“ MK gafni ws much sharper today.He pointed out how in all the secular fields in israel,the sephardim are hardly represented,but immanuel bais yaakov(with 30$ sephardim!),that's the racists.He also pointed out the absurd stupidty of putting sephardim in jail for being "racist". ”

“ Is Agudah crazy or just too self absorbed? They want Ambassador Oren to run to them so they can lecture him about AMERICAN LAWS to Israeli Government? Why should Michael Oren waste his precious time to deal with Agudah that never officially defends Israel or spends a dime for Pro-Israel lobbying or advocacy like AIPAC does? The matter is purely internal that affects Israeli citizens. American Agudah has no right to request a meeting with Israeli officials and then dictate to them about US Supreme Court decisions. Israel is a sovereign state that has it's won legal system and laws. Michael Oren shouldn't be lectured by foreigners because Israeli Charedim want to violate Israeli laws and continue racial profiling and discrimination under the excuse of " not stringent enough religious observance from Sefardi students.." ”

“ MK Gafni is an idiot and so is anyone who buys his ridiculous arguments. ”

“ MK Gafni is an idiot and so is anyone who buys his ridiculous arguments. ”

“ Interesting how the Chassidim constantly run to the American courts to settle their own internal disputes, but are now very upset that an Israeli court wants to settle a dispute between Ashkenazim and Sephardim. Are the American courts more versed in halacha than the Israeli courts? ”

“ No you are the true idiot,not answering with any logic,to solid points.He is on the mark. ”

“ Yo mean because he said the trurh and you can't take that? ”

“ Every private school and religious institution in the world discriminates based on religious factors. It's not a restaurant it's an institution that requires a unique membership to achieve it's goal. It's not a public school, where nothing religious or cultural in nature matters, it's a religious school, and it should be to the members of that religious school board to decide. ”

“ אם לא עכשיו אמתי - Aguda of America must act, because aside from arranging the Siyum Hashasm, they are a pretty much an in name only organization. They are barely involved in anything and there is an outrage among many about there silence up until now.

Parents as a private entity should be entitled to raise there children they way they see fit, that's what freedom is all about. No one should be able to tell anyone how to raise their children, especially given the fact that Rav Vosner, Rav Elyashiv, Rav Shteiniman have about 300 yrs of experience when combined.

Aguda is a powerful organization and lobby and should let Oren know that if we cannot achieve our goals we will take to the streets of Manhattan and that wont be to good of PR for Israel as of now. Having parents behind bars punishes the children and is cruel. ”

“ Rabby Zwiebel: its a waste of time, isreal is not made to live for erlica yiden it worsh then russya or even iran ”

“ Every private school and religious institution in the world discriminates based on religious factors. It's not a restaurant it's an institution that requires a unique membership to achieve it's goal. It's not a public school, where nothing religious or cultural in nature matters, it's a religious school, and it should be to the members of that religious school board to decide. ”

“ Dear Rabbi Zweibel,

So until this issue, the Agudah was pro-Israel? Can you name me a single Agudah Institution that says the Tefila for the Medina or the Misheberach for the soldiers each Shabbos, or that celebrates Yom Haaatzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim? Why this sudden love for the State of Israel all of the sudden? ”

“ Dear Rabbi Zweibel,

So until this issue, the Agudah was pro-Israel? Can you name me a single Agudah Institution that says the Tefila for the Medina or the Misheberach for the soldiers each Shabbos, or that celebrates Yom Haaatzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim? Why this sudden love for the State of Israel all of the sudden? ”

“ What solid points are those? He claims that Israel Prize winners are majority Askenazi but doesn't bring anything to back that up. He also claimed that Bagatz was all Ashkenazi and he was wrong about that too. There's no logic in that. The man is a blowhard who will do anything to run on TV or get his name in the paper.

An easy way to have dealt with Bagatz years ago would have been to establish a written constitution, but of course Gafni and his henchmen screamed bloody murder at that idea. They also sat on their hands when Daniel Friedman tried to overhaul the entire court in 2007. What do you expect? Instead of making stupid conclusory statements, how about someone with a brain in their head, i.e. not Gafni, actually come up with some solutions. ”

“ Is Agudah crazy or just too self absorbed? They want Ambassador Oren to run to them so they can lecture him about AMERICAN LAWS to Israeli Government? Why should Michael Oren waste his precious time to deal with Agudah that never officially defends Israel or spends a dime for Pro-Israel lobbying or advocacy like AIPAC does? The matter is purely internal that affects Israeli citizens. American Agudah has no right to request a meeting with Israeli officials and then dictate to them about US Supreme Court decisions. Israel is a sovereign state that has it's won legal system and laws. Michael Oren shouldn't be lectured by foreigners because Israeli Charedim want to violate Israeli laws and continue racial profiling and discrimination under the excuse of " not stringent enough religious observance from Sefardi students.." ”

