“ these people are not orthodox they are chassidic btw no matter how much they deny it they are neturei karta and hate Israel ”

“ Apparently the JTA couldn't ignore such a massive demonstration, but they also coulnt take themselves to write the real number which was estimated by police as close to 5,000 protesters. In this weather, and whch meant atleast 8 hours of travel (both ways). ”

“ great demonstration. Tell the goyim that Jews are not Israeli's and vice versa. Sorry, the world doesn't see it that way. Chilul Hashem doesn't begin to describe this demonstartion. They should all be........ ”

“ Wow!! Such a huge oilum standing in oven like temperatures, unbelievable! ”

“ when the misnachlim and chabad protested against rabin and sharon, nobody complaint its a chilul hashem. I remember thay even had big posters "nazi traitor" in front of the sheraton when sharon visited after gush katif soon u will see all "ma yufisniks" complaining against satmar. hipocrits ”

“ great demonstration. Tell the goyim that Jews are not Israeli's and vice versa. Sorry, the world doesn't see it that way. Chilul Hashem doesn't begin to describe this demonstartion. They should all be........ ”

“ what a kidish h"shem ”

“ Wow!! Such a huge oilum standing in oven like temperatures, unbelievable! ”

“ Apparently the JTA couldn't ignore such a massive demonstration, but they also coulnt take themselves to write the real number which was estimated by police as close to 5,000 protesters. In this weather, and whch meant atleast 8 hours of travel (both ways). ”

“ Shame on u !!! Thay or the holy port from klall yisroel its a shame someone can say so!!! We got a say for the worl once & again the israly government have nothing with us orthodox jews dosn't have anything with the all bad think what the israly government has been doing & this protest was a big big kidush hasham ”

“ Kudos to Satmar and CRC for doing what the Torah requires and demands from you, not looking at what the seculars, Zionists and torah haters have to say or blog about it.
Keep up the great work, it will bring us closer to moshiach. ”

“ great demonstration. Tell the goyim that Jews are not Israeli's and vice versa. Sorry, the world doesn't see it that way. Chilul Hashem doesn't begin to describe this demonstartion. They should all be........ ”

“ One things for sure they weren't beaten with clubs and run down with horses and throw in jail like they do in Israel. Just something to think about! ”

“ Can you please explain in simple terms what's the difference when misnachlim make protest against the president for gush katif and other important matters?. Why no name calling there? The answer is. Most people can't swallow that true torah is still alive and kicking. We came out in the sweltering heat , some small business closed shop for the day. We had no personal gains from this. In a way mesiras nefesh for g-ds torah , which most zionists have unfortunately abandoned. Shame on yo for mocking such a holy event!. G-d is proud of his small enclave of Jews that are sticking to his torah with mesiras nefesh! ”

“ One things for sure they weren't beaten with clubs and run down with horses and throw in jail like they do in Israel. Just something to think about! ”

“ Based on the photos and comments from others who were there, its clear that there may have been 1000-1500 attendees so where to you get 5,000. No police agency in washington gives out any numbers for these demonstrations (and they haven't done so in over 15 years to avoid the politics of numbers games, so you are obviously lying when you attribute this number to police). Whatever the number, the real affect was anyone who walked by was laughing at these chevrah who were screaming in yiddish (with one speaker in English) and who were indistinguishable from the netuah karta guys. ”

“ I’m sorry to say that your point of view and illiteracy is a big big Chillul HaShem! ”

“ I' m a simple jew. Not Hasidic affiliated. I'm proud of how well behaved they walked, stopped for cars & busses appropriately, were dressed neatly & behaved nicely. .Imagine how strongly they feel to be out in this weather to do what they feel is the right thing to do. Desecrating graves in NOT acceptable. With tears I listened to them pray. I do hope this has an effect on decisions made." Haddassah how long" was already a quote when I was a young child. The protest was peaceful not like in Israel where if you say what they don't want to hear, they hurt you. May Hashem bring us the Redemption speedily in our days. ”

“ The leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah are smiling. ”

“ If Satmar was behind this I will boycott all of their businesses. ”

“ Its a shreklicha chilul hashem....."v'hu rachim ychaper uvoin" ”

“ U don't see the difference?
Chabad demonstrates for the survival of the state and the Jewish people. Satmar/NK demonstrates for the demise of the state (and automatically the Jews living in the state). ”

“ Perhaps you can share your insight on what exactly is considered Kidush Hashem in your book? I have a strong feeling that you got it all mixed up. I heard someone once say after the Yankees won a game he goes "it was a real Kidush Hashem".. ”

“ If you would behave the way the protesters in Israel behave you would not only be beaten you would be jailed andm prosecuted. ”

“ U don't see the difference?
Chabad demonstrates for the survival of the state and the Jewish people. Satmar/NK demonstrates for the demise of the state (and automatically the Jews living in the state). ”

“ U don't have to be sorry no one cares what u say and no one asked for ur opinion so don't be so sorry :) ”

“ I’m sorry to say that your point of view and illiteracy is a big big Chillul HaShem! ”

“ If Satmar was behind this I will boycott all of their businesses. ”

“ Its a shreklicha chilul hashem....."v'hu rachim ychaper uvoin" ”

“ these people are not orthodox they are chassidic btw no matter how much they deny it they are neturei karta and hate Israel ”

“ My friend, I have no doubt whatsoever that you and all your friends that participated in this demonstration believe that you are doing a righteous act. Now, take a step back for a second and see how the rest of the world views your action. The world sees Jews protesting a “Jewish State”. The rest of the world see you calling for the demise of that state. A State for better or for worse has millions of Jews living in it. A State that has hundreds of thousands of of B’nei Torah and yes Satmar Chasidim living in it. A State that if Chas V’Chalilah it should fall would cause untold death and destruction to not only the millions of Jews living there but to the millions around the world. Open your eyes now during the 3 weeks! We are not debating if the State should have been created, it is here, now what would you like to do? THINK! ”

“ One things for sure they weren't beaten with clubs and run down with horses and throw in jail like they do in Israel. Just something to think about! ”

“ If Satmar was behind this I will boycott all of their businesses. ”

