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View of Jerusalm from Mt OlivesIsrael - Beset by questions about the future of Jerusalem in talks with the Palestinians, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin reached for the Bible on Wednesday to stake out the Jewish state’s disputed claim on the city.
Netanyahu told a parliamentary session commemorating Israel’s capture of East Jerusalem from Jordan in the 1967 war that “Jerusalem” and its alternative Hebrew name “Zion” appear 850 times in the Old Testament, Judaism’s core canon.
“As to how many times Jerusalem is mentioned in the holy scriptures of other faiths, I recommend you check,” he said.
Citing such ancestry, Israel calls all of Jerusalem its “indivisible” capital—a designation not recognised abroad, where many powers support Palestinian claims to East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state.
Destroyed as a Jewish capital by the Romans in the 1st century AD, Jerusalem was a Christian city under their Byzantine successors before falling to Muslim Arabs in the 7th. European Crusaders took it back for a century before 700 years of Muslim control until Britain defeated the Ottoman Turks in 1917.
As Britain prepared to quit, the United Nations proposed international rule for the city in 1947 as a “corpus separatum.” That proposal was overtaken by fighting that left Israel holding West Jerusalem in 1948 and Jordanian forces in East Jerusalem. Israel then took the rest in the Six Day War of 1967.
The city, within boundaries defined by Israel but not recognized internationally, is now home to 750,000 people, two in three of them Jews and the rest mostly Muslim Palestinians.
Jerusalem is also revered by Muslims around the world because it houses al-Aqsa mosque, Islam’s third-holiest shrine after Mecca and Medina, on a plaza that Jews revere as the vestige of two biblical Jewish temples.
Heckled by a lawmaker from Israel’s Arab minority, Netanyahu offered a lesson in comparative religion from the lectern. “Because you asked: Jerusalem is mentioned 142 times in the New Testament, and none of the 16 various Arabic names for Jerusalem is menioned in the Koran. But in an expanded interpretation of the Koran from the 12th century, one passage is said to refer to Jerusalem,” he said.
Netanyahu did not refer in his speech to indirect peace negotiations with the Palestinians that resumed this month after 1 1/2 years of U.S. mediation. But he said Israel would retain all of Jerusalem while ensuring freedom of worship at its sites.
Such assertions are challenged by Palestinians given that Israel, over the last decade of fighting, has often banned their access to al-Aqsa. Christians in the adjacent West Bank complain of similar difficulties in reaching Jerusalem churches. “There is no undercutting, nor do I intend to undercut, the connection of others to Jerusalem,” Netanyahu said.
“But I do confront the attempt to undercut and warp or obfuscate the unique connection that we, the people of Israel, have to the capital of Israel.”
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May 12, 2010 at 10:43 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Torah Its forbidin to end the exile and establish a army until hashem redeems us.
Untill then we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world,
Hashem has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (god 4bid. may we be spared) terrible punishment.
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May 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Does Nethanyahu know that the Torah says that you should keep Shabbos, etc etc etc
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May 12, 2010 at 10:52 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Way to go Bibi. Its about time to set the record straight. Udvar Hashem Meyerushalayim.
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May 12, 2010 at 10:56 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
While probably every yid agrees that Yerushalayim is the eternal capital of EY going back to the days of Moishe Rabenu, we also have to accept the reality that the most of the rest of the world (aside from the Christian evangelical types whose agenda for yidden is suspect) do not view the geography issue as a settled matter. We have to find some political accomodation on the broader set of issues with the palestinians before we will ever have shalom al yerushalayim.
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May 12, 2010 at 11:05 AM FOCUS Says:Report as Inappropriate
there are 613 mitzvos which netanyahu ignores and now he quotes the torah. what a hypoocrit!
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May 12, 2010 at 11:17 AM Sarcastic Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is the reason they never learn Navi in Satmar. One can come to dangerous conclusions.
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May 12, 2010 at 11:17 AM Askupeh Says:Report as Inappropriate
This article fails to mention that the United Nations partitioned Eretz Yisroel, and Israel accepted it but the Arabs (there were no “Palestinians” yet) rejected it, they wanted all of it, or rather wanted even more that the Jews shouldn’t have any of it.