“ Interesting how the Chassidim constantly run to the American courts to settle their own internal disputes, but are now very upset that an Israeli court wants to settle a dispute between Ashkenazim and Sephardim. Are the American courts more versed in halacha than the Israeli courts? ”

“ Dear Rabbi Zweibel,

So until this issue, the Agudah was pro-Israel? Can you name me a single Agudah Institution that says the Tefila for the Medina or the Misheberach for the soldiers each Shabbos, or that celebrates Yom Haaatzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim? Why this sudden love for the State of Israel all of the sudden? ”

“ What solid points are those? He claims that Israel Prize winners are majority Askenazi but doesn't bring anything to back that up. He also claimed that Bagatz was all Ashkenazi and he was wrong about that too. There's no logic in that. The man is a blowhard who will do anything to run on TV or get his name in the paper.

An easy way to have dealt with Bagatz years ago would have been to establish a written constitution, but of course Gafni and his henchmen screamed bloody murder at that idea. They also sat on their hands when Daniel Friedman tried to overhaul the entire court in 2007. What do you expect? Instead of making stupid conclusory statements, how about someone with a brain in their head, i.e. not Gafni, actually come up with some solutions. ”

“ No, he didn't say the 'truth', he pulled facts out of thin air. He looks like a fool and so do people who think he's saying anything worthwhile. Has Gafni ever done anything besides grandstand? There's no difference between him and the Arab Knesset members who do nothing for their communities but appear on the national news every night squealing about something. ”

“ Is Agudah crazy or just too self absorbed? They want Ambassador Oren to run to them so they can lecture him about AMERICAN LAWS to Israeli Government? Why should Michael Oren waste his precious time to deal with Agudah that never officially defends Israel or spends a dime for Pro-Israel lobbying or advocacy like AIPAC does? The matter is purely internal that affects Israeli citizens. American Agudah has no right to request a meeting with Israeli officials and then dictate to them about US Supreme Court decisions. Israel is a sovereign state that has it's won legal system and laws. Michael Oren shouldn't be lectured by foreigners because Israeli Charedim want to violate Israeli laws and continue racial profiling and discrimination under the excuse of " not stringent enough religious observance from Sefardi students.." ”

“ Every private school and religious institution in the world discriminates based on religious factors. It's not a restaurant it's an institution that requires a unique membership to achieve it's goal. It's not a public school, where nothing religious or cultural in nature matters, it's a religious school, and it should be to the members of that religious school board to decide. ”

“ BH

We have a constitution, it's the Torah.

BTW He did back up his claims, there is exactly one Sphardi Supreme Court justice, that's it.

There was exactly one Sphardi defence minister and no PM or President, not even one. The same applies to almost every high position in the secular gov. ”

“ You are a out and out liar.Gafni never said all judges are ashkenazi,he excplicitly mentioned judge levy is the only sephardi on the court.You are a blowhard convinetly ignoring all he said.He pointed out that 93% of the student body in tel aviv university is ashkenazi!he also pointed out how in the state prosecutor office and so many other positions there are barely any sephardim.It was a 6 minute press confrence.What do you expect he should bring out papers and prove all his points!The fact is it's all true to whoever researches the matter.What gafni was actually doing the last few days.He didn't say these thing right away only until today.Of course,you forgot to answer how sephardi parents are in jail for racism against sephardim!That was a key point of gafni's remarks.As for the constituion,gafni proposed a bill limiting the court's power in halachic and toah matters.You know what happend then,friedman didn' support it! ”

“ Oh,you mean he lied wen he said levy was the only sephardi judge on the court?!or the absurdity of sephardi parents sitting in jail for anti sephardi racsim?!MORE ON GAFNI'S ACCOMPLISHMENT'S WILL BE POSTED ATER. ”

“ If this court ruling would have happened here in England there would be a national outcry.

The entire judgement, which his based solely on an ubsurd extension of "comtempt of the court" has essentially given the Israeli justice system carte blanche to persue anyone of a crime and prevent them from taking any preventative action.

I'm proud the USA has a frum lobbying organisation that is willing to meddle in internal Israeli affairs when such a blatant miscarriage of justice is occuring against frum yidden? If our hearts bleed for the poor Emmanuel families how can we not act? I only wish we in Europe had such a strong voice that we could even consider lobbying Israeli ambassadors for their country's attack on frum yidden.

