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Two of the parents of Emmanuel exiting the Supreme Court of Jerusalem. Hundreds of Ultra Orthodox Jewish celebrating outside the Supreme Court, Sunday June 27 2010, after having greeted the parents of Emmanuel, who were released as decided by the Supreme Court of Jerusalem. Photo by Yossi Zamir/Flash90.Israel - A compromise proposal enabling the release of the parents of the Emmanuel students was approved Sunday by the High Court of Justice, after being presented by the parents and petitioners with the approval of the State Prosecutor’s Office. The judges ruled that the incarcerated parents would be released on Sunday.
The decision followed a compromise deal struck on Sunday morning between Shas spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef and the Slonim Rabbi, religious leader of the Ashkenazi families who had refused to send their daughters to the mixed-ethnicity school.
“It seems that in the country today, decisions are made by the Gedolei Yisrael [Israel’s foremost Haredi rabbis] and no one else,” said one of the fathers.
“We reached highs we shouldn’t have reached, I hope the matter is indeed concluded, “Judge Edmond Levy said, noting that “we are one people after all.” Petitioner Yoav Laloum heralded the “end of discrimination in Emmanuel” at the end of the hearing.
Shortly after the ruling, the imprisoned fathers who arrived from the Maasiyahu Prison, stepped out of the court into a crowd of hassidim who welcomed them with ovations, song and dance. MK Yakov Litzman (United Torah Judaism) was also present and said, “This is our victory which showed the whole world that one can sit in prison in order to better educate our children. The High Court won’t acknowledge its mistake – but it made a big one.”
One of the fathers who were released said, “The decision is very pleasing. We got in jail since a doubt had been cast on the authority of the great minds of our generation, for this we were imprisoned and we were wrongly accused. Not only is there no discrimination (in Emmanuel) but there is true partnership.” He further noted, “Prison is not a pleasant place, but we were greatly strengthened by the massive support. At the end of the day, the court accepted the appeal of the generation’s great minds.”
Spiritual leader of the Ultra Orthodox Shas party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef and An ultra orthodox Chassidic Rabbi brezovsky from Slonim yeshiva during their meeting in Jerusalem June 27, 2010.photo by Abir Sultan/Flash 90According to the proposal, the students will return to the Beit Yaakov school for the school year’s remaining three days and will study the “love of Israel” together, without separation. During the subsequent summer holiday a long-term solution must be found and presented to the court by August 25.
The High Court judges appeared satisfied with the compromise during Sunday’s hearing. Judges Edmond Levy and Hanan Meltzer, however, emphasized one point: The parents’ representative must acknowledge that the compromise is within the implementation of the court’s previous verdict, which revoked the discrimination in the school. The parents’ attorney agreed and handed the proposal to the prosecution, which after careful examination accepted the compromise as well, and confirmed it upholds the verdict.
The parents’ lawyer, Attorney Mordechai Green said, “The spirit of Judge Edmond Levy’s decision from Friday made us understand that the judges want the verdict to be followed to the full. It was then decided to reach an agreement. The honorable Rabbi Ovadia Yosef sees it as a solution to a social problem. The girls from Emmanuel are currently very confused.”
During a break in the hearing Laloum said, “According to Rabbi Yaakov Yosef’s instruction, we made it clear we wholeheartedly accept Rabbi Ovadia Yosef’s proposal. This decision has already ended discrimination in Emmanuel, this case has run its course.”
Attorney Shosh Shmueli of the prosecution said, “We welcome any agreement which upholds the verdict.”
Spiritual leader of the Ultra Orthodox Shas party, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef and An ultra orthodox Chassidic Rabbi brezovsky from Slonim yeshiva during their meeting in Jerusalem June 27, 2010.photo by Abir Sultan/Flash 90 The agreement noted that following consultation with their rabbis the two parties renounce any disagreement, call for the cessation of mutual slanders, and agree that educational establishments must accept students solely on the basis of religious background and not according to ethnic affiliation. It was further agreed that there was no room for separations and fences in the school. The petitioners also agreed that the parents be allowed to establish a separate school on the following school year.
According to the agreement, during the next three days the school will hold conferences and lectures for students of all courses “in support of unity and the love of Israel.”
Shas chairman Minister Eli Yishai attended the hearing and said prior to the official approval, “I am confident that ultimately this sad and painful affair will end to everyone’s satisfaction with love and unity. I do not think it is just to take a girl, put her in a school where she is shunned, and be coerced to study there. The solution is not the High Court but getting up and doing the right thing. “
Some 30 haredi worshippers also arrived at the Supreme Court Sunday and read out chapters of Psalms. Police and Border Guard forces were present at the site to prevent any possible riots.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 06:40 AM london Says:Report as Inappropriate
who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight???????????
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:00 AM Ash Says:Report as Inappropriate
B"H
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:03 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
"The petitioners also agreed that the parents be allowed to establish a separate school on the following school year." - Did anyone stop them till now?
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:07 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight??????????? ”
exactly what i was thinking. what happened to being willing to face a firing squad?