Bravo Netanyahu for stating it like it is. You remind me when Abba Eban in 1948 was challenged in the United Nations to show the Jewish people’s rights to Eretz Yisroel, he took out a Bible and said: this is our legal document to Eretz Yisroel.
If you’re reading this let me give you some advice. On the next occasion that you are challenged on Yerushalayim, have on you a Bar Kochba Shekel with the Hebrew words engraved on it “Legeulas Yisroel” and Lecheirus Yerushalayim” (to the redemption of Israel and to the freedom of Yerushalayim), show it and turn the tables on them by asking: 1) are the Arabs “Yisroel”? 2) For whom was Yerushalayim freed, for the Arabs, or for the Jews?
It’s sad that we Jews remain on the defensive whenever we are confronted by revisionists of history. It’s time that we go on the offensive and show the truth even ad nauseum, only then might we make a dent. Let’s call their bluff, once and for all.
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May 12, 2010 at 11:24 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
he gave the speatch before the pork sandwitch or after. even my spanish worker was laffing his hed off even he understood what a joke
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May 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Torah Its forbidin to end the exile and establish a army until hashem redeems us.
Untill then we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world,
Hashem has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (god 4bid. may we be spared) terrible punishment. ”
I thought Neturei Karta didn't use the internet?
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May 12, 2010 at 11:33 AM yeedle Says:Report as Inappropriate
What great news it is to here that Bibi is about to become the first PM of the state to observe the commandments of the holy torah! How weird it is that it isn't being posted only regarding some silly statement about Jerusalem...
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May 12, 2010 at 11:33 AM Maskim up to a point Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Torah Its forbidin to end the exile and establish a army until hashem redeems us.
Untill then we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world,
Hashem has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (god 4bid. may we be spared) terrible punishment. ”
Many Israelis would be ok if Israel were still under British rule and they were able to live there in peace. However, currently the only option is us keeping Israel as a sovereign nation, or giving it to the Palestinians. The second we give it over to Palestinians Hamas takes over and marches every last Jew into a gas chamber or slaughters them in their homes. Don't be blind brainwashed and stupid. Yes, Lchatchilah we aren't supposed to have our own army and govt over EY but now that we do THERE IS NO GOING BACK!
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May 12, 2010 at 11:36 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ there are 613 mitzvos which netanyahu ignores and now he quotes the torah. what a hypoocrit! ”
I'm sure your perfect...
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May 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I thought Neturei Karta didn't use the internet? ”
I was shocked too... The self hatred of the "religious" is spewing... Oh I wish the Pasuk of "Meharsayich Umachriviayich Mimeayich yitzeu" would stop... when will yidden realize that it is for the benefit of all that Israel and Jerusalem remain ours and STRONG...
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May 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM esther Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ he gave the speatch before the pork sandwitch or after. even my spanish worker was laffing his hed off even he understood what a joke ”
who are you to judge another jew so harshly and on an assumption at that? he said a tremendous truth min hatorah on a national stage!
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May 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM Askupeh (part 1) Says:Report as Inappropriate
No wonder Moshiach has not come yet; because if he did today, the Eirav Rav with Shtreimel and Beketchas would say: “go home, we prefer the Arabs over you”. No, I am not saying this in jest, but I’m dead earnest. We Jews Nebech don’t want Moshiach. We would rather wallow in stupidity (comment #’s 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, and 13) and take a suicide approach, then confront reality (comment #14). Yes, there is no turning back; the Arabs are going to kill you regardless if you were for the establishment of the State of Israel or you were against. To them we are all the same. When will you stupid brothers understand that we are all on the same boat, and if it sinks, all of us will G-d forbid drown.
