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Manhattan,NY - Jewish-Music Figure Gets Prison in $36K Theft

Published on: June 29, 2010 11:13 PM
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Manhattan, NY - A singer who claimed to have the stardom of Michael Jackson in Israel was sentenced to one to three years prison today for stealing $36,000 from a Washington Heights woman.

The 50-year-old singer, scammed the money from his victim — a fellow Orthodox Jew — by promising he would invest it in a coveted Torah scroll, which he said he would acquire through his connections in Israel.

Instead, he took the money and ignored demands from the victim and her family to return it.

The woman said she intended to give the Torah to her now deceased husband, who was ill and unable to leave the house to worship.

He was found guilty of grand larceny and harassment at trial. When he testified he described himself as a major music celebrity overseas.

“It wasn’t fifty thousand it was only a few — they exaggerated,” he allegedly said when he was arrested on Feb. 17, 2008, according to court documents.

“I’ve got mafia, I’ve got guns. You don’t want to mess with me.”

At his sentencing today, his lawyer asked for a reduced sentence of only six months, with probation to follow.

But Manhattan Supreme Court Judge said that he should have to pay for the stress and agony he caused the victim’s family.

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The funds were not returned until today, when he handed over a check to prosecutors in court. 

The victim’s son said his mother is very relieved that the ordeal is over.

Outside the courthouse, the lawyer defended his client’s questionable status as a member of the Orthodox clergy. The lawyer said that he is a trained rabbi, but does not have his own congregation.



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 Jun 29, 2010 at 11:45 PM kulanu chachamim Says:

Rachmana litzlan! "fellow Orthodox Jew", people like this are not Orthodox, maybe they look the part, that's about all

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 12:08 AM glatekup Says:

This is a sad day. There has got to be another side to this story.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 12:14 AM Wow Says:

Anybody heard of this before today?
What was he thinking?

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 12:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately this woman was not looking for her money. She was looking for revenge. The money was only handed over today because she didn't agree to accept it and drop the charges. She thinks that she is doing a "toivo" to her husbands neshomo. Rachmono litslan. May Hashem have mercy on his soul and may He have mercy on us. I really hope that this person will not suffer in prison too much. He still has a family and children. They are definitely not guilty.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 04:32 AM Common Sense Says:

Reply to #3  
Wow Says:

Anybody heard of this before today?
What was he thinking?

BH

He most likely wasn't thinking at all. Who thinks when they have ten children to support and is in a financial mess . I know stealing is wrong, but than again who said he wanted to steal the money. He just thought it'll work out. אל תדון את חבירך עד שתגיע למקומו

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 12:51 AM Loshon Hora Says:

Murubim Tzorchei amecho Vedaatom ketzoro.
We have fallen to this, how sad could it be? This guy is a Ben-Torah, he learns all day for years. I don't understand why he came back to the US to stand trial, why was he not in beis din?
Now look, what this led to a chain of events, think how much it cost, the legal fees etc what did he gain?
Look at the Medrash about sheker coming in to the Teivoh, it needed a partner so it took pechas,any money taken on sheker loses all the honest money together with it.
This was a woman with a terminally ill husband who is now a widow? Where were her Rabonim, or did they allow her to go to court?
His songs are OK, shirah isn't mekabel tumah, & then he was OK. I think it was the gerer Rebbe who said on kfatin the Chazan, that when he sings he gets a hirurhur tshuva, & one may listen to him.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 01:10 AM Anonymous Says:

This is crazy! Everyone who knows the singer knows this story does NOT add up.

He should go for an appeal!!!!

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 01:17 AM Anonymous Says:

what is th point in posting this story?

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 01:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately this woman was not looking for her money. She was looking for revenge. The money was only handed over today because she didn't agree to accept it and drop the charges. She thinks that she is doing a "toivo" to her husbands neshomo. Rachmono litslan. May Hashem have mercy on his soul and may He have mercy on us. I really hope that this person will not suffer in prison too much. He still has a family and children. They are definitely not guilty.

The woman has been an almono for 30 years and brought up 2 wonderful chosheve children all on her own. "To accept the money and drop the charges"??? DO you realize what a serious issur deoraisa of causing tzar to an almno and yesomim was committed, besides the theft? May Hashem have mercy on "this person" - do you think the tefilos he led as a shaliach tzibur were accepted?

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 02:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Very sad, I'm not gonna comment because I don't know the details, but one thing is for sure "if she didn't summoned him to Beth Din before, she is an a outright Musir!".
I happened to be involved in a case where a wealthy business man from BP who is supposedly doing "private loans" scammed out $50,000 from some poor individuals and after doing some research they discovered that they are not the first one to get defrauded by this crook, he is a systematic con artist and numerous poor individuals already lost there money with him, all the Botei Dinum and Toianem know about him,
what's the solution? how do you stop this guy?

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 02:02 AM Anonymous Says:

I wonder if she fad a heter from a beth din or ruv to go to court & persue a criminal case against another yid. & if so by which ruv

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 02:06 AM professor Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately this woman was not looking for her money. She was looking for revenge. The money was only handed over today because she didn't agree to accept it and drop the charges. She thinks that she is doing a "toivo" to her husbands neshomo. Rachmono litslan. May Hashem have mercy on his soul and may He have mercy on us. I really hope that this person will not suffer in prison too much. He still has a family and children. They are definitely not guilty.

