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Two people were seriously injured in a traffic accident when haredi rioters pushed a trash bin onto a Jerusalem highway, into which the motorcyclist and his passenger collided
Jerusalem - The haredi leadership is considering a significant reduction in or complete prohibition against holding protests after a trash bin shoved onto Route 1 during a Jerusalem demonstration seriously injured a motorcyclist and his passenger.
Following the road accident Wednesday, criticism against the rallies within the haredi community has increased, especially since extremist elements in the Eda Haredit commit acts of vandalism and violence during them.
Businessmen within the community are also concerned by the lack of control over what goes on during the rallies. Among other things, efforts are being made to hold an emergency meeting between the businessmen and police representatives in order to discuss the situation.
Two people were seriously injured in a traffic accident when haredi rioters pushed a trash bin onto a Jerusalem highway, into which the motorcyclist and his passenger collided.
More than 200 haredim rioted in protest against the ongoing construction in Jaffa which they claim is desecrating graves on the site. During the demonstration, they clashed with police and threw stones at them.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 10:18 PM frum but normal Says:Report as Inappropriate
it is high time for the authorities to take their kid gloves off,and start treating these ignorant savages like the gangsters that they are.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 10:20 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This has to stop. Instead of protesting they should learn Torah or work. Most of these hooligans are young uneducated males who are just bored. Where are their leaders? They are causing a Chilul Hashem and turn off most fair minded Yidden.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 10:25 PM glatekup Says:Report as Inappropriate
Too little, too late.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 10:30 PM I told you so Says:Report as Inappropriate
This so didnt have to happen. It didnt have to come to this.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 10:39 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Surprised nothing happened till now.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 10:42 PM Eli Says:Report as Inappropriate
Finally they acting up. We all see the pictures of the protest in Jerusalem the last few years, these people behave like thugs in Harlem. Protesting peacefully vs rioting with violence or damaging property are two different things.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Its about time they decided to stop the thugs from their criminal ways. They are not allowed to do such disgraceful things just because they are called chareidi. Frum people should show the world how to act like mentchin instead of thugs. Some people have a notion that because I'm religious and doing it in the name of religion, its a mitzva. Just wait till they find out that they so called mitzvos were nothing more than pure damage and are punished for their wild acts.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 10:56 PM its about time Says:Report as Inappropriate
Its about time they make it ossur to hold these demonstrations. Probably happened because they got hurt where it hurts most. i.e. finances. My guess is that some business people finally took a stand and stopped funding their moisdois until they stop the demonstrations. chillul Hashem won't stop them because they are fundamentalist and are beyond such intangible imaginary considerations. but when their funding is stopped then they wake up and smell the coffee.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 11:14 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ it is high time for the authorities to take their kid gloves off,and start treating these ignorant savages like the gangsters that they are. ”
Ok. I understand your argument and assume that you have mercy for the victims - so do I. Do you have a plan how to stop those thugs from digging out the Kivrei Tzadikim? Imagine these Kevurim arre those of the IDF or a US marine.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 11:15 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is insane. What happens, G-d forbid, if someone dies next time? Even if a thug wears a black hat, he's still a thug!
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Jul 10, 2010 at 11:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I'm with you and have rachmunes for the victims. Let me ask you, do you a solution to the thugs of the other side, namely those you throw out the remains of our holy? Imagine doing the same to an IDF or fallen US marine's garve!
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Jul 10, 2010 at 11:24 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
When will they stop digging out ancient kevorim?. I agree this violence has to be controlled. But when will the Israeli authorities start listening / having dialogue with the chareidi communities? Until now, this was the ONLY way the authorities listened. It goes both ways.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 11:30 PM Dr. E Says:Report as Inappropriate
The title of the piece "Charedi Leadership Considering a Reduction in Protests after Accident" is quite ironic. Because if there was any real Chareidi leadership, then there never would be such protests, whose only outcomes have been Chillul Hashem and Baal Tashchis, and now obviously personal injury.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 11:48 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ When will they stop digging out ancient kevorim?. I agree this violence has to be controlled. But when will the Israeli authorities start listening / having dialogue with the chareidi communities? Until now, this was the ONLY way the authorities listened. It goes both ways. ”
The Chareidim don't own Israel, so they should stop bulling everybody.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 11:49 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ok. I understand your argument and assume that you have mercy for the victims - so do I. Do you have a plan how to stop those thugs from digging out the Kivrei Tzadikim? Imagine these Kevurim arre those of the IDF or a US marine. ”
"Kivrei Tzadikim" like the graves of the philistines in Ashkelon? you must be stupid as it comes.