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:09 AM Little Wolfe Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Slonim group can open their own school next year. Thus, the Charedim stood down Secular Israel and won the batte. The Secular exposure to the Charedi World is through watching demonstrations on television. A few hundred Charedim protesting another chilul Hashem does not frighten them. The only time they see the 100,000 plus 'sea of black' is at a funeral of a Gadol Israel. Rav Rav Shach, zt"l was niftar on Erev Shabbos, not enough time for such a turnout, Thus, it has been many years since the Secular has had the wits scared out of them. Last weeks country wide demonstation, highlighting the unity of the Charedi World, e.g, Chassidim, Litvak, Sefardim, put the sheker of the Medina into clear relief, and bought those loyal to Hashem at least 10 years of quiet.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:23 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
It's wonderful that a compromise was reached and that the mothers will not have to sit in jail. If the Slonimer Rebbe Shlita had foresight perhaps this compromise could have been reached earlier and even the fathers would have not had to sit. Not only that, but instead of wasting 3 hours demonstrating, 150,000 could have been learning Torah. 450,000 hours of Torah wasted on this!!! Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Shekel wasted on legal fees!!!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:36 AM Ich shaym zich oych nisht Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight??????????? ”
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allows 3 days.
did the torah change overnight?
yea they got beat and realized the entire chareidi system was at risk of losing funds. also, the court realized it was not about discrimination at all but truly concern for the religious background of the children. So it needed a compromise!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:38 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight??????????? ”
no some sense got into his head and he realized what he said was stupid and not letting the kids learn in school together has nothing to do with the Torah just hate on his part.
maybe he did thuvha
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:47 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
After reading the interview with Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, I have no idea who to believe. It's a sad day when there are no true leaders you can count on to get the unbiased truth. Bottom line is do your own thing.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:52 AM confused Says:Report as Inappropriate
What kind of comprise is this I would call is capitulation by the Slonimer Rebbe the sefardim won they got everything they wanted. Sorry chasedim but you were fooled big time you went to prison thinking that you are being Moiser Nefesh for your daughters Chinuch, at the end of the day you accomplished nothing
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:58 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
reply to #1 'attending lectures on unity ' thats about it ...
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:02 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Bottom line : it all boils down to a few dollars $$$$ !!!! . I think the only ones that demonstrate l'sheim shomayim is satmar & the kanayim. where were all these "mekadesh shem shomayims" when they were digging graves ? or the Karta chilul shabbos parking lots etc.....
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:03 AM Cadd9 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Y'all are so wrong. Slonim won a real victory. They get their exclusive Chassidic school nex year. For three days the children will learn some meaningless class together. This was face saving for the court and the Sephardim.This was a game of chicken and the Sephardim swerved. Meanwhile a Sephardi child knows that they can't enter Charedi society and maintain their heritage. Rav Ovadia's ranting againsdt going to Ashkenazi Yeshivos was an admission of defeat. The Rav was saying spare yourselves the agony of trying to please heartless biased Ashkenazim. Let us all make believe we quit and not face the fact that we were fired. Spare yourselves facing the sneering Ashkenazim who won't let you in to contaminate their kids,and when confronted will call you mechlelei shabbos,secular influenced wild unreliable people.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:06 AM Shalom Kolodny Says:Report as Inappropriate
I do not know what arrangements were made, but the rule to the farshtunkener courts and evil judges MUST BE MADE!
Never mix in to religious matters, hundreds of thousands of Torah hours would be lost to have sent this point across, and if this was not accomplished, all went to waste!
The non-nazi Israeli courts MUST be put in place – ONCE AND FOR ALL!
THIS MUST NEVER NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!!
As they say in Israel – NEVER AGAIN!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:15 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
reply to #1 . the decision is as follows . slonim wil open a new school next year. for now there will be a YOM IUN for all girl schools in Emanuel (4 in total) slonim track will attend as well.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:18 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Wasn't this what was demanded in the first place by the courts? The government told them they could start a private school NEXT year but not for the remainder of this year. The reason why people couldn't send their kids to Bnei Brak was because legally municipalities can only spend education funds on residents. This is why you can't live in Beitar and send your kids to Beis Yaakov in Har Nof. What was accomplished by all this?
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:20 AM ha ha Says:Report as Inappropriate
botton line,
its all about money,
nothing to do with yiddishkiet ,
i will have to agree to #1 point ,
that unfortantlly the torah changed overnight ,(not that i agreed with slonim in the first place )
just wait and see ,
slonim will come out to the usa for a good shnorer !!!!!!!!!!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:28 AM moshe Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight??????????? ”
well said ,
nothing more to say
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:28 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "The petitioners also agreed that the parents be allowed to establish a separate school on the following school year." - Did anyone stop them till now? ”
Yes they did.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:30 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Slonim group can open their own school next year. Thus, the Charedim stood down Secular Israel and won the batte. The Secular exposure to the Charedi World is through watching demonstrations on television. A few hundred Charedim protesting another chilul Hashem does not frighten them. The only time they see the 100,000 plus 'sea of black' is at a funeral of a Gadol Israel. Rav Rav Shach, zt"l was niftar on Erev Shabbos, not enough time for such a turnout, Thus, it has been many years since the Secular has had the wits scared out of them. Last weeks country wide demonstation, highlighting the unity of the Charedi World, e.g, Chassidim, Litvak, Sefardim, put the sheker of the Medina into clear relief, and bought those loyal to Hashem at least 10 years of quiet. ”
What on Earth are you talking about?