“ Based on the photos and comments from others who were there, its clear that there may have been 1000-1500 attendees so where to you get 5,000. No police agency in washington gives out any numbers for these demonstrations (and they haven't done so in over 15 years to avoid the politics of numbers games, so you are obviously lying when you attribute this number to police). Whatever the number, the real affect was anyone who walked by was laughing at these chevrah who were screaming in yiddish (with one speaker in English) and who were indistinguishable from the netuah karta guys. ”

“ Based on the photos and comments from others who were there, its clear that there may have been 1000-1500 attendees so where to you get 5,000. No police agency in washington gives out any numbers for these demonstrations (and they haven't done so in over 15 years to avoid the politics of numbers games, so you are obviously lying when you attribute this number to police). Whatever the number, the real affect was anyone who walked by was laughing at these chevrah who were screaming in yiddish (with one speaker in English) and who were indistinguishable from the netuah karta guys. ”

“ The leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah are smiling. ”

“ As I see here from the secular and Jew hater comments all I can say is, "yesterdays protest hit them where it hurts!", the faker Zuionists faces are being unmasked, their ongoing police brutality is being announced to the world, their lack of respect for deceased and ancient graves is being protested on the streets of US, until those Israeli thugs will start behaving "atleast" like the umos ho'oilum. ”

“ Yes, the temperature will give them a taste of what they will receive for the Chillul HaShem and for putting millions in Sakanah… the rest of the worls doesn’t see their “Lumdisha” distinction, they only see Sinas Yisrael. be proud. ”

“ One things for sure they weren't beaten with clubs and run down with horses and throw in jail like they do in Israel. Just something to think about! ”

“ If you would behave the way the protesters in Israel behave you would not only be beaten you would be jailed andm prosecuted. ”

“ Yes, the temperature will give them a taste of what they will receive for the Chillul HaShem and for putting millions in Sakanah… the rest of the worls doesn’t see their “Lumdisha” distinction, they only see Sinas Yisrael. be proud. ”

“ don't these folks have jobs??? ”

“ My friend, I have no doubt whatsoever that you and all your friends that participated in this demonstration believe that you are doing a righteous act. Now, take a step back for a second and see how the rest of the world views your action. The world sees Jews protesting a “Jewish State”. The rest of the world see you calling for the demise of that state. A State for better or for worse has millions of Jews living in it. A State that has hundreds of thousands of of B’nei Torah and yes Satmar Chasidim living in it. A State that if Chas V’Chalilah it should fall would cause untold death and destruction to not only the millions of Jews living there but to the millions around the world. Open your eyes now during the 3 weeks! We are not debating if the State should have been created, it is here, now what would you like to do? THINK! ”

“ So I and my brother's all over the world are responsible for the actions of the State of Israel who make decisions without the Torah?

Let them all know Israel and Jews are to separate entities. Who agree on some issues but can demonstrate on other's ”

“ My friend, I have no doubt whatsoever that you and all your friends that participated in this demonstration believe that you are doing a righteous act. Now, take a step back for a second and see how the rest of the world views your action. The world sees Jews protesting a “Jewish State”. The rest of the world see you calling for the demise of that state. A State for better or for worse has millions of Jews living in it. A State that has hundreds of thousands of of B’nei Torah and yes Satmar Chasidim living in it. A State that if Chas V’Chalilah it should fall would cause untold death and destruction to not only the millions of Jews living there but to the millions around the world. Open your eyes now during the 3 weeks! We are not debating if the State should have been created, it is here, now what would you like to do? THINK! ”

“ Based on the photos and comments from others who were there, its clear that there may have been 1000-1500 attendees so where to you get 5,000. No police agency in washington gives out any numbers for these demonstrations (and they haven't done so in over 15 years to avoid the politics of numbers games, so you are obviously lying when you attribute this number to police). Whatever the number, the real affect was anyone who walked by was laughing at these chevrah who were screaming in yiddish (with one speaker in English) and who were indistinguishable from the netuah karta guys. ”

“ demise of the state does not mean demise of the Jewish people. Satmar people love all Yidden. They are protesting the desecration of gravesites. All you anti Satmar people, I suppose you don't care if one day your graves will be overturned. ”

“ Shame on u !!! Thay or the holy port from klall yisroel its a shame someone can say so!!! We got a say for the worl once & again the israly government have nothing with us orthodox jews dosn't have anything with the all bad think what the israly government has been doing & this protest was a big big kidush hasham ”

“ To all zionist defenders; don't be mixed up with the term "jews", a jew is one who keeps torah umitzvos, one who doesn't keep torah may be of "jewish decent", but can't call himself jew, and can't claim to represent jews. ”

“ I' m a simple jew. Not Hasidic affiliated. I'm proud of how well behaved they walked, stopped for cars & busses appropriately, were dressed neatly & behaved nicely. .Imagine how strongly they feel to be out in this weather to do what they feel is the right thing to do. Desecrating graves in NOT acceptable. With tears I listened to them pray. I do hope this has an effect on decisions made." Haddassah how long" was already a quote when I was a young child. The protest was peaceful not like in Israel where if you say what they don't want to hear, they hurt you. May Hashem bring us the Redemption speedily in our days. ”

“ Not that its going to hurt them at all but once your at it - don't use hatzolah, bikor cholem, tomchei shabbos, chaverim, shomrim, masbia, RCCS, the Minyan on the way to the country, JTA ....... and all the other services they umbrella ”

“ To all zionist defenders; don't be mixed up with the term "jews", a jew is one who keeps torah umitzvos, one who doesn't keep torah may be of "jewish decent", but can't call himself jew, and can't claim to represent jews. ”

“ U don't have to be sorry no one cares what u say and no one asked for ur opinion so don't be so sorry :) ”

“ To all zionist defenders; don't be mixed up with the term "jews", a jew is one who keeps torah umitzvos, one who doesn't keep torah may be of "jewish decent", but can't call himself jew, and can't claim to represent jews. ”

“ It is very simple. Look in the Rambam Hilchos Yisodei Hatorah for a definition of Chillul HaSHem. Your probably never learned anything outside of V’Yoel Moshe but try a little Ramabm for starters. A Chillul HaShem is anything the reduces K’vod Shomayim. When someone lends support to people who are trying to KILL innocent Jewish men, women and children, secular, and B’nei Torah, Chassidim and Misnagdim and Litvish and Sefardi… That my friend is a Chillul HaShem that only Missah is Michaper for. The greatest failings of our people were perpetuated by people who honestly felt they were doing what was right in HaShem’s eyes… I’m afraid to say that this is no different. HaShem Yirachem. ”