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Jul 10, 2010 at 11:53 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ok. I understand your argument and assume that you have mercy for the victims - so do I. Do you have a plan how to stop those thugs from digging out the Kivrei Tzadikim? Imagine these Kevurim arre those of the IDF or a US marine. ”
These were not Kivrei tzadikim...they could have been reshoim for all we know or more likely not even yiddin so there is no shayhoh that the excavations were totally ok.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 12:07 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ These were not Kivrei tzadikim...they could have been reshoim for all we know or more likely not even yiddin so there is no shayhoh that the excavations were totally ok. ”
Was there ever a time when it was jewish kevarim. Not according to the isrealis.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 12:11 AM Expatriate Owl Says:Report as Inappropriate
"Dr. E. Says: [# 13]
The title of the piece "Charedi Leadership Considering a Reduction in Protests after Accident" is quite ironic. Because if there was any real Chareidi leadership, then there never would be such protests, whose only outcomes have been Chillul Hashem and Baal Tashchis, and now obviously personal injury. "
Au Contraire!
If, in fact, the protests are stopped or significantly reduced, it would effectively be an admission that the Chareidi leadership DOES have the power to rein them in, but has heretofore chosen to not do so!
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Jul 11, 2010 at 12:28 AM chareidi Says:Report as Inappropriate
The demonstrations have nothing to do with graves. בטלה מביא לידי חטא
Since it is "ossur" to work or go to the army or to visit a ice cream store there is nothing else to do. כל תורה שאין עמה מלאכה סופה בטלה וגוררת עון and I know that we can find a nice drasha to explain that Mishna and turn it upside down.
I suggest closing off that entire area putting a fence around the מזיקים and we will send them care packages with plenty of penuts.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 12:36 AM Dovid from Modiin Says:Report as Inappropriate
#9 - Why do you insist on calling pegan bones Kivrei tzadikim.
The real Kivrei tzadikim that were moved was in on Aza. The Charadim voted to have yeshovot, shuls, 10,000 jewish strong communities destoyoed. The Charadim voted to have Kivrei tzadikim in Aza to be destroyed they refuse to stand side by side with the Dati Leumi and protect the 49 Kivrei tzadikim graves in Aza (yes some of them were IDF).
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Jul 11, 2010 at 12:38 AM Loshon Hora Says:Report as Inappropriate
Why is it an accident, this was intentional hashchosa & heizik. Who gave anyone permission to light a garbage bin, that is gezel & heizik , one is chayov al pi halacha.
They pushed it into the road, granted there may not have been aidim & hasroah, let us hope the injured get a refua sheleima, but had they killed someone, they may not have had the opertunity to run to the orei miklat. I won't outright pasken this.
I see no reason why the responsible should not stand trial, & have to pay the Hey devorim.
I also see no reason why they should not be criminally prosecuted for attempted murder. BTW no Rabonim were ever matir terorrism, or violence.
We will be seeing Kol koreihs & pidyon shevuyim signs, for those who were unable to flle the crime scene, BTW those who did flee still owe damages al pi halocha, and should own up if they have any yiras shomayim, which I guess we already know how much they may have.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 01:41 AM shlomo zalman Says:Report as Inappropriate
This "reduction in protests" is a chareidi tactical ploy to get everyone off their back since they almost murdered two people. The close call doesn't make them think for a second that it was a bad thing to do, it's just that this time they were unlucky. Witness some of the comments above that ignore the criminality of their brothers' behavior. When the storm dies down they will go back to their carefully controlled hooliganism. You can't expect more from ignorant holier than thou fools and their equally ignorant and foolish leaders.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 02:40 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Some "Gedolim". These so-called leaders are only grasping now what every Chaim & Yankel figured out months/years ago!
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Jul 11, 2010 at 02:57 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
If israeli gvmt wants quiet than don't allow the toeva parade in yerusalayim. The two guys injured in the motorcycle accident were arabs from east jerusalem.let the government close the parking lot on shabbos and stop destroying graves and quiet will resume. You want to destroy judaism than don't cry about protests.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 04:45 AM dlz Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ok. I understand your argument and assume that you have mercy for the victims - so do I. Do you have a plan how to stop those thugs from digging out the Kivrei Tzadikim? Imagine these Kevurim arre those of the IDF or a US marine. ”
Even if there is no other way to stop the grave robbers, that doesn't permit doing things which are equally forbidden (like causing a massive chillul Hashem). If there is nothing we can do, we're exempt.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 04:47 AM On scene Says:Report as Inappropriate
Both patients from the accident were Arabs
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Jul 11, 2010 at 04:50 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
you can't paint all charidim as gangsters cuz 1 bum desided to light a trash can blaming a whole tribe for the actoins of a few was hitlers job. btw some of those bums are usa bucherim who's fathers might post on v I n against them. right now
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Jul 11, 2010 at 05:22 AM Michael BarDaniel Says:Report as Inappropriate
Since when has violent demonstration become the Jewish way? Recently there are more and more parallels to the muslims. Violence, death threats, filthy neighbourhoods, beating people up and all in the name of God! Also it's strange how the majority of demonstrations are usually about Shabbos or graves. The best way to encourage someone to respect and appreciate the beauty of Shabbos is by demonstrating it's beauty, not demonstrating with violence. Secondly what is the obsession with death? Of course kvod hames is important, but more than the living? If abused children would receive a fraction of the support that (possibly Jewish) graves receive everyone would be living a happier life. In this unfortunate case the living were brought slightly closer to death by those purporting to care about human dignity.