This dirt bag of a chillul Hashem should rot in prison. Additionally, the guy denied her claim of 50K, so he had no intention of returning it all. He threatened violence and other things to a claimant that was in the right. He should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 02:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately this woman was not looking for her money. She was looking for revenge. The money was only handed over today because she didn't agree to accept it and drop the charges. She thinks that she is doing a "toivo" to her husbands neshomo. Rachmono litslan. May Hashem have mercy on his soul and may He have mercy on us. I really hope that this person will not suffer in prison too much. He still has a family and children. They are definitely not guilty.

Of course! Blame the victim, that seems to be the playbook here when the guilty party is Frum.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 02:55 AM my rav says Says:

Did you ever hear a Oif Tahor sing. Only Ofoth Temaim can sing!
This will answer all the questions.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 04:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately this woman was not looking for her money. She was looking for revenge. The money was only handed over today because she didn't agree to accept it and drop the charges. She thinks that she is doing a "toivo" to her husbands neshomo. Rachmono litslan. May Hashem have mercy on his soul and may He have mercy on us. I really hope that this person will not suffer in prison too much. He still has a family and children. They are definitely not guilty.

By using this argument you are saying that criminal should not be punished or incarcerated. the torah hakdoshe disagrees with this line of thought!

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 04:29 AM Common Sense Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately this woman was not looking for her money. She was looking for revenge. The money was only handed over today because she didn't agree to accept it and drop the charges. She thinks that she is doing a "toivo" to her husbands neshomo. Rachmono litslan. May Hashem have mercy on his soul and may He have mercy on us. I really hope that this person will not suffer in prison too much. He still has a family and children. They are definitely not guilty.

BH

Please do not turn the rightful accuser into the accused, she is hurting. She is right and he was wrong. On the other hand, going to the court is a terrible sin and in this case actually mesirah. As tough as it is we must accept the laws of the Torah and avoid arresting another fellow Jew. I do not want to even repeat what the Rambam says about someone who goes to court, let alone puts another Jew behind bars. She should learn Parshas Mishpatim.

The singer is not a Rabbi and nothing close to Stardom in the likes of Micheal Jackson. I happen to love this singers songs, so full of heart and yiddish geshmack. I know a little about him and he's crying for help for a very long time. He's a Jew yearning for guidance and seems to have a split personality, he really loves to learn. It's possible he had no intentions of stealing the money, he just thought something will come up, as many people in distress are led to believe. He's been having financial issues along time. He was rotting in Jail the previous year and no one new and rather by coincidence someone found out and he was released on Purim after a hefty bail was paid by this Tzadik.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 06:29 AM Anonymous Says:

dont u pity the almana and the orphans....shame on all of u who feel bad for the crook...tsk tsk,,,what is this world coming to? hypocrits all of u

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 07:27 AM formally Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Very sad, I'm not gonna comment because I don't know the details, but one thing is for sure "if she didn't summoned him to Beth Din before, she is an a outright Musir!".
I happened to be involved in a case where a wealthy business man from BP who is supposedly doing "private loans" scammed out $50,000 from some poor individuals and after doing some research they discovered that they are not the first one to get defrauded by this crook, he is a systematic con artist and numerous poor individuals already lost there money with him, all the Botei Dinum and Toianem know about him,
what's the solution? how do you stop this guy?

umm go to the police.

these type of guys know exactly what they are doing are they rip off their own since they know most won't go to the police. And know beis din has limited powers.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 07:45 AM Anonymous Says:

If she went to masser him without a heter bes din, then she is the most guilty of all! No matter if he did steal or not, a mosur has no chelek in olam haboh!

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 07:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Loshon Hora Says:

Murubim Tzorchei amecho Vedaatom ketzoro.
We have fallen to this, how sad could it be? This guy is a Ben-Torah, he learns all day for years. I don't understand why he came back to the US to stand trial, why was he not in beis din?
Now look, what this led to a chain of events, think how much it cost, the legal fees etc what did he gain?
Look at the Medrash about sheker coming in to the Teivoh, it needed a partner so it took pechas,any money taken on sheker loses all the honest money together with it.
This was a woman with a terminally ill husband who is now a widow? Where were her Rabonim, or did they allow her to go to court?
His songs are OK, shirah isn't mekabel tumah, & then he was OK. I think it was the gerer Rebbe who said on kfatin the Chazan, that when he sings he gets a hirurhur tshuva, & one may listen to him.

Some of your facts are not consistent with what the sforim say. for instance your statement that " shira is not mekabel tuma" is totally wrong. see chsam sofer droshos quoting the shagas arye that bizman hazeh kol zimra yesh bo achiza lsamach mem rachmana litzlon. look and (dont listen) to lipe shmeltzers songs that corrupt the young talmidim bringing the whole goishkeit and then some into their pure minds.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 07:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
professor Says:

This dirt bag of a chillul Hashem should rot in prison. Additionally, the guy denied her claim of 50K, so he had no intention of returning it all. He threatened violence and other things to a claimant that was in the right. He should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Since non of us - including your self did NOT HEAR his side of the story, and whatever claims or details maybe exaggerated or totaLly false, so non of us can judge.
One thing appears obvious, that someone here was a mossur, and if so, such a person rather deserves the title of 'dirt bag' and real 'chilul hashem'.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 08:05 AM truth Says:

Reply to #16  
Common Sense Says:

BH

Please do not turn the rightful accuser into the accused, she is hurting. She is right and he was wrong. On the other hand, going to the court is a terrible sin and in this case actually mesirah. As tough as it is we must accept the laws of the Torah and avoid arresting another fellow Jew. I do not want to even repeat what the Rambam says about someone who goes to court, let alone puts another Jew behind bars. She should learn Parshas Mishpatim.

