Washington - Poll: Chassidic/Orthodox Are Strongest Anti-Obama Group |
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FILE - Right wing supporters of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wave flags from a bridge at the entrance to Jerusalem on 25 March 2010 and call on their leader to be strong against US President Barack Obama, concerning building in Jerusalem and the West Bank, as Netanyahu returns to Israel from his trip to the US.photo by Abir Sultan/Flash 90Washington - A new McLaughlin Group poll shows that nearly half of Jewish-Americans who voted for US President Barack Obama in 2008 would not vote for him again.
When asked if they would: (a) vote to re-elect Obama, or (b) consider voting for someone else. 42% of Jewish-Americans said they would vote for Obama and 46%, a plurality, preferred the second answer. 12% said they did not know or refused to answer.
While it has been apparent that Jewish support for Obama has eroded as his problems with handling Middle East issues, particularly in relation to Israel, continue, the poll results come as a stunner because 78% of Jewish-Americans, or close to 8 out of 10, voted for the Democrat in 2008.
The strongest anti-Obama groups within Jewish-Americans are Hassidic/Orthodox, who polled 69%-17%. Next came Conservative Jews (50%-38%), and then Jewish-Americans with family or friends living in Israel (50%-42%).
Reform Jews still support Obama by a slim margin of 52%-36%.
When asked if they approve of the job Obama is doing, Jewish-Americans voted in favor 50%-39%. Although this may seem good, pollsters at McLaughlin Group note that Jewish-Americans are 59% Democrat at 16% Republican.
A majority of 52% said they disapproved of the idea of the Obama Administration supporting a plan to recognize a Palestinian state within two years. 62% said that if given a state, “the Palestinians would continue their campaign of terror to destroy Israel.” Only 19% thought they would live peacefully with Israel.
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May 09, 2010 at 09:15 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
How ironic. What will the anti chareidim say now?!?!
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May 09, 2010 at 09:39 PM Mentch Says:Report as Inappropriate
I was not one of those Obama "groupies" in 2008, who swooned at every word, which emanated from his speeches. I never believed the story that the Obama campaign floated, to wit that Obama didn't know the contents of the sermons, which Rev. Wright was preaching. How could someone belong to a church for 20 years, and not know what their pastor was preaching, even if they were not in attendance? Secondly, it took nearly two months for Obama to condemn Wright's statements. Hence, if we couldn't believe him regarding Wright, how could we trust him with more important issues? In addition, we were originally informed that Obama quit smoking. However, some contradictory statements were leaked, and we later found out that it was a lie; again, if he is not forthright about a personal health issue, how can he be trusted? It is incredible that 78% of American yehudim fell for the propaganda of his campaign, hook, line, and sinker. It was appalling to see him bow before the Saudi King, and the Emperor of Japan. Last, why is it that he is never seen with his Portugese Water Dog, Bo? President Bush would always be seen with Barney. It is almost as if Bo is an object, that he has no feelings for!
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May 09, 2010 at 09:42 PM Eli Says:Report as Inappropriate
How come these polls never interview me?
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May 09, 2010 at 09:58 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I was not one of those Obama "groupies" in 2008, who swooned at every word, which emanated from his speeches. I never believed the story that the Obama campaign floated, to wit that Obama didn't know the contents of the sermons, which Rev. Wright was preaching. How could someone belong to a church for 20 years, and not know what their pastor was preaching, even if they were not in attendance? Secondly, it took nearly two months for Obama to condemn Wright's statements. Hence, if we couldn't believe him regarding Wright, how could we trust him with more important issues? In addition, we were originally informed that Obama quit smoking. However, some contradictory statements were leaked, and we later found out that it was a lie; again, if he is not forthright about a personal health issue, how can he be trusted? It is incredible that 78% of American yehudim fell for the propaganda of his campaign, hook, line, and sinker. It was appalling to see him bow before the Saudi King, and the Emperor of Japan. Last, why is it that he is never seen with his Portugese Water Dog, Bo? President Bush would always be seen with Barney. It is almost as if Bo is an object, that he has no feelings for! ”
"Last, why is it that he is never seen with his Portugese Water Dog, Bo? President Bush would always be seen with Barney."
This last point is your strongest. I was an Obama supporter until you pointed this out.
