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Published on: June 17, 2010 07:23 AM
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Israel - Tens of thousands of ultra-Orthodox protesters gathered in Jerusalem and in Bnei Brak on Thursday to support the right of Ashkenazi Hasidic parents to keep their children in classes segregated from their Mizrahi peers.

Ultra-Orthodox officials made a last-ditch effort on Wednesday to keep parents in the settlement of Immanuel from being arrested and jailed for refusing to implement a High Court of Justice ruling requiring the Ashkenazi and Mizrahi girls to study in the same classes.

The parents were ordered to arrive at the Jerusalem police headquarters at 1 P.M. on Thursday to begin carrying out their prison terms. The parents did not fulfill that order, however, and police have asked the court to legally delay the sentencing until 5 P.M.

The court had initially scheduled the sentencing to begin at 12 P.M., but postponed the commencement due to the mass protests expected in the city.

The 43 families of the Ashkenazi girls seemed elated Wednesday by the prospect of their impending arrest and two-week jail term, which some called “a historic stand for the sanctification of the name of heaven.”

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The police have given a permit for a 20,000-strong demonstration in Jerusalem, to be led by Ashkenazi Haredi political and religious leaders. Thousands more gathered in the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of Bnei Brak, near Tel Aviv. Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said about 100,000 people converged in downtown Jerusalem in support of the Ashkenazi parents. An additional 20,000 demonstrated in the central city of Bnei Brak.

The numbers could far exceed the expected figure, though, to judge by the calls issued by heads of yeshivas and schools to cancel classes Thursday so students can attend the protest.

A leading spokesman of Israel’s modern Orthodox stream on Thursday urged religious Zionists not to take part in the mass protests, regardless of the political price they may pay in the future for refusing to support the movement.

“I cannot take part in the racism and discrimination that is taking place, which is just the tip of the iceberg,” said Rabbi Yuval Sherlo, who heads the joint army-yeshiva program in Petah Tikva.

Religious Zionism must “return to its historic role” and bring both sides to a compromise. “It’s impossible to claim that this is Jewish law or that it is sanctifying the name of God,” he said.


Even the spiritual leader of the Sephardi ultra-Orthodox Shas party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, has come out against the petitioners seeking integration. He said they should not have taken the matter to the courts.

Attempts to find a compromise were orchestrated Wednesday by former Shas chairman Aryeh Deri, who met in Jerusalem with the most prominent leader of the Ashkenazi community in the northern West Bank settlement of Immanuel - the Slonim grand rabbi, Shmuel Berezovsky.

Deri is focusing his efforts on assuring compliance with the 2009 High Court ruling requiring the ultra-Orthodox Beit Yaakov school in Immanuel to make sure the Mizrahi students study with their Ashkenazi peers. Most of the students are Ashkenazi.

The Ashkenazim have said they are not guilty of ethnic discrimination but are attempting to keep the Ashkenazi students from being influenced by those they consider to be less religious.

Some have been discussing the possibility of building another school in Immanuel for next year - the fourth for Haredi elementary-age girls - that would give parents the autonomy to decide who should study with whom. The High Court petitioners, chief among them Yoav Laloum, said they did not oppose the opening of another school, but the compromise has not really been embraced by all the parties involved.

Various political officials have been meeting in an effort to resolve the issue. MK Rabbi Moshe Gafni (United Torah Judaism ) met Wednesday with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman. Deputy Health Minister Yaakov Litzman met with Education Minister Gideon Sa’ar, and Deputy Education Minister Meir Porush is expected to meet Thursday with President Shimon Peres to ask him to pardon the parents.

The State Prosecutor’s Office might seek the arrest of only one parent rather than the whole group.

But even as politicians held talks in an effort to resolve the issue quietly, many Haredim were gearing up for the demonstration. On Wednesday, the Slonim beit midrash was full of people holding feverish conversations about Jews who died for the sanctification of God’s name, mixed with stories from the High Court.

The protest in Bnei Brak began at 1 P.M., where a representative of the parents from Immanuel addressed the crowd. The main march began an hour later in Jerusalem, heading to the police headquarters in the Russian Compound. Dozens of the pro-segregation parents were to stand on the pedestrian bridge over Jerusalem’s Bar Ilan Street wearing signs saying “prisoner sanctifying the name of heaven.”

Ads appeared in newspapers on Thursday will call on people to avoid violence. Yerah Tocker, a spokesman for the protest, said “avoiding violence is one of the main emphases of the organizers.”

“We want to protest the High Court ruling and declare that for all of us, in light of the ruling, Torah comes first,” he said.

Despite the pledges of non-violence, police are to deploy in large numbers in Jerusalem, Bnei Brak, Beit Shemesh, Immanuel and near Ma’asiyahu Prison, where apparently the fathers of the girls are to be taken, and Neveh Tirza Prison, where the mothers are to go.

Police also called on drivers to avoid the area of the demonstrations in Jerusalem on Yermiyahu, Bar Ilan, Shmuel Hanavi and Hanevi’im streets, and in the Russian Compound.

The Courts Administration on Wednesday beefed up security around Supreme Court Justice Edmond Levy, who headed the panel that ruled against the segregation. Levy, who wrote the sole dissent from the anti-segregation ruling, came out strongly against parents seeking rabbinic advice on the ruling. “No ruling of a court in general, or the High Court in particular, requires the authorization of any person, not even halakhic (Jewish law ) authority,” Levy said.

Wednesday for the first time since the segregation issue in Immanuel became public three years ago, Yosef said he was “very shocked” at the petition.

Shas chairman Eli Yishai met on Wednesday with Yosef, after which he said Yosef was “pained at the discrimination and also at turning to the courts and the High Court ruling.” He said it would have been better to deal with the issue “in pleasant ways” and insist on a solution out of court. Shas has not told its followers whether to take part in the demonstrations. However, this evening the Shas Council of Torah Sages is to hold a special meeting on the issue and will set its official position.

Rabbi Shimon Ba’adani is the spiritual leader of the Yemenite Jewish community in Immanuel, and all his daughters study in the Hasidic classes with mostly Ashkenazi girls.

The Shas position is very complex and not likely to win it many supporters in its community. One of the main reasons Shas has not expressed itself yet on the matter is because the elite Shas families, including the Yosef and Yishai families, send their girls to Ashkenazi schools.

Deri, a former Shas chairman, has been waiting a long time for the right moment to re-enter politics after serving time on corruption charges. On Wednesday he showed signs of moving in that direction. He told Haaretz the political system had to make decisions in the Immanuel affair and not let the courts intervene.

“The handwriting is on the wall. A terrible rift among the people,” Deri said. “There are ministers and deputy ministers. They should get together and go to the prime minister’s office and say, ‘Let’s solve the problem.’”

The Ashkenazi community is united in its support for the demonstration. Rabbi Shlomo Elyashiv announced he was personally going to join the demonstration, as did the Gerer rebbe and other leading rabbis.

Police officials estimated that additional protests would take place in other places across the country. In total, some 100,000 people were expected to attend the rallies.

Protestors flocked to Jerusalem’s Yirmiyahu Street along with signs reading, “High Court against the people” and “God will rule for all eternity”.  

In Bnei Brak, children held signs reading, “The High Court is fascist” and “Flotilla terrorists free! Students’ parents to jail.”

Massive police forces were deployed across the country to prevent clashes. “More than 10,000 policemen and Border Guard officers will deploy on the main routes and especially at the main places of protest,” said Commander Nissim More, head of the operations division at the police’s national headquarters.

The Jerusalem protestors appeared to be enraged with Supreme Court Justice Edmond Levy, who ruled that the Ashkenazi parents who refused to send their girls to school should be sent to jail.

“Edmond Levy is the biggest racist in history. This is what happened in the (former Shas Minister Shlomo) Benizri case as well. Where else in the world have you seen such a precedent – adding to the sentence after an appeal? There is a clear trend against us because of our black skullcap,” said Amram, one of the protestors.

Shmuel Naimi is one of the parents slated to be imprisoned. His son Shimon, 20, told Ynet that “there is no racism in Emmanuel. The education is better, 30% of the students are Sephardic and there is no such thing as separating between Ashkenazim and Sephardim. It’s an argument created because of the crazy media.”

He also expressed his anger at the Supreme Court judge. “I have 10 brothers and sisters and I have no idea what the little ones are going to do. Perhaps Edmond Levy could find them a babysitter.”

Netanel, a Ger Hasid, arrived to support the Slonim Hasidic dynasty in its battle. “It begins with Slonim and it will reach all of us. I am here to make sure it won’t reach Ger,” he said.

“Who is Edmond Levy to tell me what to do? No one has the right to tell me how to educate my children. The idea that the High Court would intervene is a crime. Any haredi would be willing to go to jail.”


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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:41 AM Anonymous Says:

We have to fight this terribal decision by the judges. First they ask for ashkenazi and sefatri kids to be together. Next they will say mixed boys and girls. What's next? Areb and jewish? If we don't do someting now it will get out of control.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:45 AM Just Thinking Says:

Before anyone gets carried away, Chacham Ovaida said THERE IS DISCRIMINATION but it shoudl not have gone to the courts.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:48 AM Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:50 AM Anonymous Says:

to all those
chareidei bashers
now all Gedolei Yisroel
are protesting
u see what type of Medina were deeling with
let all of us do teshuva
and have moshiach now

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:51 AM Anonymous Says:

“Who is Edmond Levy to tell me what to do? No one has the right to tell me how to educate my children. The idea that the High Court would intervene is a crime. Any haredi would be willing to go to jail.”

actually not, I am Haredi and not a racist and not willing to go to jail

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:57 AM Anonymous Says:

it is not racist, it is the religous level that the parents are worried about...

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Deputy Minister Yaakov Litzman tells Kol Chai Radio he is pained that it has come to this, adding he attended the High Court hearing this week and personally saw the disdain for the parents exhibited by Justice Edmond Levy. He stresses this is absolutely not related to discrimination in any way shape and form.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Once and for all show this stupid bagatz wo they are

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:02 AM Anonymous Says:

It is not Ashkenazim vs. Sefardim!!! There are Sefardi parents who are going to jail. It is over the right to educate each child according to her (family's) way within one school.

When the court ruled the school could not maintain separate tracks - which ALL the parents were fine with - parents pulled their daughters out and said they would "home-school" them.

The parents are going to jail for choosing to home-school vs. send their daughters to a situation they feel is unhealthy.

I hear the Israeli gov't is looking to lease prison space in Siberia....

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Will the agudah orgenize a rally in ny?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:05 AM informed Says:

Contrary to popular belief, the "non-religious" parents in Emanuel are actually fully shomer shabbos, religious in every way, but perhaps from Baal Teshuva families or other such "flaws"

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:07 AM Anonymous Says:

If a sefardi meets the religious criteria of a school, they should be admitted. This should never have become a racial issue, and no, it's not the media who made it one - it's the people who did. My heart aches over this situation. They say Moshiach will come to a generation that is either entirely righteous or entirely wicked. Well, from the looks of things, he must be on his way. (And no, we are not entirely righteous...) :(

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:08 AM Secular Says:

What an astonishing picture!

Thousands of chareidim rallying together...for what?
So that one group could say to the other 'we are frumer than you'...
What a waste of man power..what a waste of time...what a Bittul torah!

One wonders why protests are not as vocal for the release of Gilad Shalit (true Pidyon shvuyim), or against the defemation of Israel in the wake of the flotilla raid, or during the Lebanon war.

Could you imagine the good it would do for Klal Israel if these men used their power, passion and strength, not only to protest sound causes, but incorporate themselves into society. Instead we have underdeveloped uneducated boors who look like some Gedolim used to look 100 years ago protesting someone else's school. a childish cause... For what??
The sefardi 'Gedolim' are in a pickle, because on the one hand they and the people they represent have an inferiority complex when it comes to their religiosity(frumkeit), the tone is set by Ashkenazi Chareidim. Indeed many of the movers and shakers Eli Yishai, Benizri, Deri are all products of Ashkenazi education. That is why they are elites....

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:11 AM Kidush Hashem Says:

This is the mosty amazing Kiddush Hashem barabim I can recall since the maamad which was against the high court about ten years ago at Shaar Yerushalaim.
We all wish the parents every hatzlacha in their success.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Edmon Levi is a loser and an old fool. He is not and never was qulafied to be a judge in Israel, he obviously hates the Jewish religion.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:24 AM Secular Says:

... The problem is, they are 'Elites' in the Sefardi/Edot mizrach community, because they are Ashkenazi trained and worldly(!?). However they cannot be that aloof from their Sefardi brothers(and sisters) that they don't sympathize with their 'plight' i.e. when they are discriminated against, by the 'establishment' Ashkenazim.

But the root cause of this and other issues is simply that MOST Ashkenazi chareidim DO NOT believe in the medina, they don't even think its a mitzva to live in Eretz Israel. That is why there is no connectiion between the Ashkenazim and the Medina/Land in any meaningful way. Army service is viewed as a nuisance at best, not a call and opportunity to protect our brethren in OUR land (milchemet Mitzva).

Could you imagine for a moment... what if some 'Frum' yeshiva bochurim attended the army, and G-d forbid a conflict broke out; the prayers, the davening, the learning would take on a whole new fervor and intensity because it's OUR Men fighting. It would mean something. The Chareidim In Israel and abroad are mere spectators watching someone else's conflict in someone else's Land...

we're here for the free education...