“ To all zionist defenders; don't be mixed up with the term "jews", a jew is one who keeps torah umitzvos, one who doesn't keep torah may be of "jewish decent", but can't call himself jew, and can't claim to represent jews. ”

“ what a kidish h"shem ”

“ To all zionist defenders; don't be mixed up with the term "jews", a jew is one who keeps torah umitzvos, one who doesn't keep torah may be of "jewish decent", but can't call himself jew, and can't claim to represent jews. ”

“ Perhaps you can share your insight on what exactly is considered Kidush Hashem in your book? I have a strong feeling that you got it all mixed up. I heard someone once say after the Yankees won a game he goes "it was a real Kidush Hashem".. ”

“ In order to free Gilad Shalit you don't have to abandon Torah and mitzvos, you don't have to dig up graves 2,000 years old and up, and you don't have to crack heads of demonstrators.
You can protest against the evil Israeli government, and work and pray for the release of Shalit. ”

“ these people are not orthodox they are chassidic btw no matter how much they deny it they are neturei karta and hate Israel ”

“ what makes them fervently orthodox?
if somebody would report an abuser to the DA they are labeled a moser
please explain to me, how this is not the biggest possible mesira
"Do as I say,not as I Do" ”

“ These people are not even Satmar!
Here's what the Satmar Rav wrote:
השי"ת ירחם שיתעקר מלכות הזדון במהרה ע"י אליהו ומלך המשיח , ולא ע"י האומות ח"ו דאם ניתן רשות למשחית אינו מבחין

1) Now these fools are implicitly calling for the demise of the State. They are not however making the distinction that the Satmar Rebbe made. Thus, they are not Satmar.

2) Most onlookers see this demonstration as a wholesale attack on the State, not on one particular policy of the State. Such demonstrations give fodder for שונאי ישראל. Right now, the Jews in Israel (and elsewhere) are in peril. But these people don't care- they're priority is alleged grave desecration. They don't care about the troubles of their fellow Jews, and they don't participate in their pain or campaigns to improve their lot. All this while their fellow Jews work tirelessly to defend the image of their brothers in Israel. And what does the Halacha have to say about people who abandon their brothers in time of need?

משנה תורה: הלכות תשובה, ג:כ
הפורש מדרכי ציבור: אף על פי שלא עבר עבירות, אלא נבדל מעדת ישראל ואינו עושה מצוות בכללן ולא נכנס בצרתן ולא מתענה בתעניתן ... וכאילו אינו מהן--אין לו חלק לעולם הבא ”

“ So you would rather have them dig up your grave? ”

“ Do a search on google or Lexis/Nexis and see if any major news organization gave this so-called "demonstration" any coverage other than the jewish press....maybe if Satmer ever did somthing constructive for EY they might get some attention. Otherwise, they will be ignored ”

“ To all zionist defenders; don't be mixed up with the term "jews", a jew is one who keeps torah umitzvos, one who doesn't keep torah may be of "jewish decent", but can't call himself jew, and can't claim to represent jews. ”

“ The real chillul Hashem comes from having a purely secular government in the State of Israel perport itself to represent us Torah True Jews. They are the reason for all our misfortune. There should have been 100000 people demonstrating there ”

“ This is such a chillul Hashem!! The Niturei Karta and those people are such heretics and should be excommunicated from the Jewish faith, these aren't Yidin!!! They deny the Holocaust and should be completely obliterated! ”

“ if they place my bones somewhere else nicely and it benefits the living I would consider that a honor and a blessing that I still give back to humanity even when dead ”

“ This is such a chillul Hashem!! The Niturei Karta and those people are such heretics and should be excommunicated from the Jewish faith, these aren't Yidin!!! They deny the Holocaust and should be completely obliterated! ”

“ Im not Chasidish but tears are coming to my eyes to see such Mesiraas Nefesh for Yideshkiet!! What a Kiddush Hashem!! May Hashem be with them!! I wish I would have the great fortune to be a part of them!!!! ”

“ CHILLUL HASHEM DURING THE 3 WEEKS!

we need eretz yisroel and we need america to see we are altogether beachdus!

if they were right there would be all frum yidden ”

“ To all zionist defenders; don't be mixed up with the term "jews", a jew is one who keeps torah umitzvos, one who doesn't keep torah may be of "jewish decent", but can't call himself jew, and can't claim to represent jews. ”

“ Ok satmar so no Jewish state means Hamas state try to think about making any protest against them they'll behead you all . ”

“ #36 torah truth, the gedolim of the previous generation were well aware of what you're saying, and they still ordered many protests open to the outside world, and todays gedolim and tzadikim that ordered yesterdays protest are also well aware of your concern, thus they still ordered this highly successful protest.
One good idea to avoid such shame and pain for Israel in he future is, they should cease their ugly activities including digging up one cemetery after another, and persecuting frum jews in general. They are the ones bringing this shame upon themselves. ”

“ don't these folks have jobs??? ”

“ So , you think we should let it slide? , let the kevorim be ripped out?,my freind there is no other choice. We tried with all other means , ie political intervention etc. ”

“ I am starting a Boycott of Crc prodcts and Kj meat let all the people that care about Israel show satmar they have to stop there hatred of Israel ”

“ Not that I agree with a boycott of satmar businesses but really, almost ALL of us contribute heavily to hatzolah, bikor cholem, tomchei shabbos, etc. and most of us are not satmar so let's get off our high horse, shall we? ”

“ if they place my bones somewhere else nicely and it benefits the living I would consider that a honor and a blessing that I still give back to humanity even when dead ”

“ you seem to be a bit comfused between satmar and netura karta. satmar never called for the destruction of israel rather the satmar rebbe, the v'yoel moshe, always said that we should be mispalel for moshiach and only he would be mevatel the state of israel. likewise, satmar never advised the israely government if they should go to war or shouldn't, if they should give up teritory or not. when they protest they try to point out to the world that the state was created against the torah and they don't represtent frum yidden ”