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May 09, 2010 at 09:58 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The poll is about a month old (Arutz Sheva just seems to be a bit slow on the uptake) and was done by a Republican polling group (whether this makes it accurate, I do not know; partisan polling can sometimes be just as good, though reading the way the questions are phrased tends to make things seem otherwise)
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May 09, 2010 at 09:59 PM Real Yid Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is a joke considerd that this same group are one of the biggest leechers of the social programs available in America.
Let's not be stupid, we need the dems in office.
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May 09, 2010 at 10:06 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How ironic. What will the anti chareidim say now?!?! ”
"Anti-Charedi" will remind you that you're a small and an insignificant group in terms of voting power on a national scale. You may impact a city council seat or a mayoral election, but you don't have the political weight to influence a presidential election. Majority of Jews in the U.S. do not fall into "Charedi/Orthodox" bracket and that poses another reality in electoral outcomes.
The paradox with the Orthodox world is that it does not fully support the Israeli Zionist establishment, but at the same time it doesn't like to hear the slightest change in U.S. policy towards U.S.-Israel status quo.
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May 09, 2010 at 10:37 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Is this poll to counter the ad last week seen in the Washington Post from the N.K.?
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May 09, 2010 at 10:37 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I did not vote for Obama and I would NEVER vote for him. He is trying to turn this country upside down. He is anti-Israel and very pro-Arab.
What I can't understand is that both Governor and Senate seats are up for re-election in New York State and the Republicans have not put up strong candidates for either seat. They are there for the taking.
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May 09, 2010 at 10:40 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Interesting how the NYT manipulated this data just last week to show that Jews still support Obama in a majority. Confusing his disapproval rating with his approval, rating which of course is much lower.
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May 09, 2010 at 10:57 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I was not one of those Obama "groupies" in 2008, who swooned at every word, which emanated from his speeches. I never believed the story that the Obama campaign floated, to wit that Obama didn't know the contents of the sermons, which Rev. Wright was preaching. How could someone belong to a church for 20 years, and not know what their pastor was preaching, even if they were not in attendance? Secondly, it took nearly two months for Obama to condemn Wright's statements. Hence, if we couldn't believe him regarding Wright, how could we trust him with more important issues? In addition, we were originally informed that Obama quit smoking. However, some contradictory statements were leaked, and we later found out that it was a lie; again, if he is not forthright about a personal health issue, how can he be trusted? It is incredible that 78% of American yehudim fell for the propaganda of his campaign, hook, line, and sinker. It was appalling to see him bow before the Saudi King, and the Emperor of Japan. Last, why is it that he is never seen with his Portugese Water Dog, Bo? President Bush would always be seen with Barney. It is almost as if Bo is an object, that he has no feelings for! ”
I wil argue with you on one thing. I think it's possible for Obama-not to have known what Wright was saying. Just look at him as president-he still hasn't realized what the American people want!! And to whatever extent he does realize;he simply ignores them and goes full steam ahead .
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May 09, 2010 at 11:26 PM tredmeal & weights Says:Report as Inappropriate
Don't even try to run again. one thing I could tell you it mite help you some weight but. you are consider a tupa srucha.
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May 09, 2010 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This is a joke considerd that this same group are one of the biggest leechers of the social programs available in America.
Let's not be stupid, we need the dems in office. ”
We need the dems in office like we need a hole in the head. Regime change begins at home: November 2010.
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May 09, 2010 at 11:28 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "Anti-Charedi" will remind you that you're a small and an insignificant group in terms of voting power on a national scale. You may impact a city council seat or a mayoral election, but you don't have the political weight to influence a presidential election. Majority of Jews in the U.S. do not fall into "Charedi/Orthodox" bracket and that poses another reality in electoral outcomes.
The paradox with the Orthodox world is that it does not fully support the Israeli Zionist establishment, but at the same time it doesn't like to hear the slightest change in U.S. policy towards U.S.-Israel status quo. ”
You're right that Orthodox Jews aren't a powerful voting block in the U.S. but it would be interesting to see if their opinions on Obama track with evangelicals, who are a very powerful voting block in this country.
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May 09, 2010 at 11:31 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This is a joke considerd that this same group are one of the biggest leechers of the social programs available in America.