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:32 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight??????????? ”
They Are Not Going Back To Class Rather It Will Be Like An Asifa Of Girls To Discuss Ahavas Yisroel. There Wont Be Classroom Setting. Thats Why Rebbe Agreed
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:36 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Yes. גדולי ישראל Supercede the secular court, but בצע כסף supercedes גדולי ישראל
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:40 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Slonim group can open their own school next year. Thus, the Charedim stood down Secular Israel and won the batte. The Secular exposure to the Charedi World is through watching demonstrations on television. A few hundred Charedim protesting another chilul Hashem does not frighten them. The only time they see the 100,000 plus 'sea of black' is at a funeral of a Gadol Israel. Rav Rav Shach, zt"l was niftar on Erev Shabbos, not enough time for such a turnout, Thus, it has been many years since the Secular has had the wits scared out of them. Last weeks country wide demonstation, highlighting the unity of the Charedi World, e.g, Chassidim, Litvak, Sefardim, put the sheker of the Medina into clear relief, and bought those loyal to Hashem at least 10 years of quiet. ”
Actually, I think that all that the Hilonim saw was that the Haredim protested, but in the end had to reach a compromise to put the school in line with the Supreme Court's ruling. It actually looks like a victory for the Hilonim, not Haredim. The whole incident makes Haredim look racist and probably will result in heavy losses for Shas.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:42 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
If you read it you see that Slonim Won big time. They are not going back to school. They are spending 3 days listening to speeches from Rabonim together. Then they are being allowed to open ytheir own school which the court and education ministry had denied them until now. So they won.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:54 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ no some sense got into his head and he realized what he said was stupid and not letting the kids learn in school together has nothing to do with the Torah just hate on his part.
maybe he did thuvha ”
Fool,
You have already proven many times on this web site that you are the real hater and discriminator. Against the Torah no less. And you have also shown that you have no idea how to write or spell.
Perhaps you should sign up for lessons in a Yeshiva so you can learn how to write and spell. We realize that it is already a forgone conclusion that you wont ever be able to form a coherent thought, but at least you can try to spell your babel correctly.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 09:06 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Y'all are so wrong. Slonim won a real victory. They get their exclusive Chassidic school nex year. For three days the children will learn some meaningless class together. This was face saving for the court and the Sephardim.This was a game of chicken and the Sephardim swerved. Meanwhile a Sephardi child knows that they can't enter Charedi society and maintain their heritage. Rav Ovadia's ranting againsdt going to Ashkenazi Yeshivos was an admission of defeat. The Rav was saying spare yourselves the agony of trying to please heartless biased Ashkenazim. Let us all make believe we quit and not face the fact that we were fired. Spare yourselves facing the sneering Ashkenazim who won't let you in to contaminate their kids,and when confronted will call you mechlelei shabbos,secular influenced wild unreliable people. ”
The Slonim that won a real victory here was the Bnei Brak branch which proved the wisdom of not accepting money from the government. Look how it converts. A rebbe orders his chasidim to not compromise and go to jail, and then compromises!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 09:09 AM shimon Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If you read it you see that Slonim Won big time. They are not going back to school. They are spending 3 days listening to speeches from Rabonim together. Then they are being allowed to open ytheir own school which the court and education ministry had denied them until now. So they won. ”
Seems to me that everybody won: Slonim, the frum protesters, but also the Sephardim of Emanuel, and even the Supreme Court.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 09:17 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
According to the agreement, during the next three days the school will hold conferences and lectures for students of all courses “in support of unity and the love of Israel. At least one thing they have in common the LOVE for Israel. What a chilel Hasham
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Jun 27, 2010 at 09:22 AM lawyer Says:Report as Inappropriate
can everyone open their eyes.Yahadus charedi lost big time. the demonstration was to protest that the rabonim are above secular law( seperate schools was a by product) but the judge stood his ground and all parents at the end signed and the "compromise" adhere to "his " verdict.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 09:22 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight??????????? ”
To you and all that agree with you, let me ask you when the gamara has a hava amina and then changes the mind with the maskana, did the tora change? Saying a comment like this is full of apikursus, a animal can't chage his mind, A human being that has a mind can change it any time...
And BTW on what the selonimer rabba agreed now if he would agreed to this in first place his chasidim would still go to jail, its the court system that change its coward mind......
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Jun 27, 2010 at 09:27 AM my Rav Shlita repeats and Says:Report as Inappropriate
" As long as the religious will not accept Daas Tora and will run to Courts
we will face problems.
The Spinka Rebbe is awaiting jail, Rubashkin is awaiting jail. 3 bachurin
are in jail in Japan/Israel and the Slonimer chasidim tasted jail. All these are
the Kapore/Sair Lazazel for:
1.Didon Notzach for some old books granted to Chabad by the courts.
2. Satmarer Bros. who should receive Shishi and who should be buried
next to the Divrei Yoel ,decided by a African judge.
3. The Bobover uncle and nephew that had the courts decide in which
camp will Bobover send their children or which Nigan for Lecho Doidi.
4.Emanuel Shkozim with so called 2nd class Rabonim ran to court for Chinuch guidance decided by several women and 2 Lokshen experts.
4. Kahaneman/Markowitz of Ponevez who should get Shlishi or say
the Psiche at the Yarchei Kala is still in court litigation.
ואשימה בראשיכם! מידה כנגד מידה
Our Manhigim must be teachers and good examples. Stay away from Arkois!!!!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM Beit vegan Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "The petitioners also agreed that the parents be allowed to establish a separate school on the following school year." - Did anyone stop them till now? ”
Until now, judge levi refused to allow slonim to establish a privite school, or even leave imamual...
