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Coney Island, NY - There was anger in Brooklyn on Thursday over Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s solution to the community’s fight against free concerts at a local park.

The mayor has suggested two synagogues adjust worship services to accommodate the events.

Bloomberg probably thought he was displaying the Wisdom of Solomon.

“Maybe they could adjust their services slightly earlier. We just have to start being a little more tolerant of each other,” Bloomberg said.

But members of two Brighton Beach synagogues—Temple Beth Abraham and Sea Breeze Jewish Center – were furious at the suggestion from our Jewish mayor that they deviate from Jewish practice and start evening services before sundown.

“I’m flabbergasted that a man of such stature, a philanthropist, supposedly a caring man can ask us to take our religion and practically just dish it out. I mean get rid of it,” said Sea Breeze president Mendy Sontag. “He should be ashamed of himself. He’s supposedly Jewish, too?”

Al Turk, the vice president of Temple Beth Abraham, was already upset about plans to turn Asser Levy Park across the street from the synagogue into a big concert space for 8,000 people.

“What really gets me mad and angry is that the politicians are doing each other favors and violating New York City law by doing an end run,” Turk said.

Saying the new concert space will disrupt services and create traffic and noise headaches, the residents sued the city to invoke the 500-foot law: No concerts 500 feet from any house of worship.

“‘Disrespect’ is a mild word. I am completely disillusioned with our politicians who can so callously tread upon our beliefs,” Turk said.

Mayor Bloomberg did an end run around the community. They sued, but before the judge ruled the mayor broke the indoor world record for legislative achievement. He got the City Council to introduce a bill and pass it in five days. The bill circumvents the 500-foot rule.

“The issue here is that there is a park with a band shell and a lot of people would like to go there and hear music, and there’s another group that says, well, it’s going to bother them. Keep in mind it’s not at a time when most religious organizations – even orthodox Jewish organizations – hold services. And we all have to be somewhat accommodative of each other,” Bloomberg said.

The end result is the summer concert series sponsored by Brooklyn Borough President Marty Markowitz will go on and so will the court suits.

Bloomberg is scheduled to sign the bill into law on July 12. The summer concert series is scheduled to start July 15 with Neil Sedaka and Brenda Lee.


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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Thats what a lot of us have been suggesting....move up the start time for mincha/maariv a bit earlier so the davening is over before the concert starts. For a change, the mayor has a practical solution to a problem.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi bloomberg!! Maybe the oppesite?.. Maybe the concert should be adjusted to accommodate warship services?..

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Come on , we are fighting the wrong war . The services last at the most 15 minutes, so how much would the worshipers suffer .Where is the goodwill ?

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:49 PM reba Says:

Maybe we should pray on Sunday mornings instead of Friday night/Sat. to better accommodate the needs of the society? How about ending Anti Semitism with mass baptism also???

I forgot that was tried once in Vienna and look at what a nightmare it grew into.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 07:49 PM Doresh el HaMeisim Says:

That's what you get when you vote for politicians on the basis of shelling out entitlements, in the end you get only tsuris.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 08:17 PM Shame on Mike Says:

Shame on Mike. His grandfather was a Rabbi and he has gone over to the other side. Let them have loud concerts at night with giant crowds, near his residence on the upper east side.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 08:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi bloomberg!! Maybe the oppesite?.. Maybe the concert should be adjusted to accommodate warship services?..

Please, no warships here :)

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 08:53 PM Anonymous Says:

These Synagogues are playing with fire. Their snobby attitude will only backfire for future political protection and accommodation of Jewish communities in the 5 boroughs. These Brighton Beach synagogues are not even Charedi. The temple can pray Maariv in the morning and Shachris at night---it is a conservative temple after all. So changing the schedule for 20 minute praying sessions should not be turned into a political noise because you will lose anyway. Markowitz and Bloomberg understand the Jewish aspect to the situation and both know that it's not a big deal for the synagogues to change their timing. It's not like Bloomberg told them to eat pork ribs on Yom Kippur. Changing the schedule for praying is not a big deal. Everyone wins like that, but you can't tell 8000 people that they can't have their concert at all because 50 Chosen Ones have to pray for 20 minutes and gossip in shul afterwards.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 09:05 PM Anonymous Says:

what are the facts ?? what time are the concerts , how loud in the shul with the windows closed & ac on/ how many people at the shul...-

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 09:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi bloomberg!! Maybe the oppesite?.. Maybe the concert should be adjusted to accommodate warship services?..