The singer is not a Rabbi and nothing close to Stardom in the likes of Micheal Jackson. I happen to love this singers songs, so full of heart and yiddish geshmack. I know a little about him and he's crying for help for a very long time. He's a Jew yearning for guidance and seems to have a split personality, he really loves to learn. It's possible he had no intentions of stealing the money, he just thought something will come up, as many people in distress are led to believe. He's been having financial issues along time. He was rotting in Jail the previous year and no one new and rather by coincidence someone found out and he was released on Purim after a hefty bail was paid by this Tzadik.

Please cease all your frummer shtusim. This lady is a pure Yiras Shomaim that surely went to beis din first and got permission to go to the court. Your quote of the Rambam is megale ponim batorah shelo cehalacha.

The creep ganuv changed his name in court to escape prosecution. He is a scammer of the worst sort and deserves to rot in solitary.

All these crocodile tears about the most phony person you will ever meet who has swindled money from many and especially from a poor almana are severely misplaced. Anything this guy does is molei tumah and psul. May he stew in his well deserved punishment.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 08:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Since non of us - including your self did NOT HEAR his side of the story, and whatever claims or details maybe exaggerated or totaLly false, so non of us can judge.
One thing appears obvious, that someone here was a mossur, and if so, such a person rather deserves the title of 'dirt bag' and real 'chilul hashem'.

Since u didn't hear HER FULL side of the story, maybe she had a heter

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 08:32 AM jewinjerusalem Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Very sad, I'm not gonna comment because I don't know the details, but one thing is for sure "if she didn't summoned him to Beth Din before, she is an a outright Musir!".
I happened to be involved in a case where a wealthy business man from BP who is supposedly doing "private loans" scammed out $50,000 from some poor individuals and after doing some research they discovered that they are not the first one to get defrauded by this crook, he is a systematic con artist and numerous poor individuals already lost there money with him, all the Botei Dinum and Toianem know about him,
what's the solution? how do you stop this guy?

She is not a moser. She transgressed the halacha of going to arka'os [unless she reshus from a bet din of course]. many people are quick to scream "moiser." They are usually wrong!

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 08:37 AM jancsi Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Since non of us - including your self did NOT HEAR his side of the story, and whatever claims or details maybe exaggerated or totaLly false, so non of us can judge.
One thing appears obvious, that someone here was a mossur, and if so, such a person rather deserves the title of 'dirt bag' and real 'chilul hashem'.

well the verdict is in he is guilty after being heard in a court of law what more do you want that you should hear it and pronounce him tottaly innocent di shoite youre the dirt bag the worst that can be

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:18 AM Anonymous Says:

I'm not sure what this story is about however Turning to the Goy for help punishing a fellow jew is like handing over your brother to the Nazis in WWII there's no difference at all. These has become so common amongs us (turning to the court to imprison fellow jew) this is no doubt bringing gods vengeance on us all and no doubt someone will suffer for this regardless of the crime committed.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:19 AM Anonymous Says:

i think the sentences were mixed up somehow.

this guy should get 27 years, and rubashkin should get 1-3 years.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Since non of us - including your self did NOT HEAR his side of the story, and whatever claims or details maybe exaggerated or totaLly false, so non of us can judge.
One thing appears obvious, that someone here was a mossur, and if so, such a person rather deserves the title of 'dirt bag' and real 'chilul hashem'.

Why is it SO "obvious" that this was a case of mesirah ???
Maybe there was a heter ???
If you are dan one side l'caf zechus then if you are impartial you need to be dan the other side l'caf zechus as well. These days too many chareidim from ALL circles are going to court I would like to assume that they are getting a heter from their rabbonim for various reasons. Don't you agree ??????

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

The woman has been an almono for 30 years and brought up 2 wonderful chosheve children all on her own. "To accept the money and drop the charges"??? DO you realize what a serious issur deoraisa of causing tzar to an almno and yesomim was committed, besides the theft? May Hashem have mercy on "this person" - do you think the tefilos he led as a shaliach tzibur were accepted?

I am you understand the tzaar of the almuno very well and i am sure yor heart bleeds for her. Do you really think that by him being in prison will relieve her tzaar?. You are so concerend about a issur deoiraise, gevaldig! Do you think what was done to him is a deoiraise? did you or somebody ask a shaale if this is deoiraise? FYI, i was taken for aride by a chareidi and b'h no body is in prison for that and i did not get back my money.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:32 AM bakanteh Says:

I was his roomate in yeshiva.all he is guilty of is a loose screw.as his pressures of life got bigger his screw got looser

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:40 AM Mruly Says:

He should have been arrested years ago for the wretched music he put out. THAT was his biggest crime!

