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Brooklyn, NY - Latest 'Ticket Trap': Traffic Agents Issuing Tickets At Former Bus Stops

Published on: July 1, 2010 04:20 PM
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Brooklyn, NY - New York City Councilman David Greenfield warned his constituents about the latest “ticket trap” today whereby Traffic Enforcement Agents are issuing tickets at bus stops where buses are no longer running. Despite vigorous opposition by Councilman David Greenfield, the MTA eliminated B23 bus service in Boro Park last week as part of a broader citywide service reduction plan aimed at closing the MTA’s $800 million budget deficit. “It’s bad enough that the MTA has given our community the short-shrift by taking away a vital bus route, but it adds insult to the injury that Traffic Enforcement Agents are issuing tickets at those affected bus stops,” Greenfield explained. “Everybody in the community knows that these bus stops are no longer in use, that’s why they are parking there. Issuing tickets to unsuspecting drivers for blocking an obsolete bus stop is nothing short of outrageous.”

After receiving inquiries from his constituents, Greenfield fired off a letter to NYPD Deputy Chief of Transportation James Tuller, and copied Department of Transportation Commissioner Janette Sadik-Kahn, demanding that Tuller instruct his agents to no longer issue tickets on these routes. “You have testified before me at a City Council hearing that Traffic Enforcement Agents are employed to make our streets safe. As I told you then, I agree with you, however, I believe that sometimes Traffic Enforcement Agents unfairly target motorists. This is one of those times,” wrote Greenfield who serves on the council’s public safety committee.

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“I ask that you immediately issue a memo to all Traffic Enforcement Agents in New York City instructing them not to ticket any motorists at bus stops that are no longer in use. Also, I ask that any tickets issued to drivers since these bus lines have been eliminated be dismissed.” Greenfield concluded the letter by referring Tuller to a website where the full list of eliminated bus lines in New York City is located.

Greenfield has taken the lead on combating unfair parking tickets in New York City. Last month, Greenfield partnered with Councilmembers Vincent Gentile and Peter Vallone, Jr. to introduce legislation that would reduce a significant number of unfair parking summonses by allowing drivers to double park when they are picking up or dropping off passengers, and when waiting for another driver to pull out of a parking space. That legislation now has ten co-sponsors


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 Jul 01, 2010 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Thank You David!!!

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 04:38 PM Anonymous Says:

don't you love our city. They'll probably claim that it's too hard to keep up with changing routes, so if there's still a sign, they'll ticket. And then we'll wait months for the signs to be removed...

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 05:37 PM Joe Says:

Hate parking tickets but his logic is so off, if it is a no standing zone don't park there what the heck does it have to do with bus schedules.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 05:39 PM Aron Says:

I called the DOT yesterday to find out if I can park at the now defunct bus stops. Basically, she told me that the "signage" rules. Meaning, if it has a sign that you can't park, then you can't park. (On the flip side, if there is no proper "signage", even at an actual current bus stop, then you can't get a ticket. Only a hydrant does not require a sign prohibiting parking)

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 05:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

don't you love our city. They'll probably claim that it's too hard to keep up with changing routes, so if there's still a sign, they'll ticket. And then we'll wait months for the signs to be removed...

they can't remove those bus stops without a building permit. Everyone knows with all the sheds that they will have to construct it will take years to take down these bus stops

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:

remove the signs u idiots!!!

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 06:09 PM Anonymous Says:

There are signs by each bus stop that was eliminated saying "This is no longer a bus stop". Maybe the traffic agents can't read english!

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 06:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Why aren't cirizens removing the signs themselves? Oh, I forgot, big brother is watching. Boy am I glad I don't live in NY!

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 06:58 PM Anonymous Says:

These traffic police are the worst group of people ever walked nyc. Thank you bloomberg

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:22 PM Anonymous Says:

By the time they are going to take off the signs these buses will start running again...

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Someone has got to pay for those $10 million bus shelters that they built last year knowing that the b-23 is being eliminated.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:35 PM Jersey Yid Says:

give the guys from Brookly a break, looks like some of them finally figured out how to park by the curb (probably still sticking halfway out into the street)

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 08:04 PM Aron Says:

Reply to #3  
Joe Says:

Hate parking tickets but his logic is so off, if it is a no standing zone don't park there what the heck does it have to do with bus schedules.

Joe, read the story carefully. It's not a "change in schedule". They ELIMiNATED the bus route completely.
BTW, The B-23 was scheduled to be eliminated last year. However, because they just installed new bus shelters along the route and "it would look like bad planning", the MTA delayed implementing the route elimination for a year. (So, we got a year's worth of new bus shelter, and a few more months/years of tickets)

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 08:23 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

There are signs by each bus stop that was eliminated saying "This is no longer a bus stop". Maybe the traffic agents can't read english!

but this is irrelevant! if there is a sign that says "no standing" or "no stopping" it doesnt matter if it is currently a bus stop, was a bus stop yesterday, or was a bus stop 30 years ago, "no standing" means "no standing". I hate the working-on-commision uneducated lazy meter maids just as much as the next person, but no standing is no standing.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 08:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Aron Says:

I called the DOT yesterday to find out if I can park at the now defunct bus stops. Basically, she told me that the "signage" rules. Meaning, if it has a sign that you can't park, then you can't park. (On the flip side, if there is no proper "signage", even at an actual current bus stop, then you can't get a ticket. Only a hydrant does not require a sign prohibiting parking)

This is mentioned-warned by "Gridlock Shmiel" in his weekly column, in this week's News Report - Tzeitung, where, by the way, there is also an intervew by Councilman Brad Lander, where he addresses this atrocity.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 08:54 PM B.P. driver Says:

