabbi's, all in the name of Tikun Olam and social justice. He is always in the newspaper - where is he now? ”

“ Yidden are Rachmonim.... Consertives are just not Yidden ”

“ That is an unfair exaggeration. Conservative Jews are Jews, and there are tremendous halachic issues that arise in calling them non-Jews. ”

“ Is sefira not a time we mourn the death of Rabi Akiva's talmidim because they we not noheg kavod zeh ba zeh. Given some of the comments here about other Jews who might not be as observant as we are it is clear that non of the nihugey aveilus have had any effect on you other than making you feel self righteous and good about yourselves. There are plenty of good people who have not spoken out about Rubashkin because the chillul hashem he created is far worse than anything we have witnessed in a long time. Perhaps he does not deserve life in prison but nor does he deserve to be treated as a malach, as so many people have been treating him. He is a criminal and one who by all accounts did not treat his workers properly. He deserves as much leniency in sentencing as any other person but he should not be turned into some kind of a saint to our community. It does not send the right message. He committed a crime and should be punished for it. ”

“ Is sefira not a time we mourn the death of Rabi Akiva's talmidim because they we not noheg kavod zeh ba zeh. Given some of the comments here about other Jews who might not be as observant as we are it is clear that non of the nihugey aveilus have had any effect on you other than making you feel self righteous and good about yourselves. There are plenty of good people who have not spoken out about Rubashkin because the chillul hashem he created is far worse than anything we have witnessed in a long time. Perhaps he does not deserve life in prison but nor does he deserve to be treated as a malach, as so many people have been treating him. He is a criminal and one who by all accounts did not treat his workers properly. He deserves as much leniency in sentencing as any other person but he should not be turned into some kind of a saint to our community. It does not send the right message. He committed a crime and should be punished for it. ”

“ The same question should be directed towards the OU and the RCA who benifited greatly from the Rubashkins over the years and now refuse to support him at all. ”

“ This was a very well written article. A Yasher Koach Rabbi Katz. Mr. Rubashkin who is a very nice man and who has done a lot for his community, is in an unfortunate state of affairs. May the Aiybishter help him and his family very much and soon, and may Hashem take Nekamah on all those who prosecute Mr. S.M. Rubashkin.
I know that the C.E.O. of Toyota has neglected his his consumers a lot more and with more obligations to them, and he did not serve not one day in jail. ”

“ Is sefira not a time we mourn the death of Rabi Akiva's talmidim because they we not noheg kavod zeh ba zeh. Given some of the comments here about other Jews who might not be as observant as we are it is clear that non of the nihugey aveilus have had any effect on you other than making you feel self righteous and good about yourselves. There are plenty of good people who have not spoken out about Rubashkin because the chillul hashem he created is far worse than anything we have witnessed in a long time. Perhaps he does not deserve life in prison but nor does he deserve to be treated as a malach, as so many people have been treating him. He is a criminal and one who by all accounts did not treat his workers properly. He deserves as much leniency in sentencing as any other person but he should not be turned into some kind of a saint to our community. It does not send the right message. He committed a crime and should be punished for it. ”

“ Is sefira not a time we mourn the death of Rabi Akiva's talmidim because they we not noheg kavod zeh ba zeh. Given some of the comments here about other Jews who might not be as observant as we are it is clear that non of the nihugey aveilus have had any effect on you other than making you feel self righteous and good about yourselves. There are plenty of good people who have not spoken out about Rubashkin because the chillul hashem he created is far worse than anything we have witnessed in a long time. Perhaps he does not deserve life in prison but nor does he deserve to be treated as a malach, as so many people have been treating him. He is a criminal and one who by all accounts did not treat his workers properly. He deserves as much leniency in sentencing as any other person but he should not be turned into some kind of a saint to our community. It does not send the right message. He committed a crime and should be punished for it. ”

“ And to Rabbi Avi Weiss's talmid SHMULY YANKLOWITZ yemach shemo vezichro, is a Rabbinical Student at YCT Rabbinical School in New York City where he is a Wexner Graduate Fellow - and a Doctoral Candidate in Developmental Psychology at Columbia University. Shmuly is the founder of Uri L'Tzedek who agitated against Rubashkin, together with Rabbi Allen. This Orthodox mushchas should be more culpable than the Conservative hack Raabi Allen.

SHMUEL YANKLOWITZ is one name that V'SHAIM RESHOIM YIRKAV ”

“ Is sefira not a time we mourn the death of Rabi Akiva's talmidim because they we not noheg kavod zeh ba zeh. Given some of the comments here about other Jews who might not be as observant as we are it is clear that non of the nihugey aveilus have had any effect on you other than making you feel self righteous and good about yourselves. There are plenty of good people who have not spoken out about Rubashkin because the chillul hashem he created is far worse than anything we have witnessed in a long time. Perhaps he does not deserve life in prison but nor does he deserve to be treated as a malach, as so many people have been treating him. He is a criminal and one who by all accounts did not treat his workers properly. He deserves as much leniency in sentencing as any other person but he should not be turned into some kind of a saint to our community. It does not send the right message. He committed a crime and should be punished for it. ”

“ well said thanks . but why do you call him a rabbi ? let us wait hashem should take nukoma in all self hating jews . they are like the people who stayed in mitsriem when hashem took us out of there ”

“ Hechsher tzedek was an attempt by the union to demonstrate that "even jews don't likw rubashkin". My sincere hope is that the truth will come forth very truly. ”

“ the conservative person (notice i will not use the term rabbi) who wrote against Rubashkin, shouldnt be given any credence or attention and then maybe he will just go away. our chazal have always stressed not to engage in any dialogue with conservative and reform clergy, they obviously know what they are talking about. ”

“ So all the people who are screaming, "But Sholom Rubashkin is your brother!" think it's okay to bash rabbis from other movement and to refer to other movements as not Jewish?