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:24 AM Just Thinking Says:

There were blacks aat the time who were against desegregation. This is proof of nothing.
You must understand the situation of the Sephardic parents in the school, if they don't follow the stream, they will be shunned, put in cherem and their kids will have to go through torture. They are doing what they can to let their kids get the best life they can under the worst circumstances.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:26 AM Anonymous Says:

It may be the biggest demonstration, but also the bigges "hillul hashem." And this, spearheaded by the Slonimer who claim that they stand for achdut. It doesn't matter if they can rationalize their cause, now they are perceived by most Israelis and Jews all over as being discriminatory and so insular that they are afraid that G-D forbid their daughters should sit next to someone in school whose parents might have become religious and even text message. If the Slonimers really believed in achdut they would try and set an example that others might follow. My family has in the past supported Slonimers, however now, let them go elsewhere. I cannot support the "hillul hashem," on the eve of the three weeks and tisha b'av. Have they not learned their lessons?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Fascinating that these people have time in the middle of the work day to come out and spend time protesting. What happened to all those 'working charedim' people on this site are always crowing about?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

What an idiot! you really read the court's ruling? They just don't want sephardic students in the school? who said it again? Weinfeld? can I have your source for that statement ever being made? do you even know that sephardic students go to that school? do you know that even sephardic parents are going to jail? what a ignorant moron!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:35 AM hmm Says:

I don't know about you, but the last time I checked, we all came from the same man, adam. We all left egyp together, wandered the desert together, stood under mt sinai together and pledged to honor the torah together. I do not have insight into hashem, but I do not think he is happy about this segregation of his precious children.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Lots of schools have separate tracks. they do not, however, hide the "B" track children behind a wall during recess, force them to wear different uniforms, keep them separated during lunch, recess, etc. That's segregation- not a different track.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:41 AM Anonymous Says:

When will israel see that the more they cause pain to hareidim, the more they get deligitimized in the world?!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:49 AM Anonymous Says:

I wonder what great travesty will happen because thousands see fit to separate a brother. Chillul HaShem

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:57 AM David Says:

"Tens of thousands of ultra-Orthodox protesters gathered in Jerusalem and in Bnei Brak on Thursday to support the right of Ashkenazi Hasidic parents to keep their children in classes segregated from their Mizrahi peers."
--And only four people missed work!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

What an idiot! you really read the court's ruling? They just don't want sephardic students in the school? who said it again? Weinfeld? can I have your source for that statement ever being made? do you even know that sephardic students go to that school? do you know that even sephardic parents are going to jail? what a ignorant moron!

VIn will not allow links, but if you search for it on the web you'll find the court's ruling.

The fact that there are Sepharadim are going to jail as well, means nothing. They are forced into it by the wierd situation they are in. If they fail to do so, you can well imagine what will happen to their children in a small town like Emanuel. They will be left out of a school, shunned, disgraced and what not.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Fascinating that these people have time in the middle of the work day to come out and spend time protesting. What happened to all those 'working charedim' people on this site are always crowing about?

"What happened to all those 'working charedim' people on this site are always crowing about?”
They felt that this was important enough to take a day off of work! That is what my husband did!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:02 AM Just Thinking Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

What an idiot! you really read the court's ruling? They just don't want sephardic students in the school? who said it again? Weinfeld? can I have your source for that statement ever being made? do you even know that sephardic students go to that school? do you know that even sephardic parents are going to jail? what a ignorant moron!

Regardless of their cause, this is a huge CHILUL HASHEM. Almost all chilonim seeing this on the news, without any background info will think that these people are racists. Even if they might think they are right, thhey must look at the results of their actions.
This is not a good day for charedim.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

What an idiot! you really read the court's ruling? They just don't want sephardic students in the school? who said it again? Weinfeld? can I have your source for that statement ever being made? do you even know that sephardic students go to that school? do you know that even sephardic parents are going to jail? what a ignorant moron!

Chilonim do not understand that they are fighting for religious freedom, all the chilonim understand is that the charedim are racists. If you want to protest, you must calculate the effects

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:06 AM Just a thought Says:

From what I hear, all stores throughout Jerusalem are operating with full staff. No workers requested leave for the protest. All kollelim are empty though.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:06 AM Anonymous Says:

That's a stupid comment. Sefardim are sending their kids to the Chassidishe school and they are going to jail with the Ashkenazim. You dumb blind shagitz, this has nothing to do with discrimination, except anti-Jewish discrimination by the memshule may it speedily be destroyed.

The parents sent their children to an acceptable school outside their community, the court said "you can not do that".

How about learning what you're talking about before you make stupid comments.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
informed Says:

Contrary to popular belief, the "non-religious" parents in Emanuel are actually fully shomer shabbos, religious in every way, but perhaps from Baal Teshuva families or other such "flaws"

But there are still problems with their children because they rebel against being frum

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
hmm Says:

I don't know about you, but the last time I checked, we all came from the same man, adam. We all left egyp together, wandered the desert together, stood under mt sinai together and pledged to honor the torah together. I do not have insight into hashem, but I do not think he is happy about this segregation of his precious children.

god is always happy, and i don't think that GOD Takes us as seriously as we take ourselves...

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
hmm Says:

I don't know about you, but the last time I checked, we all came from the same man, adam. We all left egyp together, wandered the desert together, stood under mt sinai together and pledged to honor the torah together. I do not have insight into hashem, but I do not think he is happy about this segregation of his precious children.

I think that the supreme court is bias against the chraidem, and i think that the chraidem are bias against everyone else, so i guess it kind of evens out..

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
David Says:

"Tens of thousands of ultra-Orthodox protesters gathered in Jerusalem and in Bnei Brak on Thursday to support the right of Ashkenazi Hasidic parents to keep their children in classes segregated from their Mizrahi peers."
--And only four people missed work!

nice one LOL

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:10 AM How tall does the wall have to be Says:

Does anyone know how tall the wall has to be between the Sepharadim and Ashkenazim?
is their hezek Reiyah? 10 tefachim? are you allowed to pray when looking at a Sepharadi?

why is there a wall between the different classes???

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:13 AM Anonymous Says:

This should be a very big kiddush Hashem and very effective way for charedim to make their case to secular (and non-chareidei) society and to the non-jewish world that we are Or LaGoyim.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:15 AM Anonymous Says:

like Korachs rebellion this is also in the name of "G-d"

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:18 AM Anonymous Says:

#25 keep eating your cheeseburgers and driving to McDonald's on Shabbos, you shagitz.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Oi was Satmar Ruv Ztz"l right when he said many many years ago that one day the Medina HaTemeiah will tell you exactly how to educate your children!!!

Guys its time to wake up and smell the coffee! The system in Israel is a danger for the whole Frum community!

You can bash whatever you want (and how about when you're busy with Chilul HaShem you should also think about the digging part in Israel that they'll not stop, but every government all over the world will stop after the jewish community is asking. But then you'll not say a word!) But besides trying to cover up you see facts! The Chinuch in Israel is a total disaster! And they're basically forcing the Frum people to follow them.

Watta Shame!!!

Go Stolin Go!!!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:27 AM AP Says:

Reply to #3  
Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

If you believe everything in those court documents you are a fool. The leftist zionists courts undoubtedly edited documents, transcripts, etc., for their unrelenting quests to secularize the country. They are the lowest of the low.
But we still have to recognize that Yaakov Avinu was punshed for putting Dinah in a box instead of using her to be mekarav Eisov. L'havdal, the situation we have here where the sephardic students are only LESS religious.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:28 AM Loshon Hora Says:

Enough sefardi parents are going to jail for the same reason, now how is that racist?
This is all about religeon.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Just In: HaGuan HaGudel Posek HaDor Rav Elyashev Shlita just arrived to the Mamad Rabusi and will say soon Divres Kodshoi!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:32 AM Anonymous Says:

It is a shanda that certain so called "gadolei yisroel" encourage demonstrations in support of what is clearly a biased and bigoted pattern of behavior by these ashkeanzi parents but they sit on their hands with regard to ongoing issues of concern to klal yisroel in terms of better housing, education and quality of life issues, many of which stem from religious practice and the role of the religious parties in the government.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:32 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

It may be the biggest demonstration, but also the bigges "hillul hashem." And this, spearheaded by the Slonimer who claim that they stand for achdut. It doesn't matter if they can rationalize their cause, now they are perceived by most Israelis and Jews all over as being discriminatory and so insular that they are afraid that G-D forbid their daughters should sit next to someone in school whose parents might have become religious and even text message. If the Slonimers really believed in achdut they would try and set an example that others might follow. My family has in the past supported Slonimers, however now, let them go elsewhere. I cannot support the "hillul hashem," on the eve of the three weeks and tisha b'av. Have they not learned their lessons?

how sad it is that through your comments you have done the same thing you claim is wrong. You spew what you feel is the correct version and in your comments you put down others.

The reality is that for you this is not about the facts because you do not know them. It is about trying to make people feel you are right and they are wrong. Shame on you!

Don't bring Hillul Hashem and the eve of the 3 weeks into this. The greatest living Torah giants in the world - ALL OF THEM - have come out in agreement and attended today. Obviously this is no Hillul Hashem. Rather it it is a true Kiddush Hashem at the highest level. over 100,000 people marched in a beautiful way. No violence only Teffilos to Hashem.

Wake up buddy - you make no sense!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:37 AM Anonymous Says:

I'm not impressed by these protests. As these people don't work and have nothing else to do with their time.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:40 AM Avi Says:

It becomes clearer each day as to why Charedim ignore Shulchan Aruch -- it was written by a Sefaradi.

It's interesting to note that the historically greatest works in Halacha were written by Sefaradim, but somehow it's the Ashkenazim who are more "frum". If it were not for Sefaradim, these Charedim wouldn't even know what Halacha was.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:42 AM easy tiger Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

#25 keep eating your cheeseburgers and driving to McDonald's on Shabbos, you shagitz.

yeah, he breaks shabbes and deoant keep torah mitzvos because he works for a living... that my friend is a huge assumption on your behalf! Where do you get off? He makes a very valid point if a tad humours.... Come to think of it, what are you doing on the internet anyway?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

We have to fight this terribal decision by the judges. First they ask for ashkenazi and sefatri kids to be together. Next they will say mixed boys and girls. What's next? Areb and jewish? If we don't do someting now it will get out of control.

Just listen to what you are saying
"First they ask for ashkenazi and sefatri kids to be together Next they will say mixed boys and girls"
As a Haredi Sepharadi I find your comments disgusting there is no way a Yehudi would talk that way about a fellow Yehudi. Make sure to ask for Mehila before Bet Din Shel Mala passes judgement on your Sinat Hinam.

The mistake is it should not have gone to the courts to decide.

The Gedolim are calling for the protest to be against the court making a ruling. They are not discussing yet the issue of what happened in the school, my son is there now at the rally, he stands against the court being involved in the dispute. Either way though he Gedolim will need to come together and address the situation there.
Pray to G-d for Rachmin that his wrath should not be upon us and let us avoid a harsh decree from up high.

Pray that the Gedolim get together and sit as one to fix the problem. So maybe just maybe good can come out from this. Otherwise we will Has Ve Shalom be just like the Yishmaelim who kill each other like animals.

Hashem Yerahem.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:46 AM Stamford Hilly Billy Says:

There are only two words to describe all these idiots attending the protest - bittul torah!!!

That's if they are serious about learning, if they are not why are they in yeshiva/kollel? Go and get a job!!!

and stop having pointless machlokes which is causing gross chillul hashem, has story has made the secular media across the world, a far cry from the kiddush hashem that the protesters are caliming for defending kedushas hashem!!!!

The only opinion that I have seen on this matter that makes any sense is that of Rav Ovadia shlita who said the whole issue should never have got to court in the first place.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:48 AM Vegan and car-less Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

#25 keep eating your cheeseburgers and driving to McDonald's on Shabbos, you shagitz.

The truth hurts, huh. So you call names. You used "shagitz" on him, so I guess I will be called a Nazi by you. Nu.
Sticks and stone will break my bones, but . . .
#25 made me laugh. You made me want to barf.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:02 AM Nut Jobs Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

We have to fight this terribal decision by the judges. First they ask for ashkenazi and sefatri kids to be together. Next they will say mixed boys and girls. What's next? Areb and jewish? If we don't do someting now it will get out of control.

First off learn how to spell
Secondly if you compare sephardic and ashkenaz kids to boys and girls or jewish kids and "arab" kids then we have come to a place in time where i am embarrassed to be a jew.


TO ALL THOSE WHO SPEAK AGAINST THE MEDINAH PLEASE LEAVE we do not need you there . The country (you can argue about the actual land) belongs to us not you we fought for it had family or friends most of us both die to protect it. please i beg you leave go live with the muslims who are dying to kill us so that when we will have to go after them we can eliminate you too. with jews like you i question are the jews really all brothers

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:04 AM ashknazi Says:

Reply to #3  
Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

I don't know if you read this article, if you do you will see that the yeminite kids go to the chasidishe school, what he meant is sephardic non religious kids

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:08 AM knowitall Says:

The Chareidim need alternative forms of entertainment.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:10 AM Yashar Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

We have to fight this terribal decision by the judges. First they ask for ashkenazi and sefatri kids to be together. Next they will say mixed boys and girls. What's next? Areb and jewish? If we don't do someting now it will get out of control.

you are a sicko.
comparing sephardi and ashkenazi integration to arab and jewish?????
you frighten me
what is wrong with you??? I hope you don't consider yourself a torah jew

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Yet the greatest travesty brought upon by the State of Israel. I do say "there is something rotten in the State of Israel". May the Ribbono Shel Oilem repay those parents piece by piece, minute by minute for every iota of aggravation they have to endure.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:22 AM Anonymous Says:

It's simple...
1)Get Jobs-get money
2)Take the money-build your own schools
3)Choose your own student base

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Isn't it ironic...
The big sign by the hafganos says "al tigoo bimsheechai"
A protest like this is DISTANCING bi'as moshiach

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:25 AM Anonymous Says:

The situation is strangely like the Meroglim. New Land = Fears of New Leadership & Loss of Old Power held by old leader...Don''t know what's the answer?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
Anonymous Says:

Just In: HaGuan HaGudel Posek HaDor Rav Elyashev Shlita just arrived to the Mamad Rabusi and will say soon Divres Kodshoi!

“ Just In: HaGuan HaGudel Posek HaDor Rav Elyashev Shlita just arrived to the Mamad Rabusi and will say soon Divres Kodshoi!”