“ i love you israel!!! and bibi, you're doing a great job, keep up the great work! ignore the ignoramuses. ”

“ To all zionist defenders; don't be mixed up with the term "jews", a jew is one who keeps torah umitzvos, one who doesn't keep torah may be of "jewish decent", but can't call himself jew, and can't claim to represent jews. ”

“ and when zionists desecrate graves that reduces Kvod Shomayim. and when the rest of us ignore it & don't protest against that chilul Hashem, that reduces Kvod Shomayim even more... ”

“ if they place my bones somewhere else nicely and it benefits the living I would consider that a honor and a blessing that I still give back to humanity even when dead ”

“ "which cheder did you go to" that was the answer that the previous Lubavitch Rebbe gave to someone in the year 1949. He wrote to the Rebbe from eretz yisroel complaining that he cannot tolerate the reshoim living in eretz yisroel and he despises them. The Rebbe said as above which cheder did you goo to that taught you to hate another Yid. The gmara and seforim is full and overflowing with words like "af al pi shechata yisroel hu". Hashem says they are my children and you cannot say bad about them. the entire sefer of Yeshaya Hanavi is to rectify his saying one thing bad of bnai yisroel.
Do yourself a favor and incorporate the words of the Mizritcher Maggid to his valued talmid the Rebbe Reb Meilech from Lzensk, into your lexicon and consciousness.
The Maggid said to Reb Melech "Listen Melech what is being said in mesifta drakiya", "ahavas Yisroel is to love a total rosha to the same degree as one loves a total tzaddik!" ”

“ "which cheder did you go to" that was the answer that the previous Lubavitch Rebbe gave to someone in the year 1949. He wrote to the Rebbe from eretz yisroel complaining that he cannot tolerate the reshoim living in eretz yisroel and he despises them. The Rebbe said as above which cheder did you goo to that taught you to hate another Yid. The gmara and seforim is full and overflowing with words like "af al pi shechata yisroel hu". Hashem says they are my children and you cannot say bad about them. the entire sefer of Yeshaya Hanavi is to rectify his saying one thing bad of bnai yisroel.
Do yourself a favor and incorporate the words of the Mizritcher Maggid to his valued talmid the Rebbe Reb Meilech from Lzensk, into your lexicon and consciousness.
The Maggid said to Reb Melech "Listen Melech what is being said in mesifta drakiya", "ahavas Yisroel is to love a total rosha to the same degree as one loves a total tzaddik!" ”

“ that's silly you obviously don't understand the problem ”

“ Please post your halachic sources that this is permissible ”

“ for all of those who can't understand how one jew protests against others please answer the following: Why don' t you have a problem with all these comments bashing the satmars when they do something you beleive is wrong? ”

“ the problem is there is no alternative meat and chicken maybe empire. find me franks and burgers that are not satmar. when it comes to fressing satmarers are the experts. you can buy hebrew national franks 8 franks 1.99 tastes much better but ull be put in cherem. ”

“ for all of those who can't understand how one jew protests against others please answer the following: Why don' t you have a problem with all these comments bashing the satmars when they do something you beleive is wrong? ”

“ You are missing the point. The world does not see all the Chilukim that I’m sure you believe. The world sees one thing. People dressed like Frum Yidden sidding with our enemies. That is all they see. That is why the Iran propagandists distribute videos of these foolish people that go to Iran and call for Israel’s destruction. That is why the haters of Kllal Yisrael flood the internet with the videos of these protests. They don’t care or understand that most of you are calling for the fall of a secular government and not the fall of Ertez Yisrael. Don’t you get it? You are being used as a tool to bring a Chrurban C”V tp Kllal Yisrael. Now you can sleep at night patting yourself on the back that you are a modern day Pinchas standing up for Kvod Shomayim, but I’m sorry to say that if you think about it long and hard you will see just the opposite is true. ”

“ Because they behaved! They didn't light garbage cans on fire, they didn't attack the police. If they had behaved the way the chareidem do in Israel they would have been beaten with clubs and dragged to jail too. At least the chareidem here in the USA have a little more respect for the police and know how to behave....or maybe they're just more scared of the goyim than of the Israelis. ”

“ wrong! wrong! wrong!
satmar isn't calling for the fall of secular government. we leave it up to hashem to decide what should happen and we don't ask any nation to tell jews what to do.
we only want the world to know that we don't recognize the state of israel as our representetive and we shouldn't be held accountable for their acts. ”

“ Im not Chasidish but tears are coming to my eyes to see such Mesiraas Nefesh for Yideshkiet!! What a Kiddush Hashem!! May Hashem be with them!! I wish I would have the great fortune to be a part of them!!!! ”

“ The Niturei Karta DOES NOT DENY THE HOLOCAUST do not lie about them. I do not agree with them at all but do not make up stories ”

“ for all of those who can't understand how one jew protests against others please answer the following: Why don' t you have a problem with all these comments bashing the satmars when they do something you beleive is wrong? ”

“ Those thousands of protesters did obey the call of close to 30 gedoilim and prominent rabbonim who called this mass demonstration, all those bashing and mocking the protest are just internet bloggers voicing their own opinion that's totally irrelevant when compared to the "daas torah" that called for and ordered this protest. ”

“ I'm a Lubavitcher chossid and I love Satmars .... I may disagree ... but we agree 99.999% percent of the time!