No. There are 8000 people at the concert and at most 20-30 at the evening minyan. The few who are davening will have to accomodate the much larger number of the concert attendees. Thats reality. Otherwise, go daven in BP or WB.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 09:19 PM Yaakov Says:

I agree with the Mayor, every frum shul puts up with some crap sometimes. Wow its going to be to noisy for them, I'm so sorry. Stop crying you sound like a psych, in a psych ward. Who is banging his head against a brick wall.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 09:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Please, no warships here :)

What about artillery ?

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 09:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Markowitz , Bloomberg on one side, and the Jews on the other .

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 09:47 PM olam hafooch ra'iti Says:

The concerts should change THEIR shedules to accomodate the shuls!!!
Not vice versa!

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 10:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Your kidding right? What came first the chicken or the egg?

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 10:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

These Synagogues are playing with fire. Their snobby attitude will only backfire for future political protection and accommodation of Jewish communities in the 5 boroughs. These Brighton Beach synagogues are not even Charedi. The temple can pray Maariv in the morning and Shachris at night---it is a conservative temple after all. So changing the schedule for 20 minute praying sessions should not be turned into a political noise because you will lose anyway. Markowitz and Bloomberg understand the Jewish aspect to the situation and both know that it's not a big deal for the synagogues to change their timing. It's not like Bloomberg told them to eat pork ribs on Yom Kippur. Changing the schedule for praying is not a big deal. Everyone wins like that, but you can't tell 8000 people that they can't have their concert at all because 50 Chosen Ones have to pray for 20 minutes and gossip in shul afterwards.

Yes, you can. I strongly disagree with you. This respect of religion is part of what makes this country so great.

This country respects faith. Period. If a faith dictates that prayers are to be optimally performed during a certain time, then they may do so. I don't know the rules here, but doing an end-run around the law (once again, after doing so for term limits) really leaves a bad taste in one's mouth, as this is rather undemocratic and tasteless.

It doesn't matter if the shul(s) do[es]n't keep every mitzva. If they choose to keep even one, then that one should be respected.

From what it seems this $64M boondongle and the accompanying overriding of prior laws, is simply dirty and disgusting politics as usual.

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 10:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

These Synagogues are playing with fire. Their snobby attitude will only backfire for future political protection and accommodation of Jewish communities in the 5 boroughs. These Brighton Beach synagogues are not even Charedi. The temple can pray Maariv in the morning and Shachris at night---it is a conservative temple after all. So changing the schedule for 20 minute praying sessions should not be turned into a political noise because you will lose anyway. Markowitz and Bloomberg understand the Jewish aspect to the situation and both know that it's not a big deal for the synagogues to change their timing. It's not like Bloomberg told them to eat pork ribs on Yom Kippur. Changing the schedule for praying is not a big deal. Everyone wins like that, but you can't tell 8000 people that they can't have their concert at all because 50 Chosen Ones have to pray for 20 minutes and gossip in shul afterwards.

Actually, one is a conservative shul and one is orthodox. You are a disgrace - a shul is a shul and for those of you telling them to go to Boro Park, how disgusting! I live in Brighton Beach and have seen yiddishkeit slowly die here and to see the people posting here say we aren't even considered religious?? The Rabbis here have worked very hard to bring in Russian immigrants and many have become frum as a result. The question is not the concerts, the shuls have NEVER fought the concerts before, it is Marty's plan to build a 8000 seat arena in the area that we are all fighting. There is simply no room for it here, and MCU park is just a 10 minute walk away!

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 11:19 PM jack Says:

What the difference when one of our shuls are making partys and weddings at night and when the neighbors complain they become anti samits

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 11:26 PM iish emmes says Says:

put the whole shul in jail for two weeks as per judge levy in Immanuel!