Big deal!!! If you think the "Guan and Gudel Hador" will have any impact on this situation you are sadly wrong. R. Elyashiv is respected by many Ashkenazim but he has not shown great sensitivity to the needs of the Sephardim. For him to show up at this demonstration in support of the bigotry displayed by the parents at this school is disappointing and misguided.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:28 AM knowitall Says:

Whyis it hat chareidim don't show such emotion when a soldier gets killed protecting them? They seem to only want to take but not to give. That is the cause of the animosity, and, frankly, there is basis for it.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

Just listen to what you are saying
"First they ask for ashkenazi and sefatri kids to be together Next they will say mixed boys and girls"
As a Haredi Sepharadi I find your comments disgusting there is no way a Yehudi would talk that way about a fellow Yehudi. Make sure to ask for Mehila before Bet Din Shel Mala passes judgement on your Sinat Hinam.

The mistake is it should not have gone to the courts to decide.

The Gedolim are calling for the protest to be against the court making a ruling. They are not discussing yet the issue of what happened in the school, my son is there now at the rally, he stands against the court being involved in the dispute. Either way though he Gedolim will need to come together and address the situation there.
Pray to G-d for Rachmin that his wrath should not be upon us and let us avoid a harsh decree from up high.

Pray that the Gedolim get together and sit as one to fix the problem. So maybe just maybe good can come out from this. Otherwise we will Has Ve Shalom be just like the Yishmaelim who kill each other like animals.

Hashem Yerahem.

just foy your info,shmuel naimi is a sephardi!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

huh?that's why 30%! of them are sephardim!and going to prison!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Just Thinking Says:

Regardless of their cause, this is a huge CHILUL HASHEM. Almost all chilonim seeing this on the news, without any background info will think that these people are racists. Even if they might think they are right, thhey must look at the results of their actions.
This is not a good day for charedim.

i don't know if you noticed but the gedolie yisroel are there as well. i think they might know a little better than you what constitutes a chillul hashem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:38 AM zalman Says:

Is there a bracha to say when you see so many naaranim gathered in one location?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
knowitall Says:

Whyis it hat chareidim don't show such emotion when a soldier gets killed protecting them? They seem to only want to take but not to give. That is the cause of the animosity, and, frankly, there is basis for it.

so when a soldier gets c'v killed you want tens of thousands people should march on the streets and cry in public? do m\the chiloni do it/ why don t you think before you postso i shoulnt have to reas such imature posts

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM Nucham Says:

the guy holding the sign (in top picture) "I AM GOING TO JAIL BECAUSE OF THE EDUCATION OF MY DAUGHTER" looks like he is only 14 years old, how old is his daughter?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:

I lack the background to have a meaningful opinion about the subject of this protest - despite having read the article and the comments in either direction. I am pained about the constant reports of protests for all these causes, though many or all seem legit. Don't people work? Or if not, shouldn't they be dedicating their lives to studying Torah? What's with these full time positions (unpaid) as "Protesters"? There has to be a better way than to have so many Yidden whose time is supposedly dedicated to full time learning be AWOL and demonstrating every day for something else. I heard a suggestion from someone that there should be a designated day every month and a specially designed location for protests. There could be mounted cameras to film it, special signs to identify the subject of the protests, and presoaked pampers to throw at the police. This would be far more convenient, and more time reserved for Torah study.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM Anonymous Says:

whats rong with mixing sephardi and ashkinazi?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
knowitall Says:

Whyis it hat chareidim don't show such emotion when a soldier gets killed protecting them? They seem to only want to take but not to give. That is the cause of the animosity, and, frankly, there is basis for it.

No soldier protects chareidim or anybody else for that matter. Hashem protects us. Take your apikorsisha mentality elsewhere.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
zalman Says:

Is there a bracha to say when you see so many naaranim gathered in one location?

Probably :"asher yatzar" considering the racism and bigotry against Sephardishe yidden that is implicit in today's demonstration

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:57 AM zevi Says:

where were all these protestors when the traitor sharon gave up holy land to terrorists?
This was the begining and reason for all the subsequent tzoros over the past few years.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
Anonymous Says:

i don't know if you noticed but the gedolie yisroel are there as well. i think they might know a little better than you what constitutes a chillul hashem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, there are some chashuve rabbonim there today who may support the actions of these parents but there are many rabbonim and political leaders of klal yisroel who regard the school's decision as morally and halachically wrong. I would encourage everyone to read through the full story of this episode and decide for themselves rather than mindlessly following the views of a few rabbonim.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #66  
Anonymous Says:

so when a soldier gets c'v killed you want tens of thousands people should march on the streets and cry in public? do m\the chiloni do it/ why don t you think before you postso i shoulnt have to reas such imature posts

Yes, the chiloni die for the cahreidim. I am not asking that they march every time a soldier is killed. But they have not done it even once in over 60 years! Ever heard of Hakaras Hatov ? It would appear from their conduct that they are apathetic and could care less how many soldiers die protecting them. All that is important is that a sefardi girl doesn't sit next to their daughter in a classroom. Shameful!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM Bubby! Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

“Who is Edmond Levy to tell me what to do? No one has the right to tell me how to educate my children. The idea that the High Court would intervene is a crime. Any haredi would be willing to go to jail.”

actually not, I am Haredi and not a racist and not willing to go to jail

Anyone who refuses to go to jail to protect the spititual future of his/her chrildren has lost the right to call himself chareidi.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:21 AM Solomon B Says:

A Bunch of Racist Jews , This is why we have no Moshiah !!!!!! I wouldn't put my kid in an Emmanuel Ashkanaz School, Not because I'm Racist but because the level of education SUCKS ! They Teach Racism .... Anti Torah , They belong with the Ereb Rab that were left in Egypt!!!! better yet swallowed up with Qorah !

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #73  
Anonymous Says:

Yes, there are some chashuve rabbonim there today who may support the actions of these parents but there are many rabbonim and political leaders of klal yisroel who regard the school's decision as morally and halachically wrong. I would encourage everyone to read through the full story of this episode and decide for themselves rather than mindlessly following the views of a few rabbonim.

you are an apikores. r' elyashiv is the gadol hador not some convience store rabbi! if you can't accept that then the mesora of klal yisroel is over. you might as well convert to a different religion. that's what makes yiddeshkite special and i'm sorry you don't understand that. i wish you all the best in striving in yiddeshkite, and only the best for your family.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:24 AM kvod shamyim Says:

god says: All kavodi lo mchisem val kvod atzmchem ato mocheh, were wore you agideh and your gdolim evrey time gods name is shamed

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:26 AM bucky Says:

If you are going to take State money, you must abide by there rules. Same in the U.S. Stop taking Israeli taxpayer money and you can do as you please. Simple as that. And folks, if ANY of you think this does not have to do with skin color and nation of origin, you are naive. Yes, no bias against Sephardim exists in the Frum world....(sarcasm). I am appalled at this, but once again, we should not judge Judaism by looking at Jews. We are all flawed, but Hashem and his Torah is perfect.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:27 AM Principal Says:

Simple question:

Does Satmar have a right not to accept a Mechon girl?
Does Mechon Have a right not to accept a Satmar girl?
Both have a great school, are white, have wonderful students, But their levels and degrees of religious observance and customs are different.
How many Ashkenazy white girls are turned away annually from Tomar Dvora, Bnos Zion, Bais Sara etc. There is zero discrimination involved.
Just because Maimonides and Harlem and Columbia Prebyterian and Cornell are called Hospitals does not mean they are equal. I have a right to choose Cornell and not go to a different one that provides "different " care. Its not discrimination.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #68  
Anonymous Says:

I lack the background to have a meaningful opinion about the subject of this protest - despite having read the article and the comments in either direction. I am pained about the constant reports of protests for all these causes, though many or all seem legit. Don't people work? Or if not, shouldn't they be dedicating their lives to studying Torah? What's with these full time positions (unpaid) as "Protesters"? There has to be a better way than to have so many Yidden whose time is supposedly dedicated to full time learning be AWOL and demonstrating every day for something else. I heard a suggestion from someone that there should be a designated day every month and a specially designed location for protests. There could be mounted cameras to film it, special signs to identify the subject of the protests, and presoaked pampers to throw at the police. This would be far more convenient, and more time reserved for Torah study.

I think you are right "you lack the background to have a meaningful opinion about the subject of this protest ".
We have to work for survival but our first priority is the education of our children and if we will leave it up to the supreme court we might as well starve to death.
Check the gemara's story about Reb Akivah and his conversation with the Tzidoki about the fox and the fish.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

No soldier protects chareidim or anybody else for that matter. Hashem protects us. Take your apikorsisha mentality elsewhere.

You are precisely the problem. You couldn't care less how many soldiers die or are maimed for you. So long as you can eat your felafel in Geulah is all that counts.So let us jut get rid of the army and police. You'll be much safer. Also, if Hashem is protecting the chareidim, according to your twisted mind, then why do they have to protest? Hashem will take care of them. You are a fool!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #74  
Anonymous Says:

Yes, the chiloni die for the cahreidim. I am not asking that they march every time a soldier is killed. But they have not done it even once in over 60 years! Ever heard of Hakaras Hatov ? It would appear from their conduct that they are apathetic and could care less how many soldiers die protecting them. All that is important is that a sefardi girl doesn't sit next to their daughter in a classroom. Shameful!

the chilonim die for thmselves , for their famillies etc . the chreisim die for themselves for thier families.why do you talk like..ther are plenty chreidim in IDF proportionally much more than...

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
zalman Says:

Is there a bracha to say when you see so many naaranim gathered in one location?

Yes!
In halacha it says that when you see what you call naaranim gathered in one location you mak the bracha "Shechalak maichochmosoy liyeraiov"

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #73  
Anonymous Says:

Yes, there are some chashuve rabbonim there today who may support the actions of these parents but there are many rabbonim and political leaders of klal yisroel who regard the school's decision as morally and halachically wrong. I would encourage everyone to read through the full story of this episode and decide for themselves rather than mindlessly following the views of a few rabbonim.

Sinice when are poltichins the ones to say das toreh

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

Lets get things straight.
There is no discrimination in Emanuel and there never was, full stop.
How do I know with such certainty? Think about the following questions and I'm sure you will arrive to the same conclusion.
1. How is it possible that there is discrim. when there is not even one Sephardi that came forward and said "I/We applied to the Chasidishe Magama and wasn't accepted"?
2. If there is 25% of Sephardi girls in the "Ashkenazi" sector is this still called discrimination?
3. If you answered the previous question with a yes, how about if you change from 25% to 35 girls out of 135?
4. Mrs. Weinfeld might or might not be the biggest discriminator in jewish history, but she is not the one standing trial here and things she has said in the past are merely circumstantial evidence, so if the whole verdict is based and that how does it effect the creditability of Israels High Court?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:35 AM yerushalmi Says:

This article was written by a friend, a member of the Slonimer community in Betar:

The story with Emanuel is a long one…

Emanuel is home to a community of Slonimers and a community of Sefardim – the majority of which are not religious.
There is only one elementary school for girls there -the Beit Yaakov in controversy. Until this law suit came into being, the school had 2 tracks – the religious track which serviced the religious girls i.e. the Slonimers and a handfull of Sefardi girls who are religious – and the non-religious track which serviced the non-religious girls – all of them Sefardim. Both tracks were quite happy with this arrangement.

Mr. Lelom, who receives funding from a extreme left anti-chareidi organization, has no personal interest in Emanuel, as he does not live there nor do his family members. His law suit is motivated by an agenda to vilify charedim as racists, and not at all to promote the interests of the Sefardim in Emanuel. 80% of the parents from the non-religious track signed a petition to stop the lawsuit because they are happy to keep their daughters ’segregated’. The teaching staff for both tracks of the Beit Yaakov consisted of Slonimer mothers – those now going to jail – and so Lelom’s victory has left the ‘vicitimized’ Sefardi girls with no teachers and has done nothing to help their education.

When this lawsuit began, the Slonimer parents consulted with the Slonimer Rebbe who advised them against mixing the tracks and bringing their daughters into contact with mixed dancing, television, treife food, etc etc. The parents sent a request to the bagatz to allow them to explain their position. This request was ignored, and until 1 1/2 months ago, all of the proceedings were based off of information provided by Mr. Lelom.
In the meantime, they took their daughters out of school, and started ‘home schooling’ them.

The week before Lag B’Omer, the Slonimer parents were subpoenaed to court to deal with their ‘contempt of court’ for not integrating the classes (and for not sending their daughters to a recognized school).

In court, the parents explained that their decision to keep the classes separate was not racist – in fact there were Sefardi girls in the religious class! – it was merely a religious matter. One track preferred a sheltered religious approach to education, and the other did not.
(One parent – a ZAKA volunteer – went further and said that racism is obviously not part of their lives – when he ‘cleans up’ after a bombing he cleans up dark skin with the same broken heart that he cleans up white skin.)

The court was taken aback by hearing this ‘new’ information and ordered a compromise – that they create an acceptance board with members agreed to by both parties, kick all the girls out of school, re-accept them and place them in an appropriate track via this acceptance board.
Lelom did not accept this compromise. And so the parents were again ordered to send their girls to Beit Yaakov and mix the classes.

Despite the fines and threat of jailing, the parents adhered to the Slonimer Rebbe’s advice. They were told that the court would not oppose them if they decided to send their daughters to school outside of Emanuel. However, when they arranged for their daughters to attend a chassidish Beis Yaakov in Bnei Brak – the misrad hachinuch threatened to close the school down if they accepted the girls from Emanuel. The court would not allow the Slonimers to open a private school in Emanuel either.

The rest of the Charedi world has joined the Slonimers in this because this case is setting a precedent for the bagatz (who’s wisdom comes from where? This country does not even have a constitution that they can claim to base their decisions on!) to coerce parents in issues regarding the education of their children. The protest today, and the parents’ willingness to go to jail, is meant to demonstrate that we chareidim intend to educate our children in the way we chose – under the guidance of our gedolim and NOT under the coercion of the bagatz. And that we chareidim are willing to make sacrifices to uphold our freedom of religion – freedom to practice Torah true Judaism in this country that calls itself Jewish.