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Jun 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM Yonason Herschlag Says:Report as Inappropriate
Just on the threat of the women going to jail, one woman already miscarried. The rebbe weighed his options. He could take a bullet in his own chest, but watching the women being carted off to jail would be too terrible a tragedy. After the judge conceded that they could have separate schooling next year, if they agreed to this compromise, it would have been foolish to turn down that offer, even though the parents are being forced to do things that they shouldn't be forced into. Yes there is a loss, conceding to the reality that the courts are more powerful. But there is also a victory, in that the courts won't be so quick to open future cases attempting to control charedi chinuch. So the rebbe's fight was certainly not in vain.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ “ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allows 3 days.
did the torah change overnight?
yea they got beat and realized the entire chareidi system was at risk of losing funds. also, the court realized it was not about discrimination at all but truly concern for the religious background of the children. So it needed a compromise!!!!!!!!!!! ”
Now slonin must pay themselves
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Jun 27, 2010 at 10:39 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
they where in a jail for a week or so, yet they look like they got out of rikers after 10 years;
man these guys are soft
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Jun 27, 2010 at 10:40 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Bottom line : it all boils down to a few dollars $$$$ !!!! . I think the only ones that demonstrate l'sheim shomayim is satmar & the kanayim. where were all these "mekadesh shem shomayims" when they were digging graves ? or the Karta chilul shabbos parking lots etc..... ”
Slonim
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight??????????? ”
Because the year is almost over, so they will not hang out together. Do you think anyone objected to having these girls in the same classroom?!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:02 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight??????????? ”
Very simple,rav elyashiv got him to agree to this to prevent th mothers being imprisoned.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:02 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's wonderful that a compromise was reached and that the mothers will not have to sit in jail. If the Slonimer Rebbe Shlita had foresight perhaps this compromise could have been reached earlier and even the fathers would have not had to sit. Not only that, but instead of wasting 3 hours demonstrating, 150,000 could have been learning Torah. 450,000 hours of Torah wasted on this!!! Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Shekel wasted on legal fees!!! ”
It was not a waste, it was a kiddush hashem.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:04 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "The petitioners also agreed that the parents be allowed to establish a separate school on the following school year." - Did anyone stop them till now? ”
Of coure,the court closed their privare school down!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's wonderful that a compromise was reached and that the mothers will not have to sit in jail. If the Slonimer Rebbe Shlita had foresight perhaps this compromise could have been reached earlier and even the fathers would have not had to sit. Not only that, but instead of wasting 3 hours demonstrating, 150,000 could have been learning Torah. 450,000 hours of Torah wasted on this!!! Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Shekel wasted on legal fees!!! ”
you got it backwards! The rabbi agreed to accepting students based on their religious background! Well HELLO EVERYBODY! that's exactly the status quo! 30 percent sefardim, who had the religious background required to be accepted, were in the school. the ones making the problems were without the same standards of religious background! NO COMPROMISE! which is exactly what Chacham Ovadia changed his mind on last week. (there might be a problem in general, but in this particular case the issue was the religious background). this is exactly what the Rabbi claimed from the beginning, "had I thought that the reason behind the ruling was based on segregation, I would've agreed. However I am convinced that the basis for the ruling is NOT SEGREGATION! (being that they did have 30% sefardic students.)
Moral: All people attacking the Rabbi and supporting Chacham, are just oximoron. being that they both agree on everything, not only now, but on last week too! sooo please stop attacking our gedolei torah all the time!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
2#6&8 u are full of "crap" when will u get some "jewish sence in you're mind? u are smaller then a worm, when u even up with r' aliyshav (who didn't learn then,he attended this demonstration)
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Don't The 2 guys in the photo leaving the prison look like sfardim?
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM court capitulation Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "The petitioners also agreed that the parents be allowed to establish a separate school on the following school year." - Did anyone stop them till now? ”
yes. the court until it capitulated today refused to allow the parents to establish a seperate new school.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What kind of comprise is this I would call is capitulation by the Slonimer Rebbe the sefardim won they got everything they wanted. Sorry chasedim but you were fooled big time you went to prison thinking that you are being Moiser Nefesh for your daughters Chinuch, at the end of the day you accomplished nothing ”
On the contrary, what did the Slonimers give up? Where do you see a capitulation? They get everything they wanted: their daughters will not have to spend their days in an unsuitable environment. For three days ALL the girls' schools in Imanuel will attend a conference and hear speakers, and then go home. They will not be hanging around in the playground and making friends. And next year they will have their own school.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ According to the agreement, during the next three days the school will hold conferences and lectures for students of all courses “in support of unity and the love of Israel. At least one thing they have in common the LOVE for Israel. What a chilel Hasham ”
Not just that school. All the girls' schools in town. So the Slonimer girls will not be there as part of the "mixed" school.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:24 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ can everyone open their eyes.Yahadus charedi lost big time. the demonstration was to protest that the rabonim are above secular law( seperate schools was a by product) but the judge stood his ground and all parents at the end signed and the "compromise" adhere to "his " verdict. ”
Huh? That makes no sense. How does it follow his verdict? He can say so if he wants, but it doesn't make it so.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:27 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ " As long as the religious will not accept Daas Tora and will run to Courts
we will face problems.
The Spinka Rebbe is awaiting jail, Rubashkin is awaiting jail. 3 bachurin
are in jail in Japan/Israel and the Slonimer chasidim tasted jail. All these are
the Kapore/Sair Lazazel for:
1.Didon Notzach for some old books granted to Chabad by the courts.
2. Satmarer Bros. who should receive Shishi and who should be buried
next to the Divrei Yoel ,decided by a African judge.
3. The Bobover uncle and nephew that had the courts decide in which
camp will Bobover send their children or which Nigan for Lecho Doidi.
4.Emanuel Shkozim with so called 2nd class Rabonim ran to court for Chinuch guidance decided by several women and 2 Lokshen experts.