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May 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM Askupeh (part 2) Says:Report as Inappropriate
Morei Verabosei, in theory and theologically I too was/am (wasn’t born yet in 1948!) against the establishment of the State of Israel, but this is neither here nor there. The Satmarer Rebbe ZT”L prayed that Medinas Yisroel ONLY be replaced with Rachmim Vechasodim by Moshiach Tzidkeinu. He called the Arabs “ROTZCHIM” (look it up please). The people who claim to go in his footsteps created a “Natrina”, which is the Neturei Karta in disguise, Der Zelba Yenta Andersh Geshleiyert. Ironically, it will be the Treifina internet which will bring most of our idiots to their senses, but Ribboinoi Shel Oilom how much longer do we still have to wait?
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May 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM Paskunyak Says:Report as Inappropriate
If only Netanyahu would say "G-d gave us this land!" Dayenu.
If only Netanyahu would believe that Hashem is the architecht of the universe
and the Torah is his plan. Dayenu.
If only Netanyahu would realize that the Torah was given to us by Hashem through Moshe Rabeinu's hand. [not man made like all other religions] Dayenu.
If only........
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May 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM Shua Cohen Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ there are 613 mitzvos which netanyahu ignores and now he quotes the torah. what a hypoocrit! ”
Tanach is not only our source for halachah, but it is a source for our history, as well. Of course, it would be nice if Netanyahu was a shomer Torah u'mitzvos, but barring that, there is no hypocrisy involved in his using Tanach to make valid, historical connections between Klal Yisrael and our Iyr HaKodesh.
P.S. Rather than looking at Netanyahu negatively, might one not be hopeful that it is his pintel yid which causes him to identify so strongly with Yerushalayim and to fight for her on behalf of the Jewish nation? I think so.
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May 12, 2010 at 12:25 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Interesting that the Reuter's columnist was able to use the correct title of the Muslim holy book, but instead of Torah he used "Old Testament".
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May 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM Obamanation Says:Report as Inappropriate
to all the Bibi nockers, can some one show me where in the torah it says that if you dont keep part of the torah you shouldn't keep none of it and not beleave in it at all ??? and to #5 do you know for a fact that he does'nt keep 613 mitzvois, i know for a fact that he keeps alot of it!!!
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May 12, 2010 at 12:48 PM Living in the holy land Says:Report as Inappropriate
Hey my dear brothers, let's cut the fight and hate. A. Yes it might be true that the holy city belonges to us because of the bible, but it's still ironic that this statement came from a jew that does not practice anything else that says there. B. Most gedolim held that we have no authority to create a state, but for heaven's sake, who doesn't want moshiach?! Let's stop this nonsense and hate that repeats itself every day on this same subject!
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May 12, 2010 at 12:53 PM Askupeh Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Tanach is not only our source for halachah, but it is a source for our history, as well. Of course, it would be nice if Netanyahu was a shomer Torah u'mitzvos, but barring that, there is no hypocrisy involved in his using Tanach to make valid, historical connections between Klal Yisrael and our Iyr HaKodesh.
P.S. Rather than looking at Netanyahu negatively, might one not be hopeful that it is his pintel yid which causes him to identify so strongly with Yerushalayim and to fight for her on behalf of the Jewish nation? I think so. ”
Shua, we are talking to the wall. Look at the above comments; I wouldn’t have believed it if I wouldn't have seen it with my own eyes. View Netanyahu as a Shliach (a Shliach of Israel, if you like it or not); does it make a difference how religious he is? To me it makes a difference what he says, and what he says is the absolute TRUTH. That's all that should matter.
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May 12, 2010 at 12:59 PM mesader kidishin Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This article fails to mention that the United Nations partitioned Eretz Yisroel, and Israel accepted it but the Arabs (there were no “Palestinians” yet) rejected it, they wanted all of it, or rather wanted even more that the Jews shouldn’t have any of it.
Bravo Netanyahu for stating it like it is. You remind me when Abba Eban in 1948 was challenged in the United Nations to show the Jewish people’s rights to Eretz Yisroel, he took out a Bible and said: this is our legal document to Eretz Yisroel.
If you’re reading this let me give you some advice. On the next occasion that you are challenged on Yerushalayim, have on you a Bar Kochba Shekel with the Hebrew words engraved on it “Legeulas Yisroel” and Lecheirus Yerushalayim” (to the redemption of Israel and to the freedom of Yerushalayim), show it and turn the tables on them by asking: 1) are the Arabs “Yisroel”? 2) For whom was Yerushalayim freed, for the Arabs, or for the Jews?