Let's not be stupid, we need the dems in office. ”
We are only dealing the hand we are dealt. I dont have any programs because I'm not eligible but I know if I would be I would take it and you would too. The problem is that people think the Government has money and its free. The real truth is that the Government is actually taking our own money. Our bosses calculate how much they would like to pay us, which includes taxes he has to pay on behalf of the employee. For example, I may receive 40,000 dollars a year from my boss but in truth I'm costing him 45,000 or more. People may think they are getting free housing but in reality it just raises the prices for everyone.
I wish I could say there is a simple solution but there is none. One thing for sure can help is knowing the facts and when politicians start gloating about the achievements take it with a grain of salt.
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May 10, 2010 at 12:58 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ We are only dealing the hand we are dealt. I dont have any programs because I'm not eligible but I know if I would be I would take it and you would too. The problem is that people think the Government has money and its free. The real truth is that the Government is actually taking our own money. Our bosses calculate how much they would like to pay us, which includes taxes he has to pay on behalf of the employee. For example, I may receive 40,000 dollars a year from my boss but in truth I'm costing him 45,000 or more. People may think they are getting free housing but in reality it just raises the prices for everyone.
I wish I could say there is a simple solution but there is none. One thing for sure can help is knowing the facts and when politicians start gloating about the achievements take it with a grain of salt. ”
Amen. That guy who wrote that we need dems is form the types of Jews in Russia that believed that the Jews needed communism. Boy did the Jews need communism... like a hole in their heads!
Those types will learn only when Obama runs out of the peoples money, and quality of life will take a nose dive like they can't imagine (c"v).
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May 10, 2010 at 01:09 AM RTJ Says:Report as Inappropriate
I don't think that he is god or the messiah, but I'm frum and voted for Obama. As is to be expected, I'm happier with some of his policies than others (the healthcare bill really did not go far enough, but what can you do).
Can't be sure at this point whether or not I'll vote for him next time around - it all depends on who the alternatives are (but if it involves Palin or anyone as brainless, Obama has my vote for sure).
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May 10, 2010 at 03:39 AM The Beadle Says:Report as Inappropriate
Surveys can be made to say whatever you want them too.
Also, as can be seen from the recent UK elections, the way people answer surveys doesn't neccesarily correlate with what they actually do in the voting booth.
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May 10, 2010 at 07:30 AM rsm Says:Report as Inappropriate
Generally, the more 'orthodox' people are, the less of the general media they watch. Without media brain-washing, a person would never assume that Obama did not agree with the radical (and anti-Israel) positions of those he was close with for over a decade, e.g. Wright, Ayers, Khaldi, and others. He is typical of the radical left. His high five with Chavez said it all, a self-proclaimed president-for-life who is seizing control of every domain of his country one business at a time, who limits the media severly, who has been caught red-handed, more than once, supporting the narco-terrorists destabilizing Columbia, etc etc. Obama and his friends want to destroy America and create an 'international council' that will rule it and the world, and of course, only 'party members' will be allowed on that council, for the benefit of humanity, of course.....
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May 10, 2010 at 08:20 AM I agree Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This is a joke considerd that this same group are one of the biggest leechers of the social programs available in America.
Let's not be stupid, we need the dems in office. ”
I would love if the gov't programs which house and feed these people were canceled. Would they still be crying "Socialist" if they had to stop taking gov't money and had to work and pay full rent and actually earn a living?
I think it would be great if the pollsters actually used clips from Jewish news sites like this one and showed what ridiculous ideas people have about the president. The poll would be more fun if it showed how people express why they don't like him.
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May 10, 2010 at 08:41 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I was not one of those Obama "groupies" in 2008, who swooned at every word, which emanated from his speeches. I never believed the story that the Obama campaign floated, to wit that Obama didn't know the contents of the sermons, which Rev. Wright was preaching. How could someone belong to a church for 20 years, and not know what their pastor was preaching, even if they were not in attendance? Secondly, it took nearly two months for Obama to condemn Wright's statements. Hence, if we couldn't believe him regarding Wright, how could we trust him with more important issues? In addition, we were originally informed that Obama quit smoking. However, some contradictory statements were leaked, and we later found out that it was a lie; again, if he is not forthright about a personal health issue, how can he be trusted? It is incredible that 78% of American yehudim fell for the propaganda of his campaign, hook, line, and sinker. It was appalling to see him bow before the Saudi King, and the Emperor of Japan. Last, why is it that he is never seen with his Portugese Water Dog, Bo? President Bush would always be seen with Barney. It is almost as if Bo is an object, that he has no feelings for! ”
U must listen to soan hannity......