4. Kahaneman/Markowitz of Ponevez who should get Shlishi or say
the Psiche at the Yarchei Kala is still in court litigation.
ואשימה בראשיכם! מידה כנגד מידה
Our Manhigim must be teachers and good examples. Stay away from Arkois!!!! ”
I don't know about the other cases, but in the case you marked (1) you're very wrong. How dare you suggest that the tzadik gomur the Lubavitcher Rebbe would act against halacha? Every step of the way was approved by the greatest poskim. The thief was summoned to beis din and refused to come, and the beis din authorised a lawsuit to recover the stolen property. This is clearly allowed in Shulchon Oruch.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:28 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Now slonin must pay themselves ”
Huh? What are you talking about? Do you think the new school won't be part of the chinuch atzmoi system?
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM Leslie Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allowes 3 days.
did the torah change overnight??????????? ”
A most bigoted and racist act of orthodox Jews done to keep their daughters dumb, naive of Jews of different backgrounds. The true Jews are the sepharadim, who have practiced Judaism since the time of Moses. The European Jews are Jews from intermarriage with white races. Jews from the time of Moses were olive and were actually descendants from other olive skin colored people.
SHAME SHAME
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:50 AM iish emmes says to #37 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ " As long as the religious will not accept Daas Tora and will run to Courts
we will face problems.
The Spinka Rebbe is awaiting jail, Rubashkin is awaiting jail. 3 bachurin
are in jail in Japan/Israel and the Slonimer chasidim tasted jail. All these are
the Kapore/Sair Lazazel for:
1.Didon Notzach for some old books granted to Chabad by the courts.
2. Satmarer Bros. who should receive Shishi and who should be buried
next to the Divrei Yoel ,decided by a African judge.
3. The Bobover uncle and nephew that had the courts decide in which
camp will Bobover send their children or which Nigan for Lecho Doidi.
4.Emanuel Shkozim with so called 2nd class Rabonim ran to court for Chinuch guidance decided by several women and 2 Lokshen experts.
4. Kahaneman/Markowitz of Ponevez who should get Shlishi or say
the Psiche at the Yarchei Kala is still in court litigation.
ואשימה בראשיכם! מידה כנגד מידה
Our Manhigim must be teachers and good examples. Stay away from Arkois!!!! ”
I sent three Hazmonos to so-called yeshiva gedoylim. They took months of haggling and responded after the third Hazmonah 'maybe yes maybe no we will come" to one of the so-called prime bateii dinim. The beth DIn the informed me "we will now send three hasroys (warnings"!
What a joke! One of the best and biggest batei dinim. My freind also informed me "for three
years after a psak the Beth Din is still hesitant to give him "permission to enforce it as agreed in the shtar berurin", By this time all the monies and assets have been hidden.
All goyish arbitration is done to save money and time for the parties. Here, each Toyin
takes $250-$350.00 per hour and the beth din chges $500 per hour wiyh a 2 hour minimum.
One may go to bais din for a lien or eviction of a tenant or a completed note enforcement without reshus bais din as the matter is clear, and does not need a psak from anyone!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "The petitioners also agreed that the parents be allowed to establish a separate school on the following school year." - Did anyone stop them till now? ”
A Private school (מוסד פטור) must be approved by the Government, and the Judge clearly said that he will not allow them to open a Private school if the don't follow his orders!!!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ “ who remembers when the slonimer rebbe said , that even one day he will not allow his chassidim to send the kids to a mix school, and today he allows 3 days.
did the torah change overnight?
yea they got beat and realized the entire chareidi system was at risk of losing funds. also, the court realized it was not about discrimination at all but truly concern for the religious background of the children. So it needed a compromise!!!!!!!!!!! ”
You have chutzpah!the reason was rav elyashiv refused to endorse his psak.And sent gafni and makle to get him settle.As for the agreement,the full story is that's it's only a bunch of school mesibas,with students from the sephardi and chabad school there as well.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 12:06 PM Liberalism is a Disease!!! Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ A most bigoted and racist act of orthodox Jews done to keep their daughters dumb, naive of Jews of different backgrounds. The true Jews are the sepharadim, who have practiced Judaism since the time of Moses. The European Jews are Jews from intermarriage with white races. Jews from the time of Moses were olive and were actually descendants from other olive skin colored people.
SHAME SHAME ”
Come back to us after 120 and let us know how hot G'henim is for you after that statement. I have my yichus going back to Dovid HaMelech which could obviously be traced to Adam Ha'Rishon. There was NO intermarriage.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 12:13 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Slonim group can open their own school next year. Thus, the Charedim stood down Secular Israel and won the batte. The Secular exposure to the Charedi World is through watching demonstrations on television. A few hundred Charedim protesting another chilul Hashem does not frighten them. The only time they see the 100,000 plus 'sea of black' is at a funeral of a Gadol Israel. Rav Rav Shach, zt"l was niftar on Erev Shabbos, not enough time for such a turnout, Thus, it has been many years since the Secular has had the wits scared out of them. Last weeks country wide demonstation, highlighting the unity of the Charedi World, e.g, Chassidim, Litvak, Sefardim, put the sheker of the Medina into clear relief, and bought those loyal to Hashem at least 10 years of quiet. ”
the opposite, the secular now consider the Charedim the Jewish mullahs and, like their Iranian counterparts understand the Charedim are not Judaism but a misdirected series of cults of Judaism under the control of power hungry "gedolim"who are wrong on Torah, wrong on morality and wrong on life.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 12:28 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "The petitioners also agreed that the parents be allowed to establish a separate school on the following school year." - Did anyone stop them till now? ”
Yes, they opened their own school this year and Lalom petitioned the court that they are outsmarting the court
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Jun 27, 2010 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
for this reason only, litzman cannot be a health minister or any charaidi
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Jun 27, 2010 at 01:15 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ A Private school (מוסד פטור) must be approved by the Government, and the Judge clearly said that he will not allow them to open a Private school if the don't follow his orders!!! ”
yes that is so
that is why I cannot figure out that the herideim said they won.