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:44 AM Anonymous Says:

I am very familiar with the story. I would like to clrarify the situation. This person has been very ill for at least the past ten years, his family has suffered greatly due to his illness. I am not a doctor so I don't know the diagnosys, however there have been ups and downs over the years. He is a profesional scammer for one reason only, because he believes his own scams. His illness causes him to believe his halucinations, such as that he is the jewish michael jackson.so it is very sad but true that he took the money for the tora.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:47 AM Loshon Hora Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Since non of us - including your self did NOT HEAR his side of the story, and whatever claims or details maybe exaggerated or totaLly false, so non of us can judge.
One thing appears obvious, that someone here was a mossur, and if so, such a person rather deserves the title of 'dirt bag' and real 'chilul hashem'.

If someone threatens an Almana he previously robbed with guns & mafia [let alone what the Torah says about hurting an almana], and she is frightened and calls any Rov. The Rov hears it and it sounds authentic, how does the Rov pasken? I think we all know the answer here, "call the police". Besides there are many Rabonim who pasken that someone who scams other Yidden because they won't masser him, it is a mitzvah to masser him.
OK I guess you are only an naonymous blogger, but how do you pasken mesirah? Do you really think had she not gone this route she would have retrieved her money, and felt safe?
How many Keren Almonos & Yesomim have you donated to? How about the opposite taken from them? & how about scammed them.
Here again I only know the story from cyberspace although it cost me last night's sleep, I still don't know all details, but please don't jump to conclusions here.
If heimishe scammers were stopped by law enforcement ASAP, with reshus Beis Din, there would be a lot less heart attacks, Of course all you people shouting mosur, & not thinking Kol hanoitel Shoveh Pruta machaveiro keilu noitel es nafshoi, keli shofeich domim. The perp becomes the victim.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:49 AM lacibacsi Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

I'm not sure what this story is about however Turning to the Goy for help punishing a fellow jew is like handing over your brother to the Nazis in WWII there's no difference at all. These has become so common amongs us (turning to the court to imprison fellow jew) this is no doubt bringing gods vengeance on us all and no doubt someone will suffer for this regardless of the crime committed.

you must be insane you compare the american justice system to the natzis how low can you get youre pure evil di shoite

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately this woman was not looking for her money. She was looking for revenge. The money was only handed over today because she didn't agree to accept it and drop the charges. She thinks that she is doing a "toivo" to her husbands neshomo. Rachmono litslan. May Hashem have mercy on his soul and may He have mercy on us. I really hope that this person will not suffer in prison too much. He still has a family and children. They are definitely not guilty.

BUT HE IS. why are you trying to make it seem like this is the falt of the almuna? Please do not protect a goniff. And VIN why do you not name the person? He is convicted and sentenced by a court of law, the public has the right to know so we can be vigilant. Fair reporting dictates that we report all or none, not pick and choose and hide behing a vail of supposed religiosity.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Very sad, I'm not gonna comment because I don't know the details, but one thing is for sure "if she didn't summoned him to Beth Din before, she is an a outright Musir!".
I happened to be involved in a case where a wealthy business man from BP who is supposedly doing "private loans" scammed out $50,000 from some poor individuals and after doing some research they discovered that they are not the first one to get defrauded by this crook, he is a systematic con artist and numerous poor individuals already lost there money with him, all the Botei Dinum and Toianem know about him,
what's the solution? how do you stop this guy?

you stop him by going to the police

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 09:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

I'm not sure what this story is about however Turning to the Goy for help punishing a fellow jew is like handing over your brother to the Nazis in WWII there's no difference at all. These has become so common amongs us (turning to the court to imprison fellow jew) this is no doubt bringing gods vengeance on us all and no doubt someone will suffer for this regardless of the crime committed.

While I agree with you in principal, there are too many cases of "frum" Yidden ignoring a Siruv from a Beis Din or even ignoring the settlement once the case has been adjudicated, and instead of the Klal following the halachic retrictions against this person they are ignored, eith willfully or out of ignorence either way the plantill has no recourse to turn to Beis HaMishpat. While this is not ideal it is the only available course.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 10:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

If she went to masser him without a heter bes din, then she is the most guilty of all! No matter if he did steal or not, a mosur has no chelek in olam haboh!

You obviously never went to a besdin to settle a financial matter. I have done so on multiple occasions, and with one or two exceptions, have yet to see an honest besdin, and I've gone through DOZENS in Boro Park and Monsey.

Please tell me who appointed you judge of who gets olam haboh and who doesn't? You are extremely arrogant to think you know what Gd will and won't do or accept.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 10:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

I am you understand the tzaar of the almuno very well and i am sure yor heart bleeds for her. Do you really think that by him being in prison will relieve her tzaar?. You are so concerend about a issur deoiraise, gevaldig! Do you think what was done to him is a deoiraise? did you or somebody ask a shaale if this is deoiraise? FYI, i was taken for aride by a chareidi and b'h no body is in prison for that and i did not get back my money.