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May 10, 2010 at 09:37 AM Bulldog Says:Report as Inappropriate
I would like to see their supporting documentation regarding these numbers. Hasidim we all know! The others, I question. Remember all you Hasidim out there!
If your heroes are Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, shame shame on you!
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May 10, 2010 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Remember these polls do not hit Americans living outside the country -- There are quite a few!!! Get them to vote!!
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May 10, 2010 at 10:26 AM Charlie Hall Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I don't think that he is god or the messiah, but I'm frum and voted for Obama. As is to be expected, I'm happier with some of his policies than others (the healthcare bill really did not go far enough, but what can you do).
Can't be sure at this point whether or not I'll vote for him next time around - it all depends on who the alternatives are (but if it involves Palin or anyone as brainless, Obama has my vote for sure). ”
Well said.
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May 10, 2010 at 10:37 AM clearheaded Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I would love if the gov't programs which house and feed these people were canceled. Would they still be crying "Socialist" if they had to stop taking gov't money and had to work and pay full rent and actually earn a living?
I think it would be great if the pollsters actually used clips from Jewish news sites like this one and showed what ridiculous ideas people have about the president. The poll would be more fun if it showed how people express why they don't like him. ”
Well we Chasisdic/Orthodox would vote Obama out because WE ARE THE TAXPAYERS who support all those public school students with illegal parents. WE ARE THE TAXPAYERS who are paying through our noses for all these ripoff social programs. Of cousre, you will not hear about this because this wouldn't be too sensational for the media to report. It is more sensational to report that we are the ones on welfare.
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May 10, 2010 at 12:49 PM RTJ Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Well we Chasisdic/Orthodox would vote Obama out because WE ARE THE TAXPAYERS who support all those public school students with illegal parents. WE ARE THE TAXPAYERS who are paying through our noses for all these ripoff social programs. Of cousre, you will not hear about this because this wouldn't be too sensational for the media to report. It is more sensational to report that we are the ones on welfare. ”
Your yammering on about the Chasidim being the "TAXPAYERS" that pay for public education is utter nonsense when you acknowledge the reality of the percentage of your community's economy that is conducted in cash "under the table".
It is simply not part of today's heimeshe mentality to contribute their fair share, even while feeding at the same time at the governemnt trough of Section 8, millions of dollars in state aid to yeshivos and on and on.
I certainly don't agree with the whole Rush/Hannity mentality, but even if you are inclined to do so, Chasidim don't fit this bill.
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May 10, 2010 at 01:29 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Unfortunately, there is always low voter turnout among Chareidim. so whomever they will vote for is fairly irrelevant.
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May 10, 2010 at 03:07 PM Paskunyak Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How come these polls never interview me? ”
You're not a Pole you're Hungarian!
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May 10, 2010 at 04:55 PM Bronxboy Says:Report as Inappropriate
aside from low turnouts numbers the ortho/chassidic communities are located in states that overwhelmingly vote Democratic and since the Electoral College decides how a state's votes go, it won't have any major impact on the final outcome.
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May 10, 2010 at 04:59 PM PMO Says:Report as Inappropriate
A few things to keep in mind here:
1. Obama's favorable rating is still higher overall than his negative rating. So while Limbaugh and Beck would like us to believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans are against Obama, the FACTS show something very different, even in Conservative polling.
2. Most of our community would scream bloody murder if a real Conservative came into power. No more welfare, section 8, "child care" handouts, food stamps, etc. It would all be gone. Then what would they do? They might actually have live HONEST lives and work for a living rather than leaching off their neighbors hard work!
3. It is most definitely time for a REAL Conservative revolution in this country (not the phony teabaggers). However, I'm sure I am one of only a handful would be happy with the result of such a change.
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May 10, 2010 at 06:42 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I don't think that he is god or the messiah, but I'm frum and voted for Obama. As is to be expected, I'm happier with some of his policies than others (the healthcare bill really did not go far enough, but what can you do).