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 Jul 01, 2010 at 11:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

No. There are 8000 people at the concert and at most 20-30 at the evening minyan. The few who are davening will have to accomodate the much larger number of the concert attendees. Thats reality. Otherwise, go daven in BP or WB.

Some orthodox jews insist that it be dark before they daven maariv so it may not be possible to move up the time of the services to before the concerts

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 12:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

Actually, one is a conservative shul and one is orthodox. You are a disgrace - a shul is a shul and for those of you telling them to go to Boro Park, how disgusting! I live in Brighton Beach and have seen yiddishkeit slowly die here and to see the people posting here say we aren't even considered religious?? The Rabbis here have worked very hard to bring in Russian immigrants and many have become frum as a result. The question is not the concerts, the shuls have NEVER fought the concerts before, it is Marty's plan to build a 8000 seat arena in the area that we are all fighting. There is simply no room for it here, and MCU park is just a 10 minute walk away!

Don't get too upset with poster #8, he's obviously charedi and doesn't think anyone else is even Jewish, much less frum. You can't argue with a moron like that.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 12:26 AM will anybody listen?? Says:

the media is fudging the report. nobody in coney island objects to the concerts. they don't coincide with davening. we object to marty's ugly potato chip monstrosity. we don't want it period. end. dot. we dont want an ugly potato chip in our back yards. don't the people have a say anymore??

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 12:28 AM Loshon Hora Says:

Tell Markowitz & Bloomberg they should know that no concerts in der drei Vochen & sure not the nine days.
Are concert tickets free, or is Markowitz making money using a public facility, annoying neighbours & worshipers?
All government is corrupt, power corupts absolute power absolutly corrupts.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 01:27 AM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

Actually, one is a conservative shul and one is orthodox. You are a disgrace - a shul is a shul and for those of you telling them to go to Boro Park, how disgusting! I live in Brighton Beach and have seen yiddishkeit slowly die here and to see the people posting here say we aren't even considered religious?? The Rabbis here have worked very hard to bring in Russian immigrants and many have become frum as a result. The question is not the concerts, the shuls have NEVER fought the concerts before, it is Marty's plan to build a 8000 seat arena in the area that we are all fighting. There is simply no room for it here, and MCU park is just a 10 minute walk away!

Well said.

And what is there to keep politicians from putting an 8000 seat arena in Boro Park?

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 01:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Thank you Bloomey and now that you have told us how to run our religion we will tell you how to run the city:

CUT TAXES & SHUT YOUR BIG FAT MOUTH!

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 02:10 AM Anonymous Says:

This is exactly what he did with term limits. If you don't like the law, have "his" council people change it. And if the people disagree, screw them.

The issue here is not if the synagogue can or cannot be more flexible, the issue is since when is cultural expression more important than religious tolerance. Bloomberg and is his ilk, sadly Jewish, worship culture like the Hellenists. Remember them?

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 03:06 AM joe Says:

Reply to #4  
reba Says:

Maybe we should pray on Sunday mornings instead of Friday night/Sat. to better accommodate the needs of the society? How about ending Anti Semitism with mass baptism also???

I forgot that was tried once in Vienna and look at what a nightmare it grew into.

Wth reba . ? You dont think for the thousands who want to hear a free city concert they should maybe daven in a different shul for one night? Comparing it ti to baptism? Are you sane or are you kidding?

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 05:08 AM Anonymous Says:

I am somewhat surprised that the Sea Breeze Jewish center is not utilizing the wonderful oppurtunity it has, to try and attract through mivtzoim some new members.
As one who lives in a small town,we wish there were eight thousand noisy people outside our doors. As jews we must look with a good eye, we must ask ourselves when
there are hundreds of jews outside my door how can I help them observe a mitzva or two.I am not following when the concert is,but even if it were on a Fri night the center should have a quick make a kiddush and have some challah event.Any other night of the week goes without saying.
Af vos hot min dir geshikt in Brighton........ her uf mit di misnagdishe tnuos

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 07:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Bloomy and Marty wouldn't dare tell a church to move the timing of their services. End of story. Its amazing how these two assimilated Jews will tell us when and how to daven. Maybe the raabah ordained these clowns as dayanim...