It’s sad that we Jews remain on the defensive whenever we are confronted by revisionists of history. It’s time that we go on the offensive and show the truth even ad nauseum, only then might we make a dent. Let’s call their bluff, once and for all. ”
thats y bar kochva was killed for not keeping hashems word to live with peace with all nations & ecxept gezeires hagules
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May 12, 2010 at 01:09 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
As I was saying hallel this morning with a bracha in my shul and wondering how so many of my brothers could not see the hand of g-d working in our times it made sad on this joyous day. It will all will work out when the hate between us stops. Until then do the best you can and don't worry so much about what i do
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May 12, 2010 at 01:17 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Don't u think its silly that there probably isn't one jew who keeps 613 mitzvos yet everyone knows its best to don't u think its silly that the ppl who don't keep 613 mitzvos hate someone for at least keeping one and what's so bad about a jew living in isreal keeping at least one in a very proud way
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May 12, 2010 at 01:17 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Who are we to judge another persons on how he or she practices their faith. Understand that jersulam is jewish land and is not arab land. It was named plastine by the romans not arabs.to change the area and give the arabs wat is ours is wrong and suicidle
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May 12, 2010 at 01:34 PM Askupeh Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ thats y bar kochva was killed for not keeping hashems word to live with peace with all nations & ecxept gezeires hagules ”
Not true; he had the backing of Rebbi Akiva who was Rosh Lachachomim the greatest sage of his generation, of whom Moshe Rabbeinu asked Hashem why not give the Torah through Rebbi Akiva; that's how great he was. He was a Ger (convert) or the son of Geirim (two opinions) and nevertheless rose so high. His way of death is THE lesson of Kiddush Hashem, "Mosei Yovoi Veyekayemenu". Bar Kochba was defeated ONLY AFTER he went against the Chachomim and killed Reb Eliezer, that's what the Gemora says. His army was the Talmidei Chachomim of his generation (some say his 24 thousand Talmidim) so please, get your facts right.
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May 12, 2010 at 01:45 PM Charlie Hall Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Torah Its forbidin to end the exile and establish a army until hashem redeems us.
Untill then we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world,
Hashem has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (god 4bid. may we be spared) terrible punishment. ”
Please cite the pasuk in Chumash that forbids this.
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May 12, 2010 at 01:48 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While probably every yid agrees that Yerushalayim is the eternal capital of EY going back to the days of Moishe Rabenu, we also have to accept the reality that the most of the rest of the world (aside from the Christian evangelical types whose agenda for yidden is suspect) do not view the geography issue as a settled matter. We have to find some political accomodation on the broader set of issues with the palestinians before we will ever have shalom al yerushalayim. ”
I totally disagree with you. When the Yidden will state simply and clearly that this is our land from the Torah, this is the only way that the nations of the world will learn to accept it as a fact and will stop to attempt to change a biblical fact. Using political considerations will only obfuscate the issue and allow for negotiations and compromises.
If America decides to forbid shechita (ch"v) would you win the case to allow shechita by proving that it is more humane than other methods of slaughtering the animal or will you win by saying shechita is a Torah rule which cannot be changed.
If America were to forbid bris mila would you argue that it is best for the child to have a bris from a medical point of view or would you say this is Torah and it cannot be changed.
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May 12, 2010 at 02:08 PM Shua Cohen Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Shua, we are talking to the wall. Look at the above comments; I wouldn’t have believed it if I wouldn't have seen it with my own eyes. View Netanyahu as a Shliach (a Shliach of Israel, if you like it or not); does it make a difference how religious he is? To me it makes a difference what he says, and what he says is the absolute TRUTH. That's all that should matter. ”
I just read an astonishing fact on Wikipedia which I had never known before: Netanyahu is a descendant of the Vilna Gaon on his paternal side. [source: Tidhar, David: Entsiklopediyah le-halutse ha-yishuv u-vonav, v.1, pp.186–187].