Also, I hope the the sholim girls where prepared in holiness to sit in the same room with the other girl, and will they make them go to the mikvha to purify them after the 3 days
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Jun 27, 2010 at 01:19 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Come back to us after 120 and let us know how hot G'henim is for you after that statement. I have my yichus going back to Dovid HaMelech which could obviously be traced to Adam Ha'Rishon. There was NO intermarriage. ”
I am not getting involved in your petty arguments, however the jews where of middle eastern descent not European, way back then Therefore they where not white skinned like we are they where dark like people from the middle east .
It is just common sense and not rocket science
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Jun 27, 2010 at 01:24 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ " As long as the religious will not accept Daas Tora and will run to Courts
we will face problems.
The Spinka Rebbe is awaiting jail, Rubashkin is awaiting jail. 3 bachurin
are in jail in Japan/Israel and the Slonimer chasidim tasted jail. All these are
the Kapore/Sair Lazazel for:
1.Didon Notzach for some old books granted to Chabad by the courts.
2. Satmarer Bros. who should receive Shishi and who should be buried
next to the Divrei Yoel ,decided by a African judge.
3. The Bobover uncle and nephew that had the courts decide in which
camp will Bobover send their children or which Nigan for Lecho Doidi.
4.Emanuel Shkozim with so called 2nd class Rabonim ran to court for Chinuch guidance decided by several women and 2 Lokshen experts.
4. Kahaneman/Markowitz of Ponevez who should get Shlishi or say
the Psiche at the Yarchei Kala is still in court litigation.
ואשימה בראשיכם! מידה כנגד מידה
Our Manhigim must be teachers and good examples. Stay away from Arkois!!!! ”
some of the above mentioned committed crimes and that is why they went to jail and not because people go to secular court. why is that so hand for some frummiess to grasp. You do a crime and get caught you go to jail. getting punished for a crime is that a foreign concept to frum people?
also you showed your true colors or racism by this comment "decided by a African judge"
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Jun 27, 2010 at 01:32 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Come back to us after 120 and let us know how hot G'henim is for you after that statement. I have my yichus going back to Dovid HaMelech which could obviously be traced to Adam Ha'Rishon. There was NO intermarriage. ”
obviously be traced to Adam Ha'Rishon
big deal so could every person in the world
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Jun 27, 2010 at 01:34 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ After reading the interview with Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, I have no idea who to believe. It's a sad day when there are no true leaders you can count on to get the unbiased truth. Bottom line is do your own thing. ”
rabbi yaakov yosef is a true leader. i believe in him.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 01:37 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ the opposite, the secular now consider the Charedim the Jewish mullahs and, like their Iranian counterparts understand the Charedim are not Judaism but a misdirected series of cults of Judaism under the control of power hungry "gedolim"who are wrong on Torah, wrong on morality and wrong on life. ”
The Slonim group can open their own school next year. Thus, the Charedim stood down Secular Israel and won the batte.
but they must follow the supreme court rules and give the court their plans by august
another words no segregation
how could it be that most missed that little point of the compromise.
Bottom line the chediem blinked, since they saw that the secular court was not going g to give in to their temper tantrums
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Jun 27, 2010 at 01:40 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
2#6&8 u are full of "crap" when will u get some "jewish sence in you're mind? u are smaller then a worm, when u even up with r' aliyshav (who didn't learn then,he attended this demonstration)
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Jun 27, 2010 at 01:44 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“It seems that in the country today, decisions are made by the Gedolei Yisrael [Israel’s foremost Haredi rabbis] and no one else,” said one of the fathers.
they have to say that and think that since they think that their Gedoleim are never ever wrong and cannot make a mistake.
Which of course is against the Torah since the Torah showed us even Moshe could make a mistake I think rashi mentions that
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Jun 27, 2010 at 02:03 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ for this reason only, litzman cannot be a health minister or any charaidi ”
What nonsense,what's it got to do one with the other.BTW,the reason utj landed the ministry is because no one wanted it!And they got it,as they joined the govt. last.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 02:19 PM Q Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I don't know about the other cases, but in the case you marked (1) you're very wrong. How dare you suggest that the tzadik gomur the Lubavitcher Rebbe would act against halacha? Every step of the way was approved by the greatest poskim. The thief was summoned to beis din and refused to come, and the beis din authorised a lawsuit to recover the stolen property. This is clearly allowed in Shulchon Oruch. ”
So it was OK to malign all the other rabbonim, but not the Lubavitcher Rebbe A"H.
You are so two faced you probably have a second set of eyes in the back of your head.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 02:32 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
#24
You are 100% right!!! The court granted the right what they said from the beginning that they want their own school. And now, who has the last laugh?? You bet, the Slonimer Chassidim. THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORIZED IT, THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE TO FUND IT TOO!!!!!!!
What a great day for Torah Education in Israel!!!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 02:42 PM vestin Says:Report as Inappropriate
By definition "a compromise proposal" means there are no winners. Each side can claim a victory on certain things, but on the whole, it was a VERY sad episode for the jewish people. If only the Slonim Rabbi and R' Yosef had sat down to work this out weeks ago....