Can't be sure at this point whether or not I'll vote for him next time around - it all depends on who the alternatives are (but if it involves Palin or anyone as brainless, Obama has my vote for sure). ”
I have to believe you're liberal & that is why ypu are happy with Obamacare & the rest of his domestic agenda.
I also have to believe that you're Jewish & that EY is dear to you. So please tell me by what measure can you be happy with his policies regarding Israel that would warrant you to vote for him? For that matter what part of his foreign policy are you happy with?
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May 10, 2010 at 07:45 PM RTJ Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I have to believe you're liberal & that is why ypu are happy with Obamacare & the rest of his domestic agenda.
I also have to believe that you're Jewish & that EY is dear to you. So please tell me by what measure can you be happy with his policies regarding Israel that would warrant you to vote for him? For that matter what part of his foreign policy are you happy with? ”
I am Jewish (and frum, and learned in RW yeshivos, and live in a frum community) and I care very depply about Eretz Yisroel and the jews that live there. For this reason, I am eager to see real progress toward a situation where the lives of yidden will not be in the constant peril that they've been in for years. As far as I can see, there hasn't been any real progress toward ending the bloodshed of yidden in Eretz Yisroel since the peace treaty with Egypt (brokered by the much-maligned Carter administration, if I may remind you).
Neither I nor anybody else knows whether the efforts Obama is making will bear fruit in this regard, but I am happy to see him taking the situation seriously and not just letting it stagnate under both conservative and liberal adiminstrations (American and Israeli) as it has for years.
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May 10, 2010 at 09:02 PM clearheaded Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Your yammering on about the Chasidim being the "TAXPAYERS" that pay for public education is utter nonsense when you acknowledge the reality of the percentage of your community's economy that is conducted in cash "under the table".
It is simply not part of today's heimeshe mentality to contribute their fair share, even while feeding at the same time at the governemnt trough of Section 8, millions of dollars in state aid to yeshivos and on and on.
I certainly don't agree with the whole Rush/Hannity mentality, but even if you are inclined to do so, Chasidim don't fit this bill. ”
And your yammering your biased views is utterly discusting when we Chasidim are the majority of taxpayers in Monsey and a good part of Spring Valley . Who do you think owns their properties and houses in Williamsburg if not us Chassidim? And who do you think owns their houses in KJ? And a very large percentage of homeowners in BP as well are Chasidim too, if not the majority. You cannot have section aid, food stamps, and medicaid if you own a home.
And what about all these thousands of businesses large and small owned by Chassidim who are paying their taxes?
Another bum you are, foaming from the mouth shooting garbage and hate.
By the way, I can't remember the last time I ever listened to Rush and Sean Hannity, but if they are sticking up for the hardworking middle class whose money gets stolen by the gov. to pay for their pet projects (poor,poor immigrants)I'm all for it.
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May 10, 2010 at 09:56 PM RTJ Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ And your yammering your biased views is utterly discusting when we Chasidim are the majority of taxpayers in Monsey and a good part of Spring Valley . Who do you think owns their properties and houses in Williamsburg if not us Chassidim? And who do you think owns their houses in KJ? And a very large percentage of homeowners in BP as well are Chasidim too, if not the majority. You cannot have section aid, food stamps, and medicaid if you own a home.
And what about all these thousands of businesses large and small owned by Chassidim who are paying their taxes?
Another bum you are, foaming from the mouth shooting garbage and hate.
By the way, I can't remember the last time I ever listened to Rush and Sean Hannity, but if they are sticking up for the hardworking middle class whose money gets stolen by the gov. to pay for their pet projects (poor,poor immigrants)I'm all for it. ”
Nice try.
Unfortunately, I am a little too familiar with what goes on in the precincts of Williamaburg, etc., due to my many relatives that live there. Yes, some are homeowners; many others make "rental" arrangements specifically to be able to get on the governement programs.
I also have first-hand knowledge how many community institutions amass government money (Head-Start, etc.) and don't provide the intended services (except, of course, on the day the inspectors show up). But I'm sure you don;t know anything about that either.
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May 10, 2010 at 10:21 PM hear nur Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Nice try.
Unfortunately, I am a little too familiar with what goes on in the precincts of Williamaburg, etc., due to my many relatives that live there. Yes, some are homeowners; many others make "rental" arrangements specifically to be able to get on the governement programs.