The judge (the only Sefardi judge on the bagatz – hmmm… sounds kind of racist….) stated clearly that he sees no reason why a Rabbi’s opinion should have any baring once he has made a ruling. And he compared this to the ’separate but equal’ and desegragation struggles in the US 50 years ago.
The Slonimers have stated clearly that they answer to G-d alone (not to some arrogant man who believes in judicial activism), and compared this to the sacrifice and triumph of the Chashmonaim when the Greeks tried to undermine their Judaism.

We should be zoche to see Hashem’s name sanctified, and raise our children to give Him nachas!

S.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

“ Just In: HaGuan HaGudel Posek HaDor Rav Elyashev Shlita just arrived to the Mamad Rabusi and will say soon Divres Kodshoi!”

Big deal!!! If you think the "Guan and Gudel Hador" will have any impact on this situation you are sadly wrong. R. Elyashiv is respected by many Ashkenazim but he has not shown great sensitivity to the needs of the Sephardim. For him to show up at this demonstration in support of the bigotry displayed by the parents at this school is disappointing and misguided.

You are a anti torah jew to talk that way.Besides being a filthy liar,2 sephadric parents spoke at the protest before going into prison!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:38 AM Anonymous Says:

In the big picture, you'll notice the only guy without a jacket. He must be a spy for sure.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:40 AM Anonymous Says:

Yes! That's the fruits we're eating from the money all the schools are getting from the Medina HaTameiah! A simple results of letting this non-Frum people in the Kneset to mix into our Chinuch! Its sad that the parents were ready to open a new school or send their kids to Bnei Brak etc. Not to get mixed with kids who they consider that they don't follow the Gidrei Tzenias.

Its a day that the Tereifana Bgatz with their Anti-Frum judges finally showed their ugly face of trying to destroy the Frum community!

As I saw reported, All Gedoilei Yisroel came out to support the parents who'll serve in prison for the Erlicha Chinuch of their children!

Just as a by the way, nobody is so busy that the Sphardic kids should get the right Chinuch as the Chareidim are doing. From the Chinuch Atzmuei they only got the bad Chinuch as all the Schools who in fact are much lower then any Chasidic or Litvish school!

Yes the school system of the government is a total disester!!!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:43 AM Proud Discriminator Says:

Yes that's right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the Slonimer Rabbi Shlit"a and Rav Eliashiv Shlita and the Gerrer Rebbe Shlita and all the other gedolim the participated in the demonstrations both in jerushalaim and bnei-braq are called discriminators PLEASE COUNT ME IN.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
knowitall Says:

Whyis it hat chareidim don't show such emotion when a soldier gets killed protecting them? They seem to only want to take but not to give. That is the cause of the animosity, and, frankly, there is basis for it.

your comparison couldnt be sillier

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:48 AM Dems Be Babies!! Says:

Reply to #67  
Nucham Says:

the guy holding the sign (in top picture) "I AM GOING TO JAIL BECAUSE OF THE EDUCATION OF MY DAUGHTER" looks like he is only 14 years old, how old is his daughter?

i was wondering the same thing. its once again, people protestng because they are bored! lets see them come out for gilad shalit. and thos that may say that its only been a few years, and gilad still has a chance vis a vis political solution, how about Jonathan Pollard, who should live ad meah ve'esrim shanah in Eretz HaKodesh?!?

some of these same "gedolim" who supposedly appeared at this rally (w/o pictires i do not believe it, some post that he came to give dvrei something or other is no proof) claimed jonathan is a case of pidyon shvuyim deoraisa! rabbosai, you are michallel shabbos mamesh to help someone, and not a peep! not a rally! not even kol koreh's! nothing! the silence is deafening! i am embarrased today to be associated with chareidi! i guess ill just have to be a le-umi, and drop the chareidi part. (btw, whether or not there is racism or segregation is a side issue, its the non thinking that goes into appearant condoning of racist behaviour)

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:50 AM Q Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

No soldier protects chareidim or anybody else for that matter. Hashem protects us. Take your apikorsisha mentality elsewhere.

You leave the doors to your house unlocked at night? You leave the doors open when you go out?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #77  
Anonymous Says:

you are an apikores. r' elyashiv is the gadol hador not some convience store rabbi! if you can't accept that then the mesora of klal yisroel is over. you might as well convert to a different religion. that's what makes yiddeshkite special and i'm sorry you don't understand that. i wish you all the best in striving in yiddeshkite, and only the best for your family.

Read the poster. No. 77 acknowledges that these are important rabbonim but simply encourages the readers to take the time to review all the facts and not make a decision based on the sound bites and screaming at these demonstrations. Hashem gave us the sechel to reason for ourselves. Certainly, the views of the great rabbis must be taken into account in our assessment of the facts.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:58 AM Chaim Says:

1) Chareidim do not work
2) They live off the state
3) they do not serve in the army
4) they do not give hakaras hatov for those who die for them
5) they riot
6) they push women off buses
7) they discriminate

I hope they move to my neighborhood.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:12 PM Just Thinking Says:

The sephardic parents ARE SCARED to come out in public to express their true opinions. Not scared of being physically harmed, but emotionally and socially. They will be barred from Haredi society, and you all known that.

Even the Sephardic leadership agrees, that it is not a good thing that bagatz gets involved in our education, but if there is no choice and this is the last choice, it must be done, with a broken heart. The gedolim there are protesting the fact that Bagatz got involved, not that the school is not biased

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Perhaps it would be better if the courts didn't get involved, but anyone have better ideas? the situation for Sepharadim in Israel was horrible for decades, there was only a matter of time when this would happen.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #79  
bucky Says:

If you are going to take State money, you must abide by there rules. Same in the U.S. Stop taking Israeli taxpayer money and you can do as you please. Simple as that. And folks, if ANY of you think this does not have to do with skin color and nation of origin, you are naive. Yes, no bias against Sephardim exists in the Frum world....(sarcasm). I am appalled at this, but once again, we should not judge Judaism by looking at Jews. We are all flawed, but Hashem and his Torah is perfect.

And if you don't like their rules, you have a right to choose a different school, which the parents apparently did. The court did not like that, so they threatened the second school and will now imprison the parents for contempt of court.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:15 PM Anonymous Says:

By the way, there were 2 parents of daughters who were not accepted who were interviewed anonymously last year, if I'm not mistaken, VIN posted the video.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #87  
yerushalmi Says:

This article was written by a friend, a member of the Slonimer community in Betar:

The story with Emanuel is a long one…

Emanuel is home to a community of Slonimers and a community of Sefardim – the majority of which are not religious.
There is only one elementary school for girls there -the Beit Yaakov in controversy. Until this law suit came into being, the school had 2 tracks – the religious track which serviced the religious girls i.e. the Slonimers and a handfull of Sefardi girls who are religious – and the non-religious track which serviced the non-religious girls – all of them Sefardim. Both tracks were quite happy with this arrangement.

Mr. Lelom, who receives funding from a extreme left anti-chareidi organization, has no personal interest in Emanuel, as he does not live there nor do his family members. His law suit is motivated by an agenda to vilify charedim as racists, and not at all to promote the interests of the Sefardim in Emanuel. 80% of the parents from the non-religious track signed a petition to stop the lawsuit because they are happy to keep their daughters ’segregated’. The teaching staff for both tracks of the Beit Yaakov consisted of Slonimer mothers – those now going to jail – and so Lelom’s victory has left the ‘vicitimized’ Sefardi girls with no teachers and has done nothing to help their education.

When this lawsuit began, the Slonimer parents consulted with the Slonimer Rebbe who advised them against mixing the tracks and bringing their daughters into contact with mixed dancing, television, treife food, etc etc. The parents sent a request to the bagatz to allow them to explain their position. This request was ignored, and until 1 1/2 months ago, all of the proceedings were based off of information provided by Mr. Lelom.
In the meantime, they took their daughters out of school, and started ‘home schooling’ them.

The week before Lag B’Omer, the Slonimer parents were subpoenaed to court to deal with their ‘contempt of court’ for not integrating the classes (and for not sending their daughters to a recognized school).

In court, the parents explained that their decision to keep the classes separate was not racist – in fact there were Sefardi girls in the religious class! – it was merely a religious matter. One track preferred a sheltered religious approach to education, and the other did not.
(One parent – a ZAKA volunteer – went further and said that racism is obviously not part of their lives – when he ‘cleans up’ after a bombing he cleans up dark skin with the same broken heart that he cleans up white skin.)

The court was taken aback by hearing this ‘new’ information and ordered a compromise – that they create an acceptance board with members agreed to by both parties, kick all the girls out of school, re-accept them and place them in an appropriate track via this acceptance board.
Lelom did not accept this compromise. And so the parents were again ordered to send their girls to Beit Yaakov and mix the classes.

Despite the fines and threat of jailing, the parents adhered to the Slonimer Rebbe’s advice. They were told that the court would not oppose them if they decided to send their daughters to school outside of Emanuel. However, when they arranged for their daughters to attend a chassidish Beis Yaakov in Bnei Brak – the misrad hachinuch threatened to close the school down if they accepted the girls from Emanuel. The court would not allow the Slonimers to open a private school in Emanuel either.

The rest of the Charedi world has joined the Slonimers in this because this case is setting a precedent for the bagatz (who’s wisdom comes from where? This country does not even have a constitution that they can claim to base their decisions on!) to coerce parents in issues regarding the education of their children. The protest today, and the parents’ willingness to go to jail, is meant to demonstrate that we chareidim intend to educate our children in the way we chose – under the guidance of our gedolim and NOT under the coercion of the bagatz. And that we chareidim are willing to make sacrifices to uphold our freedom of religion – freedom to practice Torah true Judaism in this country that calls itself Jewish.

The judge (the only Sefardi judge on the bagatz – hmmm… sounds kind of racist….) stated clearly that he sees no reason why a Rabbi’s opinion should have any baring once he has made a ruling. And he compared this to the ’separate but equal’ and desegragation struggles in the US 50 years ago.
The Slonimers have stated clearly that they answer to G-d alone (not to some arrogant man who believes in judicial activism), and compared this to the sacrifice and triumph of the Chashmonaim when the Greeks tried to undermine their Judaism.

We should be zoche to see Hashem’s name sanctified, and raise our children to give Him nachas!

S.

"""The judge (the only Sefardi judge on the bagatz – hmmm… sounds kind of racist….) stated clearly that he sees no reason why a Rabbi’s opinion should have any baring once he has made a ruling. And he compared this to the ’separate but equal’ and desegragation struggles in the US 50 years ago.""""

I don't know if you noticed, but your comment was racist for sure

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #69  
Anonymous Says:

whats rong with mixing sephardi and ashkinazi?

Ashkenazim of Eretz Yisroel lost their mesorah of the mitzva to love a fellow Jew, even if he's different than you. Until they get it back somehow (maybe the gedolim could help with this), you can be sure Moshiach will not come.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Will the agudah orgenize a rally in ny?

Grow up looser. No one needs a rally in ny. How bout go to the beis medrash and learn or daven or say some tehllim. Get a life. Hashem is prob vrying that 100,000 people who claim to be in kollel are out causing problems instead of in beis medrash were there supposed to be. There are other ways of dealing with things. grow up.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Did any of the Gedolim actually look into the facts and speak to the other side in Emanuel?? Did they meet with Rabbi Yaakov Yosef?
or did they send chasidim to storm his shul?
Food for thought

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:22 PM Anonymous Says:

There are 2 seperate issues here, 1 should the gov get involved
2 is the school racist

I think the answer is no and yes on the second question.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #94  
Q Says:

You leave the doors to your house unlocked at night? You leave the doors open when you go out?

And my doors have been unlocked plenty times and nothing happened. Oh, and I've got a Mezuzah, by the way.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #80  
Principal Says:

Simple question:

Does Satmar have a right not to accept a Mechon girl?
Does Mechon Have a right not to accept a Satmar girl?
Both have a great school, are white, have wonderful students, But their levels and degrees of religious observance and customs are different.
How many Ashkenazy white girls are turned away annually from Tomar Dvora, Bnos Zion, Bais Sara etc. There is zero discrimination involved.
Just because Maimonides and Harlem and Columbia Prebyterian and Cornell are called Hospitals does not mean they are equal. I have a right to choose Cornell and not go to a different one that provides "different " care. Its not discrimination.

When I grew up Bais Yakov of BP had two tracks, too: Yiddish classes and Hebrew classes. I bet the Israeli High court would've found that discriminatory as well.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Maybe the religious Jews were better off if Israel was under arab rule, then this wouldn't happen, the israeli government is made up by a bunch of thugs and criminals, it has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism and it is an abomination of the Torah and everything we hold sacred, and Satmar Rabbi Reb Yoilish was right that there is no way in the world that our redemption can come from those "porkei ol malchus shamayim", it is high time that this establishment of "kofrim" should be dissolved and our speedy redemption.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Where were all these people when 10,000 were kicked out of their houses 5 years ago???

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

were can i read this

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
zalman Says:

Is there a bracha to say when you see so many naaranim gathered in one location?

its better to be a fool ones whole life then to be arasha one hour before g-d stated in the talmud

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:31 PM Wowed Says:

I still can't get over comment number 1, comparing Sepharadim & Ashkenazim to Arabs & Jews???
A disgrace!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
knowitall Says:

The Chareidim need alternative forms of entertainment.

its the people who become fuzzed up with ther ipods

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:33 PM Haredi Guy Says:

This is sick racism.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #74  
Anonymous Says:

Yes, the chiloni die for the cahreidim. I am not asking that they march every time a soldier is killed. But they have not done it even once in over 60 years! Ever heard of Hakaras Hatov ? It would appear from their conduct that they are apathetic and could care less how many soldiers die protecting them. All that is important is that a sefardi girl doesn't sit next to their daughter in a classroom. Shameful!

No actual the chiloni dies for other chilonim in mind.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #95  
Anonymous Says:

Read the poster. No. 77 acknowledges that these are important rabbonim but simply encourages the readers to take the time to review all the facts and not make a decision based on the sound bites and screaming at these demonstrations. Hashem gave us the sechel to reason for ourselves. Certainly, the views of the great rabbis must be taken into account in our assessment of the facts.