When the path you've taken in life is starting to develop similarities with death mongers then you know something is seriously wrong. ובחרת בחיים למען תחיה
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Jul 11, 2010 at 07:20 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
These are formerly frum ShaBaK and police plants who join the demonstrations to rile everyone up. Reductions in demonstrations will indeed give this garbage less of a chance to cause problems.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 07:48 AM shimon taylor Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ok. I understand your argument and assume that you have mercy for the victims - so do I. Do you have a plan how to stop those thugs from digging out the Kivrei Tzadikim? Imagine these Kevurim arre those of the IDF or a US marine. ”
Absolutely, i agree with you 100%.
Come what may, we need to stop these thugs from digging out kivrei yisroel, even if some of them might be sofeik kivrei yisroel.
Accidents like this, however, should never happen.
However the cause is right.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 07:55 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The demonstrations have nothing to do with graves. בטלה מביא לידי חטא
Since it is "ossur" to work or go to the army or to visit a ice cream store there is nothing else to do. כל תורה שאין עמה מלאכה סופה בטלה וגוררת עון and I know that we can find a nice drasha to explain that Mishna and turn it upside down.
I suggest closing off that entire area putting a fence around the מזיקים and we will send them care packages with plenty of penuts. ”
This sounds a little hitlerish to me.
Some of them have plenty what to do, and they leave it all and go into great danger to try and protect kivrei yisroel.
Would YOU do this?
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Jul 11, 2010 at 08:28 AM yiddishe bubby Says:Report as Inappropriate
If they find it important to protest let them have an empty track of land and hold signs and walk around in a circle and yell and scream about the latest problem that is bothering them and not put anyone else in danger. Last year I spoke to people who lived in Geula and they got sick from the smoke from burning garbage and were frightened to go out and couldn't sleep at night because of all the noise.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 10:57 AM earth Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ it is high time for the authorities to take their kid gloves off,and start treating these ignorant savages like the gangsters that they are. ”
i agree with frum but normal> and its insane how long they have condoned such behavior. there is great sadness involved in what the government is doing to desecrate graves/ its awful. but since when is "jewish" to act like wild animals!
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Jul 11, 2010 at 10:01 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Finally they acting up. We all see the pictures of the protest in Jerusalem the last few years, these people behave like thugs in Harlem. Protesting peacefully vs rioting with violence or damaging property are two different things. ”
no sure what harlem has to do with this. do you think these protesters watch tv and said lets do like others did.
No, they did it all on their own like yiddish thugs
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Jul 11, 2010 at 10:02 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ok. I understand your argument and assume that you have mercy for the victims - so do I. Do you have a plan how to stop those thugs from digging out the Kivrei Tzadikim? Imagine these Kevurim arre those of the IDF or a US marine. ”
I don't understand one thing Why when Satmar wanted to build a Shikun in Sanhedria years ago and they came upon old graves they had it moved to another place and when they want to expand a hospital and move graves of ovdei avodah zarah it is ossur and you make riots and call the graves kivrei tzadikim, please explain it to me, I know the answer when it comes to lose your own money you will sell the torah down the river, only the tzioinim have to abide by the Torah
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Jul 11, 2010 at 10:04 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Finally they acting up. We all see the pictures of the protest in Jerusalem the last few years, these people behave like thugs in Harlem. Protesting peacefully vs rioting with violence or damaging property are two different things. ”
Charedi Leadership Considering a Reduction in Protests after Accident" is quite ironic
i thought the Charedi leaders said they could not control those animals, but I see they can do something if they want
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Jul 11, 2010 at 10:25 AM hear nur Says:Report as Inappropriate
I definitely agree with the cause, but I don't agree with the protests. The fact is that the Israeli government is very stubborn and it is not giving in even with all the protests, so what exactly is the point?
We cannot compare these protests to the Emmanuel protests because ALL the Chareidim protested then, peacefully and also not every day. And the main thing there was a "compromise" which let the Chareidi come out the main winners while for the Bagatz appearing like they won - which is what they really wanted.