Well you are a bigger tzadik than I would be. Because if money was stolen from me whether by force or decption I would at the very least get my money back one way or the other. I truly appreciate the fact that we should not incarcerate a Yid, however when that Yid commits the crime of a petty goy then his punishment should be no different, to do otherwise sends the message that we will tolerate this criminal activity and allow it to contiinue.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 10:15 AM Cadd9 Says:

Sometimes I wish I had never thrown out my Pink Floyd albums, my Dead concert recordings etc.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 10:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

I am very familiar with the story. I would like to clrarify the situation. This person has been very ill for at least the past ten years, his family has suffered greatly due to his illness. I am not a doctor so I don't know the diagnosys, however there have been ups and downs over the years. He is a profesional scammer for one reason only, because he believes his own scams. His illness causes him to believe his halucinations, such as that he is the jewish michael jackson.so it is very sad but true that he took the money for the tora.

And you fell that is justification for ganavis? Sorry that does not cut it in my book. If what you say he should seek help and if not he should be forced into a mental facility, even Torahs says that the Klal are to be protected from criminals

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 10:18 AM midwesterner Says:

Anyone who knows anything about this singer since he dropped off of the radar of the American public a few years ago, know that he needs a refuah sheleima. To the extent that who knows if he is chayav in mitzvos. Not to chas veshalom minimize the tzaar of this almana and yesomim, but he is a man who had a precipitous fall in more than one way, most of which was out of his control. He needs rachamanus, but not because the victim was too tough on him, as some of the commenters have said. He is a man with huge talent, and was once quite wealthy and successful with a beautiful family, that has had his life spin out of control, largely due to breakdown and illness.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:

It's amusing to see all the gangsters, robbers & scammers coming out of the woodwork shouting "mesirah" they would much prefer the old system of ineffective and sometimes corrupt BaisDin system that they can manipulate & ignore at will.
(I sincerely apologize to those real honest people that are legitimately pained by what they presume to be chillul Hashem of bypassing our own Torah system & stooping to go to the goyim. Sadly, I am not convinced that they are right for numerous reasons unfortunately, I wish they would be right though)

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 10:21 AM Shaul in Monsey Says:

Batei Dinim today are a bigger waste of time than going to the DMV. And a lot more expensive. IF, and that's a big if, the dayonim are not on the take, then there's a bigger problem. If a guy is dishonest, then what does he care about some rabbis? Today batei dinim should accept that they are impotent and just sit and give out heter arkaos. Most dayonim are inept anyway. But as long as the simpletons are willing to pay 500 and hour for dayonim and 350 for toanim it's a great business.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 10:31 AM anonymous Says:

I am well acquainted with the story and all I can say is this is a VERY well deserved punishment. The guy is a scam artist, and cause this woman and many others a tremendous amount of anguish aside from the financial loss. He was was approached by Rabbonim and friends and asked to pay back, and he refused. The Bais Din said it was a waste of time to deal with him because he doesn't listen anyway. Rav Heineman in Baltimore gave a Heter to go to court. He was given the opportunity to plea bargain and settle out of court and refused. This guy has not a shred of remorse. He got up in court and spewed one lie after another. Honestly his performance in court was the real CHILUL HASHEM. I have been involved in this Maisa for the last five years, and have first hand knowledge of all the details. Unfortunately just because someone is frum and a "star" doesn't mean they are innocent

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 10:40 AM Mr M Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

You obviously never went to a besdin to settle a financial matter. I have done so on multiple occasions, and with one or two exceptions, have yet to see an honest besdin, and I've gone through DOZENS in Boro Park and Monsey.

Please tell me who appointed you judge of who gets olam haboh and who doesn't? You are extremely arrogant to think you know what Gd will and won't do or accept.

You've gone to Bies Din on "Multiple occassions"!

Oy Vey.

I have to wonder who has the problem here? You or the multiple people you have had issues with!

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 11:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Anonymous Says:

It's amusing to see all the gangsters, robbers & scammers coming out of the woodwork shouting "mesirah" they would much prefer the old system of ineffective and sometimes corrupt BaisDin system that they can manipulate & ignore at will.
(I sincerely apologize to those real honest people that are legitimately pained by what they presume to be chillul Hashem of bypassing our own Torah system & stooping to go to the goyim. Sadly, I am not convinced that they are right for numerous reasons unfortunately, I wish they would be right though)

Bais din today has only civil not criminal powers - what would a bais din do?

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Loshon Hora Says:

Murubim Tzorchei amecho Vedaatom ketzoro.
We have fallen to this, how sad could it be? This guy is a Ben-Torah, he learns all day for years. I don't understand why he came back to the US to stand trial, why was he not in beis din?
Now look, what this led to a chain of events, think how much it cost, the legal fees etc what did he gain?
Look at the Medrash about sheker coming in to the Teivoh, it needed a partner so it took pechas,any money taken on sheker loses all the honest money together with it.
This was a woman with a terminally ill husband who is now a widow? Where were her Rabonim, or did they allow her to go to court?
His songs are OK, shirah isn't mekabel tumah, & then he was OK. I think it was the gerer Rebbe who said on kfatin the Chazan, that when he sings he gets a hirurhur tshuva, & one may listen to him.

No!
It was the Munkatcher ruv and he said they should stop the recording because he dosen't want to get a Hirhur tshuvah from the Sitrah Achrah.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 11:09 AM berelt Says:

why arent we doing for him like rubashkin and the japan three yom tefilia tehillim

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 11:10 AM Mr M Says:

Is there any point to all our comments?

We should all be crying. For him, for her and especially for his family. We should be heartbroken over this entire sad story.