I must say I do appreciate the fact that the views of the great rabbis must be taken into account while you`re assessing the facts...but I will pass on for now to hear your conclusion once you`re done with your assessment...

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:40 PM now what Says:

Reply to #3  
Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

Yes that's right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the Slonimer Rabbi Shlit"a and Rav Eliashiv Shlita and the Gerrer Rebbe Shlita and all the other gedolim the participated in the demonstrations both in jerushalaim and bnei-braq are called discriminators PLEASE COUNT ME IN

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #100  
Anonymous Says:

By the way, there were 2 parents of daughters who were not accepted who were interviewed anonymously last year, if I'm not mistaken, VIN posted the video.

You see, "anonymously", that's the key word here, why didn't they come forward in court?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #108  
Anonymous Says:

Maybe the religious Jews were better off if Israel was under arab rule, then this wouldn't happen, the israeli government is made up by a bunch of thugs and criminals, it has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism and it is an abomination of the Torah and everything we hold sacred, and Satmar Rabbi Reb Yoilish was right that there is no way in the world that our redemption can come from those "porkei ol malchus shamayim", it is high time that this establishment of "kofrim" should be dissolved and our speedy redemption.

So go live in Nablus or Gaza or Ramallah.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #108  
Anonymous Says:

Maybe the religious Jews were better off if Israel was under arab rule, then this wouldn't happen, the israeli government is made up by a bunch of thugs and criminals, it has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism and it is an abomination of the Torah and everything we hold sacred, and Satmar Rabbi Reb Yoilish was right that there is no way in the world that our redemption can come from those "porkei ol malchus shamayim", it is high time that this establishment of "kofrim" should be dissolved and our speedy redemption.

Weren't the Avos Sefardim?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

No soldier protects chareidim or anybody else for that matter. Hashem protects us. Take your apikorsisha mentality elsewhere.

Oh ok. So how about u take a nice little vacation in to ramallah or gaza. Just u. Dont worry hashem will protect u. Lets see ur unwavering bitachon then. Moron.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:45 PM Anonymous Says:

For those of you screaming how important it is to listen to the gadolim who are speaking at the demonstration, please watch the video carefully. While these gadolim are speaking on the platform, the other rabonnim and leaders around them are chattering among themselves or on cellphones; some are sitting and looking off in other directions but most seem to be totally distracted and bored. If the organizers of the demonstration and other rabbonim show such lack of respect when a so-called "gadol" speaks, it says much about the legitimacy of this whole exercise in political theatre.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #108  
Anonymous Says:

Maybe the religious Jews were better off if Israel was under arab rule, then this wouldn't happen, the israeli government is made up by a bunch of thugs and criminals, it has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism and it is an abomination of the Torah and everything we hold sacred, and Satmar Rabbi Reb Yoilish was right that there is no way in the world that our redemption can come from those "porkei ol malchus shamayim", it is high time that this establishment of "kofrim" should be dissolved and our speedy redemption.

You are a fool. “ Maybe the religious Jews were better off if Israel was under arab rule, then this wouldn't happen"

That's right it wouldn't happen, because the arabs massacred the religious Jews, used their parents tombstones as latrines, and didn't allow the Jews to go the Kotel. Ah, yes you can pine for the "Good Old Days." You can also move to an arab country NOW, and see how they will treat you.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Just a thought Says:

From what I hear, all stores throughout Jerusalem are operating with full staff. No workers requested leave for the protest. All kollelim are empty though.

Extremely well said.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #92  
Anonymous Says:

your comparison couldnt be sillier

Please explain! When was the last time there was a protest by chareidim that concerned something other than what effects their narrow daled amos? If you don't understand the comparison, then you are part of the problem!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #108  
Anonymous Says:

Maybe the religious Jews were better off if Israel was under arab rule, then this wouldn't happen, the israeli government is made up by a bunch of thugs and criminals, it has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism and it is an abomination of the Torah and everything we hold sacred, and Satmar Rabbi Reb Yoilish was right that there is no way in the world that our redemption can come from those "porkei ol malchus shamayim", it is high time that this establishment of "kofrim" should be dissolved and our speedy redemption.

How come the rich Sephardim are good enough for you to come shnooring to in Brooklyn and Deal?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:02 PM Anonymous Says:

**16:50 – Sara Beck (Channel 2, who broke the Emanuel case months ago) Today I am very pained. I believe both sides could have stopped this insanity. This is a very very sad day. The situation becomes increasingly complicated, with a wall now existing between the girls in Emanuel.

**16:52 – Sara Beck: Viewing over 100,000 people reciting Shema Yisrael is indeed very emotional but saying “shema yisrael yes and the state no is very painful for me”. There were 1001 ways to solve the problem in Emanuel, but I believe both sides wished to bring this to a case of the Torah against the State of Israel.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Ynet reports about 30 chareidim attempted to attack Rav Yaakov Yosef as he left a shiur. The Rav was not injured Baruch Hashem.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:04 PM avrumi Says:

אני מחו"ל וכל זה מגעיל אותי.אני בתור ספרדי מרגיש כאילו ערבים מפגינים נגדי.בוכה אני מעומק הלב על שבר בת עמי. שלא יהיה חלקי כחלקם! פשוט לא מבין!
this is a horrible situation!!!!! we should not be amazed when a few more ships will come with a few hundred hizballah members on board and the whole world will stand together behind them rh"l. ACHDUS RABOSAI!!!!!!!!! maybe ashkenazim don't really know what it means: they created all sorts of sects hating each other. lubavitchers against satmer, satmer vs satmer, the same for bobov..... what does hareidi mean? being dressed in white and black but nothing about a genuine emunah. i really doubt about our so-called gdoilim. the true gdoilim as RAV GEDALIA NADEL Z"L are even not known. they hated the so-called "frumkeit". all this is quite sad.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:08 PM Chaim ben Yehuda Zev Says:

"Attempts to find a compromise were orchestrated Wednesday by former Shas chairman Aryeh Deri, who met in Jerusalem with the most prominent leader of the Ashkenazi community in the northern West Bank settlement of Immanuel - the Slonim grand rabbi, Shmuel Berezovsky."

Would this be the same Aryeh Deri, the former leader of Shas and government minister, who went to prison for three years in 2001 after being convicted of receiving a bribe, fraud and violation of trust?

If I was Aryeh Deri, I would be ashamed to show my face in public. Shandah, momish a shandah.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #121  
Anonymous Says:

Oh ok. So how about u take a nice little vacation in to ramallah or gaza. Just u. Dont worry hashem will protect u. Lets see ur unwavering bitachon then. Moron.

Since the chorban, all of us are living in ramallah in gaza, even if you don't seem to realize that. Only by the protection of Hashem are we still alive.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:16 PM Anonymous Says:

In Chabad moisdos they do not hesitate to accept Sefardic students because a Jew is aJew is a Jew! Period.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:21 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

This is what happens when allegedly "frum" yiddin disgrace themselves and dishonor the Torah by judging and labeling others. A frock and black hat don't make you frum any more so than going without a yarmulka makes someone a goy. Chareidim have no more a claim to Torah true Judaism than the reform do. The only requirement to be a member of this tribe is that mommy has to be a member. After that, live and let live. Stop redefining the derech into this narrow and meaningless taliban-like cult.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:23 PM Aharon Assaraf Says:

I am writing this simply to point out how sad this reality is! These "Chareidi" people can claim whatever they like, and they can use whatever excuse they feel fit, the TRUTH IS, that they believe that THIS BEHAVIOR is what they consider "chinuch" or education, this is the worst lesson you can show your child, that the parents will go to jail to prove how RACIST they are, but they wont go TO WORK, to put food on the table for the family. You have all the time in the world to go and protest in Jerusalem, and Bnei Brak, but you wont sit down and think for a minute how much "SINAAT CHINAM" this is!!!

This is real animalistic behavior, and all of the "Gedolim" should be ASHAMED that they allow and support this terrible tragedy to KLAL ISRAEL...

FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME ABOUT HOW RACIST YOU TRULY ARE!!!
-Aharon Assaraf

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #104  
Anonymous Says:

Did any of the Gedolim actually look into the facts and speak to the other side in Emanuel?? Did they meet with Rabbi Yaakov Yosef?
or did they send chasidim to storm his shul?
Food for thought

Yes you are a big liar.Rav elyashiv was in written contact with rav yoaakov yosef the whole time.He even showed his humilty writing a very demurring letter.All that was to no avail.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
Yashar Says:

you are a sicko.
comparing sephardi and ashkenazi integration to arab and jewish?????
you frighten me
what is wrong with you??? I hope you don't consider yourself a torah jew

I believe he was being sarcastic.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #104  
Anonymous Says:

Did any of the Gedolim actually look into the facts and speak to the other side in Emanuel?? Did they meet with Rabbi Yaakov Yosef?
or did they send chasidim to storm his shul?
Food for thought

For any fool who beleives it's a whole racist parents who are in jail.There are 24 sephardim in prison!,2 of them spoke today in public!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:34 PM catalyst Says:

this issue might or might not be based on discrimination. but one thing is certain, the response it generated is bringing to light the poisonous racisim in the jewish community. there are so many examples i can cite based on these comments, but i will limit myself to the most glaring.

1. as proof of why segregation is not racism and should be an accepted part of jewish life, commentors are citing examples of segregation that exist throughout our culture, for example different sects of chasidim not mixing with each other, girls frum high schools not accepting girls from a different girls frum high school...
reality check: this is racisim! and yes, this has been going on for years, that does not make it okay.

2. the biggest argument for this segregation is that jews of different religious levels should not mix.
reality check: this is racism! we should be secure enough in our religious observance that we don't fear "influence" by less observant brothers.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:37 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

#25 keep eating your cheeseburgers and driving to McDonald's on Shabbos, you shagitz.

This attitude is precisely the problem. #39, news flash, you are no better with your kemach yoshon and cholov yisroel. No worse, but certainly no better. The RBSO is the judge, no you.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

Only one problem, there are quite a few Sephardic students in the Beis Yaakov of Immanuel. Some of these Sephardic girls will not have their parents at home for Shabbos, because their parents are in jail.

There are people who are trying to make this into an ethnic issue, which it may possibly be! The ethnic divide being the level of observance in the students home, not where the students great-grandparents home was located!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #125  
Anonymous Says:

Please explain! When was the last time there was a protest by chareidim that concerned something other than what effects their narrow daled amos? If you don't understand the comparison, then you are part of the problem!

you shouldnt have bigger problems in your life, but silly you remain

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #107  
Anonymous Says:

When I grew up Bais Yakov of BP had two tracks, too: Yiddish classes and Hebrew classes. I bet the Israeli High court would've found that discriminatory as well.

No gov't money at BY

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Secular Says:

What an astonishing picture!

Thousands of chareidim rallying together...for what?
So that one group could say to the other 'we are frumer than you'...
What a waste of man power..what a waste of time...what a Bittul torah!

One wonders why protests are not as vocal for the release of Gilad Shalit (true Pidyon shvuyim), or against the defemation of Israel in the wake of the flotilla raid, or during the Lebanon war.

Could you imagine the good it would do for Klal Israel if these men used their power, passion and strength, not only to protest sound causes, but incorporate themselves into society. Instead we have underdeveloped uneducated boors who look like some Gedolim used to look 100 years ago protesting someone else's school. a childish cause... For what??
The sefardi 'Gedolim' are in a pickle, because on the one hand they and the people they represent have an inferiority complex when it comes to their religiosity(frumkeit), the tone is set by Ashkenazi Chareidim. Indeed many of the movers and shakers Eli Yishai, Benizri, Deri are all products of Ashkenazi education. That is why they are elites....

Im sure our gedoilim know what they are doing without your 2 cents.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #80  
Principal Says:

Simple question:

Does Satmar have a right not to accept a Mechon girl?
Does Mechon Have a right not to accept a Satmar girl?
Both have a great school, are white, have wonderful students, But their levels and degrees of religious observance and customs are different.
How many Ashkenazy white girls are turned away annually from Tomar Dvora, Bnos Zion, Bais Sara etc. There is zero discrimination involved.
Just because Maimonides and Harlem and Columbia Prebyterian and Cornell are called Hospitals does not mean they are equal. I have a right to choose Cornell and not go to a different one that provides "different " care. Its not discrimination.

This is the first comment that actually makes sense. Everyone is too b usy trying to show how frum they are. That is not the question here. The question is if the school has a right to keep ashkenazi and sefardi separate. And the fact is YES! As you have said, they can accept or not accept what kind of students to have in their school. And if their way of having both factions in their school is to have separate classes then that is their right. Parents not liking this can go to another school. There is B"H no shortage of schools. These children do have different customs and should be learning accordingly.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:54 PM Spell Czech Says:

Reply to #103  
Anonymous Says:

Grow up looser. No one needs a rally in ny. How bout go to the beis medrash and learn or daven or say some tehllim. Get a life. Hashem is prob vrying that 100,000 people who claim to be in kollel are out causing problems instead of in beis medrash were there supposed to be. There are other ways of dealing with things. grow up.

He probably grew up pretty loose, you don't want him growing up any looser but he may be a loser that needs to grow up.
I think it's worth taking off work to make sure no one other than (Northern Belorussian) Ashkenazim (no Yekkis or Polish please definitley) not Sephardim (especially the ones from Kushta/Algeria) end up in my child's school.
I'm not a racist I'm a regionalist.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:58 PM Anonymous Says:

the problem that the parents of imanuel had was with kids who do not fill the schools takanos(i.e. especially on tzinus). there are two schools next to each other one is Torani and one is not. the Torani school that everyone is screaming about, how they don't expect sefardim is 30% sefardi. there is no discrimination here at all. get your facts together guys

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 01:59 PM Anonymous Says:

correction - there is no discrimination by the parents only the judge

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:07 PM 100021 Says:

I am astonished, truly astonished.