All the naysayers should consider that it is perhaps in this z'chus that Netanyahu's daughter Noa is a ba'ales teshuva, and that his first grandchild through her, Shmuel (whose bris was this past October), is now...gulp...FFB. (Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau, shlit"a, was m'kuved the Brachas.)
Askupeh, maybe this "truth" will eventually penetrate the obscurantists' "wall" that you referred to...which is really not so solid, but only a smoke screen for their own insecurities.
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May 12, 2010 at 02:22 PM Askupeh Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I just read an astonishing fact on Wikipedia which I had never known before: Netanyahu is a descendant of the Vilna Gaon on his paternal side. [source: Tidhar, David: Entsiklopediyah le-halutse ha-yishuv u-vonav, v.1, pp.186–187].
All the naysayers should consider that it is perhaps in this z'chus that Netanyahu's daughter Noa is a ba'ales teshuva, and that his first grandchild through her, Shmuel (whose bris was this past October), is now...gulp...FFB. (Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau, shlit"a, was m'kuved the Brachas.)
Askupeh, maybe this "truth" will eventually penetrate the obscurantists' "wall" that you referred to...which is really not so solid, but only a smoke screen for their own insecurities. ”
Let's hope that you are correct, Nichamti. I would also like to add to what you brought that Bibi is an Einikel of the Vilna Gaon, which I also once heard, that Bibi's father Professor Benzion Netanyahu who wrote the definitive biography of the Abarbanel; his father was a Rov in the Lita whose name was Reb Nosen something. From him comes the name Nethanyahu.
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May 12, 2010 at 03:23 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Torah Its forbidin to end the exile and establish a army until hashem redeems us.
Untill then we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world,
Hashem has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (god 4bid. may we be spared) terrible punishment. ”
This is not one of the 3 cardinal sins, so if saving Jewish lives is involved, which it most certainly is when it comes to the situation in Israel and giving back land to terrorists, then yes, the Torah commands us to keep control of OUR land. It is OUR land, period.
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May 12, 2010 at 03:40 PM dark glasses Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ there are 613 mitzvos which netanyahu ignores and now he quotes the torah. what a hypoocrit! ”
Why do you view things through such dark glasses? When a Yid does something right, say "good" and "yasher koach".
In addition, it is wrong to say that he is a hypocrite for that, because the statement he made is in true accordance to the inner belief of his Neshama. Rather, a Jew is being hypocritical when he does an *Aveira,* since THAT is inconsistent with what his Neshama feels and knows to be true.
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May 12, 2010 at 03:44 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Interesting that the Reuter's columnist was able to use the correct title of the Muslim holy book, but instead of Torah he used "Old Testament". ”
Good point.
Also, while he doesn't at all specify on Jewish history in EY before the Churban, he proceeds to start from the churban and tells us in details every mamzer who laid their dirty hands on Ir Hakodesh.
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May 12, 2010 at 03:48 PM Gaon Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I just read an astonishing fact on Wikipedia which I had never known before: Netanyahu is a descendant of the Vilna Gaon on his paternal side. [source: Tidhar, David: Entsiklopediyah le-halutse ha-yishuv u-vonav, v.1, pp.186–187].
All the naysayers should consider that it is perhaps in this z'chus that Netanyahu's daughter Noa is a ba'ales teshuva, and that his first grandchild through her, Shmuel (whose bris was this past October), is now...gulp...FFB. (Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau, shlit"a, was m'kuved the Brachas.)
Askupeh, maybe this "truth" will eventually penetrate the obscurantists' "wall" that you referred to...which is really not so solid, but only a smoke screen for their own insecurities. ”
The Vilna Gaon is zicher a groise zach. However, you should not have to look to that to be nispoel: Every Yid is a descendant of Avraham, Yitzchok and Yaakov!!! Every Yid is a ben yochid of HKB"H!
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May 12, 2010 at 03:56 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
To everyone bashing Netanyahu's observance, he has 2 FRUM children. Say what you will about him, but he must have done something right with them.
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May 12, 2010 at 03:59 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Torah Its forbidin to end the exile and establish a army until hashem redeems us.