Especialy at this sad time of the year, let's live up to Bilom's brocho of Mah Tovu Oyholecho Yaakov. Our nation respected each others privacy. Let's not pry into each other's lives.

Let cut down on our loshonh Horah. What goes on in other people's lives is not of our business.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 11:18 AM Anonymous Says:

I don't know the details of this case, but I am informed about a true case where an ordained rabbi took a manuscript from an older bochur who had put together $18,000 to get married. The rabbi offered to get the manuscript printed through his connection to a major publisher, for 18,000.00. After 2 years of no results, he refused to return monies or manuscript. The victim took him to Beis Din, and they found him guilty. "Rabbi" in turn took Beis Din to Beis Din for issuing Seruv, although he was warned. 1 1/2 years later man still does not have money nor manuscript back. Moral of true story is: Beis Din does not have tha authority to enforce their Psak.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM morrissstre Says:

What a nebach! please have a little compasssion for this singer-- he is talented but unfortunately not well - his family has made him an outcast and he was sent packing- this is not your typical case. He has no support from any one he is a very special man who needs help

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 11:33 AM tallman Says:

One Rabbi swings and the other sings.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 11:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

No!
It was the Munkatcher ruv and he said they should stop the recording because he dosen't want to get a Hirhur tshuvah from the Sitrah Achrah.

Thanks for the mareh mokom. lrts all stop buying and listening to songs that were made by kalim vereikim who copy the essence of goyishe music and defile our tiere neshumos.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 11:54 AM Anonymous Says:

All this good - but what is the name of this person?

He has been found guilty and sentenced to three years in jail, so why doesn't VIN publish his name?

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 12:33 PM G Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

By using this argument you are saying that criminal should not be punished or incarcerated. the torah hakdoshe disagrees with this line of thought!

The torah hakedoisha's punishment benefits the victim, not here.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 12:44 PM formally Says:

Reply to #52  
Mr M Says:

Is there any point to all our comments?

We should all be crying. For him, for her and especially for his family. We should be heartbroken over this entire sad story.

Especialy at this sad time of the year, let's live up to Bilom's brocho of Mah Tovu Oyholecho Yaakov. Our nation respected each others privacy. Let's not pry into each other's lives.

Let cut down on our loshonh Horah. What goes on in other people's lives is not of our business.

i will cry for her not him

stop the nonsense every time a yid commits a crime the Torah punished people who committed sins. The Torah did not say nebach lets not punish him

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 12:45 PM truth Says:

Reply to #54  
morrissstre Says:

What a nebach! please have a little compasssion for this singer-- he is talented but unfortunately not well - his family has made him an outcast and he was sent packing- this is not your typical case. He has no support from any one he is a very special man who needs help

He has scammed a poor almona among many other people. He changed his name legally in order to escape prosecution. He is an evil vicious scammer and is also an abuser of young boys.

If ever anyone didn't deserve mercy, it's this piece of trash.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 12:47 PM formally Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

I'm not sure what this story is about however Turning to the Goy for help punishing a fellow jew is like handing over your brother to the Nazis in WWII there's no difference at all. These has become so common amongs us (turning to the court to imprison fellow jew) this is no doubt bringing gods vengeance on us all and no doubt someone will suffer for this regardless of the crime committed.

you need to make a public apolgy to all the victims of thge Nazis and all the citizens of this great country for your stupid comment..

yes this is no doubt bringing gods vengeance not that she went to court but again frum yiddin excuse stealing.

when did stealing become kosher

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 12:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

Bais din today has only civil not criminal powers - what would a bais din do?

You say “ Bais din today has only civil not criminal powers - what would a bais din do?”
Assuming you have a legitimate competent non-corrupt Bais Din then I think they can give you permission to go to the courts to enforce their judgement if the guilty party refuses to abide by their ruling. I'm not sure of this.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 01:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Please do not comment anything against this woman. I personally have had dealings with this singer and he is unfortunately mentally ill, and one ca not have a rational dialogue with him. He never would have listened to anything bais din would say (as was in my case) so it would have been futile. It's not his fault - he is mentally ill - but he needs to reach this bottom to realize he needs to take care of his illness. So anyone commenting against the woman - now you see why you have to be dan l'kaf z'chus and realize that she is completely in the right. It's the only way she could get her money back....and it's good for him too.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

I'm not sure what this story is about however Turning to the Goy for help punishing a fellow jew is like handing over your brother to the Nazis in WWII there's no difference at all. These has become so common amongs us (turning to the court to imprison fellow jew) this is no doubt bringing gods vengeance on us all and no doubt someone will suffer for this regardless of the crime committed.

Yes, going to court to get something stolen from you back is EXACTLY like giving someone over to the nazis in WWII.

How stupid are you? It is people like you who make me ashamed of being considered part of the frum community.

Did YOU ever go to besdin to get a financial matter settled? I have, multiple times, and have yet to see an honest besdin or one that understands financial matters. At least not in Boro park, and not in Monsey.

If I ever get disgusted enough with listening to self-righteous, arrogant, hypocritical people to stop being part of the frum community, it will be because of people like you. And I am sure I am not the only one.

I will also point out that I am disappointed by goyim much less often than I am by self-described frum Jews. Goyim will tend to try to be decent more often than not, some anti-semites notwithstanding. Jews will use every stretch of rationalization to justify what they do and criticize what everyone else is doing.