So far, I have seen >145 comments on this thread - which deals with the imprisonment of Yiddn.

NOT ONE CONTRIBUTOR has suggested setting up a pidyon shevuyim fund for the men and women who will go to jail.

NOT ONE CONTRIBUTOR has given any thought to the welfare of the kinderlach who will be parentless for up to two weeks.

This is the biggest BUSHA I have seen for many years. Or are the askonim too busy fanning the flames of discontent to think about these very important matters?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Just Thinking Says:

Before anyone gets carried away, Chacham Ovaida said THERE IS DISCRIMINATION but it shoudl not have gone to the courts.

There are 14 Sphardi parents that are going to Jail. How can the discriminate against themselves? You are a fool for buying into one statement taken out of context.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:10 PM Anonymous Says:

May this protest finally lead to Am Yisroel.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:10 PM Anonymous Says:

May this matter finally lead to Klal Yisrael

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

It may be the biggest demonstration, but also the bigges "hillul hashem." And this, spearheaded by the Slonimer who claim that they stand for achdut. It doesn't matter if they can rationalize their cause, now they are perceived by most Israelis and Jews all over as being discriminatory and so insular that they are afraid that G-D forbid their daughters should sit next to someone in school whose parents might have become religious and even text message. If the Slonimers really believed in achdut they would try and set an example that others might follow. My family has in the past supported Slonimers, however now, let them go elsewhere. I cannot support the "hillul hashem," on the eve of the three weeks and tisha b'av. Have they not learned their lessons?

R Elyashiv, Ger Rebbe, Slonimer Rebbe, R Steinman, R korlitz, R kanievsky, R Scheinberg and all our other gedoilim dont hold it as a chillul hashem, and you do?
hahahahahahaha

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Sephardic Says:

Amazing what people can do in the name of G-d.
Did anyone read the courts verdict?? It is available on the web for those who want to see it.
The courts brought clear proofs of discrimination for race reasons only, not religious. The principal of the girl school there, Mrs Wienfeld, was quoted as saying, "We don't want Sepharadim here" and many other such comments.
Get the details from both sides before commenting

So why are sephardic children in tears today as their parenys are arrsted?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Secular Says:

What an astonishing picture!

Thousands of chareidim rallying together...for what?
So that one group could say to the other 'we are frumer than you'...
What a waste of man power..what a waste of time...what a Bittul torah!

One wonders why protests are not as vocal for the release of Gilad Shalit (true Pidyon shvuyim), or against the defemation of Israel in the wake of the flotilla raid, or during the Lebanon war.

Could you imagine the good it would do for Klal Israel if these men used their power, passion and strength, not only to protest sound causes, but incorporate themselves into society. Instead we have underdeveloped uneducated boors who look like some Gedolim used to look 100 years ago protesting someone else's school. a childish cause... For what??
The sefardi 'Gedolim' are in a pickle, because on the one hand they and the people they represent have an inferiority complex when it comes to their religiosity(frumkeit), the tone is set by Ashkenazi Chareidim. Indeed many of the movers and shakers Eli Yishai, Benizri, Deri are all products of Ashkenazi education. That is why they are elites....

Rav wasner shlita was there, who surely would not partake in such an event without any details.....who are we to judge the rally, and not speak one word with him???

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #138  
catalyst Says:

this issue might or might not be based on discrimination. but one thing is certain, the response it generated is bringing to light the poisonous racisim in the jewish community. there are so many examples i can cite based on these comments, but i will limit myself to the most glaring.

1. as proof of why segregation is not racism and should be an accepted part of jewish life, commentors are citing examples of segregation that exist throughout our culture, for example different sects of chasidim not mixing with each other, girls frum high schools not accepting girls from a different girls frum high school...
reality check: this is racisim! and yes, this has been going on for years, that does not make it okay.

2. the biggest argument for this segregation is that jews of different religious levels should not mix.
reality check: this is racism! we should be secure enough in our religious observance that we don't fear "influence" by less observant brothers.

That's very foolish argument. You expect three yr olds to be enough secure against the influence of TV? Even non-jews agree that it can have a very negative effect. It's like saying your for ... education for your 8 yr old.

The main argument is however, that the goverment should bug out of our school system. Our leaders were not born yesterday, they are older then the state and need no lecture on how to run their schools. Our leaders from all backgrounds agree on this. Even Rabbi Ovadya, who is the leader of the Sphardim has denounced the high court for interfering in our internal differences. The leaders of the Lithuanian Hassidic sects as well have combined their powers to fight this and I will not question the majority of lour leaders, even if they would be wrong. As the Tora says ועשית ככל אשר יוריך .

Our system may not be perfect, but, as MK Gafni said, "I dont want what you have in your schools", the violence the murders etc.. They have more issues in their schools and let them just stay out. Let them stay out of our internal affairs, even the USA understands that. They want to stop funding, OK, but do not force the parents to send the kids to the school that they do fun.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:22 PM What Chilul Hashem.... Says:

Those that consider this a Chilul Hashem - maybe - but not of the Ashkenazim, rather of the Sefardim (not all, just those that instigated this mess, refused to listen to Daas Torah, and went to that "High Court").
There is nothing wrong with a parent choosing a school and education that limits the contacts of their children to houses that appreciate the same level of yiddishkeit. Many Sephardim have kids that do not dress tzniusdik and speak vulgar language. I too would not allow my children to mix with them. As for the real frum Sephardim - they had no problem, as their children do attend and are accepted in these Ashkenazi schools.
But for the hypocrites that still condemn the Emanuel parents and Slonimer Chasidim:
> You too do not allow Russian children in your ysehivas/ girl schools
> In Lakewood, they won't even allow children of a "Balabus" in their schools
> Few Iranian boys/girls found schools to take them in when they arrived in the USA
> You too would not send your children to Ateret Torah, Magen David, or any other fine Sephardic school
The parents in Emanuel, the Slonimer chasidim. all the Gedolim and protesters of today, were Mekadesh Shem Shomayim B'rabim.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #138  
catalyst Says:

this issue might or might not be based on discrimination. but one thing is certain, the response it generated is bringing to light the poisonous racisim in the jewish community. there are so many examples i can cite based on these comments, but i will limit myself to the most glaring.

1. as proof of why segregation is not racism and should be an accepted part of jewish life, commentors are citing examples of segregation that exist throughout our culture, for example different sects of chasidim not mixing with each other, girls frum high schools not accepting girls from a different girls frum high school...
reality check: this is racisim! and yes, this has been going on for years, that does not make it okay.

2. the biggest argument for this segregation is that jews of different religious levels should not mix.
reality check: this is racism! we should be secure enough in our religious observance that we don't fear "influence" by less observant brothers.

"WE" dont fear to mix, but we fear for our children, who are to young still, to discern between what the parents allow for her education or not

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:35 PM Hareidi Says:

Leave the story of Emanuel behind. What the protest was about, was the mixing in of the BAGATZ and not the story itself. The whole thing is, that someone went to the BAGATZ and not to the Bes Din as Hareidim should do, and the BAGATZ has nothing to mix in in this situation!!!!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #142  
Anonymous Says:

No gov't money at BY

You seem to have a hard time understanding what's going on. When the parents REMOVED their children from the school and bussed them to Bnei Brak, the court threw a hissy fit.
Discrimination is discrimination, regardless who pays for it.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Secular Says:

What an astonishing picture!

Thousands of chareidim rallying together...for what?
So that one group could say to the other 'we are frumer than you'...
What a waste of man power..what a waste of time...what a Bittul torah!

One wonders why protests are not as vocal for the release of Gilad Shalit (true Pidyon shvuyim), or against the defemation of Israel in the wake of the flotilla raid, or during the Lebanon war.

Could you imagine the good it would do for Klal Israel if these men used their power, passion and strength, not only to protest sound causes, but incorporate themselves into society. Instead we have underdeveloped uneducated boors who look like some Gedolim used to look 100 years ago protesting someone else's school. a childish cause... For what??
The sefardi 'Gedolim' are in a pickle, because on the one hand they and the people they represent have an inferiority complex when it comes to their religiosity(frumkeit), the tone is set by Ashkenazi Chareidim. Indeed many of the movers and shakers Eli Yishai, Benizri, Deri are all products of Ashkenazi education. That is why they are elites....

Exactly right! Why are these people not using their considerable energy for Gilad Shalit's cause ???
Why why why why why why....
and there is no answer...
except that Gilad is not "one of them"..... if Gilad was a hassid, (just like Rubashkin is a lubavitcher) all these people would be making a noise for him.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #134  
Aharon Assaraf Says:

I am writing this simply to point out how sad this reality is! These "Chareidi" people can claim whatever they like, and they can use whatever excuse they feel fit, the TRUTH IS, that they believe that THIS BEHAVIOR is what they consider "chinuch" or education, this is the worst lesson you can show your child, that the parents will go to jail to prove how RACIST they are, but they wont go TO WORK, to put food on the table for the family. You have all the time in the world to go and protest in Jerusalem, and Bnei Brak, but you wont sit down and think for a minute how much "SINAAT CHINAM" this is!!!

This is real animalistic behavior, and all of the "Gedolim" should be ASHAMED that they allow and support this terrible tragedy to KLAL ISRAEL...

FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME ABOUT HOW RACIST YOU TRULY ARE!!!
-Aharon Assaraf

YES!I applaud the parents who with true ahavas yisroel,slonimers,gerrers and sephardim,united going into to prison for the sake of torah!They are teaching them ahavas yisroel and true mesiras nefesh.How i envy them,those askenazim and sephardim!Ashrei chelkom in this world and the next!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

it is not racist, it is the religous level that the parents are worried about...

I bet : some of your best friends are Sephardi .

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Where was the Chareidi outcry by the expulsion of Gush Katif ???

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:49 PM Anonymous Says:

So let me get this straight, they don't want to live next to me, they don't want my children in school with theirs, yet they want my money to support them. Now I fahstheish.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #131  
Anonymous Says:

Since the chorban, all of us are living in ramallah in gaza, even if you don't seem to realize that. Only by the protection of Hashem are we still alive.

I presume then that you have no problem walking down a street in Gaza since Hashem will protect you.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:03 PM Shloimie Says:

That's an Ashkenazi "Gadol" for you: crying that his girl will have to go to school with a Sephardic girl. They're nothing more than some old, bigoted Russian Jews...

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #166  
Shloimie Says:

That's an Ashkenazi "Gadol" for you: crying that his girl will have to go to school with a Sephardic girl. They're nothing more than some old, bigoted Russian Jews...

No, there are 14 Sphardim that are going to jail as well, so that their child doesn't learn with other sphardi child that does not live up to the standard of the school.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:24 PM Time To Vote Shas Says:

Only way to counter anti-Sefaradi racism from the frum and secular Ashkenazi elitists alike is to vote Shas. Next election, all Sefaradim, regardless of their religious, economic or educational background will vote Shas.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:27 PM Anonymous Says:

It's nothing to do with Sfardi & ashkenazic. It's frum jews versus Non-frum jews!!!!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #148  
100021 Says:

I am astonished, truly astonished.

So far, I have seen >145 comments on this thread - which deals with the imprisonment of Yiddn.

NOT ONE CONTRIBUTOR has suggested setting up a pidyon shevuyim fund for the men and women who will go to jail.

NOT ONE CONTRIBUTOR has given any thought to the welfare of the kinderlach who will be parentless for up to two weeks.

This is the biggest BUSHA I have seen for many years. Or are the askonim too busy fanning the flames of discontent to think about these very important matters?

I guess we all get our kicks out of something, they get them out of demonstrations and you my friend out of being self righteous and condemning those who
aren't living up to your standards.... either way i think that all you chraide people are insensitive, manipulative, controlling,and very arrogant..besides for the life of me, i cant understand why normal sfardie parents would want their kids to be educated in such a environment...

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #148  
100021 Says:

I am astonished, truly astonished.

So far, I have seen >145 comments on this thread - which deals with the imprisonment of Yiddn.

NOT ONE CONTRIBUTOR has suggested setting up a pidyon shevuyim fund for the men and women who will go to jail.

NOT ONE CONTRIBUTOR has given any thought to the welfare of the kinderlach who will be parentless for up to two weeks.

This is the biggest BUSHA I have seen for many years. Or are the askonim too busy fanning the flames of discontent to think about these very important matters?

Intellectual Torah is not real Torah, it has nothing to do with ones Neshoma , so therefore their is no inyen to give Kovad to those who are just pretending to be holy. People should stay away from our false leaders and Rebbeim and search for their own truth with Hashems help, much like Avroham Avinu and all the real Tzadikim through out our history. The Torah being taught today is Torah that is connected to ones ego and Gaivah. It's all about being the best, coming up with the greatest pilpul and chidushim. The ones with the brightest minds are honored and exulted above the rest. B'kitzur all that the torah world is machsiv are those who are intellectually superior to their peers.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #132  
Anonymous Says:

In Chabad moisdos they do not hesitate to accept Sefardic students because a Jew is aJew is a Jew! Period.

as long as they are mkabel(accept) from you, and give you kovod of course you accept them...

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #132  
Anonymous Says:

In Chabad moisdos they do not hesitate to accept Sefardic students because a Jew is aJew is a Jew! Period.

haster aster......hashem says that i will hide my hiding from you...which means that you wont even realize that"I Hashem am hiding from you". You will think that you have it all, Rebbunim,Torah,Halacha, Mitzvahs, big yeshivas,nice mikvahs, everything that pertains to your imagination of what it means to be a good yid. In reality this is only a front, your exterior. This has nothing to do with whats really happening inside of you. Bikitzur there is little soul in any of this, becuase you're not connected to the eitz hachaim. In my opinon the frum yidden today do as much damage to the world as any other group. Rebbunim and their followers walk around with disdain and judgment for the rest of humanity. As long as i'm going to Olam Haba, the rest of the world can go to Heck in a hand basket. Talmidea Chachomom who learn Torah today bring judgment and din on the rest of the world because they have no Rachmonis on the world. Instead of looking for the good in humanity, they look for their own status so they can view themselves as being far superior to the rest of us. There is no Torah by these Rebbunim.Torah and Gaivah don't go hand in hand..