No one should bash Satmars! The Lubavitcher Rebbe said Moshiach would come in a meritorious way because of the Satmar Rebbe, the Katzenellenbogen and himself... ”

“ What's the big Kiddush Hashem. They got a away from their wife and kids for the day. I assure you they were not in mourning on the bus ride. I'm sure there was plenty of lekach mit bronfan. It would be nice to see at least the same "mesiras nefesh" and concern for living people too - like Gilad Schalit. They probably don't even know who he is. ”

“ wrong! wrong! wrong!
satmar isn't calling for the fall of secular government. we leave it up to hashem to decide what should happen and we don't ask any nation to tell jews what to do.
we only want the world to know that we don't recognize the state of israel as our representetive and we shouldn't be held accountable for their acts. ”

“ Uhhh, what part of what I said was "wrong, wrong wrong"? The bottom line is not the Lumdus of what you are doing, It is how it is preceived. That is the definition of Chillul HaShem. You may be right and you may have a good argument but how you present it and how pwoplw see it is what counts. And what the Goyim see is only one thing.... Jews do not support Israel. They translate that to mean Jews want to see Israel destroyed. They don't see your spliting hairs of "we leave it up to Hashem, we are only saying they don;t represent us", To them it is all the same. That is why they use there videos on their websites. You are giving comfort to the enemy. ”

“ Formally; per se you are right the NK doesn’t deny the holocaust existence, but the fact is that during the convention which dealt exclusively with denying the holocaust, the NK aligned themselves with Ahmadinejad,. Where they diverged from the Iranian position, was only that the NK say the God brought on the holocaust because of Zionism, and the Iranian say the claim that six million Jews were killed by the Nazis was expectorated by the Jews to take advantage and get a new homeland. So yes there might be a difference in their views, but to the uninformed person when they see on the TV the story from Iran, it is all the same. Therefore, it should not be considered an exaggeration to say they have the same position as Ahmadinejad. Although the diverge on some points. ”

“ "A Jew, although he sins, is still a Jew" (Sanhedrin 44a)
"Even the sinners of Israel are full of mitzvos like a pomegranate."(Sanhedrin 37a) ”

“ You should read "Em Ha banim Smachim" by Rav Teichtel written while he was hoping to hide from the Germans. In the end he too perished but not before he did "tshuva" and admitted that because he was against the Zionist state, and encouraged his followers to remain in Hungary, they died a terrible death, when in fact they might have been saved. You are a fool and those who demondstrate against Israel are also fools and G-d have mercy on you and their souls. ”

“ Please name one recognizable Gadol by name. ”

“ You should read "Em Ha banim Smachim" by Rav Teichtel written while he was hoping to hide from the Germans. In the end he too perished but not before he did "tshuva" and admitted that because he was against the Zionist state, and encouraged his followers to remain in Hungary, they died a terrible death, when in fact they might have been saved. You are a fool and those who demondstrate against Israel are also fools and G-d have mercy on you and their souls. ”

“ The leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah are smiling. ”

“ This week's Torah parsha states a MITZVAH D'ORAISA in BAMIDBAR 33:53 of "Take possession of the land and settle there". See Ramban to BAMIDBAR 33:53 & Pischei Tshuva 75:6, Shulchan Aruch Evan HaEzer.

Amazingly, "KANOYIM" in CHUTZ L'ARETZ protested against Jews who have been MOSER NEFESH to settle Eretz Yisrael ! In truth the KANOYIM deny any Jewish right to Eretz Yisrael, and they deny any MITZVAH to settle the land, while screaming "Tsiyonim Apikorsim". These protests encourage Obama to further oppress the Jews of Eretz Yisrael !

In Sanhedrin 102b we learn: "Why did Omri merit kingship (in Eretz Yisrael)? Because he added on a city to Eretz Yisrael." Omri was one of the most wicked kings, far worse than the so-called "Tsiyonim". By fulfilling the MITZVAH of YISHUV ERETZ YISRAEL, Omri merited to rule over Eretz Yisrael.

Netanyahu, a “Tsiyoni” Jew, was MOSER NEFESH for Eretz Yisrael, and therefore merits to rule over it. The screaming anti-Zionists will remain in their beloved CHUTZ LA'ARETZ, having accomplished nothing from their protests, while Netanyahu will return to Eretz Yisrael to rule over it.

(For an authentic Torah view, Google the SEFER "Eim HaBanim Smeicha") ”

“ what you say is true they are idiots, it is just facts are facts and the person stated it as a fact not what it looks like feels like and what people think.

PS It is not only the NK who said the holocaust was because of the Zionist is was the satmar Rebbie himself who espoused that. And hated them so much he could not utter a good word about them even thought the Zionist train saved him from the gass chambers.

A thank you would have been in order ”

“ An English translation of the sefer you are referring to can be read on the Internet.

Google "Eim HaBanim Smeicha".

This incredible sefer by a true European Gadol (who died in the Holocaust), contains a treasure of halacha and hashkafa re: Eretz Yisrael and the Geulah. This sefer is not commonly discussed in Chareidi circles as it delivers a devastating rebuke to pre-war anti-Zionist rabbis. The sefer accuses these rabbis of committing the "chet ha m'raglim", and thus bearing some responsibility for the deaths of the European Jews. The sefer also decisively proves, using a multitude of Torah sources, the errors of the current anti-Zionist Kanoyim.

Numerous times I have confronted the anti-Zionist Kanoyim with the powerful proofs of the Eim HaBanim Smeicha, derived from Chumash, Navi, Chazal, Rishonim, Achronim, Kabbalah, etc., and I have yet to hear a valid rebuttal from these Kanoyim! ”

“ My friend, I have no doubt whatsoever that you and all your friends that participated in this demonstration believe that you are doing a righteous act. Now, take a step back for a second and see how the rest of the world views your action. The world sees Jews protesting a “Jewish State”. The rest of the world see you calling for the demise of that state. A State for better or for worse has millions of Jews living in it. A State that has hundreds of thousands of of B’nei Torah and yes Satmar Chasidim living in it. A State that if Chas V’Chalilah it should fall would cause untold death and destruction to not only the millions of Jews living there but to the millions around the world. Open your eyes now during the 3 weeks! We are not debating if the State should have been created, it is here, now what would you like to do? THINK! ”

“ Its a shreklicha chilul hashem....."v'hu rachim ychaper uvoin" ”

“ It's very interesting to see that all the supporters of these sickos have not cited one Halacha or piece of Torah. I challenge all the supporters of this protest to cite a clear, unambiguous quotation from the Satmar Rav that calls for such public protests in times when the Jews in Israel are in distress. Anything else is heresy.