You start by saying “ I'm not sure what this story is about.." and spew your ignorance and sinas chinom anyway. You should really be proud of yourself!

IDIOT!

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 01:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
Anonymous Says:

Yes, going to court to get something stolen from you back is EXACTLY like giving someone over to the nazis in WWII.

How stupid are you? It is people like you who make me ashamed of being considered part of the frum community.

Did YOU ever go to besdin to get a financial matter settled? I have, multiple times, and have yet to see an honest besdin or one that understands financial matters. At least not in Boro park, and not in Monsey.

If I ever get disgusted enough with listening to self-righteous, arrogant, hypocritical people to stop being part of the frum community, it will be because of people like you. And I am sure I am not the only one.

I will also point out that I am disappointed by goyim much less often than I am by self-described frum Jews. Goyim will tend to try to be decent more often than not, some anti-semites notwithstanding. Jews will use every stretch of rationalization to justify what they do and criticize what everyone else is doing.

You start by saying “ I'm not sure what this story is about.." and spew your ignorance and sinas chinom anyway. You should really be proud of yourself!

IDIOT!

Don't let that moron turn you off from the frum community. I am sure he is not the ony one who thinks the way he does, but most of us would not agree with him. The non-Jewish and non-frum worlds aren't that great either. You're just more exposed and attuned to the frum world.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 01:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Cadd9 Says:

Sometimes I wish I had never thrown out my Pink Floyd albums, my Dead concert recordings etc.

Money! It's a crime, share it fairly but don't take a slice of my pieeeeeeee

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 02:00 PM Anonymous Says:

his songs are so inspiring, was it all a fake?

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 02:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Mr M Says:

Is there any point to all our comments?

We should all be crying. For him, for her and especially for his family. We should be heartbroken over this entire sad story.

Especialy at this sad time of the year, let's live up to Bilom's brocho of Mah Tovu Oyholecho Yaakov. Our nation respected each others privacy. Let's not pry into each other's lives.

Let cut down on our loshonh Horah. What goes on in other people's lives is not of our business.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. We should all stop and think for a moment, if it WERE us or one of our family members on the chopping block, would we join the bandwagon in this public bashing and humiliation? How sad it is, that we "join the fun"
when someone's life is crashing down. I do not know the specifics of this case, and each person involved is a rachmonus, but whether he is guilty or unwell should not be up to us to decide, or to discuss.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 03:22 PM formally Says:

beis din is a good option when two yiddin have a legitimate conflict about money. No one is accusing the other of a crime, all agree everybody is honest. It is just a dispute about a contract verbal or otherwise so go to bes din.

However when one is dealing with shady characters, or criminal characters (child molesters) beis din is useless. as we have seen over and over and over

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 03:56 PM reminiscing Says:

its not as bad as the warsaw ghetto or anything so dont compare it; to the singer, the power of prayer will begin when you want it to and dont worry family because 'kol man dovid rachmono ltav ovid' as the singer himself once sung

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 03:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #56  
Anonymous Says:

Thanks for the mareh mokom. lrts all stop buying and listening to songs that were made by kalim vereikim who copy the essence of goyishe music and defile our tiere neshumos.

I agree 100% That there should be a geder to which singers our precious children may be exposed. unfortunatley lipe shmeltzers music and litzunes is very damaging to their spiritual health

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 04:39 PM tyler Says:

i remember that beautiful song he himself composed it on the album' thank you'

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 04:41 PM d know Says:

i agree with 67 good question

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 05:02 PM actual Jew Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

what is th point in posting this story?

really? are you a relative of this goniff? bc that is the only way that a "frum" Jew who is interested in hesed and tzedek would ask such a question. and even then it would be promoting chillul haShem.
this guy is a creep of unimaginable magnitude. this story is up on neo Nazi, Arab and liberal websites throughout the web. it was on gawker.com! are our eyes too precious to read about thieves and bandits in our community?
do you think HaShem will give this dude a pass bc he wears a hat? use some seichol.

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 05:05 PM actual Jew Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

I'm not sure what this story is about however Turning to the Goy for help punishing a fellow jew is like handing over your brother to the Nazis in WWII there's no difference at all. These has become so common amongs us (turning to the court to imprison fellow jew) this is no doubt bringing gods vengeance on us all and no doubt someone will suffer for this regardless of the crime committed.

The Talmud says that if a person is excessively cruel, you should doubt that person's Jewish lineage. I wish that I could find the Gemorrah that says that if someone is excessively stupid or excessively lenient of criminal activity, we should doubt their Jewish lineage as well.
How dare you? Really, how dare you?

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 Jun 30, 2010 at 06:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
formally Says:

you need to make a public apolgy to all the victims of thge Nazis and all the citizens of this great country for your stupid comment..

yes this is no doubt bringing gods vengeance not that she went to court but again frum yiddin excuse stealing.

when did stealing become kosher

Unfortunately stealing like many issurim shel bein udom lachveiro are more like misdemeanors in todays new system. look at what satmar rodney did to the aronim stealing everything.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 12:03 AM Anonymous Says:

"coveted" Torah scroll??? Isn't that breaking one of the Ten Commandments???