I also have first-hand knowledge how many community institutions amass government money (Head-Start, etc.) and don't provide the intended services (except, of course, on the day the inspectors show up). But I'm sure you don;t know anything about that either. ”
":Yes, some are homeowners; many others make "rental" arrangements specifically to be able to get on the governement programs."
Hear ye, hear ye, some homowners make rental arrangements. And what do you think I don't know that there are bad apples in the bucket? But to you SOME own and the REST rent. So basically what your telling me is that Williamsburg and the rest of the Chassidic communities are owned by a few people (how many exactly, ten, twenty, thirty - if you know the inside information then give us some numbers as well) and the REST of us simply pay rent. Thank you for enlightening me.
Very nice, however, the rest of us (which in reality are the MAJORITY, despite your attempts at distortion) will not take the blame for these theives (who need the money for Bugaboo carriages).
By the way, since you love to spew misinformation and dirty the name of ALL Chasidim, I highly doubt the rest of your comments. How exactly would you all of a sudden fill up classes with kids from one day to the next? Nice try for you.
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May 10, 2010 at 11:21 PM Next Tea Party is Nov 2, 2010!! Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I don't think that he is god or the messiah, but I'm frum and voted for Obama. As is to be expected, I'm happier with some of his policies than others (the healthcare bill really did not go far enough, but what can you do).
Can't be sure at this point whether or not I'll vote for him next time around - it all depends on who the alternatives are (but if it involves Palin or anyone as brainless, Obama has my vote for sure). ”
For you and anyone who would vote for Obuma again, election day is Nov 7, 2012. Happy voting!
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May 10, 2010 at 11:25 PM Next Tea Party is Nov 2, 2010!! Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I don't think that he is god or the messiah, but I'm frum and voted for Obama. As is to be expected, I'm happier with some of his policies than others (the healthcare bill really did not go far enough, but what can you do).
Can't be sure at this point whether or not I'll vote for him next time around - it all depends on who the alternatives are (but if it involves Palin or anyone as brainless, Obama has my vote for sure). ”
You people can vote for whom you want. Thank God you are a minority and in the overall scheme of things doesnt make one blasted bit of a difference what stupid NY'ers do because all the sane people who OBVIOUSLY dont live in NY will vote the Mini-Chavez out.
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May 11, 2010 at 12:19 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I am Jewish (and frum, and learned in RW yeshivos, and live in a frum community) and I care very depply about Eretz Yisroel and the jews that live there. For this reason, I am eager to see real progress toward a situation where the lives of yidden will not be in the constant peril that they've been in for years. As far as I can see, there hasn't been any real progress toward ending the bloodshed of yidden in Eretz Yisroel since the peace treaty with Egypt (brokered by the much-maligned Carter administration, if I may remind you).
Neither I nor anybody else knows whether the efforts Obama is making will bear fruit in this regard, but I am happy to see him taking the situation seriously and not just letting it stagnate under both conservative and liberal adiminstrations (American and Israeli) as it has for years. ”
So if your frum & from RW yeshivos, then you must know that the final golus is golus yishmoel.
My friend this is the last milchama until moshiach. The arabs do not want peace. Every concession forced on Israel brought them more misery & death. Not peace!
Every concession to the Arabs is viewed as weakness. What has become of Oslo. Certainly it wasn't Israel' s faullt that there was no treaty. When Arafat was offered everything he still opted for war. This nothing but naivete at best to think that forcing Israel into a treaty will stop this war.
Now we have a nuclear Iran making threats, & it's mind boggling to think that Obama has effectively put on par Iran on the same page as Israel.
PS. I'm probably alot older than you, but for your information the Egyptian peace treaty was done by Sadat & Begin. In fact Carter was upset that they were meeting secretly, because he had this grandiose idea of some summit where he would imposae some sort of treaty. When he found out that Begin & Sadat were going to go alone he insisted that it be done with the US under his guidance. You don't have to believe me, but go to the newspaper article that were written then & you will see that I am right
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May 11, 2010 at 05:31 AM gop2010 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I am Jewish (and frum, and learned in RW yeshivos, and live in a frum community) and I care very depply about Eretz Yisroel and the jews that live there. For this reason, I am eager to see real progress toward a situation where the lives of yidden will not be in the constant peril that they've been in for years. As far as I can see, there hasn't been any real progress toward ending the bloodshed of yidden in Eretz Yisroel since the peace treaty with Egypt (brokered by the much-maligned Carter administration, if I may remind you).