Furthermore, I challenge them to prove that (1) The graves are in fact Jewish (2) The protesters have gotten endorsement from the wider Orthodox rabbinical leadership to represent Torah Jewry (3) Those involve in the dig are Zionists, and not merely Israelis (4) public protests are a valid method of rebuke according to classic Halachic sources (Gemara, Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, Poskim etc...) . If you can't, you're an ignoramus or a heretic. ”

“ To those that quoted aim habanim semeicha its a well known fact that most of his descendants will tell you so that horav teichtal was always a kanui. ain udom nitfas al tsaro he was promised by the zionists and guaranteed to be saved if he writes a book to support their cause which he did. therefore its not fair to embarass him for something he did while trying to save himself. ”

“ i'm sure if something can be done for gilad schalit satmar would be the first to support it. look at the rubashkin case how satmar came fowart to save a jew who was unbeknown to 99% of satmar ”

“ Chevra, listen up:

Whatever you think of the protesters, or of Satmar, or of the State of Israel, or of Zionism, or pro-Israel Orthodox groups... or wherever you stand on this issue... it all boils down to one simple question: Why are Jewish graves being uprooted in a Jewish State? ”

“ Upon reading all comments one gets a feeling that the participants in this protest had certain personal kavanos besides the advertised and publicized official theme. some how they cant hide their inner thoughts that they were trying to convince themselves and others that the PARTY they chose to affiliate themselves with is LARG(er) more POWERFUlL more SUCCESSFULl etc. etc. now if this indeed the case how do you expect to accomplish anything? its all just simple selfish egoistic deeds. having nothing to do with hashem or his torah umitzvos. ”

“ I don't know if they can name every zionist or every chayal or prisoner of war, but they do know whenever some yid no matter Modern or litvish, frum or not they will make sure he gets warm meals in the hospital every day, they provide transportation to hospitals and cover doctors bills, yes "those Satmars".. ”

“ I am poster #72, I'm here to clarify my words.
Of course when a secular zionist, even if he is a real jew hater like many of them (and as its obvious on this forum and especially in this post..),if he decides to do teshuva (like many do), he can just start in one split second to become a baal teshuva, because he is still called a jew, versus a non jew who wants to become an observant jew he has to go thru a full conversion process.
On the other hand, a secular jew has most halachos as a goy! This is what the torah says, if he touches wine, its ossur to drink it! (Stam yainom, yayin nesech), he is not exceptable as eidis, his food can't be trusted as kosher, in fact the gemora and shulchan oruch state that a "yisroel chushud" is sometimes worse than a non yid when it comes to kashrus!
And my point was, that the Israeli government which is being led by secular torah haters and real sonei yisroel have no right to talk in the name of religious observant jews. Period. ”

“ wrong! a jew is anyone with a jewish mother. a fellow jew who is not frum is still a jew. and he represents judaism, whether you like it or not. and going out in public to demonstrate your disagreements with your fellow jews is two of the greatest aveiros of all, sinas chinum and chillul hashem. so now that puts you on even ground with the zioinists, you are both sinners. oh, actually, it doesn't put you on even ground. at least the zionists are not trying to sell you out to the goyim, which you are doing to them. ”

“ Your words are the truth.

I am also against the digging and whatever else the Zionists are doing against the Torah.

But this demonstration in FRONT OF THE GOYIM can c"v boomerang. The results can be devostating!

Hashem yishmor. Our constant fighting has caused the churban Beis Hamikdosh. This is totaly not a kiddush Hashem in the least bit.

Brother fighting brother can only lead to a terrible scenario, Hashem yishmor. ”

“ demise of the state does not mean demise of the Jewish people. Satmar people love all Yidden. They are protesting the desecration of gravesites. All you anti Satmar people, I suppose you don't care if one day your graves will be overturned. ”

“ >>I don't know if they can name every zionist or every chayal or prisoner of war, but they do know whenever some yid no matter Modern or litvish, frum or not they will make sure he gets warm meals in the hospital every day, they provide transportation to hospitals and cover doctors bills, yes "those Satmars".. ”

“ Chevra, listen up:

Whatever you think of the protesters, or of Satmar, or of the State of Israel, or of Zionism, or pro-Israel Orthodox groups... or wherever you stand on this issue... it all boils down to one simple question: Why are Jewish graves being uprooted in a Jewish State? ”

“ U don't see the difference?
Chabad demonstrates for the survival of the state and the Jewish people. Satmar/NK demonstrates for the demise of the state (and automatically the Jews living in the state). ”

“ #164, the kol korah was printed and posted all over New York, you can find it if u want, but I guess you're only looking for names so you can mock them..
They are big enough gedolim that thousands of yidden were persuaded to undertake this hard and lengthy journey to Washington DC. ”

“ Seems like what's to you recognizable is not to us, what's to us recognizable is not to you. an example of our recognizable gedolim is: Harav Weiss Yerishuleimer Ruv, Reb Yechezkel Roth, Kashoer Ruv, Harav Friedman Dayan of Satmar, need more? ”

“ It is very simple. Look in the Rambam Hilchos Yisodei Hatorah for a definition of Chillul HaSHem. Your probably never learned anything outside of V’Yoel Moshe but try a little Ramabm for starters. A Chillul HaShem is anything the reduces K’vod Shomayim. When someone lends support to people who are trying to KILL innocent Jewish men, women and children, secular, and B’nei Torah, Chassidim and Misnagdim and Litvish and Sefardi… That my friend is a Chillul HaShem that only Missah is Michaper for. The greatest failings of our people were perpetuated by people who honestly felt they were doing what was right in HaShem’s eyes… I’m afraid to say that this is no different. HaShem Yirachem. ”

“ I don't talk for the n"k I will talk sbout satmar. This what you say that satmar is protesting for the end of the state of isreal isn't true. Satmar was protesting for digging the holy graves. For not leaving our gedoilim in peace. ”

“ I am starting a Boycott of Crc prodcts and Kj meat let all the people that care about Israel show satmar they have to stop there hatred of Israel ”

“ they make money off this campaign against israel, so how can you call it mesiera? its business, dummy! ”

“ if the israely goverment represent jews we can argue but thats for sue that "CRC DOESNT REPRESENT MORE THEN THIS COUPLE OF TOUSAND FRAAKS AND FOR SURE NOT 250000 JEWS" hashem should help you to be zoiche to tshiva shleima ”