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Jun 27, 2010 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ According to the agreement, during the next three days the school will hold conferences and lectures for students of all courses “in support of unity and the love of Israel. At least one thing they have in common the LOVE for Israel. What a chilel Hasham ”
“ According to the agreement, during the next three days the school will hold conferences and lectures for students of all courses “in support of unity and the love of Israel."
I think this means AHAVAS YISROEL, love for follow Yidden, not love for the state of israel.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 05:47 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Compromise is always good, we shouldn’t deride the Slonimer Rebbe for compromising, it’s a shame that the Slonimer Rebbe couldn’t bring himself to compromise earlier to compromise for the sake of equality. The sad truth is that this was discrimination all along and girls were rejected based on Sephardic background not on religious background. We should’ve focused on the real issue which is, are we Charedim correct in discriminating against Sephardim. Unfortunately it took the hated Israeli secular court to bring our “Gedolim” to their senses just as the blogosphere forced them to pay attention the child abuse problem. When are we going to get REAL leader addressing the REAL problems?
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Jun 27, 2010 at 05:48 PM Charlie Hall Says:Report as Inappropriate
No more segregation. Even in the new Chasidic school. That is good. The Torah wins. Thank you, Judge Levy!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 06:15 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Compromise is always good, we shouldn’t deride the Slonimer Rebbe for compromising, it’s a shame that the Slonimer Rebbe couldn’t bring himself to compromise earlier to compromise for the sake of equality. The sad truth is that this was discrimination all along and girls were rejected based on Sephardic background not on religious background. We should’ve focused on the real issue which is, are we Charedim correct in discriminating against Sephardim. Unfortunately it took the hated Israeli secular court to bring our “Gedolim” to their senses just as the blogosphere forced them to pay attention the child abuse problem. When are we going to get REAL leader addressing the REAL problems? ”
If girls were rejected based on Sephardic background, and not on religious background, why were there Sephardi fathers in jail??
It was NOT about discrimination, you ignoramus!!
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Jun 27, 2010 at 06:05 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ No more segregation. Even in the new Chasidic school. That is good. The Torah wins. Thank you, Judge Levy! ”
What segrgation?i bet there there will be the same amount of sephardim in this school,and the same amount of the ashkenazim in the so called sephardi one.Yes,the torah won,we don't go with the judges like levy,we follow the torah leaders.And we'll go to jail for it,if we have to.Why did you thank levy!?For his vicious coomments in pubic about tamedia chochimim?for his cruelty in wanting to send both sets of parents to prison at the same time?
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Jun 27, 2010 at 06:06 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Compromise is always good, we shouldn’t deride the Slonimer Rebbe for compromising, it’s a shame that the Slonimer Rebbe couldn’t bring himself to compromise earlier to compromise for the sake of equality. The sad truth is that this was discrimination all along and girls were rejected based on Sephardic background not on religious background. We should’ve focused on the real issue which is, are we Charedim correct in discriminating against Sephardim. Unfortunately it took the hated Israeli secular court to bring our “Gedolim” to their senses just as the blogosphere forced them to pay attention the child abuse problem. When are we going to get REAL leader addressing the REAL problems? ”
What foolish talk!Why are there 23% ashkenazic students in the other school.Because they are sephardi!?
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Jun 27, 2010 at 06:26 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Compromise is always good, we shouldn’t deride the Slonimer Rebbe for compromising, it’s a shame that the Slonimer Rebbe couldn’t bring himself to compromise earlier to compromise for the sake of equality. The sad truth is that this was discrimination all along and girls were rejected based on Sephardic background not on religious background. We should’ve focused on the real issue which is, are we Charedim correct in discriminating against Sephardim. Unfortunately it took the hated Israeli secular court to bring our “Gedolim” to their senses just as the blogosphere forced them to pay attention the child abuse problem. When are we going to get REAL leader addressing the REAL problems? ”
The Slonimer rebbe obviously could have agreed to this much earlier. Instead, he and the other rabbonim decided to use these girls as as props in a power play with the secular courts. They lost bigtime. We didn't need this chilul hashem undertaken in the name of kiddush hashem.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 03:17 PM mendelg Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Chareidim(sefardim & ashkenazim) won and the judges saved face. Before this "compromise", the "supreme" court wouldn't allow a separate school next year either.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 03:52 PM Little Wolfe Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What on Earth are you talking about? ”
The Courts stated intention was to, in essence, 'intergrate' the school permanently; meaning that if the Slonimers refused to send their children the the 'intergrated' school NEXT YEAR they would be put back in jail. Some compromise. You figure out who won; the 'integrated' school that has a life time of three days or Slonimers that are free to their own school, on their own terms, next year.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 04:17 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ On the contrary, what did the Slonimers give up? Where do you see a capitulation? They get everything they wanted: their daughters will not have to spend their days in an unsuitable environment. For three days ALL the girls' schools in Imanuel will attend a conference and hear speakers, and then go home. They will not be hanging around in the playground and making friends. And next year they will have their own school. ”
If someone like Milhouse cannot acknowledge the the Slonimers have been soundly defeated and their so called "principled: position has been crushed than I guess its good news. The Slonimer who created this artificial crisis for reasons they still haven't explained will slowly but cetainly suffer for having created such a chilul hashem for the whole world to see yidden engaging in such sinas chinam. There are few Slonimer left and I doubt they will be a recognizable chassidus a generation from now.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 04:21 PM Aaron Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ #24
You are 100% right!!! The court granted the right what they said from the beginning that they want their own school. And now, who has the last laugh?? You bet, the Slonimer Chassidim. THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORIZED IT, THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE TO FUND IT TOO!!!!!!!