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 12:05 AM The Rebbe Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Very sad, I'm not gonna comment because I don't know the details, but one thing is for sure "if she didn't summoned him to Beth Din before, she is an a outright Musir!".
I happened to be involved in a case where a wealthy business man from BP who is supposedly doing "private loans" scammed out $50,000 from some poor individuals and after doing some research they discovered that they are not the first one to get defrauded by this crook, he is a systematic con artist and numerous poor individuals already lost there money with him, all the Botei Dinum and Toianem know about him,
what's the solution? how do you stop this guy?

Once upon a time there was a city called Sedom. In that city, a thief was honored. After all, Nebach, the guy hit hard financial times, he had 11 kids, he had a mental illness so it wasn't really his fault, what he really needs is help and we should all feel sorry for him. The victim in Sedom was punished if she dared to claim what should have been rightfully hers. She's a Moser! How dare she put someone in jail! The poor guy won't get to see his kids! (Who cares if he never saw them anyways because he didn't care about them enough to come home more than twice a year!) Don't you all those alligator tears the guy is crying? He must be very sorry!

The Torah tells us that Sedom was the city of the Frum and righteous and was rewarded for their incredible tzidkus.

No wait! Actually Sedom was destroyed because their ways were so wicked! After reading the post by 10 and some others here I just got confused for a minute.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:03 AM FYI Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

Unfortunately this woman was not looking for her money. She was looking for revenge. The money was only handed over today because she didn't agree to accept it and drop the charges. She thinks that she is doing a "toivo" to her husbands neshomo. Rachmono litslan. May Hashem have mercy on his soul and may He have mercy on us. I really hope that this person will not suffer in prison too much. He still has a family and children. They are definitely not guilty.

Number 4, I don't know where you get your info from. I'm know a bit about this case and I know she didn't take the money earlier because no money was offered! She spent a year and a half begging him to return it and consulting with Rabbonim so she wouldn't have to press charges and he refused to cooperate. Then he disappeared for a year after charges were filed. After he was finally arrested she approved a plea deal that remained on the table until he was convicted under which he would return the money and avoid jail but he arrogantly refused to take the plea. He was absolutely convinced he would get away with this until he was actually locked up. Then when the money was finally offered in an attempt to reduce his sentence it wasn't even his money! It was raised by a bunch of Machers from Willi who consider thieves to be Tzadikim and therefore considered this 'Pidyin Shveeyim.'

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 08:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #68  
Anonymous Says:

I agree with you wholeheartedly. We should all stop and think for a moment, if it WERE us or one of our family members on the chopping block, would we join the bandwagon in this public bashing and humiliation? How sad it is, that we "join the fun"
when someone's life is crashing down. I do not know the specifics of this case, and each person involved is a rachmonus, but whether he is guilty or unwell should not be up to us to decide, or to discuss.

A rachmonis? This is why crooks and worse are so prevelent in the frum community. They know we will feel sorry for him. I feel nothing but anger. Anger at a personage in the Jewish community who took advantage of a woman. Who took advantage of a sick man. Who took advantage of a family that believed in torah. You may talk about the time of year you may talk about going to civil authorites. I will talk of who the victim is. It is not the thief.
To those who talk about the vidtim and comparing her to those who turned Jews into the NAzis. You are either idiots or worse. Perhaps you would be happy if the thief stole all the money she had and left her homeless. Then you could give tseduka and feel frum.
To those who wonder if he was all a fake. This is not the first person who seemed frum who seemed to inspspire people and turned out to be a rasha. May we all be saved from those who are like the singer, may we all grow up and realize what is right and what is wrong.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 10:26 AM Like to stay neural Says:

Reply to #80  
Anonymous Says:

A rachmonis? This is why crooks and worse are so prevelent in the frum community. They know we will feel sorry for him. I feel nothing but anger. Anger at a personage in the Jewish community who took advantage of a woman. Who took advantage of a sick man. Who took advantage of a family that believed in torah. You may talk about the time of year you may talk about going to civil authorites. I will talk of who the victim is. It is not the thief.
To those who talk about the vidtim and comparing her to those who turned Jews into the NAzis. You are either idiots or worse. Perhaps you would be happy if the thief stole all the money she had and left her homeless. Then you could give tseduka and feel frum.
To those who wonder if he was all a fake. This is not the first person who seemed frum who seemed to inspspire people and turned out to be a rasha. May we all be saved from those who are like the singer, may we all grow up and realize what is right and what is wrong.

if you would truly know what you are talking about you would stay quiet, it says sieag l chachma shtieka, so far we have only heard from kanaim for the ladys side , everyone else says not to judge. I would wait to hear something from the other side. otherwise it seems as though you have an agenda to push.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 11:32 AM anonymous Says:

# 81 You haven't heard from the other side because they have nothing to say, besides that "he's mentally ill and didn't know what he was doing". These are the facts. He took the money, and refused to return it.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:24 PM Anonymous Says:

I'm familiar with the case personally. He was given every oppurtunity to pay back the money. But he refused, he also. ingnored Hazmonos from 3 different Batei Din. They got a HETER from BEIS DIN to shlep him to court, and Even in court he refused to pay untill sentencing. HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED. Mabey to little.

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 Jul 05, 2010 at 07:21 AM mordy Says:

#6 it was reb aaron of belz who said that about kwartin tehair reb yismeal

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