In this case it's neverending and violent. Enough. These protests will not help any bones. What really needs to be done is to get involved in taking out ads in big Israeli papers asking the same question as a poster above, what people would say would they dig out IDF bones and that the Chareidi are out to honor all people's graves regardless of their religious affiliation and this should be of public concern as well. Also trying to engage in discusson with the Israeli gov. so that they have a chance to climb down from their high post while saving grace is most important. Going into confrontation and battle just makes one huge war with no winners.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 11:41 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Chareidim don't own Israel, so they should stop bulling everybody. ”
Israel only belongs to torah obsevant jews! All others could go to Uganda!
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Jul 11, 2010 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ it is high time for the authorities to take their kid gloves off,and start treating these ignorant savages like the gangsters that they are. ”
PLEASE,what a joke.In yaffo they are beating people for weeks,even though there was no violence.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 01:13 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ok. I understand your argument and assume that you have mercy for the victims - so do I. Do you have a plan how to stop those thugs from digging out the Kivrei Tzadikim? Imagine these Kevurim arre those of the IDF or a US marine. ”
Am I reading well?
Which Tzadikims graves are you talking about?
And since when are kevarim more important then those who are alive?
and no you don't seemingly have pity on the ones injured in that careless act of violence..
Thugs they are. And let the police handle them as such!!
Stop the nonsence. Stop the violence
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Jul 11, 2010 at 03:31 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If israeli gvmt wants quiet than don't allow the toeva parade in yerusalayim. The two guys injured in the motorcycle accident were arabs from east jerusalem.let the government close the parking lot on shabbos and stop destroying graves and quiet will resume. You want to destroy judaism than don't cry about protests. ”
i am definitely not an arab sympathizer, but in this case it doesnt matter who the injusred were. they could have been greek, russian, amreican, or any other nationality, and it still would not matter. the point would still be that people who have nothing to do with these violent protests are getting hurt, and that is not acceptable.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 04:47 PM why do u hate yiden? Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This is insane. What happens, G-d forbid, if someone dies next time? Even if a thug wears a black hat, he's still a thug! ”
When HaKudesh R' Yidel Samet Z"l was murdered by the Israeli Mishtara none of you spoke like you do now...
You are all a bunch of ANTISEMITS!!!
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Jul 11, 2010 at 05:55 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
motorcycle accident were arabs and to others who make such comments. with attitudes like that do not be surprised if people hate us despise us and do not care when we are abused since that is your attitude about them. You are a hater blame and simple you just think it is ok since you are doing the hate.
when will you learn that simple logic
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Jul 11, 2010 at 05:58 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Israel only belongs to torah obsevant jews! All others could go to Uganda! ”
what the the uttra fum do to deserve it, do they join the army, no. you do not deserve even one inch of the land if you are not willing to fight for it. You want the secular to fight get killed and injured but not reap the benefit what planet where you born in
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Jul 11, 2010 at 06:30 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I don't understand one thing Why when Satmar wanted to build a Shikun in Sanhedria years ago and they came upon old graves they had it moved to another place and when they want to expand a hospital and move graves of ovdei avodah zarah it is ossur and you make riots and call the graves kivrei tzadikim, please explain it to me, I know the answer when it comes to lose your own money you will sell the torah down the river, only the tzioinim have to abide by the Torah ”
how do you know this and do you have a link to the story
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Jul 11, 2010 at 06:49 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ how do you know this and do you have a link to the story ”
why is it ok to move bones from another country to Israel if moving bones is such a big deal?
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Jul 12, 2010 at 12:02 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
If israeli gvmt wants quiet than don't allow the toeva parade in yerusalayim. The two guys injured in the motorcycle accident were arabs from east jerusalem.let the government close the parking lot on shabbos and stop destroying graves and quiet will resume. You want to destroy judaism than don't cry about protests
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Jul 12, 2010 at 01:17 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Ok. I understand your argument and assume that you have mercy for the victims - so do I. Do you have a plan how to stop those thugs from digging out the Kivrei Tzadikim? Imagine these Kevurim arre those of the IDF or a US marine. ”
Apparently you are not a Yid and a descendant of a pagan, as those are the people that are burried in those graves.
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Jul 12, 2010 at 01:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If israeli gvmt wants quiet than don't allow the toeva parade in yerusalayim. The two guys injured in the motorcycle accident were arabs from east jerusalem.let the government close the parking lot on shabbos and stop destroying graves and quiet will resume. You want to destroy judaism than don't cry about protests ”
Why don't you find an island somewhere and move to it. You don't belong in the real world.