Neither I nor anybody else knows whether the efforts Obama is making will bear fruit in this regard, but I am happy to see him taking the situation seriously and not just letting it stagnate under both conservative and liberal adiminstrations (American and Israeli) as it has for years. ”
I understand completly,the way to peace is condemming israel for some houses in jerusalem which the goverment never promised to freeze.But utter silence when a pa "peace"police officer killed a sralei soldier.Utter silence on any terror incident in israel,unlike bush or even clinton.Yes, that's the way to go!
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May 11, 2010 at 05:39 AM gop2010 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ A few things to keep in mind here:
1. Obama's favorable rating is still higher overall than his negative rating. So while Limbaugh and Beck would like us to believe that the overwhelming majority of Americans are against Obama, the FACTS show something very different, even in Conservative polling.
2. Most of our community would scream bloody murder if a real Conservative came into power. No more welfare, section 8, "child care" handouts, food stamps, etc. It would all be gone. Then what would they do? They might actually have live HONEST lives and work for a living rather than leaching off their neighbors hard work!
3. It is most definitely time for a REAL Conservative revolution in this country (not the phony teabaggers). However, I'm sure I am one of only a handful would be happy with the result of such a change. ”
Not so fast.Some polling does not give him a net gain,you are wrong there.Moreover american's are against his policies like healthcare"reform",and the numbers probaly won't be getting any better as more and more of the gop's points are being validated.Like the center for medicaid and medicare(a non partisian goverment office)report showing obama's plan would raise premiums,unrealistic cuts in medicare and medicaid,and put many hospitals in the red.And the new report showing costs going up as early as this fall.As for calling for a complete weldare cut in this country it's a nice idea, but no one can do it.It would cause a massive program.And please keep your mouth clean and don't use nivvul peh,when speaking bout the tea party.
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May 11, 2010 at 08:28 AM clearheaded Says:Report as Inappropriate
to #35 I use the posting names hear nur and clearheaded on VIN (I like both and can't decide which one to stick with-so I use both) On this thread I used clearheaded, but mistakenly posted the name hear nur for post #36. The posting name should've been clearheaded and obviously my comment #36 was in response to your comment #35.
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May 11, 2010 at 12:50 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Well we Chasisdic/Orthodox would vote Obama out because WE ARE THE TAXPAYERS who support all those public school students with illegal parents. WE ARE THE TAXPAYERS who are paying through our noses for all these ripoff social programs. Of cousre, you will not hear about this because this wouldn't be too sensational for the media to report. It is more sensational to report that we are the ones on welfare. ”
I think all the Hassidim should register for the new term in public school. I understand it costs the city about $18,000 a year for each and every child. (Someone correct me if this is not correct.) I think they would agree to pay half that amount to send them to yeshiva instead! (Anyway the people living in the projects are paying all the taxes to pay for all these children going through the public school system!) The HASSIDIM from wiliamsburg aren't paying any taxes!
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May 16, 2010 at 05:41 AM ghj Says:Report as Inappropriate
Commenting on the poll, Mort Klein, president of the ZOA, said, "American Jews have been given cause for deep concern about the President's harsh policy towards Israel and indulgent one towards the Arab and Muslim worlds."
The problems noted by Mr. Klein include: the Obama administration's decision to "court" Israel's sworn enemies, including Iran and Syria; Mr. Obama's "writing off" Jewish claims to statehood "as sort of consolation prize for the Holocaust" in his June 2009 speech in Cairo; the anti-Israel track records of numerous Obama advisers on the Middle East; the "coupling" of America's commitment to the Jewish state's security with Israel's forced "respect" for the "legitimate claims and rights" of the Palestinians; and the Obama administration's condemnation, "as an insult to America," of Israel's announcement that it will build homes for Jews in a Jewish neighborhood in eastern Jerusalem, "while increasing aid to the PAthat refuses to make concessions or end terrorism or incitement to hatred and murder against Israel."
"American Jews appear to have noticed and are worried--with reason," said Mr. Klein.