Hypocrites. Don't expect them to sign your petitions. ”

“ Is sefira not a time we mourn the death of Rabi Akiva's talmidim because they we not noheg kavod zeh ba zeh. Given some of the comments here about other Jews who might not be as observant as we are it is clear that non of the nihugey aveilus have had any effect on you other than making you feel self righteous and good about yourselves. There are plenty of good people who have not spoken out about Rubashkin because the chillul hashem he created is far worse than anything we have witnessed in a long time. Perhaps he does not deserve life in prison but nor does he deserve to be treated as a malach, as so many people have been treating him. He is a criminal and one who by all accounts did not treat his workers properly. He deserves as much leniency in sentencing as any other person but he should not be turned into some kind of a saint to our community. It does not send the right message. He committed a crime and should be punished for it. ”

“ remember that when it comes yom kippur (if you believe in it)..and when din vechesbon comes along after 120. ”

“ I am sorry to barge in on your history revision, but there were no Conservative or Reform movements in the days of Chazal. ”

“ Is sefira not a time we mourn the death of Rabi Akiva's talmidim because they we not noheg kavod zeh ba zeh. Given some of the comments here about other Jews who might not be as observant as we are it is clear that non of the nihugey aveilus have had any effect on you other than making you feel self righteous and good about yourselves. There are plenty of good people who have not spoken out about Rubashkin because the chillul hashem he created is far worse than anything we have witnessed in a long time. Perhaps he does not deserve life in prison but nor does he deserve to be treated as a malach, as so many people have been treating him. He is a criminal and one who by all accounts did not treat his workers properly. He deserves as much leniency in sentencing as any other person but he should not be turned into some kind of a saint to our community. It does not send the right message. He committed a crime and should be punished for it. ”

“ HOW TRUE!!
it is well know that the OU through SMR under the bus.....ALL WHILE GIVING A HECHSHER TO SHACKLE AND HOIST BY ALLE/MEAL MART!! ”

“ Treated like a malach?

His name has been besmirched, dragged in the mud. Lies, false allegation have been thrown out at him - and you repeat it? He treated his workers very well, above industry standards. You continue the lies and you invoke Rabbi Akiva's name?

Treated like a saint? Tens of millions of dollars in assets has been wrested from him and his family in one day! Everything he worked for is lost!!! Treated like a saint?

His children have been reduced to beg for money for their fathers defense, the family relies on others for groceries and clothes. Treated like a saint? This is not enough for you? Thrown into jail, denied bail, beaten in jail, denied fresh air: treated like a saint???

We are standing up to a gross miscarriage of justice. Do you know what the HIllul HAshem is? That you and others like you, broke every Jewish ethical code. You judged before having the facts, you did not give the benefit of the doubt, you slandered and spread slander, you stood by while a person was being dragged through the mud. THAT is the desecration of G-ds name.

And you dare invoke Rabbi Akiva - who taught veohavta lreacha komocha - zeh klal gadol batorah. ”

“ The OU trashed Rubashkin from the start knowing well that al pi hallacha everything was done 1000%. It was stylish to trash rubashkin then so they jumped on the bandwagon. Then they were poseach al shnay haseifim when they realized that it's about dinei nefashos but too little and too late. ”

“ Please do not include all Modern Orthodox Jews as being supporting this criminal. He deserves the sentence he will receive. He broke the law and he must do the time. A judge will decide the appropriate time. Dina u'malchuta dina! ”

“ Please do not include all Modern Orthodox Jews as being supporting this criminal. He deserves the sentence he will receive. He broke the law and he must do the time. A judge will decide the appropriate time. Dina u'malchuta dina! ”

“ Dear 135-139..
You are wrong to defend Allen. He was the cause because when prosecutors see reactions - they move on it. You know this. Don't try to defend him. He should have spoken. He didn't. He cares more about illegal immigrants and animals than his own people. ”

“ and may the almighty judge as you judge others and happy about it.. and remember 'ein tzaddik boaretz asher yaseh tov vlo yechta' especially from the crowd you come from... ”

“ Dear 135-139..
You are wrong to defend Allen. He was the cause because when prosecutors see reactions - they move on it. You know this. Don't try to defend him. He should have spoken. He didn't. He cares more about illegal immigrants and animals than his own people. ”

“ Dear 135-139..
You are wrong to defend Allen. He was the cause because when prosecutors see reactions - they move on it. You know this. Don't try to defend him. He should have spoken. He didn't. He cares more about illegal immigrants and animals than his own people. ”