What a great day for Torah Education in Israel!!! ”
The government will not fund this new school .
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Jun 27, 2010 at 04:41 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
"hodu L'haShem ki tov"
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Jun 27, 2010 at 07:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Slonimer rebbe obviously could have agreed to this much earlier. Instead, he and the other rabbonim decided to use these girls as as props in a power play with the secular courts. They lost bigtime. We didn't need this chilul hashem undertaken in the name of kiddush hashem. ”
What utter nonsense.Rav elyashiv worked very hard to reach a deal,humbling himself,to avoid a disaster.They won big time.There is no real school the next few days,just a nice gathering.And they finnaly have the right to open their own school.And the rally was one of the greatest kiddush Hashem's in years.I t was amazing.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 08:35 PM Do you want the facts? Says:Report as Inappropriate
The slonimer Rebbe spoke tonight and adressed all your questions and it was aired in all local media. The two things he said that we need to be Moisser Neffesh on and will not budge even if he is put in front of a firing squad
1- The rebbe said the school will reunite.
The Rebbe proposed all along, that If all Schools in Imannual will come together for a three day seminar his school will join. Last night at 1:30 am Mr. Lalum was still not accepting this (untill Rav Ovadia got involved and left him no choice)
2- The judge up on till this morning (see his letter that he wrote on Fri.) Insisted that the only way the parents wll get out of jail, is if they sign that they accept the court order although it is inconsistent with Daas Torah
The parents said they will not sign and were released scott free
Ashreinu ma tov chelkeinu that our gedolim will not bend ther hashkofos for the BAGATZ
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Jun 27, 2010 at 10:43 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Bagatz is the Supreme court of eretz yisroel. If it makes "our gedlolim" happy to say they did not bend, thats wonderful but who cares. They recognized the authority of the court and secular law and thats all that matters. If they want to say they "won" thats fine too.
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Jun 27, 2010 at 10:58 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ No more segregation. Even in the new Chasidic school. That is good. The Torah wins. Thank you, Judge Levy! ”
judge levy has no intrest that the torha should win. he is a judge in the secular bagatz that wants to root out the torah from klal yisroel. they are worse from the nazis!
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Jun 28, 2010 at 01:03 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Don't The 2 guys in the photo leaving the prison look like sfardim? ”
what a racist comment!
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Jun 28, 2010 at 01:09 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ A most bigoted and racist act of orthodox Jews done to keep their daughters dumb, naive of Jews of different backgrounds. The true Jews are the sepharadim, who have practiced Judaism since the time of Moses. The European Jews are Jews from intermarriage with white races. Jews from the time of Moses were olive and were actually descendants from other olive skin colored people.
SHAME SHAME ”
And here comes the real racism, the historic racism and chauvinism that has been the hallmark of Sefardim for centuries. For your information, Ashkenazi traditions are far older than Sefardi ones; the Torah came to Spain and North Africa from Europe. Europe had yeshivos; Spain and North Africa had none until the Arba Shvuyim came from Italy.
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Jun 28, 2010 at 01:15 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So it was OK to malign all the other rabbonim, but not the Lubavitcher Rebbe A"H.
You are so two faced you probably have a second set of eyes in the back of your head. ”
מדוע לא יראתם לדבר בעבדי במשה?
The other cases are all between rebbes and talmidei chachomim, who have differences. I don't know the facts in each case. But none of them are between a tzadik and a common thief.
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Jun 28, 2010 at 01:21 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Bagatz is the Supreme court of eretz yisroel. If it makes "our gedlolim" happy to say they did not bend, thats wonderful but who cares. They recognized the authority of the court and secular law and thats all that matters. If they want to say they "won" thats fine too. ”
The whole point is that they did NOT recognise its authority. ומרדכי לא יכרע ולא ישתחוה
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Jun 28, 2010 at 07:25 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ exactly what i was thinking. what happened to being willing to face a firing squad? ”
The slonimer Rabbi got what he wanted, they will be able to open a NEW school next year , until now they where forbidden from doing that - because of false accusations of discrimination.......
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Jun 28, 2010 at 07:29 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ It's wonderful that a compromise was reached and that the mothers will not have to sit in jail. If the Slonimer Rebbe Shlita had foresight perhaps this compromise could have been reached earlier and even the fathers would have not had to sit. Not only that, but instead of wasting 3 hours demonstrating, 150,000 could have been learning Torah. 450,000 hours of Torah wasted on this!!! Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Shekel wasted on legal fees!!! ”
Sorry! You are wrong, the only reason this was reached - is because the court saw that the fathers are strong in there minds, & also that the WHOLE charaidy community is on there side
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Jun 28, 2010 at 07:34 AM Q Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ מדוע לא יראתם לדבר בעבדי במשה?
The other cases are all between rebbes and talmidei chachomim, who have differences. I don't know the facts in each case. But none of them are between a tzadik and a common thief. ”
The exact same claim can be made by either side of any of these disputes.
The only insult that bothers you is the one against the Lubavitcher Rebbe A"H.
All these cases involved rebbehs taking their disputes with other yiddin to secular courts. None is any better than another.
As for the Lubavitcher Rebbe's A"H opponent being a thief and therefore this being different, the case was argued in civil court, not criminal court.
Face it, you care not a bit about kavod hatorah. You care about the kavod of those you have decided are the gedolai yisroel to the exclusion on all others, most notably the late Rabbi Schneerson A"H.