Untill then we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world,
Hashem has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (god 4bid. may we be spared) terrible punishment. ”
Where did you get this shtussim from? Does the Torah forbid self-defence?
If you want to know what really brings upon us Hashem's terrible punishment r"l look in the nevuos of Yeshaya and Yermiyahu for bayis rishon and the g'morroh in Hanizokin (Gittin) for bayis sheni.
Cherev bo leoilom al hamoirim batorah sheloi kahalocho.
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May 12, 2010 at 04:01 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What great news it is to here that Bibi is about to become the first PM of the state to observe the commandments of the holy torah! How weird it is that it isn't being posted only regarding some silly statement about Jerusalem... ”
Begin was (fairly) frum
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May 12, 2010 at 04:14 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While probably every yid agrees that Yerushalayim is the eternal capital of EY going back to the days of Moishe Rabenu, we also have to accept the reality that the most of the rest of the world (aside from the Christian evangelical types whose agenda for yidden is suspect) do not view the geography issue as a settled matter. We have to find some political accomodation on the broader set of issues with the palestinians before we will ever have shalom al yerushalayim. ”
why do we have to repeat and repeat and repeat the fact that was proooven again and again and again, the only settlement yismaels prah adom offspring is the annihilation of klaal yisroel. c'v
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May 12, 2010 at 04:23 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To everyone bashing Netanyahu's observance, he has 2 FRUM children. Say what you will about him, but he must have done something right with them. ”
Also, Silvan Shalom's son is also religious along with Avigdor Lieberman's wife and daughter (both are chozrot b'tshuvah).
Contrast that with the left where Labor has their first intermarried MK!
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May 12, 2010 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Torah Its forbidin to end the exile and establish a army until hashem redeems us.
Untill then we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world,
Hashem has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (god 4bid. may we be spared) terrible punishment. ”
sorry sir, but can you tell me where it says that you are not permitted to establish an army for self defence?
Can you tell me who disagrees with the rule "haba l'hargecha, hashkeim v'hargoi?
Can you tell me where it says that the Warsaw ghetto uprising was forbidden according to halacha because they formed an army?
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May 12, 2010 at 05:32 PM Shua Cohen Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Vilna Gaon is zicher a groise zach. However, you should not have to look to that to be nispoel: Every Yid is a descendant of Avraham, Yitzchok and Yaakov!!! Every Yid is a ben yochid of HKB"H! ”
What you say is very true, but tragically in our day, we don't really know who is a true yid and who is a descendant of the eruv rav. I don't have time to look it up right now, but I recently read the opinion of a gadol b'Yisrael that many Israeli politicians and intellectuals (of certain leftist persuasions) are indeed descended from the eruv rav...and therefore pose a serious danger to Klal Yisrael. Clearly, Netanyahu is not among them, thank G-d.
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May 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Does Nethanyahu know how many times it's in the Torah to keep Shabbos, not to Mechalel Shabbos, Not to Eat Treif, to keep kosher Family
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May 12, 2010 at 06:14 PM the FIRST sane comment! Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This article fails to mention that the United Nations partitioned Eretz Yisroel, and Israel accepted it but the Arabs (there were no “Palestinians” yet) rejected it, they wanted all of it, or rather wanted even more that the Jews shouldn’t have any of it.
Bravo Netanyahu for stating it like it is. You remind me when Abba Eban in 1948 was challenged in the United Nations to show the Jewish people’s rights to Eretz Yisroel, he took out a Bible and said: this is our legal document to Eretz Yisroel.
If you’re reading this let me give you some advice. On the next occasion that you are challenged on Yerushalayim, have on you a Bar Kochba Shekel with the Hebrew words engraved on it “Legeulas Yisroel” and Lecheirus Yerushalayim” (to the redemption of Israel and to the freedom of Yerushalayim), show it and turn the tables on them by asking: 1) are the Arabs “Yisroel”? 2) For whom was Yerushalayim freed, for the Arabs, or for the Jews?