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #132  
Anonymous Says:

In Chabad moisdos they do not hesitate to accept Sefardic students because a Jew is aJew is a Jew! Period.

The Maharal writes that very few people should have the title Rav, I guess all these great Rebbunim think that they are the exception. The Maharal also writes that the Rebbunim will destroy the Torah because they began excepting salaries from their keheila. once you take money to study Torah, whether you like it or not, you are influenced by those around you. How can one remain impartial and completely honest when you are in essence accepting shochat(bribery). You become behalten(indebted)to those who are supporting you and your organizations. More then that you become a stage figure,always looking to appear as if you are deserving of the honor that is being bestowed upon you. Isn't funny that their are more people today with the title Goan then there were in the whole goanim time period. It says in the Medrash that hashem said that he sees that will be very few Tzadikim therefore says Hashem"I will spread them out through out all the generations. If that is true, I ask you how is possible that there are so many people who we call Tzadikim,,Maybe,just maybe, we lost the "real" definition of what being a real Tzadik is.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 03:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #132  
Anonymous Says:

In Chabad moisdos they do not hesitate to accept Sefardic students because a Jew is aJew is a Jew! Period.

maybe now the non religious will also take over all the chraide institutions, maybe even the Rebbunis. at least the chillunim realize that they are not perfect,the chraidem still think that they are gods gift to the world, and have the nerve to pretend to be the ambassadors to the world on behalf of all jews. what are they like 2% of all jews, and they act as if they are the only "real Jews","we follow halacha blah blah blah blah" .halacha is meaningless without a heart and soul. if you want to do the world a favor, stop adding so many chumrahs and looking down at the world in judgment while elevating yourselves in the process....If Avroham Avinu could look for the good in Sodom then you guys could also look for the good in humanity. Doesn't the midresh say that those who don't have Rachmonis are definitely not descendants of Avroham Avinu.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 04:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #163  
Anonymous Says:

Where was the Chareidi outcry by the expulsion of Gush Katif ???

their was none, it didn't happen in a chraide community, remember !!!.. a couple of frum people recieve a 2 week sentence and over 100,000 people demonstrate, but when 10,000 Jews are kicked out of Eretz Yisroel .....NOTHING.....Oh i almost forgot i think Rav Eliyashiv was given around 90,000,000 million shekel from the Govermen, for chraide institutions, around the same time as the expulsion ....

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 04:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
informed Says:

Contrary to popular belief, the "non-religious" parents in Emanuel are actually fully shomer shabbos, religious in every way, but perhaps from Baal Teshuva families or other such "flaws"

in court the parents showed pictures of the other parents( who happen to be sfardy) dancing at a school get together, men and ladies holding hands! not getting involved in the incident, you could understand why it is perfectly ligitimate to have a chassidick run,right?there isnt anything wrong with a tznius code! there is 27% sfardy in a chassidick school. sounds high to me! 5% of univercity students are sfardy! you might think differently if you saw what i saw today! a father and mother saying goodbye to thier crying children! i hope all the children will manage on their own. some of children are special children! one set of parents will miss their sons bar-mitzvah! try to picture youself....(are you crying yet?)

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 04:47 PM Anonymous Says:

A dispute is l'sheim Shamayim if its consequences result in more harmony and more kedusha. This dispute does not appear to be l'sheim Shamayim;.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 05:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #177  
Anonymous Says:

in court the parents showed pictures of the other parents( who happen to be sfardy) dancing at a school get together, men and ladies holding hands! not getting involved in the incident, you could understand why it is perfectly ligitimate to have a chassidick run,right?there isnt anything wrong with a tznius code! there is 27% sfardy in a chassidick school. sounds high to me! 5% of univercity students are sfardy! you might think differently if you saw what i saw today! a father and mother saying goodbye to thier crying children! i hope all the children will manage on their own. some of children are special children! one set of parents will miss their sons bar-mitzvah! try to picture youself....(are you crying yet?)

yes. like a crocodile .

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 05:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #174  
Anonymous Says:

The Maharal writes that very few people should have the title Rav, I guess all these great Rebbunim think that they are the exception. The Maharal also writes that the Rebbunim will destroy the Torah because they began excepting salaries from their keheila. once you take money to study Torah, whether you like it or not, you are influenced by those around you. How can one remain impartial and completely honest when you are in essence accepting shochat(bribery). You become behalten(indebted)to those who are supporting you and your organizations. More then that you become a stage figure,always looking to appear as if you are deserving of the honor that is being bestowed upon you. Isn't funny that their are more people today with the title Goan then there were in the whole goanim time period. It says in the Medrash that hashem said that he sees that will be very few Tzadikim therefore says Hashem"I will spread them out through out all the generations. If that is true, I ask you how is possible that there are so many people who we call Tzadikim,,Maybe,just maybe, we lost the "real" definition of what being a real Tzadik is.

i wonder what the maharal would of said about "judge" levy! (btw. the maharal is not refering to the fact that we have to listen to the kedolim.)this is nothing new all through the generations, klal yisroel was moser nefesh to teach torah with out gov. interferance! in russia there were also "courts"

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 05:02 PM Anonymous Says:

אכתןב בלה"ק,
קיומו של התורה במשך כל הדורות בגלות המר הוא הודות ל'התבדלות, ובאנגלית discrimination
המפגינים רוצים דבר אחד, שתמיד נהי' מתבדלים ממי שאינו מתנהג בדרך התורה, לא משנה מה שהחילונים מקשקשים.
לא חלילה מתבדלים מתימנים, לא מתבדלים מספרדים.
מתבדלים מכל מי שאינו ציית לדברי התורה ושולחן ערוך.
אחדות בין יראי השם; התבדלות ממחללי השם!

בדרך התורה נלך לקדש שם מים.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 05:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #177  
Anonymous Says:

in court the parents showed pictures of the other parents( who happen to be sfardy) dancing at a school get together, men and ladies holding hands! not getting involved in the incident, you could understand why it is perfectly ligitimate to have a chassidick run,right?there isnt anything wrong with a tznius code! there is 27% sfardy in a chassidick school. sounds high to me! 5% of univercity students are sfardy! you might think differently if you saw what i saw today! a father and mother saying goodbye to thier crying children! i hope all the children will manage on their own. some of children are special children! one set of parents will miss their sons bar-mitzvah! try to picture youself....(are you crying yet?)

On the contrary , I am laughing .I see everyone is ,rather , in a festive mood .A good time being had by all .

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 05:06 PM Moshe Says:

This has nothing to do with ethnic discrimination; it’s totally a religies issue. I heard some of the jailed father’s are Sfardim

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 05:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #177  
Anonymous Says:

in court the parents showed pictures of the other parents( who happen to be sfardy) dancing at a school get together, men and ladies holding hands! not getting involved in the incident, you could understand why it is perfectly ligitimate to have a chassidick run,right?there isnt anything wrong with a tznius code! there is 27% sfardy in a chassidick school. sounds high to me! 5% of univercity students are sfardy! you might think differently if you saw what i saw today! a father and mother saying goodbye to thier crying children! i hope all the children will manage on their own. some of children are special children! one set of parents will miss their sons bar-mitzvah! try to picture youself....(are you crying yet?)

Why all the strimlech . Seems like Purim celebration.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 05:21 PM glatekup Says:

a bunch of american bukes here. you dont understand what is going on. what this is all about. just go back to eating soft ice cream and pizza.

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 05:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #148  
100021 Says:

I am astonished, truly astonished.

So far, I have seen >145 comments on this thread - which deals with the imprisonment of Yiddn.

NOT ONE CONTRIBUTOR has suggested setting up a pidyon shevuyim fund for the men and women who will go to jail.

NOT ONE CONTRIBUTOR has given any thought to the welfare of the kinderlach who will be parentless for up to two weeks.

This is the biggest BUSHA I have seen for many years. Or are the askonim too busy fanning the flames of discontent to think about these very important matters?

there has been a pidyon shevuyim set up here in EY it was put into everyones mail box today and they were collecting by the rally.

Also Klal Yisroel dont call it a demonstration it was walking the parents to prison and what a kiddus Hashem it made that even the police commented at the end how impressed they were with the harmony

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #185  
glatekup Says:

a bunch of american bukes here. you dont understand what is going on. what this is all about. just go back to eating soft ice cream and pizza.

LOL,,i live in E.Y. and believe me that chraide Jews here eat pizza and ice cream like the best of them..

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 06:29 PM Arik Belgium Says:

1 thing is for sure : Moshiach is not coming which such a behavior !!!
(1) A Hafganah will never change any situation.
(2) This Hafganah will only make Chilonim more anti-Torah.

I do not support support any of the gedoile Yisrael that agreed for this and i'm sure if the lubavitsher Rebbe would be a life he would cry !!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 06:55 PM 718 Says:

Reply to #189  
Arik Belgium Says:

1 thing is for sure : Moshiach is not coming which such a behavior !!!
(1) A Hafganah will never change any situation.
(2) This Hafganah will only make Chilonim more anti-Torah.

I do not support support any of the gedoile Yisrael that agreed for this and i'm sure if the lubavitsher Rebbe would be a life he would cry !!

I guess you are not ready to greet the real Moshiach and you might even be part of the Erev Rav who are not going to be alive in Moshiachs times.

This was the greatest Kiddush Hashem in the last 60 years in Israel !!!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #190  
718 Says:

I guess you are not ready to greet the real Moshiach and you might even be part of the Erev Rav who are not going to be alive in Moshiachs times.

This was the greatest Kiddush Hashem in the last 60 years in Israel !!!

Greatest kiddush , minus Hashem .

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Where's a lighting bolt when you need one?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:22 PM to 190 Says:

it wasn't a kiddush hashem it was the chraide pride parade, kind of like the gay pride parade, except not as colorful, only black and white..

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 07:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #190  
718 Says:

I guess you are not ready to greet the real Moshiach and you might even be part of the Erev Rav who are not going to be alive in Moshiachs times.

This was the greatest Kiddush Hashem in the last 60 years in Israel !!!

Lo sisa eis Hashem Elokeichu l'shav .

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 08:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #192  
Anonymous Says:

Where's a lighting bolt when you need one?

I hope you are not Jewish .

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:53 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

i wonder what the maharal would of said about "judge" levy! (btw. the maharal is not refering to the fact that we have to listen to the kedolim.)this is nothing new all through the generations, klal yisroel was moser nefesh to teach torah with out gov. interferance! in russia there were also "courts"

I think that the Maharal would be much more concerned with how the Chareidem have distorted the Torah and would tell all Jewish people to stay the heck away from the Rebbunim...

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 09:56 PM Anonymous Says:

this is the greatest kiddush hashem i have ever seen! thousands of jews, joining together, beachdus, to protest mixing with sfardim!!! chasidim being moser nefesh, willing to go to jail, rather than have sfardim in their daughters class!!! there are even some sfardim joining in this achdus and protesting mixing of the jewish sects.... it brings a tear to my eye to witness such kedushah... it is truly a pelah and a wonder that moshiach has not come yet, with such heligih yidden upholding such a noble cause....

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #197  
Anonymous Says:

this is the greatest kiddush hashem i have ever seen! thousands of jews, joining together, beachdus, to protest mixing with sfardim!!! chasidim being moser nefesh, willing to go to jail, rather than have sfardim in their daughters class!!! there are even some sfardim joining in this achdus and protesting mixing of the jewish sects.... it brings a tear to my eye to witness such kedushah... it is truly a pelah and a wonder that moshiach has not come yet, with such heligih yidden upholding such a noble cause....

Peisi ., do you you ,even , know the meaning of Kiddush Hashem ?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #197  
Anonymous Says:

this is the greatest kiddush hashem i have ever seen! thousands of jews, joining together, beachdus, to protest mixing with sfardim!!! chasidim being moser nefesh, willing to go to jail, rather than have sfardim in their daughters class!!! there are even some sfardim joining in this achdus and protesting mixing of the jewish sects.... it brings a tear to my eye to witness such kedushah... it is truly a pelah and a wonder that moshiach has not come yet, with such heligih yidden upholding such a noble cause....

The greatest kiddush Hashem that i've seen : The IDF liberated Jerushalaim from the arabs .

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #180  
Anonymous Says:

i wonder what the maharal would of said about "judge" levy! (btw. the maharal is not refering to the fact that we have to listen to the kedolim.)this is nothing new all through the generations, klal yisroel was moser nefesh to teach torah with out gov. interferance! in russia there were also "courts"

I assume and hope that you are being sarcastic....

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 10:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #189  
Arik Belgium Says:

1 thing is for sure : Moshiach is not coming which such a behavior !!!
(1) A Hafganah will never change any situation.
(2) This Hafganah will only make Chilonim more anti-Torah.

I do not support support any of the gedoile Yisrael that agreed for this and i'm sure if the lubavitsher Rebbe would be a life he would cry !!

what?!? you mean to tell me he's not?!?

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

We have to fight this terribal decision by the judges. First they ask for ashkenazi and sefatri kids to be together. Next they will say mixed boys and girls. What's next? Areb and jewish? If we don't do someting now it will get out of control.

to #1 We are all Jews there should not be such devisions between Jews. we have enough anti semitism from ouside our people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Jun 17, 2010 at 11:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #197  
Anonymous Says:

this is the greatest kiddush hashem i have ever seen! thousands of jews, joining together, beachdus, to protest mixing with sfardim!!! chasidim being moser nefesh, willing to go to jail, rather than have sfardim in their daughters class!!! there are even some sfardim joining in this achdus and protesting mixing of the jewish sects.... it brings a tear to my eye to witness such kedushah... it is truly a pelah and a wonder that moshiach has not come yet, with such heligih yidden upholding such a noble cause....

you really need an education on th meaning of Ahavas yisroel!!!!!!!!!!! Remember in Germany they didn't care what kind of Jew you where, JUST that you were a JEW!