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 07:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

These Synagogues are playing with fire. Their snobby attitude will only backfire for future political protection and accommodation of Jewish communities in the 5 boroughs. These Brighton Beach synagogues are not even Charedi. The temple can pray Maariv in the morning and Shachris at night---it is a conservative temple after all. So changing the schedule for 20 minute praying sessions should not be turned into a political noise because you will lose anyway. Markowitz and Bloomberg understand the Jewish aspect to the situation and both know that it's not a big deal for the synagogues to change their timing. It's not like Bloomberg told them to eat pork ribs on Yom Kippur. Changing the schedule for praying is not a big deal. Everyone wins like that, but you can't tell 8000 people that they can't have their concert at all because 50 Chosen Ones have to pray for 20 minutes and gossip in shul afterwards.

for your information, Sea Breeze Jewish Center is an orthodox synagogue & has been one for over 40 years. My grandparents were members there.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 08:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
jack Says:

What the difference when one of our shuls are making partys and weddings at night and when the neighbors complain they become anti samits

the deference is one is in an enclosed space while the other is opened air for all to hear. and yes you can hear cvblocks away by the way great shows and yes i go sometimes the problem is markowitz wants to change from a park setting to a real out door theater and increase the sound and yes it is right across from two shuls and surrounded by apaprtmant buildings

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 09:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

I am somewhat surprised that the Sea Breeze Jewish center is not utilizing the wonderful oppurtunity it has, to try and attract through mivtzoim some new members.
As one who lives in a small town,we wish there were eight thousand noisy people outside our doors. As jews we must look with a good eye, we must ask ourselves when
there are hundreds of jews outside my door how can I help them observe a mitzva or two.I am not following when the concert is,but even if it were on a Fri night the center should have a quick make a kiddush and have some challah event.Any other night of the week goes without saying.
Af vos hot min dir geshikt in Brighton........ her uf mit di misnagdishe tnuos

I am not a Lubavitcher Chosid! however you inspired me. You switched on something in my Neshama I r

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 09:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

These Synagogues are playing with fire. Their snobby attitude will only backfire for future political protection and accommodation of Jewish communities in the 5 boroughs. These Brighton Beach synagogues are not even Charedi. The temple can pray Maariv in the morning and Shachris at night---it is a conservative temple after all. So changing the schedule for 20 minute praying sessions should not be turned into a political noise because you will lose anyway. Markowitz and Bloomberg understand the Jewish aspect to the situation and both know that it's not a big deal for the synagogues to change their timing. It's not like Bloomberg told them to eat pork ribs on Yom Kippur. Changing the schedule for praying is not a big deal. Everyone wins like that, but you can't tell 8000 people that they can't have their concert at all because 50 Chosen Ones have to pray for 20 minutes and gossip in shul afterwards.

I hope and pray that YOU personally will be the next to have some lousy situation right in front of YOUR house.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 09:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

These Synagogues are playing with fire. Their snobby attitude will only backfire for future political protection and accommodation of Jewish communities in the 5 boroughs. These Brighton Beach synagogues are not even Charedi. The temple can pray Maariv in the morning and Shachris at night---it is a conservative temple after all. So changing the schedule for 20 minute praying sessions should not be turned into a political noise because you will lose anyway. Markowitz and Bloomberg understand the Jewish aspect to the situation and both know that it's not a big deal for the synagogues to change their timing. It's not like Bloomberg told them to eat pork ribs on Yom Kippur. Changing the schedule for praying is not a big deal. Everyone wins like that, but you can't tell 8000 people that they can't have their concert at all because 50 Chosen Ones have to pray for 20 minutes and gossip in shul afterwards.