“ Sir, you make it sound like all the Gedolim approve of this public display. That is simply not true. In fact I don;t know of a single Gadol that approved this demonstration. True there are Gedolim from this generation and prevoious that certainly did not support Zionism but the overwhelming majority then and now opposed a public demonstration here in America, including Rav Breuer (no Zionsist), Rav Moshe (no Zionist), all the Rebbes (except perhaps for Satmar) and certainly all the Roshei Yeshiva. This has nothing to do with ideology, this is a question of if your actions put Kllal Yisrael in Sakanah. The answer is yes. Please tell me a single Gadol that approved this demonstration (besides Stamar and I'm not sure they approved it either). ”

“ We are guided by only one thing... the Torah Hakidosha. I have never seen anywhere in Shas or Poskim that digging up graves is Yehrog Vaal Yaavor. When you put peoples lives in danger by siding with our enemies, as you are doing with this public anti-Israel display, make no doubt about it, you have taken an anti-Torah approach. It makes no difference if you are correct on the underlying issue or not, you are causing Retzicha. If you can find a source anywhere in Chazal that Retzicha or even Sofek Retzicha is permitted to prevent the digging up of graves (espesially wuestionable Jewish ones), then by all means go ahead. Until then you should re-think your actions. ”

“ if this is satmar- and there are those who think what they did is wrong and a chillul Hashem- why not join me in efforts to have all kosher supermarkets BOYCOTT all satmar owned products and hashgachas
the campaign begins today
we are guilty for standing by and letting them get away with this ”

“ satmer is dead in my eyes. ”

“ While I know that I am poster # 120+ to this forum, and maybe nobody will read it, I will say it anyway.

It seems that everyone is very self centered. Those who were there, or support the cause, think it was the greatest kiddush hashem. Why? Because the police didn't beat them up, and of course the heat (?). It's like every chosson and kallah the day after their wedding they think that this chasunah was the greatest chasunah in the history of the USA. While everyone else just nods and says "big deal! You've seen one wedding, you've seem em all". Anyone who doesn't associate themselves with Satmer, and all they know of, is useless demonstrations (zero was accomplished by all this money), just to make a statement seems rediculous and wasteful just to get yourselves in the news. As someone whose sole connection with Satmer chassidim is when they come knocking at my door for a donation, I think that these people just waste their time bad mouthing other Jews. And that, my friend, is by all accounts a chillul Hashem.

Let them preach what they want in private, in public we are "one nation, one people"! ”

“ And I thought Satmar changed. They may be guter and erlicher but they make a HUGE CHILLUL HASHEM. A total turn off for achdus and to Yiddishkeit. They are NOT mainstream yet MIshpocha magazine and Ha Modia continue writing about them and indirectly supporting them. To the frumer media I say enough!!! Let Satmar know that their tactics are UNACCEPTABLE to mainstream Judaisim and they should not receive any acknowledgment until they change their ways. ”

“ I don't think that there are any crc products in your local walmart or pathmark........ Nothing to worry about ”

“ Please explain yourself! Retzicha? Sakunas nefushas? Are you tired???? ”

“ Satmar is entitled to their shita, and to practice it atleast as all pro secular and pro zionist are entitled to their shita, so plwase stop forcing your minds on the Satmar followers, rather pray.. ”

“ "Ok, now that you finished studying (glimpsing) "Eim Habanim Smeicha" can you study the "V'yoel Moshe" (not glimpse) and compare?"

I'm not that familiar with EHS, but I have studies parts of VYM- concentrating on the Three Oaths. The VYM is very problematic, and I've noted two major problems:
1) VYM widely defines עליה בחומה to include any large group immigrating peacefully into Israel, even with the permission, endorsement, or compulsion by the nations. This is a very big chiddush that you won't find in the commentaries. How does VYM do it? By conflation. He (without evidence) refers to the poshut pshat of Rashi as opaque. He then searches for the same words Rashi uses and finds them in other contexts. In those other contexts, the words have a different meaning but he plugs the foreign meaning back into the gemara in Kesubos to get the pshat he wants. In doing so, he half quotes a gemara in Yoma, and completely ignores the Rashi there which confirms the poshut pshat of Rashi and would refute his own pshat! All this when the poshut pshat is confirmed by many other meforshim.
...to be continued ”

“ "which cheder did you go to" that was the answer that the previous Lubavitch Rebbe gave to someone in the year 1949. He wrote to the Rebbe from eretz yisroel complaining that he cannot tolerate the reshoim living in eretz yisroel and he despises them. The Rebbe said as above which cheder did you goo to that taught you to hate another Yid. The gmara and seforim is full and overflowing with words like "af al pi shechata yisroel hu". Hashem says they are my children and you cannot say bad about them. the entire sefer of Yeshaya Hanavi is to rectify his saying one thing bad of bnai yisroel.
Do yourself a favor and incorporate the words of the Mizritcher Maggid to his valued talmid the Rebbe Reb Meilech from Lzensk, into your lexicon and consciousness.
The Maggid said to Reb Melech "Listen Melech what is being said in mesifta drakiya", "ahavas Yisroel is to love a total rosha to the same degree as one loves a total tzaddik!" ”

“ "We have gotten endorsement from the wider orthodox none-zionist rabbinical leadership"

Name one of them. You've got to deal with the Rambam and the Chazon Ish (and no doubt others.)

"how much ink needs to be spilled... to prove ...that public protest is a valid method?"
How about one citation?

"As for your argument as a whole, why do you have to go to Satmar to find ignoramus people, you can find them in your community"
My argument as a whole is summed up by the following: (1) There is no halachic justification for such protests. (2) The Satmar Rav limited anti-Zionist actvism to prayer. My argument does depend on the ignorance of others. Don't set up a straw man. Quote halacha.

For starters, here's the Rambam (דעות ו:ט)
המוכיח את חברו--בין בדברים שבינו לבינו, בין בדברים שבינו לבין המקום--צריך להוכיחו בינו לבין עצמו, וידבר לו בנחת ובלשון רכה, ויודיעו שאינו אומר לו אלא לטובתו ולהביאו לחיי העולם הבא
And here's what the Chazon Ish (YD 2:28) had to say:
ובהג"מ פ"ו מהלכות דעות כתב דאין רשאין לשנאתו אלא אחר שאינו מקבל תוכחה ובסוף ספר אבהת חסד כתב בשם הגר"י מולין דמצוה לאהוב את רשעים מה"ט והביא כן מחשובת מהר"מ לובלין כי אצלנו הוא קדם תוכחה שאין אנו יודעים להוכיח ”

“ "Ok, now that you finished studying (glimpsing) "Eim Habanim Smeicha" can you study the "V'yoel Moshe" (not glimpse) and compare?"