It’s sad that we Jews remain on the defensive whenever we are confronted by revisionists of history. It’s time that we go on the offensive and show the truth even ad nauseum, only then might we make a dent. Let’s call their bluff, once and for all. ”
thank you for clarifying the Facts
a rare luxury when dealing with self-hating-shameful-liberal-jews
yes its a breath of fresh air to have the FACTUAL history factored in! rather than the intellectually-blind appeasers who naiively believe the ARABS want real-peace (HALEVAY)
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May 12, 2010 at 08:03 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What you say is very true, but tragically in our day, we don't really know who is a true yid and who is a descendant of the eruv rav. I don't have time to look it up right now, but I recently read the opinion of a gadol b'Yisrael that many Israeli politicians and intellectuals (of certain leftist persuasions) are indeed descended from the eruv rav...and therefore pose a serious danger to Klal Yisrael. Clearly, Netanyahu is not among them, thank G-d. ”
oh yes , 'in our day we dont know who is a true yid '. can you tell where you get these rediculous statements? i can trace my lineage all the way to rebe reb hershele, rashi dovid hamaelech, aron hakohes, and so with anybody from my circles and there is plenty. where do come from tha tyou cant trace your lineage?
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May 12, 2010 at 08:21 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
to all the faithful keepers of 613 mitzvos, where does it say we need to be police on how others keep the 613 mitzvos?????????
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May 12, 2010 at 08:36 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Torah Its forbidin to end the exile and establish a army until hashem redeems us.
Untill then we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world,
Hashem has warned us that if we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (god 4bid. may we be spared) terrible punishment. ”
Where does it say that? I have not seen it in my Shulcan Aruch.
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May 12, 2010 at 10:08 PM Shua Cohen Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ oh yes , 'in our day we dont know who is a true yid '. can you tell where you get these rediculous statements? i can trace my lineage all the way to rebe reb hershele, rashi dovid hamaelech, aron hakohes, and so with anybody from my circles and there is plenty. where do come from tha tyou cant trace your lineage? ”
In response to my statement that "in our day we don't really know who is a true yid and who is a descendant of the eruv rav" you wrote: "can you tell where you get these ridiculous statements?" I am nonplussed by your question.
The Divrei Chaim zt"l wrote: “Before the coming of Mashiach many of the Jews of the generation, due to our many sins, will be from the eruv rav who want to rule over the public, and all their actions are only for their own sake, to acquire honor and money." [The Divrei Chaim wrote these prescient words in the 19th century; sounds like some 21st century Israeli politicians, yes?]
The Vilna Gaon wrote, in "Even Shlomo," that "the selection and purification of Israel will not be complete until the eruv rav separates from Israel completely, because they are very attached to the Jews and the Jews learn from their actions."
So Mr. descendant-of-Aron-HaKohes (???)," these are just two of the many sources for my...uh...so-called "ridiculous" statement. And you, my friend, on top of a huge attitudinal adjustment, need to improve your education in our Mesorah, and in your basic spelling and grammar skills.
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May 12, 2010 at 11:45 PM Tuvia Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I thought Neturei Karta didn't use the internet? ”
The two guys in their propaganda department sometimes get on the internet...
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May 13, 2010 at 12:31 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I wonder if all the people making negative comments keep all the 613 mitzvot themselves;hilchot lashen hara covers several mitzvot asseh and lo tasseh.
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May 13, 2010 at 12:37 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ to all the faithful keepers of 613 mitzvos, where does it say we need to be police on how others keep the 613 mitzvos????????? ”
kol yisroel areivim zeh lazeh, means exactly that. you are even responsible to make sure that someone else keeps his arvus and responsibility towards others. there are many many more examples of this din.