Reply to #4  
Aron Says:

I called the DOT yesterday to find out if I can park at the now defunct bus stops. Basically, she told me that the "signage" rules. Meaning, if it has a sign that you can't park, then you can't park. (On the flip side, if there is no proper "signage", even at an actual current bus stop, then you can't get a ticket. Only a hydrant does not require a sign prohibiting parking)

This was discussed by "Gridlock Shmiel" in his weekly traffic column this week in the News Report - Tzeitung. This was also blasted by Councilman Brad Lander, who has an interesting interview about his 1st 1/2 year in office.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 10:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

but this is irrelevant! if there is a sign that says "no standing" or "no stopping" it doesnt matter if it is currently a bus stop, was a bus stop yesterday, or was a bus stop 30 years ago, "no standing" means "no standing". I hate the working-on-commision uneducated lazy meter maids just as much as the next person, but no standing is no standing.

The REASON it was No Standing is BECAUSE it was a bus stop!!!!! If the reason for the No Standing no longer exists then there should be no reason for the No Standing any longer!!!! DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU????

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 02:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

but this is irrelevant! if there is a sign that says "no standing" or "no stopping" it doesnt matter if it is currently a bus stop, was a bus stop yesterday, or was a bus stop 30 years ago, "no standing" means "no standing". I hate the working-on-commision uneducated lazy meter maids just as much as the next person, but no standing is no standing.

If you'd live in Brooklyn, you'd appreciate the value of every potential parking spot and understand the ruckus. We need less No Standing Signs, not irrelevant ones.

In the same vein, we expect our streets to get cleaned when there's alternate side parking enforced.

If it's not so, we get mad, because it just proves that all the signs and laws are there for is to raise revenue and make our lives miserable.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 03:26 AM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

but this is irrelevant! if there is a sign that says "no standing" or "no stopping" it doesnt matter if it is currently a bus stop, was a bus stop yesterday, or was a bus stop 30 years ago, "no standing" means "no standing". I hate the working-on-commision uneducated lazy meter maids just as much as the next person, but no standing is no standing.

What purpose does the "no standing" serve? Why shouldn't someone park there? Just because someone decided to put up a sign? Do you think signs can just be put up at random locations for no reason at all, and suddenly it's wrong to park there? What law authorises the sign? Not the law about parking at bus stops, since these aren't bus stops. So which law is it?

Read the article: the commissioner testified UNDER OATH "that Traffic Enforcement Agents are employed to make our streets safe"; now please explain how ticketing people for parking at obsolete bus stops makes anybody safe. Explain what public purpose is served by such tickets.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 05:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

but this is irrelevant! if there is a sign that says "no standing" or "no stopping" it doesnt matter if it is currently a bus stop, was a bus stop yesterday, or was a bus stop 30 years ago, "no standing" means "no standing". I hate the working-on-commision uneducated lazy meter maids just as much as the next person, but no standing is no standing.

Hey read the sign it said "bus stop no standing" then there's a sing by the stop efective june 27 this is no longer a bus stop so the no standing falls away too enough theirs is no parking in brooklyn they finally take away some buses give the parking I'm sure the reson they don't want is because they would like to put meters first so to make sure thaty could always ticket us for somthing
Thanks to the big nut mr. Blumberg looking to rip everyone pocket

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 07:01 AM Anonymous Says:

as was suggested above - the city needs help from the neighborhood to remove the signs. if everyone will just kindly pitch in and remove one or two signs, that should do it. make sure to have cameras rolling when the traffic cops ticket the cars even when there are no signs - and you know they will - because when someone says 'there's no sign', the traffic cop will call for backup and say someone ran over their foot or something stupid like that-- welcome to NY.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 05:22 PM Anonymous Says:

good idea. lets take down the signs and bus stops ourselves. if we all chipped in and we start after shabbos we can have this completed over night.

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 Jul 03, 2010 at 10:53 PM Humble Opinion Says:

An Open Letter to Councilman David Greenfield,

I thank you very much for your valiant effort regarding the eliminated B23 bus stop ticketing trap, but If you're really looking to make a difference and help alleviate the horrendous parking situation your constituents who elected you are facing on a daily basis in a meaningful way, here's my suggestion.

Sponsor a bill to amend the (15) feet no parking rule on each side of a fire hydrant, and amend it to (3) Three feet on each side. (As I was told is the rule in some other states.)

This positive amendment of the current law (in my opinion) will have no adverse effect on fire safety. As (3) Three feet of no parking on each side (6 feet in total) of a fire hydrant, is more than sufficient space for a fireman to access and connect a hose to the fire hydrant.

This courageous but yet simple act on your part, will cause to immediately free up hundreds if not thousands of badly needed parking spaces, thus garnering your constituents debt and gratitude forever, simply put a win win situation for all.

Wishing you the best of luck and hatzlocha in all your endeavors..

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 Jul 14, 2010 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Mr.Greenfield,
Good move....secure your votes ...blame traffic agents!!
Please ...NYPD Police Officers should get the same trainning as Traffic Enforcement Agents... they are the ones writing tickets from left to right after the Traffic Agents issued summonses in NYC...Also when you are reviewing the summonses take into consideration that hand written tickets are from NYPD Police Officers..
Traffic Enforcement tickets are computerized. Then address your letters to the correct Dept. ... ONLY PO get the credit for everything!! What about traffic agents that are also helping people in New York City. That doesn't count RIGHT Mr. Greenfield.
Not to mentioned that they are the one bringing the money to the city.. so your salary could be paid...Thank you

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