Here in England, our state-funded jewish schools have a right to determine their pupil body is in line with the ethos of the school (recent admission policy issues aside - which aren't dependant on ethos). I believe the same is true for the USA. How then could Israel insist the school change its pupilship to accept those who do not beleive in the school ethos?

And how could an offer to school their children in Beis Malka in Beni Brak) be considered contempt? ”

“ BH

We have a constitution, it's the Torah.

BTW He did back up his claims, there is exactly one Sphardi Supreme Court justice, that's it.

There was exactly one Sphardi defence minister and no PM or President, not even one. The same applies to almost every high position in the secular gov. ”

“ Yes, when people attempt to argue they usually back up their points with facts. Instead all you're doing is recycling Gafni's hot air. The state prosecutor's office was, of course, run by a Sephardi until a couple of months ago, but I suspect neither you nor Gafni knows that or particularly cares. Instead of actually making a coherent argument in support of the parents, all you and he are doing is making a rather ridiculous sounding argument that racism is everywhere, so we can do whatever we want.

Friedman didn't support the bill because it made no sense. There need to be boundaries on the court's action in general, not piecemeal measures designed to protect special interests. But of course Gafni and those like him could care less about Israeli society as a whole as long as the welfare tap keeps flowing. ”

“ Rabbi Zweibel may be right about it being a religious matter rather than a racial one.

But that did not give the Chassidim the right to treat the "less religious girls" as if they a had a highly contagious disease. forcing them into a "walled off ghetto" in their own school so they wouldn't infect the Chassidic daughters.

Nor did it give the Chassidim the right to humiliate the "less religious girls" by forcing to wear different color uniforms to make sure the quarantine could not be breached. Reminds me of the yellow stars the Jews had to wear in WWII

Above all, this reminds me of Kamtsa Bar Kamtsa. In that case also, the matter should have never reached the Romans. Today, Rabbi Zweibel and the Agudah would like us to believe that the only bad guys in that story were the Romans and
the Israeli Ashkenazi Charedim add Bar Kamtsa to the guilty list Both would like us to believe that the host(baal habayis) and the Taanaim who did not intervene were completely blameless. .

A careful reading of the gemara there in Gittin leads ore to the conclusion that the Amoraim blamed all three Jewish actors with the major share going to the Taanaim. ”

“ Dear Rabbi Zweibel,

So until this issue, the Agudah was pro-Israel? Can you name me a single Agudah Institution that says the Tefila for the Medina or the Misheberach for the soldiers each Shabbos, or that celebrates Yom Haaatzmaut and Yom Yerushalayim? Why this sudden love for the State of Israel all of the sudden? ”

“ You are wrong completly!Oh,one prosecutor out of many!when sephardim make up at least40% to50% of the population!.And gafni clearly said sephardim are under reresented,not they are not allowed in these posts at all.Gafni never said because racism is everywhere we can do what we want!He pointed out there is no discrimaination at all.Then he pointed out how double faced seular israleis are.As for the law he proposed,yes it made good sense.Friedman claimed he's against the court going overboard.And that was exactly gafni's point.How can a supreme court pasken halachic desciions?!Still unanswered by you for the 2nt time is how sephardi parents are"racists". ”

“ Oh,you mean he lied wen he said levy was the only sephardi judge on the court?!or the absurdity of sephardi parents sitting in jail for anti sephardi racsim?!MORE ON GAFNI'S ACCOMPLISHMENT'S WILL BE POSTED ATER. ”

“ Besides the fact that your points are not well taken.The parents are in jail for "racism",nothing else,not for any of your reasons.So we must protest a false charge.How in the world could sephardi parents be racist's?!Shame on the court. ”

“ You claimed gafni does nothing for his community?!Are you truly ignorant or willfully lying?Gafni passed the gafno law which saved so many yeshivos this year.He forced the state to fix up all te run down chief rabbinate beis din's.He got the mikvos in israel a special reduced rate for water bills.And on and on. ”

“ BH

They may not be a very Zionistic organization, but they are very influential and they can create a great headache if they wish. Believe me in NY, they are considered the representatives of the wider Jewish community and in Washington they do not need much of a reason to shame Israel. ”

“ maybe aguda should do something for pollak? or shalit?
why do some slonimers come first?? ”

“ Sephardi parents are in jail for contempt of court, not racism. It may help your case if you managed to make an argument based on facts rather than whatever it is you're using. ”

“ He's been in the knesset since 1988 and his claim to fame is water bills for mikvos? Is it any wonder that so many charedim vote Likud and Shas instead of Gimmel. ”