It's not 50 Chosen Ones as you call them that are against the new amphitheater it's 50,000 people that live in the area. There is no parking for 8,000 cars, maybe they should park in front of your house.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 09:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

These Synagogues are playing with fire. Their snobby attitude will only backfire for future political protection and accommodation of Jewish communities in the 5 boroughs. These Brighton Beach synagogues are not even Charedi. The temple can pray Maariv in the morning and Shachris at night---it is a conservative temple after all. So changing the schedule for 20 minute praying sessions should not be turned into a political noise because you will lose anyway. Markowitz and Bloomberg understand the Jewish aspect to the situation and both know that it's not a big deal for the synagogues to change their timing. It's not like Bloomberg told them to eat pork ribs on Yom Kippur. Changing the schedule for praying is not a big deal. Everyone wins like that, but you can't tell 8000 people that they can't have their concert at all because 50 Chosen Ones have to pray for 20 minutes and gossip in shul afterwards.

If the concert were to take [place from 9:30 to 11:30 on Sunday mornings, everyone would by sympatetic to a church. BUt l'havdil because it's a shul, nobody cares - not even the supposedly Jewish mayor.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 09:50 AM Torah Truth Says:

I have a feeling that this has much less to do with Davening (after all one seems to be a reform “Temple”, how many people are davening Maariv or even care what time they daven), and much more to do with traffic. The issue of services are being used as an excuse for an aged population that just doesn’t want the traffic and the noise.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 01:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Torah Truth Says:

I have a feeling that this has much less to do with Davening (after all one seems to be a reform “Temple”, how many people are davening Maariv or even care what time they daven), and much more to do with traffic. The issue of services are being used as an excuse for an aged population that just doesn’t want the traffic and the noise.

You are a liar, how dare you call yourself truth. There is no reform Temple in the area. Unless you live here, shut up and keep out of it.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 03:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Torah Truth Says:

I have a feeling that this has much less to do with Davening (after all one seems to be a reform “Temple”, how many people are davening Maariv or even care what time they daven), and much more to do with traffic. The issue of services are being used as an excuse for an aged population that just doesn’t want the traffic and the noise.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

A) Neither shul is reform.
B) There are thousands of young residents there that are against the amphitheater.
C) All year long the Sea Breeze Shul is very strict about the zman.
D) You are a fool.

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 03:36 PM Anonymous Says:

The mayor is going to adjust the sun!! He will tell the sun to stop and go at his whim!! He thinks he is the almighty powerful person. He wants us to adjust our davening to suit him!! Well!! TOUGH!!!!!!

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 03:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Markowitz & Bloomberg (M&B) have a lot in common. They are both men of short stature, who have Napoleon complexes. Also, both of them don't know the first thing about Yiddishkeit. I guarantee all of you, that if a Black church was in the area, with an identical complaint that the two Shul's have, both Bloomberg and Markowitz wouldn't dared have criticized the protestors. Both M&B don't know that there are certain times of davening that cannot be changed. Also, it is a violation of the New York State Penal Code to disrupt a religious service. In the community where I live, a number of years ago, the local July 4th parade was on Shabbos, and it passed right by our Shul. It was very noisy, and it was hard to concentrate on davening with all of the noise. However, this year, because July 4th is on a Sunday (which is the goyish day of rest), several communities in my area have opted to have the parade either on Saturday or Monday. May M&B lose this battle!

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 Jul 02, 2010 at 04:41 PM Would Marty the bum and Mike make blasting concerts near churches on Sundays at worship time? Says:

Of course not. But they think they can ride roughshod over the Jewish synagiogues.

Down with Marty and Mike, a bunch of G-dless, liberal Jews.

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 Jul 05, 2010 at 11:18 PM LJ Says:

Why don't you also listen how stupid your comments are. The reason this whole thing started was becasue this residential communtiry signed 13,000 petitions against the ampitheater. In that process is when the two Synogoues found out about the 500 foot rule. Let me tell you nobody is trying to stop the concerts, but we are trying stop this ridiculous ampitheatre this is not jones Beach where there are no eresidents nearby. Alos be aware that both your Mayor and Boro President are Jews and are mocking the two synagogues let alone ask king them to chnage the hours of worship. The Mayore belongs to Temple Emanuel in NYC, would they change ours to suit the Mayor??? The answer is no. Religion si a faih just as Catholicism has rules and Muslims have rules and any other religion. Nothing is changed because a greedy Boro President and Mayor who got himself into this situation are both not real Jews they just hold the faith I am Jewish. it is time for all of you toread the papes catrefully and understand what you are saying and writing.

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