I'm not that familiar with EHS, but I have studies parts of VYM- concentrating on the Three Oaths. The VYM is very problematic, and I've noted two major problems:
1) VYM widely defines עליה בחומה to include any large group immigrating peacefully into Israel, even with the permission, endorsement, or compulsion by the nations. This is a very big chiddush that you won't find in the commentaries. How does VYM do it? By conflation. He (without evidence) refers to the poshut pshat of Rashi as opaque. He then searches for the same words Rashi uses and finds them in other contexts. In those other contexts, the words have a different meaning but he plugs the foreign meaning back into the gemara in Kesubos to get the pshat he wants. In doing so, he half quotes a gemara in Yoma, and completely ignores the Rashi there which confirms the poshut pshat of Rashi and would refute his own pshat! All this when the poshut pshat is confirmed by many other meforshim.
...to be continued ”

“ "We have gotten endorsement from the wider orthodox none-zionist rabbinical leadership"

Name one of them. You've got to deal with the Rambam and the Chazon Ish (and no doubt others.)

"how much ink needs to be spilled... to prove ...that public protest is a valid method?"
How about one citation?

"As for your argument as a whole, why do you have to go to Satmar to find ignoramus people, you can find them in your community"
My argument as a whole is summed up by the following: (1) There is no halachic justification for such protests. (2) The Satmar Rav limited anti-Zionist actvism to prayer. My argument does depend on the ignorance of others. Don't set up a straw man. Quote halacha.

For starters, here's the Rambam (דעות ו:ט)
המוכיח את חברו--בין בדברים שבינו לבינו, בין בדברים שבינו לבין המקום--צריך להוכיחו בינו לבין עצמו, וידבר לו בנחת ובלשון רכה, ויודיעו שאינו אומר לו אלא לטובתו ולהביאו לחיי העולם הבא
And here's what the Chazon Ish (YD 2:28) had to say:
ובהג"מ פ"ו מהלכות דעות כתב דאין רשאין לשנאתו אלא אחר שאינו מקבל תוכחה ובסוף ספר אבהת חסד כתב בשם הגר"י מולין דמצוה לאהוב את רשעים מה"ט והביא כן מחשובת מהר"מ לובלין כי אצלנו הוא קדם תוכחה שאין אנו יודעים להוכיח ”

“ "You claim that satmar ruv limited anti-zionist activism to prayers, hu?? haven't you seen the videos of protest he him self took part in, I have given you a hint where to find halachic justification, as Satamar Ruv himself explains it, there and in Vyoel Moshe."
I'm aware of the demonstrations that took place shortly before the Satmarer left us. I don't know how much say the eldery gaon had in that manner. Given that these protests had occurred so late in his life, and that they did not occur (AFAIK) in the 40's,50's or 60's, I suspect he may have not been the force behind them. Also note that he didn't protest when Hubert Humphrey emphasized his support for the Zionist State when he was campaigning in Willy B. in 1968. I'm not aware of protests having occurred while he was in the best of health. I have read the Satmarer (quoted in the multi-volume מתורתו של רבינו) where he states unequivalently, that the only thing we can do about Zionism is to daven for משיח. Finally, the situation was different. Israel was not in the same danger then as it is today. ”

“ "You claim that satmar ruv limited anti-zionist activism to prayers, hu?? haven't you seen the videos of protest he him self took part in, I have given you a hint where to find halachic justification, as Satamar Ruv himself explains it, there and in Vyoel Moshe."
I'm aware of the demonstrations that took place shortly before the Satmarer left us. I don't know how much say the eldery gaon had in that manner. Given that these protests had occurred so late in his life, and that they did not occur (AFAIK) in the 40's,50's or 60's, I suspect he may have not been the force behind them. Also note that he didn't protest when Hubert Humphrey emphasized his support for the Zionist State when he was campaigning in Willy B. in 1968. I'm not aware of protests having occurred while he was in the best of health. I have read the Satmarer (quoted in the multi-volume מתורתו של רבינו) where he states unequivalently, that the only thing we can do about Zionism is to daven for משיח. Finally, the situation was different. Israel was not in the same danger then as it is today. ”

“ What? do you really think we are going out in the streets of Washington to be מוכיח the zionist goverment? Look my Satmar friends, how naive and silly the people you are arguing with here are! Let me bring you the news, we are going out on the streets because we have a "war" with Apikorsim, they want to destroy anything and everything that has to do with g-d, tchiyas hamaisim, Emuna, and our brothers in Eretz Yisroel, we will "not" let that happen, they would have killed our brothers in Israel if not we in the US are publicizing their actions.

In the next post i'm going to bring you one short memri from the Chufetz Chaim, and with this my discussion with you is over. no one needs to explain why 10x10 is 100, so no one should be required to bring in a VIN Comment section prove that standing up for brutality, for desecration of graves has halachic justification. ”

“ "Your whole response is total BS, you don't mention one thing "specific"...

Be honest. My response was no doubt concise in the extreme. But it was no means BS. Check out what the meforshim say about עליה בחומה and the source posuk in שיר השירים. Check out Rashi, MeHarsha, Torah Temimah and the Etz Yosef on עין יעקב. Rashi says "יחד ביד חזקה". Rashi is talking about a mass armed invasion, and the meforshim concur. But VYM does not accept the simple pshat and goes on to develop his own novel understanding. How? By using an elastic definition of "יד חזקה" based on the meaning of the term in other contexts. He refers to a gemara in Yoma, but the citation is a half quote. Rashi in Yoma 9B clearly is consistent with Rashi is Kesuvos- and there he clearly takes a position against the VYM. It's the same position (the one disputed by the VYM) that the VYM is compelled to attribute to the Rambam in order to explain why the Mishneh Torah does not (explicitly) include the שלש שבועות.
It's all there in the VYM and the meforshim mentioned above. Check it up, then criticize. ”