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 12:06 AM chassid Says:

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Nut Jobs Says:

First off learn how to spell
Secondly if you compare sephardic and ashkenaz kids to boys and girls or jewish kids and "arab" kids then we have come to a place in time where i am embarrassed to be a jew.


TO ALL THOSE WHO SPEAK AGAINST THE MEDINAH PLEASE LEAVE we do not need you there . The country (you can argue about the actual land) belongs to us not you we fought for it had family or friends most of us both die to protect it. please i beg you leave go live with the muslims who are dying to kill us so that when we will have to go after them we can eliminate you too. with jews like you i question are the jews really all brothers

For someone wanting achdus and a show of unity, your word belie the facts. Loving the land is one thing, supporting the medina is another. The people that you want to push over the cliff are the ones who adhere to the rulings of their rebbeim, and whether you like it or not.....are not the one to make the decision whether they are right or wrong. If for example, you belonged to Satmar,and in case you are unaware was a Goan olem...a tzaddik of almost unprecedented genius and tzidkes in our generation....came to the conclusion that the medina was a contributing factor to most of the tzuros jews are having and everything that he said will happen as a result of the medina is coming true. How many tears he shed and cried for he knew how much bloodshed it would entail. He loved "every" jew, secular and religious and knew with forsight what the results will be...And true to his holy words.....it is all laid out for us...here and now.
So, for all of you who do not have a rebbe or mentor or belong to a group of people....you will never understand and it is only your own subjective opinion that you identify with, rather than one from a Holy Tzadik, whose every word is calculated and infuse

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 12:17 AM chassid Says:

Reply to #52  
Nut Jobs Says:

First off learn how to spell
Secondly if you compare sephardic and ashkenaz kids to boys and girls or jewish kids and "arab" kids then we have come to a place in time where i am embarrassed to be a jew.


TO ALL THOSE WHO SPEAK AGAINST THE MEDINAH PLEASE LEAVE we do not need you there . The country (you can argue about the actual land) belongs to us not you we fought for it had family or friends most of us both die to protect it. please i beg you leave go live with the muslims who are dying to kill us so that when we will have to go after them we can eliminate you too. with jews like you i question are the jews really all brothers

cont'd
infused with Yiras Hashem and Genius in Torah knowlege. And you....who are you...to argue or contradict someone like that? You may have your own opinion, but it sure doesn't measure up to A Holy Tzadik...And He wasn't the only one with that opinion. Great Gaonim and Tzadikim were sided with him.....and if his chassidim stand in your way....then you go and deal with it. It is your issue. As for living in Israel....the land is as much theirs as it is yours. It is all of "ours". Mine, yours....every jew...
So before you spew your anger at something you know nothing about, maybe you ought to to take the time and find out a bit more before you bash anyone. It always pays to be on the side of caution, before "you " make a fool out of yourself. It's never too late to learn and have change of heart. The only thing is...is that people are so opinionated, they never take the time to find out what it is that is driving someone to do something different than that which "they" think is right.Then and only then can we unite in understanding that we are brothers.....and we need to stand by one another ....regardless.....enough said.

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 12:25 AM chasid Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

“ Just In: HaGuan HaGudel Posek HaDor Rav Elyashev Shlita just arrived to the Mamad Rabusi and will say soon Divres Kodshoi!”

Big deal!!! If you think the "Guan and Gudel Hador" will have any impact on this situation you are sadly wrong. R. Elyashiv is respected by many Ashkenazim but he has not shown great sensitivity to the needs of the Sephardim. For him to show up at this demonstration in support of the bigotry displayed by the parents at this school is disappointing and misguided.

So you are questioning R. Elyashuv's appearance? Interesting...you want to compete with his knowledge of Torah and what does and does not constitute a Kiddish Hashem....I guess we can all go ask you sheilos....I'm sure, with the blink of an eye, you will have all the answers.....

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 12:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

We have to fight this terribal decision by the judges. First they ask for ashkenazi and sefatri kids to be together. Next they will say mixed boys and girls. What's next? Areb and jewish? If we don't do someting now it will get out of control.

Shame on you, comparing your own brothers to Arabs ,You are no better than the Arabs yourself ,What you can do is to check your background and make sure you were born a real Jew because your statements indicate something definitely has gone wrong in the past. THIS IS NOT ACHDUS.GO LOOK UP THE MEANING OF THE WORD MAYBE IN AN ARABIC DICTIONARY.

THINK AGAIN AND POST YOUR WORDS.AND LEARN HOW TO SPELL SEPHARDI.

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 01:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Secular Says:

... The problem is, they are 'Elites' in the Sefardi/Edot mizrach community, because they are Ashkenazi trained and worldly(!?). However they cannot be that aloof from their Sefardi brothers(and sisters) that they don't sympathize with their 'plight' i.e. when they are discriminated against, by the 'establishment' Ashkenazim.

But the root cause of this and other issues is simply that MOST Ashkenazi chareidim DO NOT believe in the medina, they don't even think its a mitzva to live in Eretz Israel. That is why there is no connectiion between the Ashkenazim and the Medina/Land in any meaningful way. Army service is viewed as a nuisance at best, not a call and opportunity to protect our brethren in OUR land (milchemet Mitzva).

Could you imagine for a moment... what if some 'Frum' yeshiva bochurim attended the army, and G-d forbid a conflict broke out; the prayers, the davening, the learning would take on a whole new fervor and intensity because it's OUR Men fighting. It would mean something. The Chareidim In Israel and abroad are mere spectators watching someone else's conflict in someone else's Land...

we're here for the free education...

"The Chareidim In Israel and abroad are mere spectators watching someone else's conflict in someone else's Land..."

It is actually the frei who are apectators in someone else's land. Hashem did not promise the land of Canaan to Abraham in order that his descendants should play soccer or watch movies there on Shabbos. Nor did he give it to Pork farmers or prostitutes, Jewish or not. He gave to be the place on earth where entire population proclaims G-d created the earth and this land bears witness to it. And indeed the land continues to bear witness. Just as the Torah says if you don't folow the rules the land will spit you, understand that it is not Rabin, or Barak or Sharon or Netanyahu that "gave back" land. Understand, that the land is spitting you out and will continue to do so until you follow G-d's rules. Chizkiyau Hamelech didn't have an army and didn't need one. he had G-d. The people that don't have a G-d need an army.

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 04:44 AM MrsRBS Says:

A mechitza down the middle of the yard is just beyond despicable. I mean, really. How hurtful, how painful, how humiliating.

This is torah? This is Judaism???

The Chareidim have been coddled for way too long. Look at the audacity of even suggesting such a thing, let alone actually putting it up.

This is a culture that has been allowed to flourish on the backs of the average Israeli taxpayer for YEARS, and I say ENOUGH! In fact, I demand that Chinuch Atzmai return all my hard earned pennies to me (collected during all my elementary school years in Brooklyn). All those years of stuffing pennies into their pushkas, for what? So they could create generation after generation of illiterates and cultural (if not racial) bigots who think they are better than ME, the one who gave them the money????

I feel totally bamboozled!!!!

GROSS!

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 09:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Obviously Justice Levy took advantage of a situation and went to town with it. Of course the jailing of parents is a travesty. But this Levy knows very well that in general outside of Emmanuel there is severe discrimination against Sephardim in the ultra-orthodox enclaves. So he has a gas pedal to step on and he is stepping hard. Being that the Gedolim are protesting, obviously the government is wrong. But it behooves all Ashkenazim in E”Y to stop any non-halachic discrimination against Sepharedim. Each case of discrimination should be authorized by the Gedolim and should not be taken for granted. This way the government wouldn’t have an excuse to pull off this type of thing with impunity. Levy knows the Ashkenaz – Sephardic discrimination issue is an issue he can roll with. Why do we continue feeding our enemies? So yes, the Sepharedim join in against the courts,under one condition: aside from Emmanuel- no more discrimination against Sepharedim period. Can you handle it?

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 10:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #209  
MrsRBS Says:

A mechitza down the middle of the yard is just beyond despicable. I mean, really. How hurtful, how painful, how humiliating.

This is torah? This is Judaism???

The Chareidim have been coddled for way too long. Look at the audacity of even suggesting such a thing, let alone actually putting it up.

This is a culture that has been allowed to flourish on the backs of the average Israeli taxpayer for YEARS, and I say ENOUGH! In fact, I demand that Chinuch Atzmai return all my hard earned pennies to me (collected during all my elementary school years in Brooklyn). All those years of stuffing pennies into their pushkas, for what? So they could create generation after generation of illiterates and cultural (if not racial) bigots who think they are better than ME, the one who gave them the money????

I feel totally bamboozled!!!!

GROSS!

from your post,you dont talk like one who puts thier children in a ehrliche toahdike mosdos. a ehrliche yiddish tochter knows what this separation is all about . its because of one of the taryag mitzvos. no,not the mechitze is the taryag..the gader is . and, of course , you dont know what that means..so first educate yourself...

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 10:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #191  
Anonymous Says:

Greatest kiddush , minus Hashem .

if you dont know the meaning of kiddush hashem dont talk

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 Jun 18, 2010 at 02:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Obviously Justice Levy took advantage of a situation and went to town with it. Of course the jailing of parents is a travesty. But this Levy knows very well that in general outside of Emmanuel there is severe discrimination against Sephardim in the ultra-orthodox enclaves. So he has a gas pedal to step on and he is stepping hard. Being that the Gedolim are protesting, obviously the government is wrong. But it behooves all Ashkenazim in E”Y to stop any non-halachic discrimination against Sepharedim. Each case of discrimination should be authorized by the Gedolim and should not be taken for granted. This way the government wouldn’t have an excuse to pull off this type of thing with impunity. Levy knows the Ashkenaz – Sephardic discrimination issue is an issue he can roll with. Why do we continue feeding our enemies? So yes, the Sepharedim join in against the courts,under one condition: aside from Emmanuel- no more discrimination against Sepharedim period. Can you handle it?

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 Jun 20, 2010 at 01:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #211  
Anonymous Says:

from your post,you dont talk like one who puts thier children in a ehrliche toahdike mosdos. a ehrliche yiddish tochter knows what this separation is all about . its because of one of the taryag mitzvos. no,not the mechitze is the taryag..the gader is . and, of course , you dont know what that means..so first educate yourself...

if someone needs some education I think is you because the 2nd. bais Hamikdash was destroyed merely for this reason tzinas chinom which is being promoted now and you are teaching your child that you are better than those people " sepharadim" so I guess YOU don't now what that means so please do your kids a favor and educate yourself first then seek good education for them.

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 Jun 20, 2010 at 07:46 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

if someone needs some education I think is you because the 2nd. bais Hamikdash was destroyed merely for this reason tzinas chinom which is being promoted now and you are teaching your child that you are better than those people " sepharadim" so I guess YOU don't now what that means so please do your kids a favor and educate yourself first then seek good education for them.

what's involved here is not an issue of sinas chinom,mr ignoramus. if you dont agree, then it shows your not someone who bothers him chorban beis hamikdosh to begin with .by the way what are you throwing here 'sinas chinom' you dont seem to know the basic interpetation of 'chinom'. lets say asccording to you that just sina is involved, it's not 'CHINOM"!!thats what your kofer b'etraoh allways come with 2-4 mitzvoz you are so medakdek !1) loshen hora(where it doesnt apply, just the opposite where its mutt EG: against oivrei torah ) 1) ahavas yisroel (where it doesnt apply EG: oivrei torah 'mutter lisnoso" see pesochim 1) mlamed zechus (where it doesnt apply EG: maisis umadiach ..'lo sachmol velo sechase alof') 4) you fill in now that i gave you the gist of it

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 Jun 20, 2010 at 07:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #209  
MrsRBS Says:

A mechitza down the middle of the yard is just beyond despicable. I mean, really. How hurtful, how painful, how humiliating.

This is torah? This is Judaism???

The Chareidim have been coddled for way too long. Look at the audacity of even suggesting such a thing, let alone actually putting it up.

This is a culture that has been allowed to flourish on the backs of the average Israeli taxpayer for YEARS, and I say ENOUGH! In fact, I demand that Chinuch Atzmai return all my hard earned pennies to me (collected during all my elementary school years in Brooklyn). All those years of stuffing pennies into their pushkas, for what? So they could create generation after generation of illiterates and cultural (if not racial) bigots who think they are better than ME, the one who gave them the money????

I feel totally bamboozled!!!!

GROSS!

yes, regarding obeying the holy torah ( which include the 4 parts of shulchen urech ) we are better than you. and if you dont bepuieve in thsis S'U what are you doing commenting anti torah views on a holy torah site! what you are ranting about is what the gentiles have been doing since the giving of the torah misini which you dont believe in

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 Jun 21, 2010 at 10:36 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #209  
MrsRBS Says:

A mechitza down the middle of the yard is just beyond despicable. I mean, really. How hurtful, how painful, how humiliating.

This is torah? This is Judaism???

The Chareidim have been coddled for way too long. Look at the audacity of even suggesting such a thing, let alone actually putting it up.

This is a culture that has been allowed to flourish on the backs of the average Israeli taxpayer for YEARS, and I say ENOUGH! In fact, I demand that Chinuch Atzmai return all my hard earned pennies to me (collected during all my elementary school years in Brooklyn). All those years of stuffing pennies into their pushkas, for what? So they could create generation after generation of illiterates and cultural (if not racial) bigots who think they are better than ME, the one who gave them the money????

I feel totally bamboozled!!!!

GROSS!

so which religion do practice now, the voodoo wicth dr.?

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 Jun 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #214  
Anonymous Says:

if someone needs some education I think is you because the 2nd. bais Hamikdash was destroyed merely for this reason tzinas chinom which is being promoted now and you are teaching your child that you are better than those people " sepharadim" so I guess YOU don't now what that means so please do your kids a favor and educate yourself first then seek good education for them.

my children are already marrying of their children..halevaei you should have shuch diamonds berochniuos ,. because in our circles we adhere to every seuf in S"U..not like your kind who are totally ignorant in the issues invloved

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