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May 13, 2010 at 12:47 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Netanyahu has an I. Q. Of 180
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May 13, 2010 at 05:16 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I wonder if all the people making negative comments keep all the 613 mitzvot themselves;hilchot lashen hara covers several mitzvot asseh and lo tasseh. ”
and people like you the onlt mitzvo ypu know i lashon horah(and only when its against oivrey torah where lodhon hoah doesnt apply ) ahavas yisroeel(and onlt to oivrei torah where i doesnt apply ..mitzvah lisnoso see arvi psochom)..yes wee keep all the mitsvos and dont mock it like your kind ..(stone age, outdated, etc etc afre lepima
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May 13, 2010 at 05:18 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I wonder if all the people making negative comments keep all the 613 mitzvot themselves;hilchot lashen hara covers several mitzvot asseh and lo tasseh. ”
if tis against torah mockers its a mitzvah,...by the which of the mitzvos do you observe. do you believe in torah misini...if not your not bklall yisroel
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May 13, 2010 at 05:24 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ In response to my statement that "in our day we don't really know who is a true yid and who is a descendant of the eruv rav" you wrote: "can you tell where you get these ridiculous statements?" I am nonplussed by your question.
The Divrei Chaim zt"l wrote: “Before the coming of Mashiach many of the Jews of the generation, due to our many sins, will be from the eruv rav who want to rule over the public, and all their actions are only for their own sake, to acquire honor and money." [The Divrei Chaim wrote these prescient words in the 19th century; sounds like some 21st century Israeli politicians, yes?]
The Vilna Gaon wrote, in "Even Shlomo," that "the selection and purification of Israel will not be complete until the eruv rav separates from Israel completely, because they are very attached to the Jews and the Jews learn from their actions."
So Mr. descendant-of-Aron-HaKohes (???)," these are just two of the many sources for my...uh...so-called "ridiculous" statement. And you, my friend, on top of a huge attitudinal adjustment, need to improve your education in our Mesorah, and in your basic spelling and grammar skills. ”
nowhere in this statement is it mentioned that one can s it mentionned one cannot know of he id a true yid...so your rediculou satatement is still rediculous. you seem to be an am huaretxz whoo takes a memre with out comprehending so please be meain ...so to repeat on your resiculous claim where in these word do you interpet that no one will be able to proove he is a true yid?? maybe your from the erev rav not us
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May 13, 2010 at 10:00 AM Shua Cohen Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ nowhere in this statement is it mentioned that one can s it mentionned one cannot know of he id a true yid...so your rediculou satatement is still rediculous. you seem to be an am huaretxz whoo takes a memre with out comprehending so please be meain ...so to repeat on your resiculous claim where in these word do you interpet that no one will be able to proove he is a true yid?? maybe your from the erev rav not us ”
If I do not satisfactorily respond to your comment it's because I have a hard time trying to decipher your written English. I am dan l'chaf zchus that you're a recent immigrant from a non-English speaking country...or otherwise, you're just faking it. (After all, you have no trouble spelling the word "comprehending," but can't seem to type out the word "ridiculous" properly -- rediculous? resiculous? And we won't even get into sticking an "x" into am ha'aretz).
Anyway, I perceive that your comprehension of written English is also somewhat limited, since it appears that you've basically misunderstood what I wrote. I never claimed that "no one will be able to prove he is a true yid" (as you suggested). If you can trace your yichus accurately, good for you. But many assimilated and secular Jews are not so fortunate (including those of us who became ba'alei teshuva), and beyond two or three generations we just don't know. That the descendants of the eruv rav are legion in our generation is amply demonstrated by the words of the Vilna Gaon and Divrei Chaim. I can only pray that, as a ba'al teshuva (and not an am ha'aretz, as you called me) I am not one of them.
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May 13, 2010 at 02:03 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ While probably every yid agrees that Yerushalayim is the eternal capital of EY going back to the days of Moishe Rabenu, we also have to accept the reality that the most of the rest of the world (aside from the Christian evangelical types whose agenda for yidden is suspect) do not view the geography issue as a settled matter. We have to find some political accomodation on the broader set of issues with the palestinians before we will ever have shalom al yerushalayim. ”
Why do we have to accept the view of the rest of the world. If Jews were to accept the will of most of the world nations, then every one of us may as well commit suicide. The world will be forced to accept our view only if we assert ourselves. "Im ein ani li, mi li?" is a saying from Hillel, (If I do not not stand up for my own interests then who will.?)
Barack Obama?
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May 13, 2010 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Does Nethanyahu know that the Torah says that you should keep Shabbos, etc etc etc ”
Did Albert Einstein keep Shabbos? Would you discount his words as gibberish?